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you can see as they zoom in, one woman, that woman has just been pulled to safety, essentially. was clinging to a tree. it appears that there are other rescues happening as well. this is a region that's been hit with 24 tornadoes in the past 24 hours. you've seen homes flooded and it looks as though in the upper left corner of your screen there is another rescuers trying to get to somebody who is clinging to a tree. it appears back in that tree line there. it is dangerous, it is scary, and there's the potential for more storms on the way in this region. it's something that i know craig melvin will be watching very closely. and craig, it is some terrifying video to watch. glad that that woman appears to be okay. >> we have been following those storms closely over the past few days, as you indicated. so far, no deaths. let's hope that doesn't change, hallie. thank you. good morning to you here. craig melvin, msnbc headquarters here in new york city. two big stories we're following in addition to those storms. on capitol hill, moments ago, the house judiciary committee held a hearing where former
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white house counsel don mcgahn was a no show. the chairman's committee promising that one way or another, they'll get him to top. meanwhile, top national security officials leaving congress right now behind closed doors on that escalating situation in iran. but we'll start on capitol hill with that no-show there. former white house counsel don mcgahn failing to appear before the house judiciary committee this morning despite being subpoenaed. president trump citing a justice department opinion, directing mcgahn not to appear. committee chairman joe nadler described the action is unacceptable. >> let me be clear. this committee will hear mr. mcgahn's testimony, even if we have to go to court to secure it. we will not allow the president to prevent the american people from hearing from this witness. we will not allow the president to block congressional subpoenas, putting himself and his allies above the law. >> and this is seen as the tipping points, democrats say
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should launch impeachment proceedings. there's new reporting about a split within the party on whether to move forward with that. details, right now from nbc's kelly o'donnell. she is on capitol hill for us. msnbc contributor barbara mcquade, and also with us, hallie jackson with me in the studio. kelly o., i'll start with you there on the hill. walk me through how all of this played out. >> reporter: well, there has been a simmering movement toward impeachment. and basically, this is like, if you survey the democrats, there are those who feel very strongly about it. others who believe that while they may think personally the president has committed some impeachable offenses, they don't necessarily think it's politically the right move or that the time is right in terms of the process. so we will be measuring this sentiment toward impeachment over a long, hot summer here in washington. and one thing is clear. the leadership, which includes, of course, house speaker nancy pelosi and key committee chairpersons who run the
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committees that are in many ways, like judiciary here, able to move the ball forward, are not yet there. but you do have more rank and file members who are saying they believe that with the white house rebuffing them on different kinds of investigations and ignoring subpoenas and doing other things that democrats on capitol hill believe are obstructing their ability to do their own oversight and their constitutional duties as elected members of congress, that's where the, kind of the sort of, if you look at the whole array of things, you've got a lot of people feeling the same way about impeachable offenses, different opinions when it comes to what steps to take. now, you played jerrold nadler, the committee chairman who is a democrat from this hearing. don mcgahn is the former white house counsel who was told by the president, instructed through his lawyer not to appear. the republican ranking member of this committee, doug collins, had a very different take on today's proceedings.
