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we'll check in with you frequently. that's all for "all in" this evening. i'm ali velshi. thanks you to at home for joining us this hour. happy to have you with us. a little bit of breaking news for you right off the top here. we just got a court ruling in missouri tonight. now, for the past few weeks, we have been reporting on the situation in the state of missouri where the republican governor there, mike parson just signed into law an abortion ban passed by the republican-controlled state legislature. that is happening a lot in a lot of different republican-controlled states now because republicans coast to coast believe they have succeeded in getting the exact no more of justices on the supreme court to make abortion a crime in this country again. but in missouri in addition to their governor signing a new state-level abortion ban, that state has also been doing something else.
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they have also been moving aggressively to take away the license from the last abortion clinic in that state. this is the last clinic that missouri hasn't been able to put out of business. and the reason that effort in missouri has been the subject of national focus is because if the state succeeds, missouri will be the first state to go completely dark in terms of legal abortion prierds since roe v. wade in 1973 that states couldn't not that i can procedure illegal, that women in all 50 states must be allowed access to abortion. missouri is trying to make itself the first state where it is not possible to get a legal abortion in the state. so there have been basically three different things to watch here when it comes to missouri. one, of course, is the abortion ban they just signed into law. that ban, just like all the
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other bans that have been signed this year, it plainly violates the constitutional standards set by roe v. wade. it is definitely heading to court like all the other abortion bans that all the other republican states are passing. that's the first thing the whole country is watching when it comes to reproductive rights to see if these abortion bans are going to be struck down in the courts, or will one or more beat a path to the supreme court. so justices kavanaugh and soar such and alito and they can overturn and criminalize abortion. that's the first thing to watch, the ban. the second thing we have been watching is what the state of missouri is doing as they try to put that last clinic out of business. we reported last week that as the state government is trying to force the last clinic to close, missouri state government has started forcing the doctors
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at that last clinic to stir medically unnecessary pelvic exams to win, unwanted, unnecessary, internal vaginal problems by ord probes by order of the state. they are being administered as a mandatory thing. we know this is happening because since the state started forcing them to do this a couple weeks ago, the staff and doctors at that clinic have started raising the alarm about the fact that they're being forced to do this and how terrible this is for their patients. atlas state law in missouri that requires women to get a pelvic exam before an abortion. doctors at that clinic do pelvic exams before they do an abortion as a matter of course. but as the state is trying to shut down the clinic, the state government has newly decided that women must endure a whole extra pelvic examination that she doesn't need and the doctor doesn't want to give her as basically the cost of her asking for an abortion. basically as the new price they're extracting from each
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female patient before they allow the clock to start ticking on a mandatory state-imposed 72-hour waiting period, which must elapse before the woman is allowed to proceed to get the abortion whereupon she gets another pelvic exam. i should tell you that as of today the state government in missouri has let us know they are upset about our coverage. they have put out a press release about it denouncing our coverage of this, but our reporting on this matter is correct and the state has not substantively rebutted any of it. they don't like this is becoming national news, so that's worth watching too to see if missouri keeps up this new policy of forced vaginal exams for women as a cost of asking to get an abortion. that is worth watching to see if they keep doing this now that everybody in the country knows they're doing it and they don't appear to like that. but the third and final thing to watch on this missouri standoff
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has been the court fight not over the abortion ban in the state like all the other republican-controlled states that are passing these bans, they're all going to have federal court fights on their hands. in missouri there's a separate category of court fight that's happening, which is the fight over whether the last clinic in the state will be allowed to keep its doors open. well, tonight we just got a court ruling in the standoff between the state government and that last clinic which the state has been trying to shut down by yanking its license to operate. in tonight's ruling from missouri, the matter still is definitely -- it's not over, it's not settled definitively, but tonight a state judge in missouri has basically added two more weeks to the clock for the clinic to stay open. both sides, the state government and the clinic will be back in court at the end of next week to decide whether or not that planned parenthood gets to keep their license. but the judge gave them this
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week and next week to stay open in the meantime. watch this space on the missouri situation. there's a lot of moving parts here, but with this latest ruling this evening, looks like that last clinic does have a couple more weeks to operate. today the democratic-controlled house in washington did not open up an impeachment inquiry on the basis of the evidence turned up in the robert mueller investigation. but today the democratic-controlled house did hold a hearing titled lessons from the mueller report, presidential obstruction and other crimes. now, in theory, the way this is supposed to work when a dually appointed inquiry turns of evidence of criminal behavior or other misbehavior by the president, in theory what's supposed to happen is the congress should follow up on that investigation by validating those findings from the investigation, speak to witnesses themselves, flush out the story, congress should decide whether or not an impeachment inquiry or some other form of congressional
