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partner ali velshi. coming up right now, more news with hallie jackson. stacey abrams, that will be great. >> the georgia democrat is making big news here as we welcome you to washington. she's still thinking about her own political path she fights to make sure every person in her state counts. we'll explain that later this hour in a conversation you will not want to miss. plus look at the inside scoop from joe biden's 2020 team and why they may reportedly be plotting a, quote, early kill. but we start at the white house, working to rally republicans around a new immigration push that does little to get democrats to the table. the president today will explain details of that plan to make sweeping changes to the country's legal i'm grace system. we'll preview what's in it in a minute. here is what is not in it, anything related to the 11 million undocumented people living here and anything related to the daca recipients known as
dreamers. >> my message to donald trump is that we dreamers are going to keep fighting to have a reform and we are not going to give up until there's something out there on the table for us. >> our team is here with this story and the many, many others we're bringing you. i want to start with hans nichols at the white house and mariana el tense i don't down along the border. hans, our teams for the past 36 hours have been reporting out details on what's in this plan put together by senior administration officials. talk us through it. >> what we have is an attempt to tryi try to change the conversation. the white house wants to focus on how they'll rewrite the rules for legal immigration. there's rhetoric on illegal immigration, money for the wall. they say they're not going to do the entire wall, just 33 sections. the meat of this is how to change legal immigration. they wanted to make it less family-based and more
merit-based. they want a points system so you bring more high skilled immigrant workers into the country. there's a sive vicks test, an english language test. fundamentally there's attempt to change the conversation at the mouse to talk about how they can be pro immigration at least on the high skilled part. a lot this plan doesn't do. it doesn't make much of a nod to the political reality. that is you'll need to get democrats, even republicans on board. in some ways it's a test on whether or not the president can continue to shape the republican party in his own mold or whether or not they'll fall into line on immigration as well. hallie. >> the press secretary think had a chance to talk to reporters about the idea this doesn't include anything related to dreamers, right? >> reporter: so she was pressed on this earlier. she came out and talked to fox news and did her driveway gaggle with reporters and she was asked on whether or not this would include daca. this was her response. >> every single time that we have put forward or anyone else
has put forward any type of immigration plan that's included daca, it's failed. this plan is focused on a different part of fixing the immigration system. >> so it's a piecemeal plan. this is not the whole comprehensive immigration reform that the president in the past has hinted about. >> mariana, what are you hearing about this from folks along the border? >> reporter: hallie, so this was the hot button issue two years ago that lawmakers from both sides of the aisle rallied around, dreamers. now, not even mentioned in this plan and dreamers here already reacting. spoi ek to one this morning who tells me she feels forgotten, not only by this administration, but by lawmakers on capitol hill. i'm so sorry, hallie. i thought we had sound from that dreamer. she told me, as i mentioned, that she feels forgotten because there are issues like asylum seekers that are plaguing el
paso now that have shifted the conversation that way. i also spoke to the mayor of el paso just now who tells me for him this proposal from the white house is a start because it addresses, for example, improvements in scanning here at the ports of entry where we've seen the big bottlenecks, but he says it does not address the humanitarian issues that are plaguing his city where you see a thousand migrants dropped off on the streets of el pass is a every single day. it is the city and it is taxpayers who have had to pick up the slack. hallie. >> mariana and hans, thank you very much. we have other big news this morning because it appears -- it appears that the 2020 field is set, at least for now, with new york city mayor bill deblasio becoming by our count the 20th and maybe last major democratic candidate running for president. >> right now the federal government is not on the side of working people. that's because donald trump is playing a big con on america.