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here's what he had to say about democrats, their leadership, and why don mcgahn is not here. >> the special counsel closed up shop without giving democrats anything to deliver to their base. now the democrats are trying desperately to make something out of nothing, which is why the chairman has again haphazardly subpoenaed today's witnesses. that move, though, has actually ensured the witness will not testify. >> reporter: so there are the two differing views. the republicans who oppose the way this is being handled, who say the mueller report was a thorough, deep, two-year investigation that caused taxpayers $35 million. enough, they say. democrats, very different view. so, again, watching over the days and weeks to come, look for instances where members are saying, their views have changed or evolved greater toward impeachment or perhaps less than if situations change, but unless and until there are committee chairpersons or members of leadership who say it's time to turn toward an impeachment
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process, then it's simply more of the same in just varying degrees of heat. craig? >> all right. kelly o'donnell there outside that hearing room for us in washington. kelly o., thank you pip tu. i turn now to our chief washington correspondent. is this the white house strategy? >> you're seeing it. it's say "yes" to "no." they're getting back up from the legal opinions that the department of justice is putting forward, speaking in one voice for this administration, saying in the case of don mcgahn, hey, he should get immunity! legally, we think this is right, we're going to point to these past precedents in which that has happened. they believe they have the right argument here to be able to do this. and when i talk to sources at the white house, that's what you hear. they're also crucially, craig, getting back up on capitol hill from allies of the president, like lindsey graham who said just this morning, if he were the president, he would do the same thing because this is a political witch hunt in the words of the senator. you have ranking member doug collins who you just heard from, saying similar things. the white house wants to hear
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that. the president likes that these republican allies are backing him up in this. to them, there's nothing to lose. why put don mcgahn out in front of democrats if they're not going to have to? that said, the courts have ruled in the last 24 hours against the president in one instance. as you know, a judge ruled that house democrats are the ones who are coming out on top in this legal fight to get financial documents from an accounting firm linked to the president's business. so once it gets to the courts, it's that whole other can of worms, but at least politically, it's my sense that the white house feels like they're on firm ground here. >> and there's also a reference that a fellow named merrick garland is the guy who will be hearing that appeal. >> i think so. >> barbara, the letter from the white house, white house attorney, pat cipollone, it reads in part, the department of justice has advised me that mr. mcgahn is absolutely immune from compelled congressional testimony with respect to matters occurring during his
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service as a senior adviser to the president. the president has directed mr. mcgahn not to appear at the committee's scheduled hearing. what do we make of cipollone's argument there? >> i think that argument is ultimately going to fail if the judiciary committee challenges this opinion in court. i'm confident that they're going to prevail and get mcgahn to appear. there is only one court case that has ever decided this issue of whether a presidential aide has immunity from even appearing before a court and that one opinion ruled against the white house in that case. it was harriet miers, the bush administration sought to prevent her from testifying before this same house judiciary committee during the scandal involving firing of u.s. attorneys. the court, a judge, john bates, who was appointed by that same president, george bush 43 found that absolute privilege does not exist for presidential aides. he must appear. he may exert question by question executive privilege, but he may not choose to simply
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not appear under this theory of absolute immunity. >> they can hold him in contempt of congress, as i understand it, barbara. what's the risk here for don mcgahn? >> well, he is caught a little bit between a rock and a hard place. he has been subpoenaed to appear and he must appear, and yet the trump administration is directing him not to. as a private citizen, he is not obliged to obey the orders of the trump administration. and so i predict that in the end, he'll show up. but the executive privilege would still exist as to things for which is properly covered, but it's going to be a very limited area. >> barbara mcquade, thank you. hallie jackson, double duty here for us. >> love seeing you. >> thank you, as well. with us now, california democrat congresswoman zoe loftgren, member of the judiciary committee. she was just inside that room. congresswoman, thanks for your time. let's just start with next steps here. do you support opening an impeachment inquiry? >> well, i think that's kind of beside the point at this point.
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it wouldn't advance our effort to get the testimony that we're seeking one bit at all. so i think we need to proceed in an orderly and determined fashion. we need to get the documents that we've asked from the department. we need to get the testimony from mr. mcgahn. we're looking forward to mr. mueller. once we get the evidence that we need, which we can't outsource evidence collection. we have to do that ourselves. then we'll be in a position to know what to do next. >> there were, though, reportedly, some very different views expressed at some leadership meetings yesterday, according to nbc, the debate in both meetings on monday highlighted dee ee eed d divides within your party as more members of the house democratic caucus seem to be leaning towards opening impeachment proceedings and top leaders remain opposed. given what happened today, are those voices calling for an impeachment inquiry, are those
