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that's it for tonight. i'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press" daily. it's "the beat" with ari melber. >> it's great to be here, chuck. thank you very much. good evening to everyone watching from home. we're here in washington on a wild day that continues to reverberate right now. let's begin with a number. three. it took exactly three minutes for the president to storm out of a meeting with congressional leaders claiming he could not discuss infrastructure policy unless congress halted its work overseeing the executive branch. democrat say president trump entered in full stunt mode. refusing to shake any hands and then turned his angry departure into a chance to lash out in public going to the rose garden to release a live tweet storm. vowing to shut down the government until democrats finished the investigation. this clash is full of theater to be sure. but it's theater against a substantive back drop.
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democrats called a hasty meeting. pelosi trying to provide in rhetorical offense what they lack in action on the house floor. launching this accusation against the president. >> would you believe that it is important to follow the facts? we wloef no one is above the law including the president of the united states and we believe the president of the united states is engaged in a cover-up. >> a cover-up. that is what trump responded to during the three-minute meeting. >> inset the of walking in happily into a meeting, i walk into looking at people who have just said that i was doing a cover-up. i don't do cover-ups. >> that is false. what everyone thinks congress should do or not do with the mueller report, it is a very serious evidentiary document. and it shows donald trump and
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his aides lying. sometimes in the form of felonies and obstruction. sometimes in ways that were not charged like lies to cover-up the russia dealings or trump's demand that his lawyer lie about attempt on get mueller fired. i mentioned the last line as another example. it is part of the core of today's clash. and this trump melt down of it is the white house's defiance of latest subpoenas for mcgahn's testimony of turning the rose garden into a kind of a one-time re-enactment about trump's own greatest hits from his twitter feed. >> time most trans parent president probably in the history of this country. this investigation or whatever you want to call it with bob mueller. there was no collusion. no obstruction. jerry nadler who has been an enemy of mine for many years.
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this was a takedown attempt at the president of the united states. >> and then trump quoted himself threatening democrats. >> so i just wanted to let you know that i walked into the room and i told senators schumer, speaker pelosi, want to do infrastructure. more than you want to do it. i would be really good at that. that's what i do. but you know what? you cannot do it under these circumstances. so get these phony vegas over with. >> this was all orchestrated. the podium was literally decorated with planned talking points. the posters were floating around the white house for a while. trump brought props and handouts which democratic minority leader chuck schumer seized on.
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>> it clear this was not a spontaneous move on the president's part. it was manned. he went to the rose garden with prepared signs that had been printed up long before the meeting. >> donald trump has promised to stop all work democrats if it continues. it is speaker pelosi's investigations and her comments that clearly so enrage donald trump and she may yet upset him again this new comment wrapping up today's weird, unusual, angry clash. >> he just took a pass. and it just makes me wonder why he did that. in any event, i pray for the president of the united states of manager. >> praying for him.
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how will he take this news late today that after the clash, after all this drama i just showed you. a big victory for pelosi's strategy. a judge ruling against donald trump and backing house democrats' subpoena for donald trump's bank records. let's be clear, unlike mcgahn or barr, trump has no power to stop banks from complying with this. even for the trump era, this was quite a day in washington. if this day were a duet, the pelosi democrats sound like the one that famously crooned, oh, you mad, huh? oh, you mad, huh? and donald trump sounds a bit like his favorite rap order that same song kanye west who plaintively responds, there go another lawsuit, in court so much, man, i should have went to law school. with me now, heidi, eleanor, and
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juanita tolliver. do you think donald is feeling a little like kanye and wanting more legal experience to deal with all this? >> he has a full team ready to go. i'm sure this decision will be appealed just like the previous one related to his accounting firm. i need a moment to lament the fact that our commander in chief is throwing temper tantrums that ultimately put americans at peril. >> do you think this was a tantrum? or as parents often say, a tanty? or do you think it was fake anger to distract? a little of both. like most's words definitely hit a nerve with him. we know how he feels about being called out in public. the podium, the handouts, he had no intention of walking in and discussing infrastructure and that came through.
