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so vital. for without our heroes, we might find ourselves vulnerable to our villains because they, too, are part of the american scene on this memorial day of the year 2019. and that's "hardball" for now. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> a lot of americans are extremely distrutful of our government. there's a lot of work the restore that trust. >> we need leader smip will start talking about our common bonds, our common pain and return us to a common purpose. >> from criticism of the president's domestic agenda -- >> it is really hard to understand trump's logic or the way he works. >> calls to impeachment for obstruction of justice. >> there is no political convenience exception to the constitution of the united states of america. >> we talk to some of the front-runners for the democratic
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nomination. >> this democracy is under attack, unlike any other time in the history of our country. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. believe it or not, we are just a month away from the first democratic presidential debate. it will be hosted right here with msnbc and telemundo. as we get ready for that first should have, we're looking back at some of my interviews with the candidates. we begin with senator elizabeth warren, one of the only leading democrats to call for the president to be impeach in the weighing of the mueller report. earlier this month after mitch mcconnell attempted on declare case closed, senator warren took to the floor in defings of the cover- cover-up. she did so by reading some of the most damning parts of the
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mueller report. >> if any other human being in this country had done what is documented in the mueller report, they would be arrested and put in jail. the majority leader doesn't want to us consider the mountain of evidence against the president. that is wrong. this is not a fight i wanted to take on but this is the fight in front of us now. this is not about politics. this is about the constitution of the united states of america. we took an oath not to try to protect donald trump. we took an oath to protect and serve the constitution of the united states of the america. the way we do that is we begin impeachment proceedings now. against this president. >> and senator elizabeth warren, democrat from massachusetts, and 2020 presidential candidate, joins me now. you spent about 40 minutes today on the floor of the senate reading portions of the mueller
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report. why did you do that in. >> well, i didn't wake up this morning saying let's go to the floor and talk about the mueller report. but let's keep in mind, mitch mcconnell came in and just kept saying, no, no, no. everything is over. case closed. we're done. and no. we're not. you know, when the mueller report came out, i sat down to start to read it. i read all day into the night. into the wee hours of the morning and finished up the next day. and after i finished 448 pages, i realized three things that were just unmistakable in that report. part one, a hostile foreign government attacked our 2016 elections in order to help donald trump get elected. part two, donald trump as a candidate welcomed that help. and part three, when our federal government tried to investigate parts one and two, donald trump did everything he could to
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derail, push aside and otherwise obstruct that investigation. and mueller makes these facts absolutely clear in his report. it is pretty clear when you read it, that the only reason as i read it that he did not actually bring an indictment. he clearly has all facts. he was following the justice department of the trump administration saying a sitting president cannot be criminally indicted. but he served up on a silver platter all of those facts to the united states congress. because in a constitutional system, with checks and balances, it is up to congress to make sure that the president is not above the law. so when mitch mcconnell today took to the floor, and that, case over, case over, we're done. no. we are not. no. and it's time to stand up and say so.
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>> here's my question. in terms of what next, right? there's this very intense debate happening. you can see it happening publicly in an almost agonizing fashion about what to do about this. what are the next steps. you have said impeachment proceedings should begin. what do you say to people who say that is politically dangerous. public opinion is running 56 to 30. and you're walking into a trap. >> there is no political convenience exception to the constitution of the united states of america. there are some things that are bigger than politics. this one is a poichb principle. if the united states congress fails to step up when they've been handed facts, like the facts handed to us in the mueller report, then that changes the relationship between the president and the congress. not just for now but for the next president and the next
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president and the next president. >> i'm wondering, you're someone who has studied, written about, looked at the ways in which people and institutions in power can get away with a lot and not be held accountable. we saw it happened with finance institutions. it is something on your work. i wonder if you see a connection between that and what we're faced with now as a country. >> absolutely. because this really is about accountability. the constitution of the united states provided for separation of powers so that congress, just to use the words. could hold the president accountable. if he did something like, that obstructed justice. more than 600 federal prosecutors, republicans and democrats, people from urban areas and rural areas, people from all across the country
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looked at this and that, if he were anyone other than president of the united states, what is shown in the report is enough for a criminal indicted. that means it comes to congress. we have to step up and say, the president is accountable. no more. cannot do it. >> there are some who take the view. i believe amy klobuchar if i'm not mistaken. because of the way impeachment works, it is a majority vote in the house and then goes to the senate for removement where it is a two-thirds vote. that the senate is a kind of jury. and as such, should stay arm's length from making determinations on the merits about the president's conduct. what do you think of that idea? are you out ahead of things if you're saying impeachment proceedings should begin.
