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on wednesday and thursday i'll be live in normandy. the president attending and all of the other foreign leaders. here's ali velshi and stephanie ruhle for "velshi & ruhle." >> you have yourself a good afternoon. >> it is monday, june 3rd and today all eyes are across the pond for president trump's first official state visit to great britain, a trip already clouded by some self-inflicted diplomatic controversy. >> they were greeted by queen elizabeth the second and prince charles. an historic day following president trump's recent insults against meghan markle and sadiq khan. get us up to speed on what we've been watching between the president and the queen today.
>> reporter: well, it's been an extraordinary day of images, hasn't it? it began with marine one swooping down over best of youc palace. extraordinary pictures as members of his family and members of the royal family watched. then he made his way to westminster where he laid a wreath at the tomb of the unknown warrior. there you had history being watched by the president and being made by the president as prince andrew, the queen's son, led the president around and showed him around. and then there was an informal lunch with members of the royal family. and one of the moments that i think may be remarked upon and that was the image of prince
harry appearing to hold back, not close to the president. perhaps he wasn't supposed to be coming forward. but i think it will be remarked upon because of those comments with a british tabloid newspaper about meghan. and prince charles taking up an afternoon tea. it looked relaxed and informal. these kind of events combine extraordinary -- this kind of extraordinary state occasion, these grandiose images with very private moments between the president and members of the royal family. tonight, the culmination, this enormous room where the cutlery, the seats, everything is carefully measured. the queen will give a speech and
president trump will be giving a speech. i think people will be holding their breath. >> and we know why one would be holding the president. sadiq khan wrote a scathing piece about the president rebuking this state visit. the president responded calling the london mayor a stone-cold loser. the president has denied calling meghan markle nasty. she had said before she married prince harry, she had negative things to say about him. we know that the president said this. let's share the sound. >> are you sorry not to see you, because she wasn't so nice about you during the campaign. >> i didn't know that, no. i hope she's okay. i did not know that. >> she said she'd move to canada if you got elected. turned out she moved to britain. >> a lot of people moving here. i didn't know that she was nasty. >> he didn't know that she was
nasty. the president did say that. he's called the mayor a stone-cold loser. is that going to make anything awkward tonight? >> reporter: it's making the whole trip awkward. the politics are very difficult. the leader of the opposition has refused to do to the banquet tonight. while you have this constitutional occasion hosted by the royal family looking terrific in terms of pictures for the president, the background is very, very difficult politics. >> all right. keir thank you very much. let's bring in "washington post" political reporter eugene scott. you have called the attacks unhelpful. for those who don't follow it closely, how significant is it that she's not around? >> it is significant in part because she is one of the most obvious ties and most recent
well known ties between america and britain right now. she was born here in los angeles and now is a duchess. and so she's been very vocal about politics and social issues and could honestly be a bridge between a president who's quite unpopular in britain at the current time, but instead of addressing the valid concerns she had about his divisiveness and some of his world views and comments about women, she dismissed her in a way that she's dismissed hillary clinton, elizabeth warren, the mayor of san juan puerto rico when they also point out that he is not as helpful as you would think the president of the united states would be. >> those are people who are involved in government and legislating. meghan markle just had a baby. and she's a member of the royal family. as far as politics and policy goes, does it really matter to
