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>> that wraps us up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. you can catch my good news ruhle on instagram and twitter. chris jansing right here in new york. >> i'm chris jansing in for hallie jackson this morning. the president is leaving new york on his way back to washington, but not before prodding democrats on his top issue of the day, immigration. we'll get to what he's saying in just a minute and why it's really more about politics than policy. all of it coming just months after a bruising government shutdown over funding for a border barrier. and the president declaring a national emergency. remember that? well, today that national emergency declaration faces its first test in federal court. our team is here with that story and all the others we're going to bring you this hour. i want to start with hans
nickehols at the white house an pete williams with what to expect in court today. hans, i guess the white house couldn't even get mitch mcconnell to endorse the plan. i guess any suggestion that this was aimed at bringing the two sides together went away quickly when he bashed democrats yesterday when he was announcing it. but even if this is just about 2020 messaging. why roll out something that doesn't even have unvarnished support from his own party's leaders? >> well, chris, the white house want a place holder and all do this a north star on policy, somewhere they wantteresting ab not an attempt to bring republicans on board. the president put out his immigration policy and you guys didn't really cover it and gives them an opportunity to come back at us and the press. also very interesting to see just how much presidential rhetoric gets defended, gets spent on defending this plan
versus talking about what he likes to talk about, which is building the wall. and already this morning, we're seeing where the president's focus is. his rhetoric and his tweet are focused on the wall. i'll read you just a few of them. we need democrats votes and please don't make yourselves too comfortable. you'll be leaving soon. will the democrats give our country a badly needed immigration win before the election? good chance. when you listen to the president talk where he's very animated and talking in front of his crowds it almost goes back to building that barrier wall. we'll see the kind of legal immigrants he wants because up to this point, he talks about the immigrants he doesn't want and not the ones he does. chris? >> important point there. politics aside. we're hearing a lot of reaction to this plan. it came out almost immediately. major changes in immigration. i wonder what folks there on the border are telling you. >> chris, every time the white house rolls out a new
immigration proposal, it generates heated debate in border cities like el paso. and people here from both sides of the aisle agree that this plan doesn't do enough to address the surging number of migrants in their streets. but, for different reasons. those folks who are supportive of the president argue that it doesn't do enough to address the resources that the city is having to put up to address the families that are coming over. and they actually think this plan is a start and welcome the merit-based system. they say we should know who is coming and what they can contribute and they welcome the idea of having engineers and nurses be fast tracked. on the other hand, the folks that are not supportive of the president, they say that what they have here in el paso is a humanitarian crisis. that there is nothing in this bill to aid the families that are coming over. and in addition, they think a merit-based system is simply
unfair. let's listen to one of them. >> the new proposal that the white house put out, i feel, has a lack of compassion for just people in general. i feel like it shouldn't be based on merit. it should be based on just like giving people a chance. everyone should be given a fair chance for a greater life. >> finally, what i thought was most interesting was that people from both sides were sympathetic to dreamers. many here argue that these are some of the most educated, hard-working and prepared young people in our communities. so, the president is talking about a merit-based system. isn't that what daca is and should these young people not be included in that kind of a plan? chris? >> without dreamers, we know it's -- the previous policy is coming back to haunt him. that emergency declaration that i mentioned at the top. even the president predicted it would end up at the supreme court. what is going on today?