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>> it begins in the house. that's what is in the constitution. somebody has to stand up and ripping the bell and say read the mueller report. i don't care if you're a democrat or a republican. read the mueller report on obstruction. as the more than 600 federal prosecutors that, there it is. the criminal indictment is right in front of us. mueller made clear that all the elements are there for obstruction. criminal obstruction. in multiple incidents. congress cannot cover its ears and close its eyes and pretend this isn't happening. this is about what kind of a country we are. we swore not just to protect donald trump. we swore to protect the constitution of the united states of america. and that is what is called for here. >> you talk about mitch mcconnell on the floor today. i think there's a widespread view that i think is probably
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correct. that there's just no way there are 66 votes in that body with a majority of republicans to remove the president. and as such, since we know that, that is a political given, going through the motions is a waste. what do you say to that? >> i don't see that it way at all. i think we should have the impeachment proceeding and assuming that the house votes for impeachment and sends it to the senate, then every single person in congress house and senate, should be required to look at the evidence in front of us and declare. you think that's okay for a president of the united states or you don't. take a vote and then live with that vote for the rest of your life. >> all right. senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts. thank you for making time tonight. >> thank you. >> on the day the mueller report was released almost four weeks after the attorney general put out his distorted four-page sum rirgs i spoke to kamala harris
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about the findings of the report itself as well as william barr's remarkable press conference attempting to whitewash the president's misconduct. >> my reaction begins with the first events of this morning which were that press conference. and as a former attorney general, i ran, chris, the second largest department of justice in the united states. the california department of justice. second only to the united states department of justice. and i take seriously, as i know most prosecutors do, the responsibility that we have to be impartial. and to do the work of justice and do it on behalf of the people. and that means understanding, in this case, general barr, which i believe failed to understand, that he is not the president's personal lawyer. he represents us. the american public. but what we saw today was a display of anything but impartiality.
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what we saw was a display of partisanship. he might as well have been in the white house press conference room as the spokesperson for the president when he introduced the subject of today's discussions. thomas jefferson is quoted on the front page of the department of justice's webb talking about the importance of impartiality and the portion of the justice system. so one of my big takeaways from today is that there has been a great disservice done to what is otherwise a source of pride for us as a democracy which is the integrity of our justice system. i think that our justice system and the integrity of that justice system took a real blow today with the presentation of general barr and his four-page summary weeks ago. >> part of that four-page summary was the attorney general stepping in to reach the conclusion on obstruction. it is clear from the report that was not what the report does.
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it sort of leaves it open. page 22 of the report. i'll read you this and i want to get your response. the conclusion that congress may fly obstruction laws to the president's corrupt exercise of the powers of office accords with our constitutional system of checks and balances and the principle that no person is above the law. what do you see as congress' role in light of this report? >> well, congress has many roles. but first and foremost, the rule of oversight. and i am looking forward to general barr coming before the judiciary committee. i think that has been scheduled for may 1st. i strongly believe that also, bob mueller should be requested to come before congress and testify about the process of that investigation and share with us the underlying facts support his summary. because we have a responsible as an independent co-equal branch of government, the united states congress, to make sure that the american public is receiving
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justice and fairness through this process. >> i want to read you something, steny hoyer, the number two in the congress, a come evening yours, a democrat on the other side. he said based on what we've seen to date going forward on impeachment is not worth while at this point. very frankly, there is an election in 18 months and the american people will make a judgment. do you agree? >> i think there is definitely a conversation to be had on that sub. first i want to hear from bob mueller and really, what exactly is the evidence that supports the summary that we have been given today. >> what is your understanding of this president's execution of his oath of office and his relationship to the law based on what we have learned publicly and what is contained in the report today? >> i think that this president
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has not fulfilled the responsible of the president of the united states. to use his position in a way that is about he 58thing public discourse, about projecting the values of us as a nation. we have seen incredible acts of self-service but very few acts that have been in the interests of public service from this president. and i think he is a grave disappointment. >> finally, i guess, a question of how you see this, obviously you deed to run for president. should you win, you would have the role this president has. how does this inform how you think about the campaign in terms of how central you see the president's actions here, the case you're making to the american people and how you would conduct yourself in office? >> i'll tell you. i was talking with my team about it. and one of the things that i think is critically important, we elevate public discourse and
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r really have a conversation about the ideals and the goals and the values of who we are as a country. so part of how i think about what we have just witnessed, is that we have a lot to do to restore the importance of truth and justice in our country. it has taken a real beating. and when i think about what we need to do going forward. any of us, whether we're running for president of the united states or not. we've got to acknowledge the truth that right now, there are a lot of americans other are extremely distrustful of our government, the institutions and leaders. and there is a lot of work to do to restore the trust. what we have seen in the last today, and then frankly, in the last two years and some months, has i think, done real harm to the importance of the american public and our allies around the world, trusting us, and that we will always defend concepts of justice and democracy. >> all right.