the president as ugly as we could say things are in the u.s., they're even worse in the uk, you could argue they need president trump's support more than he needs theirs. >> if it really had no meaning, if meghan markle's views of the president of the country of her birth were insignificant, one could argue that the president would not be taking so much time to meet with other royals. there's power and influence that she has beyond what happens on their -- in their versions of capitol hill and congress. and so it wouldn't be unhelpful to form a positive relationship with meghan markle, at least not to dismisses her. we know that she remains popular and she could help people in her new adopted country have a better view of him if he somehow explained what he said or meant that she found troublesome in a way that she found helpful. >> i want to ask you about the
president's son-in-law, jared kushner. he was interviewed this weekend, here's what he said about birtherism. >> was birtherism racist? >> i wasn't involved in that. >> i know you weren't. >> was it racist? >> i know you weren't. was it racist? >> look, i know who the president is, and i've not seen anything in him that is racist. i was not involved in that. >> did you wish he didn't do that? >> like i said, i was not involved in that. that was a long time ago. >> it wasn't that long ago. >> jared kushner was in their life and orbit while trump was carrying on about birtherism. that's incorrect that jared kushner says he wasn't involved in it. but that wasn't a hard question. >> it wasn't a hard question. and two points, birtherism was rearrived during the 2016 presidential election and we saw
melania trump speak out in support of her husband and his claims of birtherism. i think a better question for jared is, you were involved in the campaign. why did you not speak out on it then? i think this response from jared, it's why so many people believe it's not just the president who traffics racism, but it's the administration as whole. what jared could have said was that was not an appropriate thing to do. he could have distanced himself from the comments and spoke about what he's doing to improve relationships with people of the muslim faith and people who are not white and he didn't do any of that. >> thank you for that. >> what jared kushner is saying, put all that stuff aside, look at all the good stuff he's doing, but he's unwilling to say this was bad stuff. he said the president isn't not racist for 69 years and becomes a racist. completely omitting the fact that the president called for the execution of the central
park five. birtherism was two years ago. for jared to say that, i'm sorry, it's too much. he knows if you say something bad about this president, he will not forgive you and come out hitting and swinging. which is why you knew he was going to say something bad about meghan markle or the mayor of london, it's melania trump's words, if you hit him, he will hit back five times harder. that's how he rolls. today investigators in virginia beach are searching for a motive in the mass shooting. >> the 40-year-old shooter who was killed by police at the scene submitted his letter of resignation to his job earlier on that very day. some of the deceased are being laid to rest today while four other victims remain hospitalized. mayor, first of all, we are so sorry for everything that you have experienced over the last four days. tell us, first, the victims who
are still in the hospital, how are they doing? have you spoken to them? >> once again, we're having a little problem getting the information out because of the protection of health care information. as soon as possible, i'm going to try to get out to see them. but right now we have -- with the health care privacy, we have to be careful right now. >> how are residents of the city and city officials and police working together? how have they been doing since the incident? >> i tell you what, as a mayor, not only as a mayor, but as a resident of virginia beach, i've never been prouder. let me say that this entire unfortunate incident has been handled with professionalism combined with compassion and pa empathy, it really makes me proud. >> what is being done to make sure this doesn't happen again. so much of the lead up to this
is legal? >> yes. the thing is, we pride ourself on being a safe city and we are the safest city our side, and this is going to be an anomaly that happened where one individual, you know, wreaked carnage on his fellow workers and, once again, you know, moving forward, i think the city is going to prove itself to be resilient and responsive and we're going to come together. and let me say that the outpouring of love and people wanting to help is really building and galvanizing this community in a very positive way. >> in a lot of parts of the country, you can't carry guns into public buildings. that's not the case in virginia and virginia beach. do you think that's something that needs to change? >> i tell you what, right now this is a very recent thing and i think we got to be careful that we just don't have a