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voices growing lowduder? >> well, i wasn't at the two meetings you referenced, but in discussion with members of congress, my colleagues, there are discussions of the strategy. but i think what some of the members, especially the newer members were not focusing on in my discussion is that opening an inquiry does not advance the cause of getting the testimony. we still have to go to court. you still have to get an order. so it really is a diversion at this point for us to be talking about that. we need to focus on getting the testimony and evidence that we have a right to get and then we'll see where we go next. >> i mean, the administration seems to be fairly hell-bent on stonewalling your demands, congressional demands for testimony, documents. i mean, what actions, what effective actions can the house take that you haven't taken yet? >> well, we had a very good decision yesterday where the district court judge not only found in our favor, but found that the president's case was
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just preposterous. and consequently did not order a stay of his order that the information be provided. i think that the claim that the president is making of complete immunity for anybody who works for him, complete immunity, they cannot appear before congress. that's preposterous. that's ridiculous. there's no basis in law for that. now, we're going to go to court, we're going to try to expedite these proceedings and get court orders. and when people violate the subpoena and then violate the court order that enforces that subpoena, they're in big trouble. >> all of this focus on the president, impeachment, has it taken the steam out of any democratic policy initiatives? is it getting in the way of developing a platform for 2020? >> i don't think so. for example, tomorrow morning, in the judiciary committee, we're marking up the dream act. and the tps legislate to
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preserve people who have been here for decades in a temporary status. that's an important piece of legislation, one of the first things we did was pass hr-1, the dramatic reform measure. we passed the equality act last week. so we're moving ahead with our proactive agenda. we passed a number of bills last week to make pharmaceuticals more affordable for the american people and we've got other things ready to move forward to make health care less expensive for all americans. so we're moving on all of that, while also doing the oversight that we need to do on the president's activities. >> congressmwoman loftgren, thanks for your time. >> thanks very much. escalating tensions. administration officials are on capitol hill right now briefing lawmakers on iran. can the white house make its case for ratcheting up tensions in that region? also, president trump taking
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aim at joe biden at a rally in battleground pennsylvania. both have been there in the last few days. why is pennsylvania getting so much love so early? and a dramatic water rescue in oklahoma city just moments ago, after dangerous storms there. 24 tornadoes in 24 hours. they have caused some life-threatening flooding. we're keeping a very close eye on the situation in oklahoma. we'll go back there in just a moment. go back there in just a moment . with peak season berries, creamy avocado. and a dressing fit for a goddess. come taste what a salad should be. and with panera catering, there's more to go around. panera. food as it should be.
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iran just announced it is quadrupling its supply of enriched uranium. president trump just threatened, quote, the official end of iran. and right now, behind closed doors, congress is getting a critical briefing on what to expect from all of it. the high-stakes showdown has taken a volatile turn. iranian president hassan rouhani says he is in favor of diplomacy, but, quote, today's situation is not suitable for talks and our choice is resistance only. i want to bring in nbc news tehran bureau chief, ali rusy. also with me now, nbc national security analyst, ned price, he's a former special assistant to president obama. ali, let me start with you on the ground there in tehran. things have seemed to escalate fairly quickly. what are you hearing about the events that led to this showdown? any plans to negotiate going forward? >> good afternoon, craig.
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well, interestingly enough, iran's president, hassan rouha i rouhani, just gave a speech as we were coming on-air where he called the trump administration a bunch of political novices that have no idea what they're doing. he says president trump has dialed back his threats of war because senior u.s. military aides have advised them not to start a conflict with iran. as you mentioned, he also reiterated a narrative coming out of all corridors of power in iran, which is that the islamic republic, under these circumstances, while washington pursues a policy of all sticks and no carrots, will not negotiate with the united states, but as you said, will resist instead. now, craig, while these tensions remain high and chances of talks are very low, efforts are being made by third parties to diffuse the situation. yesterday, the amani foreign minister made a brief visit to tehran where he met his
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counterpart. aym aman is one of the few countries in the world that has good relations with both the u.s. and tehran and has served as a go-between to resolves standoffs between them. and today the prime minister said that he's going to send a delegation to washington and tehran to help halt tensions. not least of all, because as thousands of u.s. troops in iraq and thousands of iranian militias under tehran's patronage in his country, and the last thing he wants to see is his country become a battlefield, where america and iran settle their scores. so tensions do remain high. chances of talks are very low. but there are indications that there are parties trying to diffuse this really very dangerous situation, where miscalculations are still a very real threat. craig? >> thank you, ali.