>> this is the first of the hearings on the border wall toic atually get to court. this is a lawsuit filed by the sierra club and some communities in the southern part of the u.s. and they're claiming that the president didn't have the authority to use this emergency declaration to get the $6 billion that the pentagon has come up with to build an almost 300 more miles of wall, according to the pentagon, with perhaps 60 or so of them, 65 or so of them by the end of the year. the lawsuit says that the president's emergency declaration only allowed the pentagon to spend money on military construction projects that were important to support the military. and they say there's no military emergency at the border, so that's improper. secondly, they say the president can't spend money beyond what congress has appropriated and ko congress has already started down this road because they did
agree after the government shutdown to spend $1.375 billion to start border wall construction. the administration says the door was already opened by congress. the administration is simply walking more thoroughly through the door. now, the plaintiffs here are asking for the judge to block this immediately. they are asking for a preliminary injunction that would stop the work on this while this continues to work its way through the courts on the question of the merits. so, they wanted an immediate injunction and there is a hearing today. doesn't seem likely the judge would rule from the bench, but they do ask the judge to rule quickly on their request for an injunction. >> pete, thanks so much for that. we appreciate it. also weighing on the white house today is the increasingly volatile situation with iran. where there's been an alarming escalation of new threats and fiery rhetoric aimed at the u.s. "the guardian" is reporting that they are telling middle east
militias to prepare for proxy war and elite revolutionary guard saying iranian missiles can hit u.s. ships in the gulf. put the brakes on a potential confrontation with iran, something he suggested to reporters at the white house. >> mr. president, are we going to war with iran? >> i hope not. >> i'm joined now by tehran bureau chief and former cia director john brennan and national security and intelligence analyst and brett special envoy for the global coalition to defeat isis and deputy assistant for iraq and iran. the president says he hopes not when it comes to war with iran, but from what you have been seeing and hearing, is he taking the right steps to avoid that? >> well, chris, i think we have to make sure that this country, our government addresses iran
malign activities throughout the region and troublemaking and be prepared to deal with any ratcheting up of iran's threatening posture and behavior. that said, i think we look back over the last two years and look at things through iran's eyes. we have to recognize it has been the united states that has been beating the drums of increased pressure that they could interpret as preparations for war. the united states has reneged on its commitment for the joint comprehensive plan of action the iranian nuclear deal and imposed additional sanctions on iran and forced other countries to choose between the united states and iran as far as whether or not they're going to do any business with iran. so, i think iranian leaders and some hardliners among them who see this as just preparations for the united states putting military pressure on iran in an effort to try to have regime change there. so, again, if there's been a march towards war, the drums of the united states of the trump administration are the ones
beatebea beating loudest. >> what the intention is and what the plan is by this administration clear to you. the president just tweeted saying a lot of collusion brought on by the fake news media and it's dangerous and he adds, iran doesn't know what to think. which at this point may be a good thing. what do you make of that? >> well, there are two things going on here. i think, clearly, some information of an increased risk to our personnel in the region. i've been through these types of cycles. you need to make very clear to the iranians if they were to attack us in any way, a devastating response. we used to pass these type of messages off in private so you don't create this atmosphere of increasing tension throughout the region. but, second, an incoherencein i the policy because president trump is saying he wants to have negotiations and dialogue with iran and focus on one issue, the nuclear issue. when his top advisors have created a policy that makes any
negotiation highly unlikely and the objective of which is very unclear. and i think john is right. there seems to be an element of regime change in the policy, which the president clearly doesn't want to support. so, there is an incoherence here and miscommunication and we severed all diplomatic channels. i think it is good the swiss president was in the oval office yesterday and i think that was a good initiative from the president. >> brett, we mentioned that "new york times" report that says president trump is trying to slow down some of the hawks in his administration, including national security adviser john bolton. of course, he has been a long-time proponent of regime change. >> i never would have expected it would be president trump who was putting out the caution flag. but he has really the individual advising him in that inner circle who has one vision and he would like to see bombs dropping
over iran. >> so, if it is to avoid conflict with iran, are you confident the president will be able to drown out the hawk voices? >> when conditions are created and you increase the risk of accident, you're increasing the risk of a conflict that nobody wants. the president says he doesn't want. the president is trying to take control here of the national security team. the problem is, no real national security decisionmaking process particularly since john bolton came into office. you start to see objectives being set, really, on issues across the board. whether it's iran and syria. our objective is to get all iranians out of syria. that's highly unlikely, venezuela. when those policies naturally run into turbulence because when you set objectives that you're not prepared to meet, the president starts asking questions and you end up getting a real muddle. a problem here with process and
policy. mike pompeo tries to enact the president's views which are more restrained and a real disconnect between the national security adviser and the president, it generates incoherence throughout the system and that seems to be what we're seeing right now. >> do you agree that is what is going on, john brennan. if so, how worried are you that a miscalculation could lead us to an armed conflict could be deadly? >> any time of increased tension you have the potential for there to be an unintentional clash that could spiral out of control and we could see a major, and that is something we want to avoid. i think this also reflects what brett was saying, the incoherence of the policy. clearly over the last two years, the trump administration has been putting this increased pressure on iran, i think in a very misguided way because iran is not going to capitulate to that type of pressure.
so, i think the supreme pleader and others recognize that trump will be up for re-election next year and they can wait him out and even though trump may not want to have a military conflict. i think all the things he has authorized in terms of increased sanctions and other things just lead down this cul-de-sac that he has a choice then. whether he will back pedal somewhat. he wants to talk to the irainian leadership. i don't think he will take him up on that. i don't think there has been strategic and thoughtful ways to deal with this iranian issue that really does hold, i think the potential future of the region in its midst. >> that brings me to ali. do you see any circumstances? you have lived there for so many years where there is some sort of talk or negotiation and he says that his country is not looking for war, but certainly doesn't line-up with the rhetoric that we're hearing from the country's military leaders.