i call him con don. i believe i'll be able to show the kinds of things we have done here are what's needed all over this country. >> deblasio is kicking off his campaign with stops in iowa and south carolina this week. even though he's not what anyone would call popular back home in new york, the mayor is pointing to his liberal record in the nation's biggest city. >> we built an agenda that puts working families first. >> donald trump must be stopped. i've beaten him before and i will do it again. >> reporter: nbc's savannah sellers is in new york city talking with voters. onset democratic strategist jamal mim sons. savannah, what are you hearing? >> reporter: so new yorkers are notoriously tough. this was no exception. it shouldn't be such a surprise. last month according to a quinnipiac poll, 76% of new yorkers said that deblasio should not run for president and every party, age, gender, racial and borough group listed agreed
on that. we talked to about a dozen new yorkers heading for the subway. some said they wished him the best of luck, but for the most part, they were pretty tough. take a listen. >> what do you think about mayor deblasio announcing he's running for president? >> i don't know. i feel like he has a lot to do in new york city first. >> i'm not encouraged by what he's done in this city. >> i think he would have announced on the first of april. >> why is that? >> it would have been a good april fools' day joke. >> reporter: hallie, one person heard me asked the question and had not heard the announcement yet and shouted, is that a joke. for the most part, pretty tough. it's been a big morning asking new yorkers what they think. >> jamal, let me ask you this, maybe one reason new yorkers are not happy is because of this moment from a debate back in 2017. watch. >> there's talk already that you
may be considering a run for president in 2020. will you rule that out? you're shaking your head no. >> i'm running for one thing and one thing only, for re-election as mayor of new york city. >> things change. you have "new york times" asking who is running new york city, talking about the ethics cloud, deblasio for president, nah. >> here is the thing about deblasio which we have to keep in mind. manhattan is not his dojo. >> as savannah sellers just learned. >> in the outer suburbs he's more popular, when you get out into brooklyn and the bronx, where a lot of new yorkers live. the question is do they want him to run for president. people can like you as a congressman or mayor and not want you to be president of the united states. >> deblasio's team is pointing to his progressive record, his stance on some of these issues. let's talk about that. $15 minimum wage. he implemented universal pre-k,
proposed universal health care including for undocumented immigrants, big at the forefront of climate, reduced arrest and incarceration for low level offenses and reduced the stop and frisk. >> here is the other problem new yorkers will tell you is his problem, a lot of the national media came out of new york city. you've got a bunch of people who have known deblasio for a long time. unlike other candidates, he won't get that honeymoon period where people say, oh, who is this person, let's figure it out. they've known bill deblasio for a long time. he's going to face a much tougher media environment than a lot of the other candidates. >> it seems he's making an appeal to black voters. we talked about policy positions, universal pre-k making him very popular with the african-american community in new york. stopping in south carolina, his family is interracial. >> it will probably help him
versus someone like mayor pete buttigieg. we saw a poll last week he was at zero percent with african-americans in south carolina. i think we all have to enjoy this moment of the summer of love, right? everybody is going to get in, going to have a good time. you go to the clyburn fish fry. at some point as the weather kols off and we get closer to halloween, i think this is going to cool off a lot of minor candidacies and we'll have a real sense of who is going to be the real candidate. >> check out jamal's piece on "the hill." also happening on the 2020 campaign trail within the next hour, kirsten gillibrand is hosting a roundtable with women in atlanta talking about the wave of abortion bans. it's an issue as you know is quickly moving the the center of the 2020 campaign on both sides of the aisle with the democrats running for president coming out hot against alabama's near total abortion ban signed into law
overnight. >> it is wrong and it is unconstitutional. >> this is outrageous. this is an assault on human rights. >> this is an all-out assault, all-out attack by the republican party. >> it's wrong and we will fight back. >> it's absolutely, absolutely disgusting. >> shaquille brewster is? atlanta. here with me, msnbc contributor betsy woodruff from "the daily beast," aaron blake, senior political reporter from "the washington post." shaq, another friend to the show, let's start with you. what's the expectation in kerstirsten gillibrand today? >> i'm told that gillibrand will roll out more specific proposals in her so-called reproductive rights agenda. she's been trying to make this a centerpiece issue in her campaign, especially in light of those recent and high profile restrictive abortion laws going across the country, seven so far enacted just this year alone. here in georgia, that's also included, where they had their fetal heartbeat bill which