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ned, this is how president trump has characterized the relationship with iran right now. >> with iran, we'll see what happens. but they've been very hostile. they've truly been the number one provocateur of terror in this country and, you know, representing their country. we have no indication that anything's happened or will happen, but if it does, it will be met, obviously, with great force. we'll have no choice. >> ned, if you were advising this president, what would you be advising him to do or not do? >> well, i find it fanciful that i would advise this president, but what i would say if you have to have consistency of message. and what we heard from the president yesterday, saying, quote, we have no -- we have no indication that anything's happened or will happen, is quite a ways off from what we heard from president trump's national security adviser, john bolton, 15 days prior on may 5th, when he issued this dire
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statement saying we have indications and warnings ofs a escalatory behavior on the part of the iranians. so which is it? do we face this dire threat or not? and these are the questions that congress will be asking today when mike pompeo and top intelligence officials go before all members of congress for the first time to provide answers that so far have not been forthcomi forthcoming. >> ned, senator chris murphy, senator murphy of connecticut, he described the situation this way. quote, i think iranians think that our moves are offensive, we think their moves are offensive, that's how you get into wars by mistake. is that a valid concern from the senator? >> well, he is raising, i think, a very profound and good point. there has been only one constant in this administration's foreign policy. and that is, they have not faced a crisis not of their own
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making. every perceived national security crisis they have confronted has been handmade and fabricated by them and iran in this case is no different. i would say that if the administration had opted to fabricate, to devise a policy to goad iran into confrontation, it would look a lot like what we have seen. we have seen the united states of america go back on our word vis-a-vis the iran deal. we have seen the trump administration try to suffocate the iranian economy, try to isolate them politically, offer no off-ramp. and now these provocations from the trump administration that, yes, have been met with provocations from the iranians, it's no question that we're seeing this. i think the question we should bask be asking ourselves is not so much what congress will hear from the trump administration today, but what message congress will deliver to the administration. and it's my hope that congress sends a very stern and firm message, the administration is not, not authorized to go to war
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or to use force against iran. that's something that requires congressional authorization, whether people like mike pompeo and john bolton like it or not. >> ned price, ned, thank you. alley ali arouzi, thank you as well. we want to get back to our breaking news right now, the situation playing out in oklahoma. that's where several high-water rescues are happening this morning. a line of storms have triggered flash flooding there this morning, that comes after multiple twisters left a swath of destruction across the midwest and the plains as well. kerry sanders is in mangum, oklahoma, surveying some of the damage there. kerry, what's the scene there in oklahoma? what's going on there? >> reporter: in this location, i want to sort of demonstrate to you the power of a tornado. first of all, you can see the tree here that was hit. now, when the tornado came through here, it didn't just break it off, it came all the way down. you begin to understand the
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power of this tornado. but what's really incredible is i want to take you over to this house. this house built in 1912, or 112 years old, i'm sorry. it looks like things are okay. but take a look at this. the tornado moved it a good 8 inches off the foundation. now, as the tornado was coming, standing out here in the yard watching it come was brenda rogers with her husband. initially, they thought, well, there's not going to be a problem. this tornado is going to turn, it's going to turn. they kept thinking, it's going to turn. and now we come up here to brenda, who's been spending the day here cleaning up after this mess. brenda, come on over here. first of all, i'm glad you're okay and your husband is okay. take me through, if you can. you're in the front yard, you see the tornado coming, you eventually decide to come in the house. where what did you do? where did you go? >> then we went in through here and we know that the laundry
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room would be the safest place because there's no windows or anything in there. and it's kind of protected by the stairwell. and all of this here, so that's why we decided to come in here. >> so you came down, you were coming through here. at that point, the wind's not really blowing yet. >> the wind's not blowing that much yet. >> so as you came around the corner, right here is the laundry room? >> right here is the laundry room and we came here with mr. barker. come here mr. barker. >> that's your little doggy. >> and we wasn't here for just a few minutes when it just hit all of a sudden. we didn't hear the roar, it just hit. and we heard the glass flying and breaking and the roof off of the upstairs. we heard it cracking and flying around. and it was just done. >> did you feel the house shift? >> really, it just went so fast, we didn't feel -- i didn't feel anything. and my husband said he didn't feel anything. it just went so fast. >> so afterwards you came out,
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and it's quite a long walk for us, we'll see if we can go upstairs. first i want to point out, not only did you and your husband and your doggy survived, but you've got the little bunny survived. >> and all the plates. >> remarkable to think that the plates -- >> right there. >> so if you take us upstairs. we'll see if we can do this. i know it's a little bit of a complicated walk, but it demonstrates the damage here to the house, because it may appear that actually the damage is not that bad, but when you look around -- this is not the only area here in town that was hit. we have the barns not too far from here. the one thing that you're not dealing with here are the floods that they're having in other parts of the state, but as we walk into this room here, oh, my goodness. okay, so -- >> that's where the -- >> we can see here -- skpuand y said the house is 112 years old. >> a good portion of the ceiling came down and really, wow. >> this was up against that window and it pushed it all the way over here. >> what a mess.