>> that's right, chris. no negotiations with the united states. he compared it to drinking poison and he said negotiating with the trump administration would be like a double dose of poison. yes, he has said that he's not seeking war. he also said nor will there be a war. the first part of the message was for the international community. the second was for domestic consumption. as many people in iran are currently riddled with anxiety that a conflict is looming. now, as you mention iranian military leaders who are pointed and answer to the supreme leader want to convey strength at a time when they feel they're being threatened. their message to the united states is that iran is not a country to be trifled with. they have various means of striking back. this morning's commander said that iran's short-range missiles could easily hit u.s. war ships
in the persian gulf. iran is asking its proxies in the region to get ready for a fight with america. there's no reason to doubt that either. those proxies have been created in part to protect iran from a direct attack. the head of the irgc goods force who deals with international operations regularly visits these militias in syria and in iraq who are under his patronage. he is revered by them and by all indications they are fiercely loyal to him and the islamic republic. his message is that iran has a powerful web of influence and fighters in the region that stretches to israel's doorstep. should they need to, they can unleash them and create havoc in the region embroil most countries in the middle east and a conflict that would do untold damage. also interestingly, chris, in the last month, appointed a new commander in chief to the irgc, as well as two deputies who are
staunchly an it lly a lly anti. they are unfolding a whole new strategy here to deal with this new threat. >> john and brett, we're almost out of time. i want to get a quick reaction from you to this question. some analysts see a pretty alarming parallel to the lead up to the iraq war in 2003. others are saying this is all bluster. if we listen to some of the rhetoric that has come out of this white house, the u.s. would already be at war with any of a number of countries. so, what is the average american and i'll start with you, john. what is the average american who is not a foreign policy expert to make of these headlines that say, are we on the brink of war? >> well, i think they have a right to be concerned and worried. there are people in the administration like bolton, as well as mike pompeo who have been vehemently antiiranian. leading the country down this path is very short sighted.
we have to be prepared to deal with any type of iranian threats, as well as actions against the united states interest in the region or american personnel. but i think what we have to do is try to lower the tension there because we don't want to have a conflict in this part of the world at the istime. >> brett, your thoughts on that. >> i agree with john. when you're in a crisis. what do you want to do. i think the president, interestingly, is sending the signal. he wants to calm things down. that's why he has the president of switzerland in his office yesterday. he is trying to give diplomacy a chance. i don't think the iranians will take him up on that. he needs to make sure the team is de-escalating tensions. >> two fantastic guests to have at this very critical junk whct. why we may get to see redacted parts of the mueller report and what it could reveal about the investigation. plus, we're getting closer
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the field is set. msnbc national political correspondent steve kornacki is here. you only get one chance to make a first impression. i talked to a lot of voters out there, they are going to use this first debate to make a lot of their early decisions. this is critical. you can see why people are worried. >> that word, how do you take a field. the democratic field right now. 23 candidates for president right now on the democratic side. how do you windle that down and get it to something more manageable for voters to process. you mention there the first debate. only 20 candidates at the most are going to be able to make the stage, you know, so if three of these candidates get left out. right away a question for three of them. can you continue if you can't even make the debate stage and get on there with the rest of the candidates.
one thing to keep in mind, we've seen some large fields before. not this large. but remember last time around on the republican side, there were 17 candidates at one point in that field that donald trump emerged from. back in 2000, a dozen republican candidates. there were ten out there in 2012. one thing we've seen in some of these races is a fair number of candidates have ended up dropping out before any votes are cast. before the iowa caucus. in the past campaigns, in 2016 and in 2000 there were six. half of the field back in 2000. we can show you this. this republican race in 2000. this is what it started out as. george w. bush emerged ultimately as the republican nominee. what happened that year is bush gobbled up a lot of money, a lot of endorsements, he was leading in the polls. the iowa straw poll on the republican side. by the end of the year, before a single vote had been cast, half the field had dropped out of the race. 12 went down to 6.