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inquiry or oversight or censure is warranted. that's how it should work in theory. in our lives, in this case, what happened is mueller produced his report, congress still can't even get the whole thing or any of the supporting materials mueller used to put his report together and they can't speak to the fact witnesses from the report. at least thus far because that's been the approach of the justice department under attorney general william barr and the trump white house. and they have been sticking to that as long as they can. we are going to fight all the subpoenas and defy all supbpoens and block all witnesses from testifying to these committees. because of that approach from the administration, today in the absence of any fact witnesses from the mueller report being allowed to testify, all of the fact witnesses from the trump administration thus far have been blocked by the white house from testifying. today the judiciary committee instead convened this hearing on
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mueller's report without any of the fact witnesses from the report. they did bring in two respected former prosecutors and a conservative legal scholar and this man, richard nixon's white house counsel john dean who testified today at length about the parallels she saw between the obstruction of justice allegations that mueller outlined in his report about president trump, the parallels between those allegations and the obstruction of justice allegations that led to articles of impeachment being drawn up against richard nixon, which, of course, ultimately led to richard nixon's resignation. we have more coming up tonight on that hearing, including speaking with a member of that committee who was part of that hearing today and one of the star witnesses from that hearing today is going to be our guest live here tonight. but i think to everybody's surprise some of the real drama in congress and some of the real
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drama on that issue today happened two hours before that hearing was gaveled into session when the chairman of the judiciary committee jerry nadler announced that the justice department had relented and finally decided they were going to allow the judiciary committee to see some of the underlying material that formed the basis for mueller's report. really? this was announced by nadler today and it was like, really? are you sure this isn't some snookering plot? is this -- i mean, we are going on three months since mueller first submitted his report. throughout that time the judiciary commit has been demanding to see not just the unredacted report but the underlying evidence. and the justice department has been saying no, no, no, no no, you can't see it. that request for the underlying material became a denial of that request. the denial of that request led to a subpoena. that subpoena led to a defiance of the subpoena. that became a threat to hold the
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attorney general in contempt that then became a vote on the judiciary committee to hold the attorney general in contempt for defying that subpoena, and that tomorrow was about to be a vote in the full house to hold attorney general william barr in contempt at which point the attorney general went uncle uncle uncle uncle, no, no, no, i give in, don't hold me in contempt, whatever you do, don't hold that contempt vote, okay, i relent, here, you can see the underlying materials from mueller's report. which as a process is interesting. i mean, now we know that this is apparently how things are going to go. apparently we're going to have to do this in this exact order over and over again in order to get any progress here. i mean, there are things like this in life. first you put on your undies and your pants and then your belt and you really can't do those in any other order: but apparently that is how it's going to be have to work with obtaining information about the mueller
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investigation as well. if you were the relevant committee in congress that's supposed to have that information, undies, pants, then belt. we know that because we saw this exact same pattern happen a week or so ago with the intelligence committee. by statute the intelligence committees are entitled to counterintelligence information and foreign intelligence information that's turned up by the justice department, including in the course of a special counsel investigation. they get that stuff. that's why intelligence committees exist. nevertheless, when mueller's redacted report was released to the public and there was no sign in that report of what happened to any of the counterintelligence investigation that had reportedly been started at the fbi concerning the president and the potential import of all those contacts between his campaign and his business and the russian government including all those contacts and ties they lied about, when there was no sign of that investigation in
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mueller's report, the intelligence committee including adam schiff, demanded that the justice department hand over that information, hand over the counterintelligence and foreign intelligence information that was produced as part of this investigation because it's not in the report. what happened to that stuff? the intelligence committees are legally entitled to get that type of information. in that case the justice department under attorney general william barr, they initially said no, no, no, you can't have it. so that request for information from the intelligence committees led to a refusal from the justice department that led to a subpoena from the intelligence committee, which led to william barr defying the subpoena. that led to the threat of a contempt vote going scheduled, put on the calendar by the intelligence committee. we're going to vote to hold you in contempt. and that caused william barr to say uncle, uncle, uncle. i know i've been saying no for a couple months without any basis for saying no, but here you go,