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snmp the whole world was watching the mueller report. the justice department was busy filing a formal appeal. it is an action that bernie sanders and democratic candidate finds inexplicable. >> it is really hard to understand trump's logic or the way he works. why he think that's throwing 32 million people off the health care they have, ending the
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protections of pre-existing conditions, doing away with the ability of young people to get haack on their parents insurance policy why he think that's makes any sense, or yes thinks that is good politics is beyond my comprehension. i will tell you what we are going to do. and i think we are moving aggressively and effectively. our antidote to what he is talking about is to have the united states drawing every other major country on earth through a medicare for all single payer program guaranteeing health care to every man, woman and child in the country. if there are not two different approaches to health care, that what trump is proposing, that i have not seen differences of opinion. >> i want to follow up on that. one of the reasons, i've watched a bunch of health care fights. i watched the aca fight. if there is a common line in them, it is status quo bias.
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people are scared of change and with good reason. changing herring is terrifying. i guess i'm not quite convinced, the idea that you need to meet him with some alternative. when people are in a defensive crouch about this frontal assault on what they have. >> i don't quite agree with you. i think there is profound disgust in a health care system which is by far the most expensive in the world. double what other countries are paying. where we have 34 million people without any health insurance. even more underinsured. where the pharmaceutical industry is ripping us off every day. charging us by far. the highest prices in the world. where you have insurance companies and drug companies making billions and billions of dollars in profit. paying their ceos outrageous compensation packages. i think the american people want something that's stable.
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>> yes. >> medicare for all is the most popular health care, health insurance program in the country. it is not a radical idea. over a four-year period to expand it to the rest of the population. >> something else happened today that i wanted to get your reaction to. a vote. the first ever war powers resolution rebuke of a president passed out of both houses in the senate and the house. the bipartisan basis to withdraw u.s. involvement in the saudi war in yemen. you failed to veto override in the united states senate. what happens now? >> well, i want to say, chris, so all your viewers understand it. what is going on in yemen is the worst humanitarian disaster on the face of the planet. the u.n. estimates, if this war continues by the end of this year, 200,000 people, mostly children, will be dead. if it continues beyond that, there will be massive famine and millions of people will die.
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this war has got to end. the united states cannot continue. it is causing so much horror in thatmpoverished country. we lost the vote to override trump's veto. what we have done is for the first time, as you've indicate, had resolutions pass the house and the senate through the war powers act which is 45 years over. first time we've been successful in doing that. and let me be very clear. this is the beginning of the process. not the end. what you are going to see is kind of conservative members of the senate. people like mike lee, who actually understand that it is the constitution tells us, that it is congress that declares war. not the president. work with progressives, bring more people on board. you will see us expand this effort to take a look at more wars and make sure that congress
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reestablishes its constitutional authority. >> you said since the china trade deal i voted against, america has lost over 3 million manufacturing jobs. that appeared to be a response to something joe biden said. i want to play that and then ask you if in fact you're responding. >> china is going to eat our lunge. come on, man. they can't even figure out how to deal with the fact that they have this great division between the china sea and the mountains in the east. i mean, in the west lt they can't figure out how they're going to deal with the corruption that exists within the system. you know, they're not bad folks, but guess what? they're not competition for us. >> so were you responding tt
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former vice president with that tweet? >> if you don't tell anybody else, chris. >> clearly you were. >> the point that i wanted to make, i happen to believe our trade policies over the years have been disasters for workers in this country. if you add the job losses as a result of nafta, which joe voted for. joe is a friend of mine and we'll have this policy discussion in a very civil way. but joe voted for nafta. he voted with china and the two trade policies together. you're probably talking about the loss of more than 4 million jobs. and a race to the bottom in this country where many employers lowered wages and threatened their workers. if they didn't like it, they would move to china or mexico. i happen to think that china, obviously, one of the fastest growing economies in the world over the last 20 years. and i think that we need a trade policy with china that is based