knee-jerk reaction where we wind up galvanizing all the -- with the talk. but i think that as we go through, the most important thing is that we're facing a number of funerals right now. but when we all sit down, as a society, i think we have to have a rational conversation on this topic and, you know, it's obviously that something has got to be done in some way. but that's going to be determined. >> a knee-jerk reaction. do you believe what happened in new zealand was a knee-jerk reaction? it was two weeks after a mass shooting. you saw a major legislative move. >> once again, i think the topic of what to do about with the guns and everything at this point, we will have discussions on that. but right now our focus as a city is -- you know, with the families and things of that
nature. but obviously this is going to prompt a national discussion and we will be engaged in those discussions. >> mayor, our thoughts are with you and the people of virginia beach today. >> i thank you and your crew. this is an unfortunate situation, but i think the people of virginia beach, we're going to respond in a very positive way. >> thank you, sir. good luck. >> thank you. >> i don't know how you can respond to this in a positive way, but what you can do is honor and remember the victims and the legacies they leave behind. all of them were city employees except for one. >> laquita brown was 39 years old. she worked for the city for almost five years. her uncle says she was full of life and focused on helping other people. ryan keith cox was an account clerk. he died while saving others on friday. she stopped a group from running
toward the shooting and helped them barricade a door. >> tara welsh gallagher was an old dominion university grad. mary louise gayle served as an agent for 24 years. she's remembered as a great neighbor. >> alexandra mikhail gusev. joshua hardy was 52. he was an author. in 2011 he published a children's book, the abc book on protecting yourself from strangers. >> michelle missy languager had just turned 60. she adored paul mccartney. katherine nixon was 42. she's remembered as a loving wife and mom who always stood up
for who was right. >> 65-year-old richard nettleton worked as an engineer for 28 years. he served as a lieutenant for the army's 30th engineer brigade in germany. christopher kelly rapp was 54. he worked for the department for only 11 months. friends described him as mr. rogers, always with a smile. >> herbert snelling was 57 and a contractor from virginia beach who was at the municipal building to get a permit. and robert williams worked as a special products coordinator for 41 years and was given eight service awards. he was looking forward to retiring this year to spend more time with his family. all lives gone too soon in a senseless act of violence. we honor their lives. we'll be right back. h,
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle." historic flooding is threatening community across the midwest. weeks of heavy rain, storms and floods, tore a 40-foot hole in a levy. the cities down river could be in danger. >> flooding along the mississippi river may continue through the summer. joining us now from arkansas is nbc's gabe.
some of these areas won't be dry until the fall. what are you seeing now? how dangerous is it? >> reporter: we're on a boat with the arkansas game and fish commission. this is what we're seeing in this neighborhood, riverside driver in pine bluff, arkansas, the water rising several feet into these homes. it's incredible to see this arkansas river is swelling to historic levels as you mentioned. the water was rushing by there after a levy breached a couple of days ago. all that water from the rain we've been seeing the last couple of weeks is rushing downstream past little rock and hitting neighborhoods here in pine bluff, arkansas. tell me some of the things you've been seeing. >> it's been a slow progression. we knew it was coming. it's been watching the
devastation rise coming up a foot a day. >> and it's really credibincred we were speaking with a resident there. and he says how tough it is to look at those neighborhoods. that's his home right over there. it's just horrible to see so much of these communities that are under water right now, more 260 river gauges are at flood stage after weeks of severe weather. and at this location, the river isn't expected to crest until wednesday. right now this is some of the worst flooding that we're seeing. thankfully in oklahoma, the waters have started to recede. but other parts are dealing with historic flooding. how long do you expect it to stay like this, sir? are we talking, days, weeks?