there is a potential here with 23 candidates that some candidates will say, you know, it's not working out and get out. if half this field got out, half of 23 is 11.5. and round that up to 12, that would still leave you with over ten candidates. that is a pretty crowded field there, chris. even if there is significant dwindling, you are looking at the largest field you've seen. >> that is fascinating, especially the dropouts. gabe and amie senior political correspondent for "the hill." my gosh, when you look at that, you see why. >> absolutely. i think you're having a lot of candidates worried that they're going to be serious politicians. we have known about for a long time including elected officials that may not make the cut. you do it with polling or fund-raising and a lot of people who are now trying to make that fund-raising mark. if there are over 20 candidates and now there are, the dnc will have to make a cut off at some
point. what you're starting to see are campaigns boosting each other. some places, some people saying basically. give some money to my opponent over there because we want to make sure kirsten gillibrand is on the stage. >> they'll send out an e-mail saying we made the debate stage because they reached one of the criteria. >> exactly. >> there are more than one, right sphhad. >> exactly. >> you're writing about joe biden. obviously, he is somebody who has had a very impressive start. number one in all the polls. now on one hand he is trying to tie himself to his good friend, barack, as he likes to call him. but at the same time also breaking with him on some key policy issues. >> yes, we noticed this on a lot of issues and it's interesting. he has tied his campaign music to barack obama in 2012 and, yet, if you're watching him. he has drifted away from obama on things like minimum wage and even the public option which
obama had to sort of walk away from because it wasn't popular with a certain segment of democrats. joe biden is embracing it right now. he's embracing insurance for undocumented workers. these are all things that obama kind of walked away from. had to walk away from. it's interesting. interesting to see and think about how obama would have evolved, so to speak, if he was still around. but biden has to do that to kind of appease the progressive wing of the party. >> amie, gabe, we have more to talk about. june 26th and 27th are the dates to mark on your calendar. that is the first presidential debate of the 2020 election cycle. miami, florida, the primetime event broadcast live across all msnbc news and telemundo and streamed on msnbc news. i personally recommend msnbc. still ahead, new information that someone tied to the white house and congress tried to interfere with robert mueller's investigation.
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conversations that were redacted in the mueller report. here's the big headline. the former national security adviser told investigators that people linked to the trump administration and congress reached out in an effort to obstruct the russia probe. according to the file, flynn even provided investigators with a voice recording. now a federal judge is demanding a transcript of that voicemail be made public along with the transcript of a phone call that flynn tried hard to hide. his conversation with russian ambassador in late 2016. nbc investigation reporter tom wynter and dan alonzo. tom, when you and i found out about this unredaction of the redaction went wow. but you say people have been asking you, is this a big deal to which you responded? >> i think it is. one thing to know there were conversations that were had between the trump administration
and people involving the mueller probe and we learned and talked extensively about conversations between the president and don mcgahn and other things that occurred. what was a big deal to me and what was interesting about this, one, that flynn provided information aaefforts and that was part of his cooperation with government and now, two, we have congress in the mix. >> first time we heard that, right? >> yes. the best is we have been able to tell that is the first time that any sort of efforts on behalf of congress to potentially obstruct this investigation or michael flynn's testimony. the first time we're hearing about it and not something addressed in the mueller report. it raises some questions. did it turn out to be something that is benign or something not specifically germane to robert mueller's investigation. that's the reason why it was not in the report. raises a lot of important questions as far as how extensive was that outreach and
a serious effort to try to block flynn from testifying. was it criminal? that raises a lot of important questions and only up the ante for us to get more. >> what we don't get in that filing is any details but a voicemail referenced in the mueller report, what do you make of that? >> that is the voicemail they are referring to. basically in this unredaction yesterday we hear about a voice mail that somebody left on michael flynn's phone and that was left by one of the president's attorneys. because of the way it's worded, we don't think it is don mcgahn but looking at that voicemail on screen right now. we reached out to several of the president's attorneys and they told our colleague halli jackson it is not us and we have not heard yet back from dowd. >> the voicemail transcript, then we have a national security issue. so, you know, we need some kind of heads up just for the sake of