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what a mess. well, you're okay, i think what we'll do is we will take a look at some of the pictures while i'm talking to you now of some of the flooding that's taking place. this is about two hours from here where they're in the process of doing water rescues. again, remember, the tornados are spawned out of the thunderclouds and the thunderclouds have a lot of rain. so that's caused some of the flash floods. so craig, as we're looking at some of the pictures here of those water rescues, just remember that we have water rescues underway, flash floods that will continue today, and the threat of tornadoes continues. so, one of the myths that was busted here in this town is that you guys believed what. >> that a tornado would not touchdown between two rivers. >> and it did. >> it did. >> so myth busted. craig, clearly a situation that is heartbreaking here, but also one where their health is okay.
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and now the threat remains for so many other people still in the zone here. >> kerry, thank you. thank you, thank you. kerry sanders there with a look at just some of the damage that has happened there in oklahoma. we're keeping a very close eye. we are deploying additional resources there, as well. 17 million people in the bull's-eye for this severe weather. a few tornadoes have also been reported today, we're told, in other places, as well. again, we'll keep a very close eye on the situation there in oklahoma. 2019 looking a lot like 2020 with president trump taking aim at joe biden on his home turf in pennsylvania. the battleground, the battle lines already being drawn. we'll dig into that, next. 'ldig.
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to the 2020 race now, where there are so many democratic contenders, but only one who seemed to be dogging the president's thoughts last night. at a rally in pennsylvania, president trump took a shot at scranton-born joe biden. >> don't forget, biden deserted you. he's not from pennsylvania. i guess he was born here, but he left you, folks. he left you for another state.
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he didn't take care of you, because he didn't take care of your jobs. >> to be clear, joe biden did leave pennsylvania after his father lost his job when joe biden was, i believe, 9 or 10 years old. but nonetheless, nbc news reporter ali vitali here let's start with you there in d.c., miss vitali. if you at pennsylvania's history, and we have it on the screen for our viewers at home and for our listeners on sirius satellite radio. i'll describe it to you to a certain extent. it's clear the president needs to work it. barely ekes out a win in 2016. the state goes blue for seven consecutive elections prior to that. what was the president's focus last night, ali? >> craig, it was pretty much what you would expect. because in pennsylvania, what happened him there in 2016 was the focus on the economy, and that's exactly what he wants to continue focusing on. because the economy is, if you look at just the numbers, it's
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pretty good. so he wants to continue that message that he can continue economic prosperity. of course, there was also some talk of immigration mixed in. because if you look at how 2018 pulled out, those are still the energizing issues for his base and those are the kinds of people that he needs to keep coming to these rallies and hopefully bringing their friends. the thing that's striking about how he talks about the 2020 race and specifically the other democrats is, to me, joe biden is the ultimate foil for him, because it allows trump to continue railing against the obama years, this time with joe biden as the obvious foil. so it's getting kind of predictable, the way he talks about biden, calling him sleepy joe. to me, if it's predictable now, i wonder what it's going to look like when he ratchets it up, when we actually hit 2020. but right now, it seems like it's predictable trump commentary on the 20 field, plus red meat for the base. >> here's a thing, though. from a strategic standpoint, and again, i know this is not a president who always, you know,
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thinks and speaks strategically, but why would the president help evaluate joe biden to front-runner status so early? why not just pretend that joe biden doesn't exist, at least for a few months? >> i'm with you. i don't think there's a strategic rationale here. traditionally, presidents especially during a primary process, adopt this sort of olympian posture where they sit back and scold the field, further the squabbling and portrays himself as very presidential. this is not this president's style. he likes to get down, he likes to get into the mud. and i think that's just instinct chul. i don't think it's indulging in any sort of strategic approach. and it may end up hurting him in the long run, because the classics ensue, just let these guys fight. by evaluate joe biden early, he's evaluating his chief competitor, his most viable competitor. and joe biden's big advantage here is his predictability, as ali was saying, he's sort of a known quantity and donald trump is somebody who stirs the water. so when his job approval is in the mid-40s, but his approval on