>> it's going to crest wednesday. we're looking at months before these people can start going through their homes. >> thank you so much for helping us see this devastation and for giving us this tour. i'm going to send it back to you. but the river not expected to crest until wednesday. this is a slow motion disaster with no end in sight. >> that's incredible. >> i just keep thinking, school is still in session, people have jobs to go to. it's an entire region of the country. if you lose your home for months, maybe your whole family has -- >> your local kin or the people who are around you and friends are all in the same boat. >> that's a sad situation. we'll continue to cover it. when we come back, the 2020 race kicking into high gear. we'll be speaking to a
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as gun safety becomes a larger issue in the 2020 campaign, many democratic candidates are staking out positions hoping to stand out from the pact. let's take a look at some of the key points from the candidates. new jersey senator cory booker's plan is extensive. just a few of the points to include efforts to enact a federal licensing program for gu guns and background checks for gun shows and online sales. he will ban assault stiyle weapons. in new hampshire, joe biden supported the idea of fingerprint-locked guns. elizabeth warren says she would deal with guns right off the
start. pete buttigieg's gun plan like booker in washington -- like booker and warren includes a licensing program and banning assault style weapons. kamala harris added a time requirement to her gun plan. she says she'll sign gun safety legislation within the first 100 days or sign an executive order if congress fails to act. harris's plan is to strengthen federal background checks, ban domestic abusers and assault style weapons. vermont senator bernie sanders supports efforts to expand background checks, require background check at gun shows and crack down on straw purchases. every democrat in the field has spoken in some way about the
need to address gun violence. >> let's discuss this and more with 2020 presidential candidate, former colorado governor, john hickenlooper. two years into the governor's first term, a gunman opened fire in a crowded theater that killed 12 people and injured more than 50 others. governor, your state is no stranger to gun violence. what would your administration do to stop these kinds of killings? >> i still remember walking into the mobile control unit and seeing the original -- the first footage coming out of that movie theater, what the crime scene looked like. some of the most chilling images i've seen in my life. and we implemented universal background checks, we limited the capacity of magazines. but i think we got to go further. and i think we've got to have a test like -- if we require young people to study and take a test to be able to operate a vehicle, to get a driver's license, why
can't we require young people before they buy a gun to study and learn how to handle and safely store firearms. in many states we have hunter safety courses and they're required to pass a test. i think it's the next natural step. >> over the weekend, senator elizabeth warren said it's not just mass shootings that we should focus on. but places like chicago where gun violence on an individual level is out of control. how do you tackle both of these things? >> well, i think you have to look at everything. we reached out in colorado and i think this is a good foundation for national policy. we started working with the shooting ranges, the gun stores to help them make sure that the people that are using the weapons know how to safely store them. you keep them under lock and key, you don't keep your ammunition in the same place.
suicide and accidental gun deaths and then guns being stolen and being used in gang fights, these are all chronic problems. and they're all different but they're interrelated. >> you were at the democratic party convention over the weekend. there was a moment when the crowd booed you when you said socialism isn't the answer. there's a lot of people who would agree with you that socialism isn't the answer. but for millions of americans, capitalism isn't either. what's your offering? >> what i was trying to say is that in colorado, we brought business and non-profits together, democrats and republicans, to become the number one economy in the country, to get to near universal health care, to beat the nra with tough new gun laws. i think those examples are what we need to be doing. and in terms of capitalism, clearly it's broken. we've lost the competition. too much -- like hardware, there
are two companies that dominate 80% of the hardware store market. we got to put competition back into capitalism. when they stop collecting information around competition that would be diminished under a merger, we got to collect that data and push back and make sure we have more capitalism -- >> how are you going to achieve that? people decided they wanted convenience and they wanted to buy products cheaply and the way those hardware stores would offer that would be to get bigger and bigger and bigger and knock out the local competition. what rules would you change to reserve the trend we've seen? >> i think the issue is around the mergers of larger companies moving in with still larger companies. and you see in industry after industry, three -- two or three or maybe four companies come nate the market.
originally then they passed the anti-trust act, the focus of that was to make sure we have sufficient competition so we're not squeezing out small businesses. i was a small business person myself. if you look at it, over the last 20 years, every year we've had less new businesses start than we had the previous year. that is a terrible trend if you care about the middle class. and new businesses create the jobs that help expand the middle class. >> what would you do about health care? >> well, health care, obviously, we got to get to universal coverage. it should be a right and not a privilege. i promote expanding a public option so that people have a choice and maybe it's medicare, or some combination, if it's done well, people will be attracted to leave their private insurance so we could get to a single payer.