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finally, here's some of your stuff. don't hold me in contempt. this is the process you go through, right? you ask for something you're legally entitled to, they say no, you subpoena, they defy the subpoena, you hold them in contempt, they say nana nah. but having gone through that process, undies then pants then belt, having gone through this process which apparently they're going to make congress do for all of this stuff, as of a weekar so ago, the intelligence committee is apparently now finally receiving some of the counterintelligence and foreign intelligence information that was the basis for mueller's report only because they got within an inch of holding barr in contempt and he finally relented. according to the judiciary committee as of midday today, they are also finally starting to receive the underlying evidence from mueller's report despite all these weeks of the justice department saying no and
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the only reason they're getting it now because they came within an inch of holding attorney general barr parr in contempt. turns out attorney general william barr really doesn't want to be held in contempt. that apparently really pushes his buttons. now the democrats in the house know which of his buttons to push and where they are. again, according to the judiciary committee, they are getting this underlying material as of today. what are they getting exactly? we're not sure. hoping we may get more clarity from our judiciary committee guest in just a moment. but we do have some clues. in the course of the committee's back and forth with the justice department where they were previously trying to get this stuff, the committee did produce a provocative list describing things from mueller's report that they wanted to see. we got this in a letter from nadler to the judiciary committee. that big, long list you see, that's a list of 302s that the committee wants to see a 302 is
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the number on the form that the fbi uses when they write up official notes from their fbi interviews. anytime anybody spoke with the mueller investigation, any witness who came in and talked too mueller, the fbi would have had one agent in that interview, and the fbi would write up a 302 about the content of that interview. they would write up formal notes from that interview. the judiciary committee already previously explicitly told the justice department they want to see all of these 302s. they want to see the fbi official interview notes from all these people from steve bannon who did four different interviews with the fbi and has four different 302s from, new jersey governor chris christie, from michael cohen, the president's now imprisoned personal lawyer. they went six different 302s because six different interviews. they want them from rob porter and steven miller and mack narnld and paul manafort and
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john kelly who was white house chief of staff until recently. they want the 302s from jeff sessions, former attorney general. reince priebus, another former white house chief of staff. plus a bunch of other trump white house officials like jared kushner and hope hicks and sean spicer and sarah sanders. they demanded notes taken from a bunch of different people inside the trump administration. they got specific dates on those notes because these specific notes are cited in the mueller report. so the committee knows that these things exist. rob porter's notes, reince priebus's notes, corey lewandowski's notes, lots of notes from annie johnson. lots of notes from a man listed as joseph hunt who familiarly goes at jodie hunt. he was cited for his contemporaneous notes when he was serving for jeff sessions.
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they want the memo to file that trump's white house counsel's office drafted after sally yates came up from the justice department to warn the less than one week old trump administration that the serving national security adviser they had just installed was compromised by the russian government, have you ever thought that might be a problem for the country and you should get rid of him? remember they didn't actually get rid of him after that warning from the justice department, but apparently somebody in the white house counsel's office wrote a note to file about that warning that they got about michael flynn and what they apparently weren't going to do in response to it. the judiciary committee wants that memo to file. they also want the draft termination letter for james comey, the one the president ordered to be drawn up explaining he was firing james comey because of russia. that's before they decided they should maybe roll out a different pretext for it.
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one of the alleged obstructive acts by the president in mueller's report is him directing can it mcfarland to draft a false document saying she can vouch for the fact that president trump never told michael flynn to talk about sanctions. according to the mueller report, mcfarland could vouch for no such thing. nevertheless the president told her to create a false record saying that she could. she didn't ultimately create that false record according to mueller's report. she did, however, create some sort of memorandum for the record. they want that file as well. that's just some of it. the list goes on and on. we don't know exactly what they are going to get or what they have started getting, but according to the committee, they started getting some of it today. tomorrow there will still be a vote in the house related by these efforts by congress to get
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documents and these witnesses to testify because attorney general william barr is now handing over the underlying materials to the judiciary committee, they apparently are not going to vote to hold him in contempt but they are going to vote to give themselves an interesting new avenue for access to information. you might remember around the time mueller's report came out and we learned barr was going to redact it. one of the controversies was barr said he was going to redact from mueller's report all grand jury information, all information that was testimony to the grand jury. stuff that was handed over by a subpoena by the grand jury. so those 302s, those notes from fbi interviews that i was explaining a second ago, when you have a note like that, when you have a form likes to, when you've done a voluntary interview, those are from people coming in and speaking voluntarily with the fbi agents