effectively bans abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. today gillibrand is trying to turn that energy and that legitimate outrage we hear from democratic voters all the time and turn that into energy for her campaign. she's going to be meeting with lawmakers, doctors and patients, talking not only her operation to georgia's law, but also highlighting her plej to only appoint justices and judges who would commit to up holding roe versus wade which goes further than a lot of the other candidates in the field so far, in terms of the expressed commitment. hallie, this is an issue that has galvanized a lot of democrats. i hear it all the time on the road. you hear it in the tweets, the statements, but also with bernie sanders, he promised to use his email list to help fundraise for abortion providers in alabama. it's a big issue on the campaign trail. candidates know voters are paying attention. >> shaquille brewster, thank you. betsy and aaron, you have republicans meanwhile, haven't
been coming out as loudly as one might expect. you had martha mcsally saying that's a state issue, i'm focused on work here. tom tillis made similar comments as well to the post. what do you think that's about? >> when you see televang lift -- >> other bills would have more success getting to the supreme court versus this one. >> which is really what this is all about. all these bills or the vast majority are clearly at odds with roe v. wade. these are attempts not knowsly to get this enacted in alabama but get this to the supreme court and get this 5-4 conservative majority to overturn roe v. wade. no guarantee that's going to happen. the difference here is while republicans have been much more incremental about this before, that goes further than they have in the past f. you look at polling on the previous reforms like the 20-week abortion ban that the house passed in 2013,
that was supported by 60% of americans even when they were told that roe v. wade had an effective 24-week window. when you go big like this, pass a bill that has no exceptions for rape and insist, you're inviting this to be a national issue, inviting democrats to have a winning issue. >> gap lol polling says 79% believe abortion should be legal under certain circumstances. only 18% believe it should be illegal in every circumstance. >> that's why one of the biggest slow motion stories has been a move to confirm federal judges. this legislation in alabama is about tactics as aaron laid out clearly. the ability that trump has had to get so many conservative judges confirmed all over the country, both at the district level and in these powerful appellate positions as well as two supreme court justices, that is probably going to be the most enduring part of trump's legacy. it's so important right now and
some of the most important decisions about matters such as this incredibly divisive issue will be made not by legislators or people directly elected but by the judiciary. >> betsy and aaron, stick around. i want to have you close at hand. today three democratic presidential candidates are joining us here on msnbc. you've got senator kirsten gillibrand, senator cory booker and congressman eric swalwell. all of that kicking off today at 4:00 eastern. we want to share news into us, the carters, both of them are now out of the hospital. jimmy carter and his wife are back at home. the former president was released after successful surgery to fix a broken hip. his wife was admitted overnight after feeling faint but she also left the hospital with her husband this morning. good news to share with you today. coming up, new warnings from lawmakers and allies as tensions really escalate in the middle
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the registration to sound the alarm louder about iran. "the new york times" is reporting u.s. intelligence picked up photographs of missiles placed on small boats by iranian paramilitary forces in the persian gulf. senior state department officials tell nbc news there's an eminent threat from iranian forces based on increased intelligence received within the last week, one saying this threat stream, let me tell you, is real. sky news is also reporting this morning the u.k. has raised the threat hefl for personnel in iraq after the u.s. evacuated some personnel about 36 hours ago. the backdrop to it all, the president frustrated with some of his top advisers who he feels are rushing the u.s. into a military confrontation with iran. that's according to "the washington post." next hour president trump meets with the president of switzerland at the white house to talk about what the administration describes as the swiss role in facilitating diplomatic relations or maybe to act as a back channel conduit between the u.s. and iran. to talk about all this, i want to bring in senator chris