it would be a evolution, not a revolution. we say to 160 million people, they got to give up their private insurance when they don't want to. >> let's talk iran for a moment. it's obviously become a hot topic. we're talking with the president overseas this week. importance to secure our relationship with allies. do you see a way back into the iran nuclear deal or is there another way to deal with iran and all that's happening in the middle east? >> i certainly think iran is one of our most hostile and most antagonistic countries. and they're hostile clearly to american interests and it extends beyond the middle east. i don't think that we've seen all of the facets and the possibilities for renegotiating that deal. once we removed ourselves from it, which we fully have, without
consulting our allies, that's the first thing i don't think we should ever do, we need to make sure that whatever our next moves are, are in concert with those allies that helped us reach that deal and put the pressure on iran from a variety of places to get them to stop funding terrorism, to make sure they're not testing ballistic missiles, some of those things where they would a little wiggle room in the original agreement. >> thank you for talking to us. >> thank you so much. >> john hickenlooper, the former governor of colorado. he's joining us from california. he was a small business man. >> he was. we got a programming note, tonight you want to be watching msnbc for a special town hall with chris matthews and presidential candidate mayor pete buttigieg in fresno, california. that will be this evening at 7:00 p.m. eastern right here on
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the islamic republic with, quote, no preconditions. but iran's foreign ministry dismissed his comment as word play. >> and we have comments from pompeo and a recording obtained by "the washington post" this weekend. it comes from a closed door meeting with jewish leaders. >> it may be rejected. it could be in the end, i'm out. what happens when the plan doesn't gain traction? i don't want to talk about it failing. call it whatever. i fail a lot, so it's not about not using a word like that. >> but pompeo walked that back. saying when the plan is unfolded and when the world can see what we're proposing, i think it will be very clear that each party, indeed every person will be better off if this deal is struck. that sounds like an endorsement. if you're going to go with a plan, do that, even if you don't
believe it. jared kushner who's in charge of the administration's peace plan had this to say about the region and his role. >> do you believe that the palestinians are capable of governing themselves without israeli interference? >> i think that's a very good question. i think that's one that we'll have to see. the hope is they can become capable. >> do you understand why the palestinians don't trust you? >> look, i'm not here to be trusted. they're not going to judge anything based on me or anything else. they're going to base it on the facts and make a determination. do you think this will allow them to have a pathway to a better life. >> i'm not here to be trusted. did he actually say that? >> he did. >> bobby, are you here to be trusted? >> wait. we can say -- i think the point jared is trying to make, actually is, it's not about him. if the palestinian people can see a path or lead a better life
than the one they're currently living, does he have an opening, ie, is dividing palestinians from palestinian leadership possibly a good strategy for him? >> no, i wouldn't put it that way. i think trust is very, very important here. the united states is meant to be brokering a deal. if you cannot trust the broker who can you trust. they have a long history of not trusting each other each would argue for very good reasons. they've got to be able to trust the person making the deal. if they don't trust the dealmaker, then they cannot trust the deal. there's been too much mistrust for too long in this region. whatever the chances are of the next agreement, if there is one succeeding, it has to start from a place of trust. >> can you answer that, ali? who's a trusted dealmaker? >> i think back to u.s. secretaries of state of both parties, who have attempted and
failed, sometimes succeeded in dealing in the middle east, but it was exclusively built on trust. nobody had to like anybody, i think that's an understanding, bobby, in the middle east. the arabs don't like the american position which they've seen as being proisraeli for a long time. there's been some sense of fair dealing. to me the surprising part is where pompeo in that recording didn't give what appeared to be a little hug to this plan. he really sort of said, whatever, it might work, it might not work. it is the secretary of state ultimately who has to go to the capital and say -- >> sell it. >> yeah, we're going to back this thing. america is going to help you make this thing work if you're in, right, bobby? >> that's exactly right. it has to come with american guarantee. without that guarantee, nothing else is ever going to get off of the ground in the region. as you pointed out, in the past, whenever there's been any
progress, it's because you have an american president guaranteeing it. when you have -- without that guarantee from the mediator, in this instance, it's america, nothing is going to progress. >> do you think those are examples of a trusted broker creating real progress or peace? >> yes, there have to be each of those two -- each of the two parties have to be able to trust the negotiator, have to believe that the negotiator would follow through on the promises each was making to the other. the problem in this region where neither side is prepared to believe that the other will keep its promises and there's a long history of broken promises here. who is to guarantee that those promises are made. that guarantee has to exist and
only the united states in this time and in this place can make that guarantee. >> remember, that peace holds today, peace between israel and egypt, and if i didn't, the world would be a yet more dangerous place. >> bobby, thank you for being here. you are here to be trusted. just to be clear. i just think it's a line you shouldn't use if you're a negotiator. >> i think what he meant to say is, it's not about me and he failed to say it. >> i agree. i don't think he meant ill in the statement. >> but -- >> if you're a negotiator, i think -- >> i'm someone you should trust. i agree with you. there could be a cease-fire in president trump's trade war. china and mexico are ready to step up talks. what that could mean next. you're watching "velshi & ruhle." we'd like you to trust us, right here on msnbc.
