tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC May 30, 2019 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
>> we would fill it. >> very funny. if a court vacancy occurs in 2020, mcconnell will. to confirm the appointment. he said so. this cheap politics and brazen partisanship that makes the word politician so sleazy. all in with chris hayes starts now. >> tonight on all in -- >> to me it's a dirty word, the word im. . it's a dirty, filthy dis. ing word. >> the president comes to term with the i word. >> can you imagine? >> the mueller report finally penetrates the con. . bubble. >>. surprised to hear. anything neg. at all. i mainly. to con. . news and i had not heard anything neg. . >> as the attorney general defends his story -- >> i felt he.
. ared the decision. >> the democrats calling for im. ment. >> it's a dirty dis. going word. >> the smoking gun that the plot to rig the census is all about increasing the power. white republican voters. what we now know about the white house demand to hide a warship named. . john mccain. >> they thought i didn't like him. >> all in starts now. >> they were well meaning, i will say. good. from new york. in case it wasn't already. al clear, the president is both freaked out by and obsessed with the spectrum. a day. robert mueller made it extremely clear his report. essentially an im. ment. to congress, the germophobic president expressed his utter dis. at the prospect.
im. . ment. >> it's a dirty, filthy, dis. going word that had nothing to do with me. >> let's get clean. . lashed out at mueller, calling them. . . human beings on earth and mueller declared him innocent. mueller went out. his way to say he. not saying that and displayed his signature command on the u.s. constitution. >> do you think they are going im. you? >> i don't see how they can because they are allowed, although i can't imagine the courts allowing it. >> that is not how it works. courts don't get a say in it. . it. so shaken up, he admitted an obvious fact that we have known
since 2016. russia helped. to get elected. . back in fantasy land 20 minutes later. >> russia did not help me get elected. you know who got me elected? i got me elected. russia didn't help me at all. >> him and vladimir putin. someone has not read the mueller report. part. reason is mueller's appearance in front. cameras means his findings will further penetrate into american consciousness and perhaps. maybe the right wing media bubble. that's a big deal. the president and allies pushed a necessary. depply at odds with the truth. . . reading the mueller report concluded. engaged in im. able conduct. . at town hall, nbc news spoke to
a. supporter who expressed surprise. >>. surprised to hear anything neg. in the mueller report at all about. . i had not heard that. . i mainly. to con. . news. i had not heard anything neg. about that report. and. had been exonerated. >> they get that the appearance threatens to further. ure their false necessary. which issia they went out to attack the message. >> today he officially resigned from the. . special counsel, but not. showing the world. what we already knew on this program. his partisan hackry, true colors if you will. >> he seemed and sounded older than his 74 years. almost tired, kpas rated and yet determined to throw elbows on his way out the door. >> the sad. thing about this moment is all the people you admire from
affair and robert mueller winds up in that category. >> so sad. he. his faith in robert mueller. >> we need to build a case like the viewer who got all her. from fox news. she is unaware. if we have aggressions. . s and more people hear about the mueller report and robert mueller. . s, we will get them in the house and convict in the senate. if we can't get 218 votes in the house right now and if the senate is going to acquit, what's the point. proceeding right now? we need to do something that will hold the president accountable.
>> it seems like horse. cart there. presumably if you started a formal inquiry and you went through that and voted to. to the full house, that's the action by which the case would be built. no one is going do it for you. >> i think we can build a case other ways. the case can be built through having aggressions. . throughout judiciary committee and. sight and financial. s. that's happening. we. more witnesses. no one should say we shouldn't. and build the case. we are saying that that is the work that committees are doing. i don't think opening up does anything. all this pressure to look at member
members and i don't think they would start an inquiry. . ing to the judiciary committee and the votes are not there right now. >> the votes are not there. if you look at the statements. members who won, to. us the majority, they are not there yet. my view is we have to build the case to get the votes in the house. the votes would be there for a resolution and that is a big deal. only one president has been censured. andrew jackson. the president's conduct. unethical and illegal. >> this constitutional death. a showdown between the house majority and the president. he is asserting greater and greater power and acting in a more unilateral fashion. within new channels. the bigger question other than
im. ment, what are you doing to restrain that? what is the theory. case on how he is restrained. he does something cataclysmic? >> he's had a pattern going back to construction. border wall through funds that were not appropriated. his actions. defying yemen. this is a president who flaunted congress and that's why i think a censure resolution is so important. jackson flaunted on the construction. second. . what congress did is they censured him. i think we need to censure and make the case to the american public through aggressions. . ing that this president is under mining separation. powers and that becomes a huge voting issue in 2020 for the senate, the house, and the presidency. >> congressman from california, thank you for making time tonight. >> thank you, chris.