murphy, democrat from connecticut and member of the senate foreign relations committee. senator, thanks for coming back on the show. >> thanks for having me. >> sources say the gang of eight congressional leadership will be briefed later today, at 3:00 i believe. has a similar briefing been offered to your committee? >> we have had no offer of briefing the foreign relations committee. i think at this point it's appropriate for them to brief the entirety of the senate if indeed threes reports are true, that there are imminent threats on u.s. forces that have led us to extreme decision making, moving half our personnel out of the embassy in dag bad. that briefing has not been offered. i've seen some of the intelligence here. >> have you seen any of the intelligence here related to this increased threat? >> i've been briefed on part of the intelligence, but only because i've sought it out. there has been no briefing offered to the entirety of the senate. that's absolutely inexcusable given the fact that they're
clearly leaking this to newspapers and begging for the media to report on it. >> "the times" is reporting there's a debate over how on small boats in the persian gulf, whether it's offensive or defensive. what's your read on that? >> everybody working in the white house should read a book by barbara tuchman called "the guns of august." it's about how miscalculations in the leadup to world war i set up a cataclysmic battle across europe. the idea is the iranians may be building up because they fear imminent attack from the united states. a mistake could be made if you have no means to talk to each other. that is one of the problems that the trump administration has to deal with. back during the obama administration we were talking to the iranians. when the iranians boarded an american vessel and there was potential for that to spiral out of control, john kerry got on
the phone to the foreign minister of iran and deescalated. we can't do that because although the trump administration talks to the north koreans, they refuse to talk to the iranians which puts us in an untenable position. >> is it helpful that the swiss are coming the the white house perhaps to meade yaet between the u.s. and iran? >> i'm not sure why we need a mediator. we're all adults. why can't we reach out directly either through transparent channels or back channels and try to talk to the iranians about deescalating and deconflicting. if the swiss want to step in and help, fine, but we should be able to do it ourselves. frankly, the fact that we've walked away from the iran nuclear agreement, we've pushed the europeans away from us towards the iranians makes them less willing than they ever have been before to be a broker. we have put ourselves in a position where we have less ways out than we used to. >> let me get your reaction to some reporting out from t"the
washington post" that, quote, president trump grew angry last week and over the weekend about what he sees as war-like planning getting ahead of his own thinking. this is according to a senior administration officials who knows about conversations the president has had with mike bolton and mike pompeo. do you believe president trump in this instance will make the right decisions? >> give me a break, that the president is trying to push this off on his advisers. the president was told by his military leaders that he shouldn't pull out of the iran agreement, that he should not designate the iranian revolutionary guard as a terrorist group because it would cause tensions to be increased to the point that american troops might get attacked and we might get into a conflict. he ignored the military advice he was given over and over and over again and sided deliberately with john bolton. so i just -- you can cry me a river that the president is blaming this on others.
he has made decisions, he has made decisions that has led us to this point where we perhaps are on on the precipice of a conflict. i do agree that the president probably has an instinct against entering wars in the middle east. but he has made decisions himself that has made that more likely. >> senator chris murphy, i appreciate your time and we'll look to see anything else out of this briefing later this afternoon that we might be able to hear from the gang of eight. >> thanks. rejected again. the white house dismisses another request by house democrats accusing them of a russia investigation do-over. what this latest resistance means and new reaction from jerry nadler next.
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in just about 20 minutes from now, we're set to hear from house speaker nancy pelosi at the podium on the left of your screen, one day after the attorney general kind of seemed to jokingly maybe dare her to arrest him. at an event at the capitol hill william barr ran into spoker pelosi with someone saying to her jokingly, madam speaker, did you bring your happened cuffs?