protecting all our interests, if we can. >> it's a very, you know, it sounds like something that might be left on a voicemail of somebody in organized crime. a bizarre voicemail for somebody to leave to somebody. if you reach out and say, hey, we might have executive privilege here. hey, there might be a national security concern, that is something that should be lawyer to lawyer. for a lawyer to reach out to the person who might be providing the testimony, in this case, michael flynn, i think that is something that raises a lot of eyebrows. that is why it got people's attention. >> dan, within the next couple weeks we'll know what michael flynn initially lied about, what was said in that phone call with russian ambassador. how significant could that be and could it change anything? >> i doubt it will change anything, right. we already know flynn is guilty about lying about it and we already know that the subject matter that the special counsel was investigating whether that phone call showed some kind of conspiracy between russia and the trump campaign, the special counsel concluded that no
criminal charges to be brought there. significant in the court of public opinion to hear that because it could be very explosive and big deal to talk during the transition, especially when foreign policy is in the outgoing negotiation. >> the associated press points out thursday's order is the first time a judge is known to have directed the justice department to make public any portion of the report that the agency has kept secret. it could set up a conflict with attorney general william barr. how do you see that potentially playing out? >> well, barr doesn't have a choice when a court orders it. he can try to appeal to a higher court, but generally not the kind of thing you can appeal an interim order like this. this is barr in his position as prosecutor. he is the boss of the assistant u.s. attorneys and the judge says you have to do something, you have to do it. this is not the kind of showdown we're seeing between the justice department and congress now. very different when you're talking aboutthe judicial
branch. >> will we start seeing more unredactions even potentially ahead of congress getting its hands on the unredacted report? >> the answer is, yes. certainly from our side of things in the press, we should, right. so, the report is out. no more secrets. and with the exception of material related to roger stone who has a right to a fair trial and says he's not guilty of the crimes that he's been charged with, as far as that information being something that does not come out or remains redacted, that is very understandable. that is something that we would typically see in these types of cases. if it's something that is referenced in the mueller report and something that has been made public already and not being withheld by the grand jury process, let it all come out. particularly if they're public filings as this was. this was a public filing in michael flynn's case. no legitimate reason at this point, particularly since he pleaded guilty for us not to be able to see all the underlying information. it continues to round out the square of the pages of the mullert report. it gives us more color and a
little bit more information and potentially other avenues of inquiry as we have been discussing. >> i am going in here because a new trump tweet and it is actually on michael
flynn. it may take me a second or so to call this up. see if you guys have something. here it is. it now seems general flynn was under investigation long before it was common knowledge. it would have been impossible for me to know this, but, if that was the case and with me being one of two people who would become president, why was i not told so i could make a change? >> i'm not quite sure that syncs up with the timeline as i understand it. one of the primary reasons michael flynn was somebody who, somebody who was on law enforcement's radar because of discussions he had with the russian ambassador, which according to court filings, that is something that people were aware of in the trump transition. i'm not quite sure. i would have to take a second look at the president's tweet there. not sure what he is talking about.
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house. lawmakers there set to approve sweeping anti-discrimination legislation that would extend federal civil rights protections to the lgbtq community. that would be the first time ever. here's speaker nancy pelosi on the house floor just moments ago. >> to bring our nation closer to the founding promise of liberty and justice for all. we today pass the equality act and finally, fully end discrimination against lgbtq americans. >> but, again, that is just in one house. president trump and conservative republicans oppose what is known as the equality act and the president says the bill, quote, contains poison pills. wait until you hear the latest twist in the massive college admission scandal. georgetown university now being sued by a student whose father admitted to cheating and lying to get him into that school. joe fryer has more on this latest twist in an ongoing story from our l.a. bureau.