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>> pelosi has an uncanny ability to get under trump's skin and he doesn't know how to respond. he hasn't even come up with a nickname for her. i think he really enforced her strategy. she can tick off the number wins that the democrats are getting by moving methodically through the courts. and the president, as you said, he does not have control -- well, he does have control over some of the courts but not the ones that will be deing here. the fact that it was a set-up job. $35 million. in fact it was $25 million and the treasury made a profit because of all of paul manafort's surrendered assets. so i think the president is on a losing course here. and i think most's strategy has been bolstered when she was under stressful she makes the point often that the unity of the democratic caucus is her
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lenk. so keeping everybody together. she's done a masterful job and she ticked off today the meeting, all of the wins that each of the six committee chairman have gotten. they haven't made the headlines and they passed legislation having to do with the problems in the country from drug prices to gun violence. and she did blame the press a little bit saying we are impressed with when impeachment will start and we're not paying attention to what's happening. we should be putting pressure on mitch mcconnell. >> do you feel obsessed? >> i feel obsessed by pretty much everything these days. she said it is fine to internally strategize. but the democrats need outside mobilization. and they need to put the spotlight and the heat on mitch
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mcconnell. the one man who calls himself the grim reaper. he is blocking all of this legislation. it would be nice to pay a little attention to that as well. >> this will play into her strategy. there is a real disagreement and a growing up in of democrats. not just progressives. if you paid attention on what the judiciary committee that, he was sounding like he was ready to go to the impeachment inquiry lane as well. and this morning, the members laid out their arguments on both sides. and then you had the tantrum and these two court rulings. this was the second court ruling that was in favor of democrats strategy. she's been saying the past couple weeks to these restless democrats. will you please wait and let the court process work its will. and we will have victories. and the democrats who have been restive about this have that, no, we can't wait. it will take years. we're seeing that some of these
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are moving pretty quickly. so i think she's able to held to line in terms of defections growing to a critical mass. he's now written his name on whatever lack of progress there is on legislative goals. to your point in the opener, this was all choreographed. not just from this morning when the president went off in a tweet storm. it has been choreographed from a couple days ago when the president said, infrastructure was not his priority. he was really frustrated by the fact he himself couldn't find out how to pay for his own plan. that he wanted to focus on nafta. >> you know how they say, no spoilers. he doesn't have that many moves. and i'm going to take my ball and go home and not do anything.
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or take governing process hostage and hurt. the american people and the citizens and everyone who relies on them to do certain things. he tries out and folds on it. take a long a him right after the election. >> do you expect that when the democrats take over the chairmanship, you'll get hit with a blizzard of subpoenas, from the investigation to your cell phone use to your tax returns. >> then you're going to, if that happens, then we'll do the same thing and government comes to a halt. >> government comes to a halt. >> senator graham was saying, we need leadership. the country needs leadership right now. they're really trying to spent signal to trump. don't do this. you're going to throw everybody under the bus. and this could be a pivot point where you see republicans come out against him even further. >> i'm sorry. it is ironic. we're talking about another
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spending knock down drag out fight that will have to be resolved by spent. and the parallel here is the shutdown. they need to talk and keep the government together. >> it is obvious, he's the one who is the obstructor now. he just took ownership. >> also, i wonder if this cuts against one of the conventional, the articles, you have to get people down to the table. the quote/unquote good old days when everyone hung out together. and i think there is room for that when both sides want to flate good faithful that is a great thing with that as a prerequisite. when you don't have good faith, going to the table is not only a waste of time. it was a lot more than three minutes to get there and leave. it would seem to undercut the
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substance. they said pelosi and schumer arrive at the white house. trump was loaded for bear. did not shake anyone's hand or sit down which is always a sign that your meeting is starting weird. >> i don't think he had a chair. >> he didn't have a chair. >> after just three minutes, he left the room before anyone else could speak. at what point does that validate the arguments, whatever you want to call it. progressives, hard liners, whatever you want to callett. you don't go sit around and be effective lay prop for his tanty. >> i remember there was a lot of pressure on president obama to go make nice with mitch mcconnell. and emhalf jokingly at the white house correspondence dinner, getting all this advice, i should have drinks or dinner or play golf with mitch mcconnell. he said why don't you try that? >> exactly. >> the personal relationship with trump can work with schumer and nancy. it's chuck and nancy.