that happened as the house judiciary chairman was blasting the white house saying their claim that these house investigations are a do-over of the russia investigation was, quote, pre pos sper rouse. kasie hunt is on the hill. also joyce vance. kas kasie, you had a chance to catch up with jerry nadler. >> jerry nadler did speak with our colleague alex. i think the way he framed this conversation should underscore the way all of this is escalating between house democrats and the white house. quite frankly, after the initial barr summary letter, the chatter about impeachment got pretty quiet and democrats were making clear to us they didn't necessarily think it was going to be worth the political price. the speaker, nancy pelosi, has continued to be careful in how she's talked about it. she recently said she thinks the president is trying to goad them into holding impeachment hearings. the reality is they don't have that many tools left to try to
force the white house to comply here. jerry nadler, who has similarly been careful in how he's chosen his words around impeachment seemed to take a step forward on this today. take a look. >> the president's posture now is making it impossible to rule out impeachment or anything else. the letter we got from the white house yesterday is beyond outrageous. >> reporter: he, of course, was talking about the long letter from white house counsel that outlined why it was that they weren't going to give democrats anything that they wanted, clearly ratcheting up the tension here, hallie. >> joyce, we've talked about this idea that the white house has been pushing back and, in fact, reporters were briefed by senior administration official about how they say, oh, this is a redo of the russia investigation. is there a fair argument? is that a legit argument on the part of the white house in your
view? >> let me summarize this lengthy letter. >> 12 pages. >> what the 12-page letter says is the president is above the law and we're not going to play law. >> the senior administration officials was specifically asked is the president above the law. it says he's not above the law, not below the law either. does that make sense? >> it makes no sense. here is why. congress has a separate job than doj. doj only looks at criminal investigations. bob mueller concluded i don't have the authority to indict a sitting president. i can't clear him. here, congress, let me give you my package of information. now the white house says congress, you can't do your job. that's not how our system works. >> seems to be raising the stakes, escalating the impeachment talk with jerry nadler saying that it's impossible to rule out impeachment. >> you can go fast alone or far together. i think on the hill democrats are trying to slowly build consensus hoping, as with
watergate, republicans will ultimately come around but recognizing that may be, in fact, a painfully slow sort of a process. >> nbc news, our colleagues on the hill, alex mo. senchts and kasie hunt have said 14 of them, you can see it here, is it a tenable position for the white house to say they're not going to cooperate with the investigations? >> only if they can get away with it. it's like a parent with small children. if you draw a line in the sand, you have to mean it. it's time for democrats on the hill to mean it or the white house will continue to get away with it. >> what's the end game here? what's the end result? >> i think the end result is to put information in front of the american public so they can make a decision. whether that's proceedings on the hill or an election in 2020 remains to be seen. the reality is right now there are a lot two versions of reality in america. there's no longer a common set of facts that we work off of. that's democrats' job to restore
common facts and we can debate what the facts mean but the facts themselves won't be in question. >> from a legal perspective, is there any legitimacy, that democrats are overstepping, this isn't for legitimate legislative purposes, that they're doing this in some instances for partisan ways? >> it's hypocritical for anyone who sat through the benghazi investigation. the republicans are wrong here. congress has this job, an oversight job, a looking into presidential conduct job. they cannot do it if the white house stonewalls them and it's obstructive conduct. >> joyce, we appreciate you and your perspective and seeing you in person. joyce vance, kasie hunt, thanks to the both of you. stacey abrams is on a mission to make sure no one is left off the um cogging census. we'll talk to her about the abortion bill and see if she has anything she wants to share about 2020. lasses?
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initiative. we have stacey abrams as well as the other leaders of the fair count initiative. i want you to talk to us a little bit about this. this is about making sure communities aren't skipped in the census count. why are they being skipped in the first place? >> the way the census works, we're asked as americans to tell the government where we are and who we are. unfortunately the process means we're trying to count 300 million people over the course of a few months. communities that are hard to reach because of poverty, because of segregation, because of just the community structure, those people are left out of the count which means they're left out of resources, left out of the politics and erased from the narrative of who we are as americans. my responsibility as a citizen and the joint responsibility i have as a former elected leader is to make sure this time the count is accurate, especially here in the state of georgia. >> rebecca, you were the former executive director of the democratic party.