>> i want to bring in neal katyal and legal an. . it's interesting that the interpretation, robert mueller spoke with a lot. restraint and finally parsed and. ly to the script. what he had written. what. doing. unmistakable. a rare moment. consensus. . understood what robert mueller did. request. >> exactly. it's so clear that the two things he chose to pluck out. his hundreds. pages. report were number one, i couldn't indict the president so don't say you are cleared because i. couldn't do it under doj policy. number two, i could clear the president if the facts showed, but the facts didn't show. those two things together are striking. the next step what mueller is saying, a sitting president can't be indicted, the process has to be through congress. that's where the ball game is.
it has to be congress. >> there is a maddening. i have seen sarah sanders say it and the president assert it in a tweet. if he found a crime, he would have said so. he didn't say so he and didn't foo find one. bill barr is making this argument and i want to play you what he said and get your response. take a. . >> he. . ed a conclusion, the opinion said that you can't indict a president while in. . he. . ed a decision as to whether. criminal action. . he had his reasons for not doing it which he explained. i'm not going to argue about those reasons. >> what do you think? > >>. ing that. and the court stopping him from being im. paed, it pait's opposite day.
what barr said is not credible. imagine the outrage if the president is guilty, but i'm not going to. him the chance to defend himself and not going to indict him. can you imagine the political firestorm? it showed people from fox and other things criticizing mueller for what he said. let alone what he said to barr. there is a good. . barr wrote that two. page letter describing the mueller report and clearing. on. . th. . criticized saying how could you do that in 48 hours. getting the report. his answer. oh, no, mueller told me about this three weeks. approximate. . not going to. a conclusion. did barr say what he. said to mueller three weeks. in. ? i doubt it. this is an.
the fact spin that barr has been doing since day one. it is destruct. to democratic norms and to the truth. >> both political backlash and fairness. mueller said look, you indict someone and they go to trial and present a case for innocence. . me, robert mueller saying the guy is a criminal is unfair to the president. they have taken that fundamental stipulation. fairness and restraint and used it against mueller himself as a sword. >> exactly. . is right and right is. to this administration. mueller did this. he bent. backwards to protect and be fair to the president and. him due process. that is damning to the president. . 1,000 former federal prosecutors signed a letter saying i read
the mueller report and these facts would be someone i would indict if it were anyone but the president. the only reason he is not in va jail is because he is a sitting president. united states. i don't think that can be the standard for what a president is. not guilty by reason. a technicality? that's a terrible thing to say about the president. that's where we are. >> thank you. for your time tonight. >> i want to go to the senior letter. atlantic that the mueller report is an impeachment. . he has written at length on the. . the magazine about why he thinks impeachment is the way forward. . your reaction to mueller confirming the case you made having read the report? >> i thought gosh, this is when i used to. in college classrooms and i walked in and realize no one had done the reading and i had to
summarize if we were to have a decent. . that's what i thought. he said i. a you footnotes and i will summarize and say it clearly because many. you seem to miss the point. his point. the constitution. us a meway to do this and that impeachment. >> you. impeachment on substand. grounds. you are not a politician, but you laid out a perswas. case. your reaction to. ally the case and the votes are not there. we can't get out ahead. public opinion on this. >> they are right that the case has not been made, but that's circular. i hope i can use the word like impeachment on the air. >> filthy. dis. ing. >> when i. ed to people talk about it, they
speak with the house as though they have the same short circuit that came up with bill clinton. take a report and produce by an outside in. gator, russia to articles and vote on the floor and happened it. to the senate. that has not worked. what has worked twice. with andrew johnson and. ard nixon is a. process. hearing directly from witnesses with direct personal knowledge. . s that are potentially im. . able. surfacing new charges and claims and allowing them to be subject to cross-examination and that's an. . . . process. putting it out in front.