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he can get along with them of he didn't have a way to pay for $2 trillion infrastructure package. they don't have any serious legislation in this white house. they don't have any of the normal government operations. >> we have a lot of serious stuff. what is the deal with infrastructure? >> infrastructure, the light filled briefcase? it means whatever it wants to mean? >> it shines on you. you never see it but you know it's there. >> you never get to see inside it. at what point do you stop going to infrastructure meetings? >> it is like plastics back in the day of the graduate. >> a new job in plastics. everybody wants infrastructure improvement. everybody sits in their car frustrated. people worry that bridges chancing. it is a pop hard and much needed issue. if you travel to beijing, or you
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travel to where supposedly third world countries, and the airports are better than ours. you understand the disparity. >> everybody wants to find their purpose but that took dustin hoffman some time. >> the democrats would like to find their purpose sooner with government money would fund jobs. and trump would like to have partnerships with his buddies in the real estate world. two different things. >> the problem is under eisenhower. they've all had a federal spending nucleus. this president and his handlers are fundamentally and philosophically opposed to that and by the way it has already been spent a wars and tax cuts. they don't have anything they can offer. >> and he is really shooting himself -- >> hold that thought. thank you for being part of our "a" block. i appreciate it.
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coming up, donald trump losing his subpoena fight for his deutsche bank files. we'll explain. and a new law out tie get part of donald trump's tax returns. and knew reporting from the room where pelosi faced down his own caucus members demanding an impeachment probe. >> he's engaged in a cover-up. and that could be an impeachable offense. >> that's not all. i'm in washington because i sat town with the head of the intelligence committee adam schiff and he made some news. >> i hesitate to call them attorney general. he is more the personal attorney of the president. >> bill barr has all the duplicity of giuliani jrudolph without the good looks. lph giuli without the good looks ♪ ♪ ♪
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make their case, her office released these principles. follow the facts, no one is above the law, and the one that apparently upset the president, accusing him of the most significant cover-up in american history. what was the debate in the room like? we dome know. it was obviously off the record. one member saying impeachment inquiry doesn't change a darn thing. pelosi responding, nothing. another member reportedly openly talking politics. speculating that if they do impeachment, that would make it harder, not easier, to beat the president. the congresswoman serves in the judiciary committee and today she launched this resolution which we have here. offering the judiciary committee to investigate whether significant grounds exist to exercise impeachment power. congressman, thank you for joining me on a busy evening. what does it mean and how does
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it differ from an impeachment probe? let me say the people who represent the people of the united states of america, the rule of law and the constitution. i've dug deep into the rules, the certain provisions allow certain types of resolution. this is a resolution of investigation which the language says that the house instructs judiciary committee to investigate to determine if it should utilize its powers of article one, section two, clause five. it is a two step which i think brings all thought processes together. the importance is this. it gives the seriousness of the purpose. i has the house vote. since 1900, the congress has entrusted the judiciary committee to do the investigations. this does not pre chewed any other committee from continuing
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its investigation. and further, the successes that we recently had in the court decisions, which we know the president will appeal. it is in parallel to the court decisions, the individuals receiving the subpoenas and the calls to testify know that the house of representatives has directed the judiciary committee to do this work. >> so this is less than a full impeachment probe. it could lead to or trigger that. >> it respects all members. and we use a deliberative process. certainly we have provided her with the information about the resolution. that is both protocol and respect. >> i respect that and i respect what you're saying. i guess what i'm asking respectfully is, can you tell us, is this something where you and the speaker are in sync?
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i want to give you a chance to respond to some of the reaction to this which some people are saying, is this speaker pelosi's way to offer something less than the full impeachment probe which was at issue this morning? >> we're not in sync. and it is not something less than. it is just a two step. and it does not preclude someone's inspiration on their own viewpoint. i think it speaks to the enormity of this house and congress. we don't know whether there's any republican member that would join the idea of investigation. we have not coordinated this. she is only received information out of respectful we have not had any coordination because i think that she respects members deliberative thought to come one ideas that will work. this will work. this is a resolution of investigation. >> let me run something else by you. you're on this very pivotal committee right now. this was a colleague of yours estimating how many of you and your members are for an
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impeachment probe in our discussion last night. take a look. >> the jish committee as a whole is for at least an inquiry of impeachment. that's an 80, 90% of the committee is on board to go forward. >> is that right? >> that's probably true. and the resolution of investigation does not negate that but it provides a two-step process, if this were to go to the floor, there would be members with different political perspectives than i would have who would be willing to say you're right. i represent, both voting for it, i can support that. and then we make the determination which will ultimately, as you well know, the articles of impeachment are the prerogative of the house floor to vote on. we act as a sitting indictment committee. meaning the judiciary committee. the language of the resolution begins by saying, it instructs
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the judiciary committee to investigate by way of the house of representatives to determine if we are utilizing our powers of article one, section two, clause five. >> i have about 30 seconds of i want to get out one other thing. we just did the constitution frlg as a mexico of congress, what was your view of the 28 president acted and treated your speaker pelosi in that putative meeting that was not today? >> historic moment that i've never seen. in the last five decades. if you read your history books, you will see it that way. certainly not seen in the last two presidencies of it is unaccept afbl all of russ in rooms with people we vigorously disagree with. but infrastructure is the life line of america. in terms of the energy of the economy. ford has laid off 7,000 persons. some people just shy of