you know the unique challenges of this state. what are you doing to come at this at a different angle? >> i've had the opportunity to work in all 159 counties before. 88 of these counties are classified as hard-to-count counties in georgia. we're taking three different approaches. one, good, old-fashioned classic organizin organizing, putting boots on the ground, working with leaders and getting to communities where they are. two, we're taking a faith-based approach, working with faith leaders which is often the strongest bond, particularly in these rural communities and populations and making sure that our faith leaders are making sure their con gagss are counted. three, we're looking at the technological challenges. for the first time the census will be online. we're doing some technology coordinating to find out where in georgia is there no internet, where do we not have cell phone coverage? what can we do as fair count to bring those resources and tools to those communities so they can thrive. >> if you look at this even from
a person-to-person concept when it comes to counting the census, how do you build trust? there's a little trust factor here in this? >> definitely. building trust is one of our main objectives. we're working with community leaders, community organizers, community -- with the faith leaders across the state to really build a coalition of people that can -- that live in these communities and work in these communities and really understand the issues, the factors that are causing some of these trust issues. we' we're going to work with them to make sure they we educate everyone across georgia to understand the importance of the census and why they need to participate. >> it's about resources, but also politics. one thing out of your race was making sure every vote was counted. when you look at it, is anyone doing a good job of shining a light on that issue? >> they are. one of the reasons we're talking about the census, while we're
electing the new leader of the country in 2020, we have to be counting every person. we can't allow a single person in the united states to be left out of the narrative. the other piece of this is that we have to start now, just as we zoo so many candidates getting into the race now, we have to start plans for the census now. we know the united states routinely undercounts communities that are immigrant communities, rule community, low income communities and people of color. those are the fastest growing parts of our population. it's critical we have boots on the ground today and we have the process in place that we cannot only organize in georgia but share across the country. that's really the mission. i hope we can get more of our candidates to talk not only about voter suppression, but about the importance of the census as well. >> given that you're a leader in this conversation and many others in the national conversation across the country, why aren't you one of the names in the president race? >> well, i'm still giving thought to what i'm going to do next. what i know has to be done now is getting a fair count started
in the state of georgia. we missed out on millions in resources for underrepresented communities. we also no that reapportionment which happens in 2021, if determination of our political lines, that will be determined by the count. we can't erase any community from the nair ti, especially here in georgia. >> hallie, i know you have questions for leader abrams as well. take it away. >> thanks, it's hallie jackson here. i appreciate you joining us. another issue related to the abortion ban, but first let me followup on the question, are you prepared to shut the door on a presidential run right now? >> no, i'm not. again, as i've said before, i'm watching to see what happens. i think we have a robust crop of candidates and i think they're having important conversations, but my mission is to make certain that we are keeping that attention focused all the way through the campaign. so i'm going to keep watching and decide if i need to jump in. >> you said before you've been willing to wait until september. is that the operative timeline?
>> i think the debates are an important part of this process, but the debates are new. i believe i can enter the conversation as late as the fall and still have a real chance to win. >> so this talk that continues, and i know you've spoken about it before, about you being a potential vice presidential candidate. beto o'rourke is the most recent one to float your name. has anybody reached out to you about that? >> no one has reached out to me. as i've said before, right now we should be focused on the presidential nominees. if i decide to join the fray, i look forward to being a robust competitor. after that, if i'm not that person for one reason or another, i'm open to the conversation. we need to have our conversations in sequential order, not at the same time. >> you're going to wait until the fall, maybe september to make a decision on the presidential piece. what about the senate race? there's a lot of talk about your
name potentially being involved there. >> i'm going to help make certain a democratic senator is elected in the state of georgia, but i do not believe you run for office simply because the office is there, even one as crucial as the u.s. senate. that's not my calling. the challenge for all of us is when people do something they don't want to do or they're not committed to doing all the way, it's the people who suffer. so while i'm deeply gratified by the enthusiasm of having me as a candidate, i believe a democrat can win whether their name is stacey abrams or not. >> let me ask you about another big issue, not just the 2020 race but nationally, and this wave of states passing abortion bans, if you will. georgia, of course, the heartbeat bill recently passed. there's now tv and movie productions, big hood studios considering boycotting over this. i want to get your response to that. what is your message to those studios? do you think the economic impact would be enough to convince lawmakers in your state to
change their minds? >> as i said yesterday, i support the idea of economic boycotts. they have been incredibly instrument in transforming the south. however, in this instance we have leaders who do not care. they legitimately have rejected the idea that it matters if we lose the dollars here because they know they can make money in other ways. but more importantly, they know they can demonize hood, take the resources and not accept the responsibility of protecting the women in the state of georgia. while i support those who want to live their values by not bringing their resources here, i do not want to harm the citizens of georgia who are doing this work. instead, we're calling on folks to invest in the work on the ground. invest in groups like fair fight action, the aclu, invest in the reproductive choice organizations that are doing the work of providing access. we can win this fight long term by changing the structure of power and that means making sure people who pass this law are out
of office in 2020. >> i was going to ask you, if your contention is that money talks, and if that's not going to send a message with these economic boycotts in your view, how does political pressure actually bring about change? is the goal then to start all over, wipe out as many of these lawmakers as you can and try to start fresh? it seems like that's an uphill path. >> broth of these are uphill battles. you have to think about which is most likely to succeed. the bill that passed in georgia won't take effect until january 2020. we know there will be elections in november of 2020. georgia's house of representatives is 15 votes away from being majority democratic. we have congressional races where we have the likelihood of picking up a couple of states and redistricting happens in 2021. if there's investment made on the ground in the organizations building political power and also fighting in the courts, we have the absolutely ability to take the house and change the trajectory of the state of georgia. my mission is to make sure we're doing the work on the ground.