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on principles of fairness. not on fettered free trade. >> to give a version of what the vice president seemed to be saying. it seemed to me, this is not a zero sum proposition in the way donald trump thinks about it. he says any game by anyone else is a loss for us. a gain for china is a loss for us. a gain for mexico. that seems like a bad way of thinking the global economy works. china and the u.n. can grow together. >> absolutely. and china deserves credit. if i'm not mistaken. china has done a better job in wiping out desperate levels of poverty over a 30, 40-year period than any country in history and they deserve credit for that. i am not anti-china. we have to establish trade policies which do not allow corporate america to simply shut down in this country and refuse to pay workers here a decent
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wage and move to countries around the world where they're paying pennies an hour. and one of the things i would do. use the lenk of the federal government to say to those profitable companies, if you want to move abroad and then think you'll get federal contracts, you might want to think again. we want you to be a good corps citizen and not just treat your workers in a disparaging and disdainful way. >> all right. 2020 did a, thank you for making time tonight. >> thank you. still to come, cory book order his man for the presidency and beto o'rourk on his plan for the plan he. stay with us he. stay with us oh! oh!
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democratic candidates have largely focused on policy, it is hard to ignore the rhetoric coming from the oval office. i spoke to cory booker in the wake of the synagogue and christchurch mosque shootings and asked about the relationship. >> we know what we have now.
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it is no illusions from his failure to condemn white nazis marching in virginia to even the way he seems to have different standards for different groups in america. the way he talks about african-americans, the way he talks about women and clearly the language he's had from several countries that has been contributing to what we see is a rise in hate crimes. i think there's something even deeper going on than just about him. i worry about a the contractic party that makes this all about one guy and one office. when you don't pay attention to the deeper tribalism in our country, the need for moral grace and decency in our country. a lot of problems i deal with, i live in an inner city neighborhood below the poverty line. a whack and brown communities. to me it is a subject of a lack of empathy for the pain and struggle going on with so many. i've said many times, the
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opposite of justice is not only injustice, it is apathy and inaction. and we as a country need to have that revival of grace and empathy so we can begin to come together and deal with persistent injustices. >> what does that mean as politics? as a spiritual calling, i can hear that. what does it mean in politics given is the structural realities of the moment. >> i always said, patriotism is a love of country. it is sacrifice and struggle. when your kids don't have access to clean water. when someone else's kids don't have access to clean water. your children may be bereft of their successes. so what i say is when policy, it is creating the beloved community that we think, if you're an american, we are eninvestigated in each other. you have a try it clean water or health care. you should have jobs that pay a
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living wage. so your family doesn't get evicted every few months because you can't meet basic rental payments. so there is a person that once said, what does love look like? it is justice. we have so many americans struggling. i live in a community with two super fights around us. as many low income americans do. many african-americans do. we don't have an urgency. it shows children born around those sites have dramatically higher rates of birth defects, of autism. so for us to not have a sense of common purpose to deal with these injustices. that is a tangible policy problem. >> that analysis seems to show the description of power. it seem like two things happening. there are certain people who don't want to be.
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there is powerful interest that they don't want to have the super fund cleaned up. >> we cannot forget the instruction of history. we know the power of people is greater than the power. we've seen demagoguery, we've seen hate before. how did we beat bill connor? by being bigger fire hoses and bigger dogs? or by doing the kind of demand that expanded the moral imagination and got people off their couch and to join marches. we're in a moment where poverty is the biggest threat to our country is not the material poverty which is a sin in society. but the poverty of compassion and empathy. we need leadership that doesn't just condem the minority of our country that might be doing bad things.