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retirement. and an infrastructure bill might put an infusion of energy into the economy and help save jobs. but you don't mix apples and oranges. i'm sure speaker pelosi would be willing to discuss with him the investigation. her position on that. that investigation should go forward. and he can offer his perspective. but that kind of behavior, and that kind of disrespect, if you will, to an equal branch of government, or maybe one that's more equal. article one. our congress which has the task of representing the american people no matter whoer. and then on the other hand, the executives who we should acknowledge and respect. that has to be a two-way street. i'm saddened by what happened today. we are doing what the mueller report provided. volume i and ii. volume ii said i have nine matters. we have no other task and no other way but toboro the investigation and i encourage members to look at the
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resolution of the investigation. it does provide the opportunity to investigate and to move to the next step. >> i have wanted to get you on that. thank you so much i turn to my new interview. first in 30 seconds, a federal judge rejecting donald trump's efforts to keep financial records secret. ial records secret pills? flonase relieves your worst symptoms pills? including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. most pills only block one. flonase. ♪work so hard give it everything you got♪ ♪strength of a lioness tough as a knot♪ ♪rocking the stage and we're never gonna stop♪ ♪all strength, no sweat... just in case you forgot♪ ♪all strength, no sweat... ♪no no no sweat... that other news rattling the trump white house, the federal judge issuing a ruling packing
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the democrat subpoena, rejecting his effort to halt it. unless a higher court steps in, this means trump is getting crushed on multiple fronts. this is his second straight offer to defy subpoenas. legislatively, new york state laws passing a new bill requiring congress to get his state returns upon request. and then the executive branch which donald trump runs but doesn't completely control within our system of government. it turns out, the experts at the irs contradict the administration's claim the treasury second can just ignore congressional reports for tax returns which was a hot topic at his hearing today. >> did you discuss the memorandum with anybody inside the white house, outside the white house? i'm referring to legal counsel. i'm referring to lawyers. i'm referring to advisers. >> let me be clear. the only person i've discussed with is my general counsel on the car ride over who is sitting
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behind me. >> you are aware the conclusion of that memo districtly contradicts the conclusion you're relying on. >> i don't believe that's the case. >> joining no discuss, david corn from mother jones and eleanor back with me. what does this mean? >> the big picture, i don't know what the rap terminology would be. >> commas. >> the circle is closing. he likes to say time most trans parent president ever. he's actually the least transparent president ever. and before the election, $300 million in loans to deutsche bank. a foreign institution that has been in trouble for not quite money laundering but doing funny things with russian money and up against u.s. regulators. >> and not funny ha ha. >> no. the conflict of interest is
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gigantic. whether it is looking at deutsche bank, at his taxes. he has limited liability. we know nothing about any of they will. we know very little about his finances overall and how he supported himself and even now, because he hand given up the trump organization with money from overseas. >> you wonder why they're looking at steve mnuchin. everyone's 401(k) in the stock market and the financing. looking like the only thing he needs to do is to defend trump's tax returns. this was in the hearing. >> when you say the american people have the right to know what is in those tax forms? do you know what he's hiding? he doesn't want anybody to see him. >> i don't think he's hiding anything. so you don't know. >> i don't know anything about
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his tax reforms. >> he is riding something. i think returns the. every major candidate has put it out. we have the tax returns for the clintons because they both rap at different points in time. i think going back to the 1970s in the public record. he keeps saying he's been audited. then give us the taxes from ten years ago. you cannot. the "new york times" did a story saying his whole family avoided taxes to the tune of $4 million. eventually it will hit a wall. right? go through the court system and the judge will decide whether this phony argument of the white house that you can't ask for this stuff is real or not. and they will order mnuchin or the irs director to produce the tax returns. and what happens if they say no? >> well, depends how many sources there are. you can also go to the outside auditors. eleanor, david says it will hit a wall. and one of the beautiful things in our system, i believe, is
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that wall is parchment. and the founders gave this a lot of thought. that's why there is more than one branch. we heard today from several members of congress who that bill barr is starting to cooperate more. a little more with the intelligence committee. the multiple third branch, judiciary branch rulings enforcing the subpoenas is it putting heat. >> i think these cabinet officials, plus the individuals on the outside, no longer work for the government. at some appointment, their own self-interest will come in to play. i'm not saying they'll do a michael cohen and flip. but i think they won't stand undivided and protect this man. i want to go back. she is suggesting there will be a florida vote. that will be partisan lines. maybe we should get one
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republican. you cannot wage war in a democracy if you do not have public support. and these court rulings, this step by step squeezing of the administration is going to explain to the american people what is wrong and yes should not be in office. that may take into 2020. i think it is what he is advocating. and i think it is beginning to pay off. i'm so looking forward to understanding yes did not want to us see his tax returns. i would like to know how much money he personally made because of the tax cuts that he pushed through. they' there are wonderful pieces of information that can be politicizedweaponized, i have to argue. >> thanks to both of you. david tweets about this every
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day. >> almost every day. >> almost. >> when we come back, we'll go in a different direction. looking at the echos of the nixon era and some of trump's threats. and now's on bill barr and whether rod rosenstein will testify and why that made headlines. what does help for heart failure look like?