>> i think it's partly a respect for the institution. >> you mentioned being in a position too long. does that mean you're looking at things like the tariffs as a positive? because that's not something i would have expected of you two years old. >> they're just different questions. i think it's appropriate we separate them. >> well, i don't give advice like border security, but i can say that, you know, if you look, they're at the table. >> his departure comes as both china and mexico are now willing to step up trade talks with the united states. here's the question. what does that even mean? >> kal kala aea tausche -- whic
months later actually happened. the president believes that using tariffs to achieve policy goals is something that actually works here. i think we should note that as acting chief of staff, for fewer than three times on a briefing call, it is his hope that the president doesn't put -- and mexico has said that it is willing to make some changes to its immigration policy. so we'll see whether those talks can actually be fruitful.
where the president's economic advisers do not believe these policies work, but they are charged with implementing them. >> but kevin hasset has been clear of dwyering. what these policies would means. he puts these things forward, but he will be the first to say that he's not at the negotiating table with china. he's not at the negotiating table with mexico. he's an economist, weighing in from an academic perspective and it's ultimately up to the president and the people in those rooms on how to proceed. yesterday, chief of staff, mick mulvaney was deadly serious about his threats with mexico. but others have said. >> he said this is just to get mexico's attention. we'll see whether he goes
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>> the message comes from a recent controversy. courtney, tell us more about this message from acting secretary han ahan that was delivered to the administration? just yesterday mick mulvaney is pushing this off like, no biggie, you know, a young person made the decision. >> well, remember, steph, this was a message that acting secretary shanahan delivered to his chief of staff, who then delivered it to the white house military office. so it's not so much -- the military office is -- while he was delivers this message, he wasn't delivering it so much to the administration or certainly even to president trump. what we did hear from both acting secretary shanahan and, as you referenced, from act the white house chief of staff is
that far this administration, this matter seems to be closed. acting secretary shanahan said he does not plan to launch an vision, and mick mill vaughnie, which pressed by chuck todd, our colleague, he says he does not anticipate anyone from the white house will be fired from this. as you also referenced he said this was the result of a 23 or 24-year-old advance person who had an idea and it moved up the chains. >> courtney, thank you. when people in the military are sort of making these decisions about what the president does or does that like and what he might see or doesn't see, it seems a little light. >> remember, we learned this a few months ago when we got the schedule, and all the information that was being kept, but even the rationale, if you
don't want to do things to upset him, my kids tell me they don't like who to sit next to. >> her executive producer said she is doesn't like to sit next to between 1 and 2:00 p.m. from then on, i'm in great shape. >> someone else is in our seat for the next hour. >> i'm in great shape at 2:00. casey hunt is taking over next. >> thanks, cakasie. >> thank you. i'm in for katy tur, where kevin -- across the atlantic for a state visit.