cameras. substa s substand. ly. . >> to have the teeth in it for impeachment. >> i'm astonished when people like. mcconnell said obstruction. undeniable im. able are making this claim. obstruction is only the. charge laid against this president. his personal attorney said that the president directed him in committing campaign finance crimes for which he pled guilty. he has been charged by violations. emoluments clause. it has not mounted a public case and if the public is hesitating to get behind it, it may be if nancy pelosi can't say it's time for inquiry, it's hard for the. voter to think it's merited. >> there is thinking the president is trying to think
democrats are trying to bait him. that's obvious that he's freaked out by it. . your reaction to his reaction to mueller? >> i. ed the president's remarks and my jaw drops. i hope there is someone capable. explaining to him how the process works, but a man who thinks the courts can block impeachment is probably not in a fit foposition to weigh in. i don't see a president who is eager for this black mark and crippled his political prospects. as a result. acquitt acquittal. >> thank you. . next, democratic leadership believes two things. the president did commit a crime. what we know about what the. . america thinks about impeachment in two minutes. now i'm ready to focus on my project. ♪ ♪
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. initiativing impeachment inquiry is up to. . 49 democrats and one lonely republican. in a rally earlier in. . the presidential candidate bernie sanders joined other candidates who have also called for an inquiry to begin. the leaders in the house said it's not there and happens to be aligned with the way. americans feel. here to help me is national political correspondents from. . it in, california. welcome to you both. you know, someone. noting that the president committed a crime and shouldn't be im. ed. that's incon. ent, but that's where the pluralities are. >>. >> you can take a look and if any number.
polls are out there, take the. that came out. the mueller report. about a month ago, he had the washington. poll. do you believe that. 's actions amounted to obstruction. . is. >> did he try to. ? >>. % said yes, he did. he tried to commit obstruction. . is. the same poll asked the question. should he be im. ed? . lob sidedly no. he mentioned the clinton. from 20 years ago and that's where the country. . abc asked the same question. the star report. released. did bill clinton commit crimes? the majority said yes. should he be im. ed? no. . the rallying cry. . the similarity. when you find more on the
question. should they keep in. igating? don't go to impeachment, but keep i keep. ing. >> bill clinton's a. is 20 points higher than. 's. we went through quant tate. data, it's people in a room in a republican district. . not the reaction i would have expected. . your take away? >>. a really politically diverse audience and 800 people showed up for the town hall. . it the. time he addressed his constituents face-to-face. when he came out. he came out supporting impeachment proceedings. there were a lot. democrats who said they are there to. support. they might vote for him in the next election because.
principled stance he's taken on this impeachment process. there were republicans there who were confused by his position who came to hear him out. they wanted to understand where. coming from. then. the republicans who were hard core supporters who were in the room who came to chal. him. he got a mix. questions from a wide diverse group. people. . sped stead. . . a woman who stood up and. angry. she volunteered in 2010 and has been an amash supporter and. ed her mind about him. she said that he is not upholding what the voters in his district want. he responded to her it's not his job to do what his constituents want. it is his job to uphold the constitution.
. a. moment in that town hall. one that got him a lot. applause, especially since there were a lot. democratic and independent voters. this is not static and not fixed, but we have. more polarized. there is less wiggle room and less than you can get anyone. . one thing i noted it look at the it wasn't. part. country. that base has not been consolidated in. fa. impeachment if you are trying to build a case. %. people disa. . him trying to go. the folks that wear maga hats. >>. there is support for impeachment, but not at the. . . . had. wait to see if the polls. can.
. in d.c. a and showing up and thousands. people were chanting. that's our base, we better do it. >> that's a true calling. . for joining us. next, the bombshell documents that show the. administration's. to explicitly grab power for white republicans by rigging the census. what the documents said and the unbelievable way they were un. ed. this. e unbelievable way they were un. ed this have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation
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a huge, huge development in the very high stakes legal battle. putting a citizenship question on the 2020 census which could be decided any day now by the spreerd. it supreme court. that would reduce the count. nonwhite people in the country and as a result would hurt their representation and diminish the power. states like illinois and california, tipping the balance. power. structural power in congress and statehouses all the way down towards whiter and more rural areas for a decade to come. the administration in. ed that that part. . s. . crossed their mind. no, you see their aim. the opposite and they wanted to protect nonwhite power by enforcing the voting rights act. the thing is, they have been
found multiple times to be lying about how they decided to add a citizenship question on the census. both by congress and by federal courts which have ruled that they have violated the law and the constitution by trying to ram this through. today we got smoking gun. . how deep their lying about the origins. questions goes. . found on the hard. s. an operate. who died. summer. . ler. the. er mind. republican gerrymandering, using dem. data engineer dominance in the house and state legislatures. his e. ed found the hard. s and they contained a study in 2015 on the potential impact. a citizenship question on redistributing. s in texas and lo and behold, he found citizenship data would
clearly be a disadvantage for democrats and here's the moan quote, would be advantageous to republicans and non-hispanic whites. the documents revealed that the administration appeared to. language and claims directly from that same 2015 study that. ler himself. wrote a memo. ifying the citizenship question and. the who came up with the idea. using the voting rights act as a pretext to get the question through all. this has been filed with the supreme court. for more on the man behind the question, today's crazy equipments. i'm joined by ari berman, author. . us the ballot. let's start with the. . we get to that. the court's question, they have. them, you want to censorship on
it. we think you have been lying. what does this new. do? >> this. really gets to the heart. what the administration is arguing. this question about citizenship is needed to enforce the voting rights act. that's ridiculous and we the voting rights. used to enforce and not a single voting rights lawyer will tell you. this is the administration that has been. il to voting rights and hasn't filed a single lawsuit. we have tom. ler saying it is going to hurt latinos and other minority groups. let's say it will help them to. the real purpose. this question. >> what they found is. the guy, the. aer mind and the. writer behind the letter that. sent. and be like we would like to put the question on there and we have also learned in the filings that that question. essentially a set up.