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for all the stone walling and delaying for the trump white house against this congress, this morning began with take a look an unusual headline. bill barr's doj saying it agrees to share some mueller evidence with the house intelligence committee. "the new york times" reporting that responding is a sharp contrast to their clash with democrats on other committees like judiciary. so that apparently breakthrough came after intelligence chair adam schiff making him quite the news maker today.
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he owed up about those negotiations when i interviewed him this morning at the central for american conference. he also unloaded on mr. barr right out of the gate. >> i hesitate to call the attorney general. he is more the personal attorney for the president. you see the argument -- >> what do you mean? you don't think he deserves the title anymore? >> no. i think bill barr has all the duplicity of rudolph giuliani without the good looks and a general likable of rudolph giuliani. >> i'm joined by the central for american progress. what did you think of that? for schiff, very strong language. very strong but very clear. he doesn't think he deserves the ag title. he says he maze for an audience of one, and that's trump. we saw it in his summary of the mueller report which mueller says he mischaracterizes so the
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evidence is there. >> he is actually doubling down on that heat while getting a concession the judiciary hand gotten yet. >> got a concession but only after. we saw it where the accounting firm was ruled that they must hand over the records. >> you make great point. it is in his own self-interests if he doesn't want a worse loss in public. something else to ask you about, i discussed the whole rod rosenstein saga with congressman schiff. i'm not just mentioning this because i interviewed schiff. it made news already. you see here on the screen. they came out of what adam schiff told me here about making rosenstein potentially testify. take a look. >> look. i think james comey came very close to the critique of rod rosenstein.
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he was not strong enough. someone made the observation, and i don't recall who the writer was, it doesn't corrupt. it reveals who you are. and i think for bill barr, it has revealed who bill barr is. i think for rod rosenstein, it has revealed who rod rosenstein is. and i think rod simply wanted his job too much and was willing to make too many accommodations to keep that job. >> do you think the congress should call or subpoena mr. rosenstein to further explain that very controversial memo which is the origin of the mueller probe? >> i think he should be brought before the judiciary xhoe. we are taking steps along that regard. >> i have to ask what are those steps? are you telling us today that you have requested rosenstein testify to the house intelligence committee? >> i'm not prepared to comment. >> would it be reasonable to say
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you've already requested it? >> this does feel like a deposition. it would be more than reasonable and for him to come testify before congress. >> i'm sorry but it felt like a depo. the bottom line is the full context. not just us. for the first time he's confirming it. >> chairman schiff was very clear with the fact they're taking steps. i want to dig in a couple of things. >> what he knew at the time he wrote it. even looking back to the change when it was a republican led house and now democratic led house. >> i want to turn to another issue of never compare anything.