again, i do not disparage anyone who thinks an economic boycott makes sense, but what i know from my work on the ground in georgia, we need investment now for the fight today, and that fight has to be electing people who will represent the values of georgia. >> stacey abrams, covered a lot of ground with us. thanks to all of you for joining us. much appreciated. coming up after the break on this show, is there a beef brewing between kamala harris and joe biden? how the california lawmaker is clapping back at the idea of her being on his ticket. being on hi. introducing the all-new 2019 ford ranger, it's the right gear. with a terrain management system for... this. a bash plate for... that. an electronic locking rear differential for... yeah... this. heading to the supermarket? get any truck. heading out here? get the ford ranger. the only adventure gear built ford tough.
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new this morning from the white house, president trump pardoned expedia mogul conrad black, convicted of fraud in 2007 and deported to canada after his release. the white house describing black as an entrepreneur and a scholar and statement. he also wrote a flattering biography of the president called "donald j. trump," a ppt like no other. someone hoping to go up against president trump in the 2020 race, joe biden reportedly going in for an early kill, according to a headline from axios which says, quote, joe biden is trying to snuff out his democratic
competitors before the race really gets going. he's running like it's a general election, cresting the ora of inevitability to stair down donald trump. also bringing up the question of a potential biden-harris ticket. >> if people want to speculate about running mates, i encourage that because i think joe biden would be a great running mate as president. he's proven he knows how to do the job. >> hmm, let's bring in kate bedingfield, biden 2020 campaign manager. thanks for being back with the show. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to get your reaction. political reports are there are some inside her team who see these questions as sexist and demeaning. >> most importantly, you haven't heard that floated from joe biden or anybody on our campaign. we are focused on having the vice president out connecting with voters. i think you've seen that in the first few weeks of the campaign. we've been in all four early states, in pennsylvania. he's making the case about why
he's running. he believes we're in the battle for the soul of this nation. and we have to unify country. we're focused on having joe biden out talking to voters. >> he doesn't want kamala harris as his running mate? >> he's not focused on who a potential running mate would be. he's talking to voteers and making the case for why he would be the best president and why we need a change for the failed moral leadership we have. >> i'll ask you the question that every presidential candidate will ask, would he be willing to serve as vice president. >> we won't get into that. that's a long time down the road. >> new york city may bill deblasio, do you think he's been a good mayor, should he resign to run r for president. >> i'm only talking about joe biden. the more candidates who want to get in, the better. >> let's talk about what joe biden is doing, specifically on policy as it relates to others in the race, like elizabeth
warren. slate points out warren earned her wonk representation, no one else can come close to the depth or breath breadth of her policy portfolio. she's put out ultra millionaire tax, making sure big companies like amazon pay taxes. it seems like joe biden has been lagging on the policy front. is that expected to change any time soon? how do you compete with somebody like elizabeth warren? >> on saturday, you'll see the informal book end for our launch period of the campaign. he'll be in philly. he's going to be speaking about the need to bring the country together, to unify that we can do -- there's so much in the country we can do if we can guest past the broken government we currently have that isn't working. we need a change in that government. he'll do that in the birthplace of america, philadelphia, where our campaign headquarters will be located as well. i think you'll hear a really powerful message from him about what we as a country need to do to overcome this period of almost unprecedented division that we're in right now.