tom. ler. . ing around trying the gerrymandered maps. he drew the maps in north carolina and ohio and other states that struck down in court. the 2010 election. that's a scandal because it forms the. redistricting. it has to be neutral and fair. here's the gerrymandering guy. not only do i want to gerrymander, but make it myself and then he said very, very clearly in black and white, this will hurt democrats and help republicans. . to see it on paper is. a startling. losing. >> the infamous north carolina map that is the supreme court struck down as unconstitutional. there's race. .
maps. they strike them down and that's how egregious they are. here you have the guy and you look at the country and you can't gerrymander the whole map. one way is through the census. m. one way is through the census. it's used for redistricting. if you gerrymander and rig the census. >> if you screw up the data coming in. you start with an advantage. >> if you gerrymander the census and rig the census, you rig. . this is not. one other issue, but gets to the heart. american democracy. we will. with the ram. occasions for the next decade and years beyond. >> states like california, illinois and new york and texas interestingly. . they will not. have an under count and have billions in federal money. >> $380 billion. >> communities. color with less political representation and fewer members. statehouses and state senates.
the whole thing. >> it's huge. . already going to happen as a result. this. . going to be an under count. groups, but others want to go beyond and have an under count and then on. that, we will draw districts based only on citizenship that will further reduce the cloud. minority and immigrant groups to draw as many districts as possible. it will make the gerrymandering we saw look tame by comparison. >> it's in front. supreme court and makes it harder to. rule the lower courts. >> the court that wants to make them rig elections for the next decade. >>. . >> good to see you. >> what are we know about the white house's request to hide an entire ship from the president's prying eyes because it had the name. senator john mccain on the side. the insane story in thing one, thing two. n thing one, thing two. ♪
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last night "wall street journal" broke a truly insane story about the lengths the white house went to to make sure "john mccain" never crossed the visual path of the very easily upset president when he was in japan. the journal quoted an email from a command official to u.s. navy and air force officials with instructions from the white house military office saying, quote, uss john mccain needs to be out of sight. they couldn't move it because it was being repaired. "new york times" reports the sailors were given the day off. when several sailors showed up
wearing uniforms they were turned away. you may think the president would be offended his own staff thought so poorly of his psychological constitution they would go to these lengths to prevent him seeing the name of a deceased man, but you would be wrong. trump was flattered they were looking out for him. >> i don't know what happened. i wasn't involved. i would not have done that. i was very angry at john mccain because of health care. i was not a fan of john mccain in any way, shape or form. i think john mccain had a lot to do with it to go into the middle east which was a catastrophe. to me, john mccain, i wasn't a fan. but i would never do a thing like that. now, somebody did it because they thought i didn't like him, okay? and they were well-meaning, i will say. i didn't know anything about it. i would never have done that. >> let's bring in felicia mills,
sam cedar, host of the majority report. i have to say, you have a lot of stories in the trump era that are head scratchers. this honestly really brought me up short. for a bunch of reasons. one, the depth of the man. also the white house has a country to run. this is a difficult job with very high stakes and this occupies white house staff time. >> yeah. first of all, the fact that they are going to a different -- another country and they wouldn't be proud of a symbol of america, first of all, is just outrageous. the fact that they don't think enough of the president that he won't throw a tantrum like a 6-year-old because he sees something he doesn't like and can't conduct himself is also telling about the state of mind this human being is occupying in the white house. >> i guarantee you that was the fear. they thought he would get up for some event and be talking and would see it.