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economics is in the mid-50s, you have to say it's really just because of the president's conduct and this sort of stuff doesn't help. >> who would you view, among the 20 or so democratic candidates right now who have declared, who would you view as the most significant threat to this current sitting president? >> i mean, there's a lot of conjecture right, "a" because it's very early and polls are beginning to become more problem it. he can't afford to lose those donald trump voters. among them, joe biden, amy klobuchar, and pete buttigieg, people who strike tonal moderation pop don't necessarily lose the appeal of their base voters, but also can appeal to the industrial midwest obama/trump voters. >> but what about their -- the aforementioneds' inability to appeal to minority voters, whether it's klobuchar or buttigieg, who in south carolina right now is polling at
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literally zero with black and hispanic voters. >> so drawing out african-american turnout is incredibly important for a democratic nominee. it really hurt hillary clinton and it's not as those african-americans showed up to vote for donald trump, they just didn't show up at all. pete buttigieg is making a concerted effort to try to generate more support among african-american democrats. but also the ticket helps, the vice presidential ticket which is probably going to go to somebody, especially a white male on the top of the ticket, someone who's a minority status or a woman, someone who's going to round out the ticket. ali vitali, thank you, as well. politics and sports often collide in the current climate. president trump and some of the biggest names in the nfl and the nba have sparred on twitter over activism. i recently sat down with nba commissioner adam silver who usually stays behind the scenes, but he did talk to me about a wide range of topics, including who he deals with players' political views. a number of players have openly expressed political views, whether it's the black lives
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matter movement and police brutality. you haven't punished these players. why not? >> first, i would say there's a history of activism in this league. and essentially what we've said to our players, there's still guard ra guardrails, we've talked to them about the substance of what they're saying. their view on important issues as opposed to the language that we use. we're proud that our players demonstrate to people, frankly globally, that they're mult multi-dimensional. >> when a player criticizes the president or a team refuses to go to the white house, does that make adam silver's job anymore difficult? >> sometimes. what i have pointed out to people who have said to me, how can a player criticize the president? i've also said, this is america. i have encouraged teams to go to the white house. i've tried to de-plit subsidiol but have ultimately said to that team, that's a team decision. >> why encourage a team to go? >> when the president took office, i saw it as an opportunity, maybe naively for
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the president to say, here's a young man and do something outside the bright lights of the media to have a conversation and that dialogue is a helpful thing and should be encouraged. >> a fascinating conversation. i encourage you to check out the rest of it on the interwebs. my conversation with nba commissioner, adam silver. switching gears now. we are continuing our kids under pressure series today with a look at perfectionism. nbc news and msnbc are collaborating with "usa today" this week to highlight the issue surrounding children and mental health. today, we're focusing on negative gender stereotypes affecting young girls. experts say millennials, especially young girls, have an expectation to be perfect. and in this turn pushes them to avoid risk and failure. but they say if girls took more chances, they'd be more comfortable with imperfections and change. i'm joined now by founder and ceo of girls who code, rash ma,
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also the book of "brave." let's start with perfectionism. what is it and how does it affect specifically young girls? >> so i think we seed the perils of perfectionism in every aspect of our life. so in school, studies show that if women get a "b" in a single class, they'll drop out of their economics major, whereas boys are like, i got a "b"! that's amazing! >> i'm one of those boys. >> yep, we see it later in work. women won't even apply for a job unless they meet 100% of the qualifications. and then we see it in our health. women are twice as likely to suffer depression as men. and this is happening -- and this begins at the youngest of ages. and all you have to do is sit on a playground for a minute, right? and we tell our girls, careful, honey, don't swing too high, did you give that toy away, give it back to her. is your dress dirty? sweetie, let me clean it up for