>> other candidates have been criticized for talking in that same vein about broad strokes, without getting into the nitty-gritty specifics. does he think he's inall neshl? >> his entire career he's been an advocate on aggressive causes. you'll be hearing from him on policy. >> but timeline? >> the first few weeks of the campaign have been about him letting noters know why he's running, so voters have a clear sense of why he's running and how it's about a change from the lack of moral leadership we're seeing in this white house. >> so something maybe before the first debate? is that what you're see? >> you'll see after saturday. we'll certainly turn to policy in this campaign. >> i caught your eye talking about this morning's reporting from axios, that vice president biden is going for an early kill of his democratic opponents, running like it's a general election. is that the plan? is he? >> our strategy is to let voters
hear from joe biden, make him make the case for rebuilding the backbone of the country, ensuring that the next time we build the middle class, everybody gets to come along, an inclusive vision for what government can be and getting past this moment where government is broken and is not working for people. so our strategy is for -- to let voters hear directly from him about that. >> democratic strategist jamal simmons was on the show talking about how this will be the summer of love, all the democrats playing nice. at some point that has to change, right? >> we'll see. biden will be focused on his message and on donald trump. at the end of the day there are policy differences amongst the candidates. as a party we're unified in a belief that donald trump has to go. i think vice president biden is perhaps maybe the strongest contrast in terms of character and values and representing a different kind of leadership than we currently have. i think that's what democratic voters are looking for.
>> kate bedingfield choosing wa close proximity. >> programming note, tonight chris matthews hosts a special live event with voters talking about issues affecting american workers and what's at stake in the 2020 president election. that's hardball, the deciders, tonight 7:00 eastern right here on msnbc. time to get a look at what our sources are saying. betsy woodruff and aaron blake are back. aaron, looking at 2020 through a bit of a different lens? >> there's also these things called senate races. >> interesting. >> there happen to be a lot of democratic president candidates who a lot of people think would look great in those senate races. a growing and palpable concern about the lack of recruitment. democrats have a tough map this year as they did last year. they only have a handful of
recruits in those states. >> who do you have your eye on? >> obviously steve bullock got in the presidential race a few days ago. we have a few in texas that democrats would like to see in the senate races. there's some sense if the president campaigns don't progress and actually catch on, there may be a way to revisit this later on. >> still an uphill battle. >> yes. it's about setting it up for 20232 when there's a good chance of winning back the senate. >> betsy. >> the house intelligence committee was supposed to get a briefing yesterday morning about the iran situation to get insight from someone from an intelligence agency about what exactly is happening and why the messages are so mixed. that briefing was canceled almost at the last minute. the explanation that they gave to the committee for the cancellation was that the situation was fluid.
the rejoiner, of course, is that fluid situations are the reasons why you might want a briefs in the first place. the tensions and complicated nature of the relationship between congress that's trying to eefr see this situation and the intelligence kmoout community is trying to manage a very complicated moment in the gulf, is something we're keeping a close eye on. >> we talked with senator chris murphy about this. there is going to be a briefing later this afternoon for the gang of eight. do you think that will alleviate any of those concerns? >> it won't because the gang of eight is so small, only eight members. there are a lot of other members who want better visibility into this. house armed services got a briefing yesterday morning from a different intelligence agency, but just the number of members who haven't had access to this, including members who regularly view classified materials, a lot of frustration. >> always great to have you both on the show. that's it for this hour of msnbc live. i'm headed over to the white house where i'll see you for the rose garden speech by president trump. tonight chris jansing, you've got a lot to get to.
>> not as much as you in the next couple hours. good morning everyone. i'm chris jansing here at msnbc headquarters in new york. craig melvin is on assignment. right now democrats are using new state abortion laws to warn women across the country your state could be next. case in point, any minute now, one key contender who hold an entire event in the heart of the south to talk abortion. the big question is, for the first time, will this issue motivate democrats to vote. just an hour ago, another 2020 candidate, governor jay insly tackled another hot campaign debate, unveiling a clean energy plan he promises will create millions of jobs. he'll join me live to explain how he intends to pull it all off. president trump will welcome the swiss president to the white house. very busy day for the administration. we're following breaking news. the president's plan to completely upend our immigration system as we know