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i think it is the opposite. part of my job which i try to do is not just fold and normalize. so if another president, say,to in the "new york times" to be considering pardoning convicted war criminals, charged with murder, convicted of war crimes, convicted of, i'll say it again, urinating on the deceased bodies of other soldiers. i don't think it would be a side story or a mentionable of i think it would be one of the biggest scandals for weeks. i think there would be whole committees just looking into that. we discussed a lot of issues. i also pressed him on this report that we've been covering on our show. and this was his response to the potential pardons for war crimes. take a look. >> the dang would it do would be incalculab incalculable. if you say nice things about me, if you have my back, i'll have
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yours. the law be damned. and it is just part and parcel of the most serious attack on the rule of law and our democracy. certainly in my lifetime. >> one thing that representative schiff made very clear, there are limitations to the president's power to pardon. he does not wield that without any type of course correction. and i think schiff has already made legislation to wheel that in. it is still very troubling that the president operates in this way of, have my back. i'll have yours. it is a signal he sends out numerous times. it is not normal not to have a president looking at by a memorial day deadline, pardoning war crimes, without saying, here's one that maybe we got wrong
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wrong. >> always great to have you. up ahead, speaker pelosi accusing donald trump of the cover-up and the epic clash. and then she sat down to explain it all for an exclusive interview with my next guest. hmm. exactly. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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this president isbrooking justice he is and engaged in a cover-up. and that could be an impeachable
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offense. the cover-up is frequently worse than the crime. >> today speaker pelosi enpresident trump, accusing him of that cover-up. the she joins me live right now after a big day. >> great for being here. lots of news. >> did you know when you scheduled this speaker pelosi would be leaving a three-minute meeting at the white house to address your conference? >> no we scheduled this actually months ago. so, i want to send my personal thanks to donald trump for having a tantrum that engendered a lot of news and interest in the center for american progress. which isn't generally what his focus is. so i'm grateful. >> what do you think was important about that you learned from her today? >> i think that the most important thing is, there is a big debate around impeachment
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and how they proceed. i think it's important that she, she really talked about the offenses he's had and how they could be impeachable offense himself. what i felt was also is really interesti interesting, she walked through the jurisdiction of all the committees and where those cases are and is trying to lay, i think what she's trying to tell people she's depending on the rule of law to work, for these courts to actually force the hand of the president. >> people know you, you served in the clinton-obama administration. >> i did. >> you have a lot of experience. barack obama administration was relentlessly investigated on some issues that involved serious things. there were people that lost their lives in benghazi and other issues that turned object to be nothing, like the allegations the irs was targeting people. i watched that, in the end they weren't. barack obama never took the position that people's business or governance would have to
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stop. here's what speaker pelosi ted to you about that today. >> he came that the room and said he was engaged in a coverup and he couldn't possibly, couldn't possibly engage in a conversation on infrastructure as long as we are investigating him. now, we have been investigating him since we took the majority. so there is nothing new in that. >> that's how she put it and for your analysis, we did check and even during the darkest days of richard nixon will show the legislation that actually did happen. some of it would be considered centered left today, protecting endangered species. they worked on the budget, the war powers resolution, which is the reaction of the overreach of vietnam. what is your analysis of how that applies? >> i think it was fascinating about the president's response i actually served during the clinton administration during the monica lewinsky scandal and
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impeachment. if you remember bill clinton was famous for trying to compartmentalize. what that meant was he was trying to do the work of people. working on child care, patient's bill of rights. his goal was to communicate to people. despite these investigation of me, i am still your president. i am still focused on your problems and if you remember, that kept his approval rating up during all of the scandal. >> before i let you go, what do you think is the most important thing for speaker pelosi and house democrats to legislate before this next election? . >> i think the next important thing is donald trump is communicating to the american people he doesn't care about the public issues. i think he is going to actually weaken his hand on impeachment issue. there is nothing else he is going to get to or focused on is his own self. >> what should they pass? >> i think the most important thing for her is to continue the oversight. donald trump is demonstrating that it is getting to him.
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>> that he's worried about his poll numbers. >> that he's worried about public approval collapsing. she has the upper hand and leverage. i have to say in my interview with her right after this event, she felt she had the upper happened against donald trump. >> it was striking. i saw more than one newschannel el keeping nothing on twitter to keep a close eye i think it's tantigate, whether that was great scheduling. >> it was all a master plan. i'm association did i not say that earlier? it was all a master plan. >> always great to talk to you. great, thanks for being here. up ahead, a new charge against attorney general michael after note relating to stormy daniels when we come back.
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. one more piece of news we wanted to report for you tonight. federal prosecutors in new york filing brand-new charges against attorney michael after noafte a noet /* /- avenotti. he has now been accused of more
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than three dozen crimes. he has denied all of these charges. >> that discuss it from me. i will see you back here tomorrow night 6:00 p.m. eastern. don't go anywhere. "hardball" with chris matthews is next. >> my way or the highway. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. love me or leave me that's what president trump told top leaders today. you are right, he is angry. the president threatened to end all discussions on all legislation as long as there are investigations on him. he stormed out to go to the rose garden to blame everything wrong in the country on the


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