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you. we are constantly protecting and coddling our girls and they get addicted to perfection and they start giving up before they even try. >> and you've talked about this idea of a bravery deficit. what is that? >> i think bravery is the anecdote to perfectionism. when you learn how to be brave, you learn how to be joyful. and i saw this happen at girls who code. every girl when they came to our program were terrified to learn how to code. they wouldn't even show their teacher their imperfect line of code. they would say, i don't know how to write code. so i saw them giving up before they even try. so when you learn how to be brave, it opens up an entire world and you learn how to rewire yourself. >> how do you teach bravery as a parent of a 21/2-year-old girl, how can i or other people watching or listening, what are some of the things that you can do to teach that or can it be taught? is it innate? >> i think it can totally be taught. it's like a muscle you build and you keep building. as young as you possibly can
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start, tell them to tinker and take things apart and not to walk away when they get frustrated. if they're bad at gymnastics, don't pull them out and put them into soccer, let them know what it's like to not get an a-plus every single time. so many girls think they're bad at math because it doesn't come easily to them. those are two different things. i think in the name of protection and coddling, we are often not giving our girls exposure to risk and failure, because we don't want to hurt their feelings. and we've got to keep doing that. >> 185,000 girls so far have learned to code or are learning to code in all 50s states in this country, thanks in large part to your organization. but you're not just teaching hard skills. you're not just teaching women to create the next facebook or twitter or whatever. what else are you teaching? >> we're teaching them to raise their hand when they have a question, we're teaching them to speak up, we're teaching them to stand up for themselves, to stop putting other people's feelings before theirs, we're teaching
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them bravery and unlearn perfectionism. and to me a problem that we have right now with the leadership gap is that women are waiting to be perfect to live, women are waiting to be perfect to lead. and we'll never close the leadership gap if we don't do that. >> to realize that no one's perfect. >> and perfect is boring! >> yes, it is! as someone who has been imperfect for 40 years. reshma, thank you so much. i've always enjoyed you. thanks for coming on to talk about the book. and to catch more of our series, "kids under pressure" here on msnbc, "nbc nightly news," the "today" show, and, we've got it across all of our platforms. but we want to go back now to our breaking news. this situation that continues to unfold in oklahoma. several flood rescues are happening right now. millions of americans still in the path of severe storms, as well. we are going to go back live to oklahoma and also take a look at where those storms are headed, next, right half. t half
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is the worst behind this or are we going to see this more and more over the next few hours? >> well, what we're going to continue to see are more of these water rescues, more flooding. remember, in some areas, in stillwater, oklahoma, for example, just to the north and east of oklahoma city where these pictures are coming from, we've seen upwards of 8, 9 inches of rain. and that is on top of what in many places is already saturated, flat ground. these images are remarkable and it gives you an idea of what some of these first responders have to work through and the different circumstances they're encountering, going through residential neighborhoods, streams and rivers, people stranded in cars. and all of this is going to contin continue. these torrential rains will work their way towards the north and east over the next several hours, and days, in fact. let's take a look at the maps. we have tornado watches in
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effect until noon central time, including fayetteville, arkansas, working through western oklahoma into northeastern or northwestern, i should say, northwestern arkansas. eastern oklahoma to western arkansas. 17 million people at risk. we've talked about these rainfall rates. 1 to 2 inches an hour. now, you see a line of storms, but we're continuing to see energy feed these storms, and they continue to train. we're looking at an enhanced risk of certainly severe weather rolling even into st. louis, back to springfield, down to little rock, damaging winds is going to be the big issue, as we head through the rest of the day today. isolated hail, which could be 2 inches or larger. a slightly diminished risk of tornados, but that's still in the picture. and watch all of this rain continue to advance with this frontal passage. and as that works its way east,
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the line of storms continues to travel across missouri and arkansas. flooding is going to continue to remain an issue. and again, this is 1 to 2 inches per as these storms continue to push through, and, craig, these are slow-moving storms. these aren't racing, and it is one line continuing to advance, more energy and more moisture is fed over already saturated ground. people who have gone through so much already still have more to go before we hit the midweek. >> more rain coming. dave, thank you. morgan chesky is in tulsa, oklahoma. he is in one of the hardest hit areas. morg morgan, what kind of damage are you seeing? looks to be fairly substantial? >> reporter: yes, craig. you heard as many chainsaws as we have this morning, a rough night for a lot of folks in this neighborhood. a team effort, people try to clean up before another wave of storms kicks in.