seriously. and he was going to flip out live in front of the cameras. the guy is so insane and so incontinent in terms of self-control that they were -- i mean, they were probably right to do that. >> they may have been in that respect. what i found interesting about that exchange was in some ways it parallels what mueller said was not collusion and coordination in the mueller report. >> interesting. >> in the mueller report it says specifically that coordination requires more than two parties taking actions that were informed or responsive to the other's actions or interests. that's exactly what happened there. >> fascinating. >> they are aware he doesn't like mccain. >> we don't have to collude or coordinate. they did the right thing for the right reasons. >> exactly right. >> i will give them a raise and they have job security now. if they had a problem with it, other people would fire them.
they know they'll get rewarded. they don't need to coordinate. >> that's a fantastic point. also like russia if you're listening or everything he did defending putin we know how he feels about john mccain and we know he doesn't want to see the uss john mccain in his face. >> exactly right. he speaks in code. this is his code and that's what they did. >> the other thing with this, i remember -- it first occurred to me -- do you remember during the transition there was the trump tower cam in the lobby? everybody was coming through to meet him. like kanye and al gore. it had this courtly feel to it. very royal. it was like here's the ante-chamber to the throne room and people come to present their case to the king. reading this email, there is something being built around him that's monarchial, a strong man
culture of an authoritarian leader who rules by fiat and not a democratic culture. >> you wonder when the republicans will do something about it. one of the things that strikes me is when he disrespects the military, i'm a 41-year-old democrat. for all my life i heard the republican it is cas cared abou military and they would go nuts when obama wouldn't salute them because he was holding the coffee club. >> that was a hannity a-block. >> where are the republicans' outrage now? >> i will say martha mcsally announced she'll enveloinvestig this. the republican senator from arizona. i thought the other news today -- so this envoy, north korean envoy we found out was executed today. the envoy who met with mike pompeo, his counterpart. we watch this very obviously
broken person functioning in the world of high stakes. we get this john mccain story as preposterous and a waste and an insult. it's like i saw the news and it's like the stakes here are so high that this person with this personality is the person running the country. >> yeah. i think that's the thing. that makes me so curious. where on earth are the republicans? >> aren't they worried? >> because the stakes are so high aren't they worried getting a couple of judges in place and passing laws -- >> one big tax cut. that's it. >> will destroy our democracy. i don't think they care. i think the challenge is we have been living in this relatively peaceful space for decades and people are like, nothing bad will happen. we're the leaders of the free world. well, actually -- >> i think there is every reason to believe the republicans have absolutely no problem with it. we just talked about what they did in terms of voter d disenfranchisement. there's been little evidence that the republicans are
terribly concerned about democracy or these type of issues. the fact of the matter is there is a two-tier problem with trump as the leader of the nation from a foreign policy perspective. one is the damage he may do in the moment. but it would be completely irrational for any leaders of any other country to not perceive donald trump as a symptom of a deep-seated problem that exists in american society. >> that's right. to reflect out that this country is a basket case now. >> we could elect the most no drama, calmest man who is graceful and whatnot to be president again. >> right. >> and still not dissuade people saying there is something fundamentally unstable about the country. >> my question is where are our heroes? we can say, okay, republicans don't care. but where's the other side? where are the people who are supposed to be rising up to meet the challenge of this
administration? right now what we tend to have is a bunch of institutionalists and people interested in protecting their own part of the story and their own little reputations that they are not willing to take the next step and not willing to do the dangerous thing to try to -- >> you mean like impeachment, whatever, like break out from the pack to say the thing that's right. >> i mean robert mueller. this is a time where we need batman. we need a detective who was so blinded by the search for truth and justice that he was going to stop at nothing. instead we have commissioner gordon. a very nice, well-meaning functi functionary who thinks his job is to stand by the light. >> i agree with you people are bound by institutional or political commitments and when the tail risk hits, it hits. thank you. new details tonight on an event i'm excited about. this coming wednesday we are headed to ft. wayne, indiana, for a live town hall with
elizabeth warren in the heart of trump/pence country. she makes her case to win back democratic voters in the industrial midwest. you can be there, too. full details on how to attend on the website. all in.msnbc.com. that's all this evening. good evening, rachel. i'm so excited for that i can hardly stand it. >> it's going to be really good. >> it's you, elizabeth warren, the setting and i think you need to be appreciated as the person who of all of the people on all the cable networks, you are the best person at the town hall format of everyone. >> that's extremely sweet of you to say. >> i would say it even if i didn't like you. >> we worked hard on that. >> you're great at it. >> i have a lot to live up to. >> thanks, my friend. thanks for joining us this hour. i would like to wish you all congratulations on your new home because tonight you are the proud owner of