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but awakens our country when good people come together. >> is that your theory of why kory booker should be president? >> we cannot be in a moment when we're looking for one savior to get rid of one guy from office. this has to be about a larger campaign. we get rid of donald trump and put a really great person in and then go back to what we were doing. the problems of my inner city neighborhood are still going to be. there i'm running not just for an office and one election. i want to waken a moral movement. we again to see the suffering and the inadequacies. turning people in farm town and factory towns and inner cities. we can be the nation we say we are. >> what would be your first priority as president of the united states? say you're elect and say the democrats were to take the house and the senate. so you have a teed up domestic
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policy. you get to move one big bill first. what is the first bill? >> you say my first priority. i'm not waiting until january to turn to the democratic party and say enough already. we need to go back to being a 50-state party. texas is a blue state. georgia is a blue state. and the next time, they should see people coming into their neighborhoods. i'm going to be elected and a party that's not interested in beating rerepublicans. it is by uniting americans for the cause of justice. and we'll start building in the grassroots. that's how you win. so i understand that eave legislative agenda. from common sense things. to rejoining the paris climate accords. i can give you many things. many i can do with a stroke of a pen and not even wait for congress. this has to be, understanding, this is a moral moment.
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this will affect the next generation of americans. and we've lost something. we've become a society where people mistake wealth for worth. celebrity for significance. folks are struggling for a sense of meaning and feel like they've hossa the sense of dmut. so this is a great country. you know the history. there is an entire political party. bits anti-immigration called the no nothings. when we created larger rainbow coalition that's help our country to get back on track. to see each other. to see the vulnerable, the left behind. enough of the deep tribalism we need leadership that will bring the common pain and common purpose. >> i want to ask but a piece on today in the new york magazine.
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it was called wall street democrats are absolutely freaking out about the 2020 candidates. it was expressing some consternation among folks on wall street. they're worried about bernie sanders. they're worried about elizabeth warren. is it good or bad if wall street is freaking out about democratic candidates? >> you know, look. i think highlights like that are distractions from the purpose we need. to have a tax code that reflects our values. should people who work for hedge funds pay less in taxes than people who teach our children in public schools? when you step back and talk about a moral economy that a lot of the things that we have right now just don't hold. when you talk about empowering seniors who are trying to retire. i think they're unifying themes. you find folks who get painted with broad brushes who buy into that. you might be surprised when,
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king walked the a moral voice. susan b. anthony talked with a moral voice. we again need to be a party that states clearly what our values are and our standards are. and then calls the whole country together to support those values. we are in the majority. those people who want an economy that is a moral economy. we are in the majority. those of houston believe in health care being a right. it is about time we lead with our values and calling america to come together around them. those people left out on the margins. we'll leave them behind or they'll join us. coming up, defying expectations in the senate. why beto o'rourke says he's the person who should be the democratic candidate for president democratic candidate for presiden
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missouri record flooding. in fact, the greatest flooding since we've been keeping records on the missouri river. this is not caused by god. this is not an act of mother nature. this is due to our own emissions, our own excesses and inaction in the face of that. these fires, these floods, these droughts, these storms are just going to get exponentially worse unless we change course now. so very happy to announce today the most ambitious plan on climate in this country's history ensuring that by 2050 we get to net zero greenhouse gas emissions and that we are half way there by 2030 which is just a little bit more than ten years from now. but on day one of our administration we are going to be cutting pollution not just rejoining the paris climate agreements, which is important, but ensuring that we reduce methane, which is many times more dangerous as a greenhouse gas than carbon monoxide. we're going to restrict any future drilling on public lands
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and public waterways. we're also going to ensure that existing drilling leases reflect the cost of pollution and the price to our planet of the release of carbon monoxide. we're also going to ensure that there is certainty for this country for our economy on our goals to make sure that not just energy, not just electricity, but every sector of the economy is contributing toward the 2030 and 2050 goals. lastly and maybe most importantly having just visited the central valley of california which is bearing the brunt of climate change consequences we're going to make sure those communities, very often low income and communities of color, are able to be lifted up in this plan to be made more resilient against future fires and floods and droughts and storms and have a leading role in making sure this country meets this challenge with the most ambitious, aspirational response possible. >> i haven't gotten a chance to talk to you since you did