what is going on, joe? >> chris, a student whose wealthy father has already pleaded guilty in the scheme said he should be allowed to stay in the school or at the very least keep his credits, despite the events that led to his admission. he is suing the university after being told he is being expelled. his father admitted he paid $400,000 in bribes to get his son into georgetown. former coach designated him as a tennis recruit even though he didn't play the sport competitively. his attorney tells nbc news adam was aunwear of the bribes and should be allowed to keep credits for classes he had already taken. georgetown could have found out adam didn't play tennis during its own investigation in 2017, which led the coach's dismissible and points out the transcript from his high school
said he received credit for his participation on the basketball team. the lawsuit itself seems to acknowledge some awareness of the alleged scheme saying he had him forward an e-mail that he had drafted to the coach as part of the application process. the material stated that he was a tennis player. the university would not comment on the litigation, but said in a statement that two students have been notified that they're being dismissed from georgetown. no students have been charged, but prosecutors have introduced evidence indicating some were willing participants in the scheme. some posing for photos in sports they didn't play and others traveling across country to take tests with corrupt proctors. some of their children may be weighing their options as a school year draws to a close. >> of the 33 parents who have been charged in this scheme, so
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this morning the president and attorney general are once again in lock step standing firmly behind the justice department inquiry that is going on right now into the fbi. specifically how the fbi's investigation into russian interference started. the intelligence that jump started the fbi's counterintelligence investigation and subsequent surveillance of trump associates in 2016. the president declaring this morning, quote, my campaign for president was conclusively spied on. of course, the attorney general has used that same word, spying before. and today he said that he has more questions than he did before. >> if we're worried about
foreign influence for the very same reason we should be worried about whether government officials abused their power and put their thumb on the scale. >> back with me former federal prosecutors dan alonso and amie barr spoke about his reasoning, so i want to play a little more of that. >> the fact of the matter is bob mueller didn't look at government's activities. he was looking at whether or not the trump campaign had conspired with the russians. he was not going back and looking at the counterintelligence program. as far as i'm aware, no one has really looked across the whole waterfront. >> dan, that wasn't what he was charged with doing, robert mueller. so can that be used as a justification for what's going on right now? >> i don't see that as a criticism of mueller, he's stating the fact -- >> he's not criticizing it but he's using it as a justification. >> usually we like to see
something with what the fbi calls predication. a reason to start an investigation. i don't know that the attorney general has articulated that yet. there is an investigation going on. we'll wait to hear how that turns out. that has fisa warrants and the inspector general has wide jurisdiction. we don't know what predication barr has. >> we know dan coats, chris wray are part of the review of the decisions made on the basis of the intelligence. does it tell you anything all these folks are involved there? >> are involved in the investigation? >> yeah. a part of this review of the intelligence. >> it tells me that there are some people, chris wray, for example who are seriously well-respected professionals who are going to be part of this. even john durham is a respected federal prosecutor. the inspector general is already doing it. that said, it doesn't necessarily -- he's not predetermining the outcome, right? he's saying he wants to see what
comes out. >> in another area of intelligence, the house intel chair adam schiff has said he's considering enforcement action against barr for refusing to hand over the unredacted report, for refusing to give the underlying intel materials to his committee. there's another angle here. >> a number of other angles. the reality this is all political from everyone's perspective. schiff, is genuinely angry about this and has been talking about how to proceed. this comes as democrats are trying to pressure schiff, nadler, other leading democrats towards impeachment or hearings in that direction. of course we have to look at the other side of this, which is it's no coincidence that barr is doing these interviews. everyone has their political incentives here. the one take away is this will drag on for quite some time. >> barr echoed that spy language
as i rmentioned. chris wray has pushed back that in his understated way. attorney generals have sat for interviews. they sat for interviews on controversial topics before. but is this different? >> it is a little different. you know, it's doing something to morale at the fbi. i've talked to former people now to people. it doesn't look good. in fact, when other things are happening when two counties in florida were hacked and people still aren't getting to the bottom of how that happened, and you know, it's just causing all this chaos internally in the government, it's problematic going forward. no one wants the government to be in dispute with one another and this is what's happening. it's going to continue to play on in very different ways politically and everyone's going to have their side and take their side and keep pushing on. >> thank you for sticking with us. i want to keep you guys to talk about what our sources are saying. we stole one of yours, actually,
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look who is here, my colleague jeff bennett. every once in a while they let you out of washington. welcome, good to see you. great to see you as well. good morning. any minute president trump is set to arrive to the white house home from new york. he has big new plans on his wall on the southern border. plus just an hour from now senator bernie sanders makes a strategic swing through a southern state where he needs to make inroads with black voters.
mayor buttigieg put out 27 policies for his campaign. we're going to go through them. the number one issue on voters' minds, healthcare. we'll have a live up close look at why it matters so much. let's start with the shakeup in the 2020 race. sanders is down, senator warren and buttigieg is up. joe biden, well, he's way up. those are some of the findings from a new poll. for warren the uptick mirrors enthusiasm as she's turned i have a plan for that into a campaign slogan. she's released another detailed plan on protecting a woman's right to choose. among other things, she calls for a federal law that parallels roe v wade. joe biden's entry doesn't appear to have hurt her satandings. what about sanders and buttigieg? for that story we go to our road