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a combination of high wind and saturated ground what it can do. this massive tree split right in half, in the early morning hours. a lot of the folks went to bed last night. thought they were in the clear and this wind split it in two pieces. walking into this woman's backyard, get up to get a sheer sense of the scale here. split this home nearly in half. came crashing down, the man inside living in his kitchen pinned within his refrigerate whir this massive section of his tree rolled on top of his very roof. the fire department says he might have been trapped under the fridge about an hour before they were able to get on top of the roof and get that man safely out. incredibly, that man expected to be okay this morning. a lot of folks in this area are used to these kinds of storms, but numerous people told me in this neighborhood they went ahead, got in basements last
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night. didn't think anything would happen and went to bed. this morning another wave of the storm proving so dangerous for this neighborhood. >> morgan chesky in hard-hit tulsa, oklahoma. we'll check in periodically throughout the afternoon. coming up in a few minutes on "andrea mitchell reports" the president of are planned parenthood. talking about today's stop the abortion ban day of action. not this john smith. or this john smith. or any of the other hundreds of john smiths that are humana medicare advantage members. no, it's this john smith. who we paired with a humana team member to help address his own specific health needs. at humana, we take a personal approach to your health, to provide care that's just as unique as you are. no matter what your name is. ♪
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today in san francisco, a vote is set for a -- a final vote to ban the use of facial recognition by government agencies, and tomorrow the future of amazon's facial recognition hangs in the balance. a group of tech shareholders believes technology threat ens civil rights and consumer privacy. msnbc technology correspondent jake ward is in san francisco to walk us through some of this. jake, first, let's talk about the spread of this technology. how pervasive is it in our lives right now? do we even know? >> reporter: craig, the estimate is between 1 -- one a little more than one or two of us probably scanned. the truth of it. so it's everywhere in our society. it's becoming a thing when you board a plane, you should your face rather than i.d.
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gathering in public parks all kinds of spaces swept up in this, sweeping the nation and the problem held by private databases used by law enforcement agencies you never get to see. >> the san francisco ban on the use of facial recognition i assume is likely to set off similar actions in other cities. what are the chances that it slows things down a bit? >> reporter: you know, this is really the first major city to ban it, and i like to think, maybe in ten years it will be somehow the selling point of san francisco. come to san francisco. the city you don't get scanned. maybe this will add to some sort of more free-wheeling sort of, your shoulders fall a little when you come to san francisco. it's mostly a symbolic measure. once you leave the city's limits you're picked up at the ports, the airport, any of those kinds of places where federal jurisdiction allows it. the center of the tech community basically banning this stuff is powerful, i think. >> does it make us safer?
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this facial recognition technology. >> reporter: that's the argument amazon and others are making around it, that it has many, many legitimate uses by law enforcement. they say they love using it. you can feed a wanted poster into a database and boom, out comes some guy kiting a check last week. researchers says it misidentifies people of color at a far greater rate than colored people. bias creeps into the system and fly-by-night operations trying to sell the idea you can detect someone's emotions or moods and give in to the police which might somehow tip of you an investigation into you. so, yes. there is, of course, legitimate investigative use here but almost no jurisdiction. are you willing to be fingerprint the everywhere you go, no matter what you do, have law enforcement draw on whatever they'd like.
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i'm not sure that's an american bargain. >> another thing we talk about here. social media or otherwise, opt out of it. you can't opt out of facial recognition technology, unless you're walking around with a mask on all the time. >> reporter: that's right. >> shareholding in amazon, where did it come from and what effect, the proposal voted and tomorrow have on the company? >> reporter: a group of small activist shareholders including a religious community in upper state. requiring outside independent recognition of software called recognition. the other prohibits amazon from selling it to government agencies which they do a lot of right now. unless you get special dispensation from a commission that basically would look at the humanitarian and civil rights implications of it. not likely the two will pass but the fact you and i, our lives, influenced by this stuff with no vote about it whatsoever means even this shareholder vote is pretty important. >> our tech correspondent there
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in san francisco, jake ward. one of the best back drops here at the network. good to see you. that wraps up this hour. andrea mitchell is standing by here in new york city. >> and great to see you. thanks so much, craig. right now on "andrea mitchell reports" sound of silence. the trump administration blocks former white house counsel don mcgahn from telling congress what he told robert mueller about the president's attempts to interfere with the russia investigation. >> in short, the president took it upon himself to intimidate a witness who has a legal obligation to be here today. this conduct is not remotely acceptable. >> war games. the iranian foreign minister warns that the u.s. is playing a very dangerous game as top officials head to the hill to brief both houses on the intelligence and the president's iran strategy. >> if they called we would certainly negotiate, but that's going to be up to


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