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announce you're running for president. we've talked before in your senate campaign and as a member of congress. i want to ask you a question i've asked every candidate i have on the program which is of the tens of millions of adults constitutionally eligible to be president of the united states, over 35 and u.s. natural born citizens why should you, beto o'rourke, be the president of the united states? >> i think the series of challenges we have before us, the gravest of our lifetimes, millions unable to get health care, millions living in the shadow of deportation including more than a million dreamers in this country who should be made u.s. citizens. an economy that works too well for too few and not well enough for the vast majority of our fellow americans. in this threat of climate change, if you think of how divided this country is we need someone who can unify people across the differences toward these common aspirations and goals. on the el paso city council not as a democrat or republican but as an el pasoan getting things
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done, as a member of congress in the minority working across the aisle to accomplish things for those whom i represented, campaigning in every single county in the state of texas for the u.s. senate and though we didn't win getting more votes than any democrat in history, winning 500,000 republican votes on the same ballot they voted for greg abbott, helping two new u.s. members of congress win what were thought to be safe republican seats, 17 african-american women elected to judicial positions of public trust in harris county, changing the face of criminal justice reform in our most diverse city, i've shown that i can go everywhere, talk to everyone, with the courage of my convictions on a proud, progressive agenda. but when the vote is not just of democrats, not just of independents which we did but also of republicans to find that common cause to advance this country's agenda. >> let me just say, that is maybe a persuasive argument about your skill as a politician
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but i mean running the country, governing the country. i mean, this is the hardest job probably in the world. it is probably too hard for any single individual truth be told. >> i agree with that. >> why are you ready to do that? maybe that's why you'd be good in the stump and obviously campaigned extremely well in texas but to actually be president of the united states particularly when we have a president now who had no real experience for the job in many ways and many people think that has been a huge part of the problem. >> i'll tell you, beyond the campaign we ran in texas, beyond my service in congress, on the city council, being a small business owner, creating jobs in a city that was desperate for them, i live on the u.s./mexico border at a time this president has trained the focus of the country on the u.s./mexico border. with other community leaders, led the march to bring attention and change policy though we were not in the white house, we were
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not part of the administration, we got the administration to stop separating kids from their parents. along with the people of el paso helped shut down the tornado tent shelter. i can tell a profoundly positive story about immigrants and their contribution not just to our economy, not just to our culture and our way of life but to our safety and our security. el paso one of the safest cities in the united states of america 20 years running not despite the fact we are a city of immigrants but because we are a city of immigrants. we can go toe to toe and then some with donald trump on this issue based in the facts but telling a compelling, emotional story about who we are as a country. that's not based on fear or meanness or racism. it's based on our common identity, our ambitions, our aspirations, the work, the service, and sacrifice we will employ to get them done. >> you know, among democratic candidates and folks in the democratic party and broad to the center left there are sort of two different ways of
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thinking about donald trump. one is kind of an anomaly, this is not normal, this is some vast departure from the sort of main through line of what the american political system had been. the other is a kind of culmination, right, the symptom not the cause. and people i think come down in different parts on this. joe biden says he sort of sees him as an anomaly. elizabeth warren kind of a symptom. where do you come down on that? how do you understand this president in this moment? >> i'll tell you just from listening to people across texas and now across the country, more than 110 town hall meetings have answered more than 650 questions. people understand that their government no longer represents or reflects them. that members of congress are beholden to political action committees and corporations and special interests. that their voices are drowned out if they're ever heard at all coming from a state that ranked
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50th in voter turnout because people were drawn out to vote, i understand their anger and the frustration at not addressing high drug prices or the need to work two or three jobs to make ends meet. things are not getting better despite people's participation in elections. so going everywhere, listening to everyone, showing up in every single place, both with the courage of our convictions, never trimming our sales, saying what we mean, but also listening to and learning from people and reflecting that in how we campaign and how we deliver, that's the key to getting this government working again. this democracy is under attack unlike any other time in the history of our country both from without the country of russia, from within, a president who does not acknowledge these attacks, and a corruption of our institutions by those who can purchase, influence, and increasingly outcomes. this campaign that does not accept pac money, that does not write anybody off, that does not take anybody for granted, this
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is the answer to more democracy that can come up with the solutions to the challenges that we face. >> all right. beto o'rourke 2020 democratic presidential candidate. thanks for making some time tonight. >> thanks for having me on. >> that is all for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts now. >> thanks for being with us this hour. it's great to have you here. in 2016 there were so many people running for the republican nomination for president that year that for the republicans' first presidential debate in 2016 the fox news channel, that hosted that debate, they found themselves in a little bit of a pickle. fox was hosting the first republican primary debate. but there were so many people running in the republican primary that fox news felt just logistically that they couldn't put them all on the stage at once. they couldn't put all of the candidates in the debate. there were just too many candidates. and so

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