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and prosecutors working for mueller. so the reason the judiciary committee is asking straight away to see all the 302s is that none of that stuff is grand jury material. all of that stuff was based on voluntary testimony to the fbi and to mueller's prosecutors. that's why they're asking right away for the 302s. that's not grand jury material. but tvl same witnesses who did 302s who came in and did voluntary interviews and a bunch of other witnesses also gave sworn testimony to the grand jury in addition to any voluntary conversations they might have had with the fbi. and that grand jury testimony at this point is still not being made available to the committee, and it can't be made available unless a judge allows it to, unless a judge orders that that grand jury-related information can be shown to congress. well, this is interesting. one of the things the house is reportedly going to vote on tomorrow is giving judiciary committee chairman jerry nadler the ability to go straight to a judge to ask for a federal court order allowing that grand jury
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information to finally be released to his committee. all this time jerry nadler has been asking william barr, please ask a judge, please work with us, and we can ask a judge together, please start the process of asking a judge and getting a court order so we can get at a grand jury information, and the justice department has been giving him the hand, no, we're not going to do any of that. jerry nadler as of tomorrow may be empowered by a vote in the houses to go to a judge himself to seek the okay from a federal judge for all that grand jury information, all that grand jury testimony, anything subpoenaed by the grand jury to be given to him and his committee. so this is happening now. we knew this was all possible, right? but this is happening now. i mean, they had their first hearing in response to the mueller report today. they are starting for the first time as of today to get the underlying information from mueller's report because they pushed william barr up against a
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wall and he felt like he finally had to do it to avoid being held in contempt. tomorrow they will vote on the first thing they need to do to get the other information, the grand jury stuff, they're finally putting the thing in motion to get that stuff released. then the day after tomorrow the intelligence committee's going to hold their own hearing on mueller's investigation. now that they have started to obtain the underlying counterintelligence and foreign intelligence information that was turned up in the course of mueller's work. that wednesday hearing is going to be called the lessons from the mueller report, a counterintelligence implications of volume i, which is about the russian attack on the election and the trump campaign's many, many contacts with the russians. so today, big announcement, first hearing. tomorrow, big vote. wednesday, another big hearing. it feels like it has taken them a while to get up and running in terms of trying to follow up on what mueller found, trying to plumb the depths of it of
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whether or not it leads to potential impeachment. it has, in fact, taken them a while to get up and running with this stuff. but as of today, they are doing it. they are on it. and that means the action here on this scandal, on this investigation, as of today it's as much now in congress as it is in the courts. we'll have more later on tonight about what his going on in the courts because a bunch of stuff happened there too. again, it's big news tonight that congress is finally today getting its first access to the underlying materials that gave rise to mueller's report and the evidence that he laid out about obstruction of justice by the president. a member of the judiciary committee joins us next. stay with us of some judiciary committee joins us next. stay with us of some -[ scoffs ] if you say so. ♪ . sorry? re isn't telling you is that snapshot rewards safe drivers with discounts on car insurance. -what? ♪
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when you're not, you pay for data one gig at a time. use a little, pay a little. use a lot, just switch to unlimited. it's a new kind of network. call, visit or go to xfinitymobile.com. . i am pleased we have reached an agreement to review at least some of the evidence underlying the mueller report, including interview notes, first-hand accounts of misconduct and other critical evidence. this material will be made available without delay to members of the committee on both sides of the aisle. >> jerry nadler announcing that
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finally congress has succeeded in prying loose from the justice department at least some of the underlying evidence that robert mueller and his team turned up in the course of their investigation. the judiciary committee specifically has been demanding this ever since word crossed that mueller had completed his investigation. nadler made that announcement that some of the underlying material is finally being handed over. he announced that today just as the committee was convening its first hearing on mueller's findings. joining us is david cicilline. sir, i prior to you being here tonight. thanks for your time. >> my pleasure. >> so what are you guys getting in terms of underlying evidence from mueller's report? what do you expect you'll actually get to see? >> we'll get witness statements, 302s, which are fbi reports. we'll get all the documents that are referenced in the mueller report that support the findings of the special counsel. today the committee staff was over at the doj in an initial show of good faith, looking at
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initial documents. over the next several days, their protocols would be established for the members to be able to go and begin our review. >> is the justice department deciding on a case-by-case document by document basis what you're going to see, or are you getting all the 302s, all the whole categories of information. >> it's my understanding all the documents will be provided. we'll have a vote tomorrow on the civil contempt citation so if there's a disagreement about documents not being furnished, we'll have the mechanism to compel their production. save for the grand jury testimony which, of course, tomorrow we will authorize the committee chair to initiate civil proceedings to obtain the grand jury proceedings as well. >> i just want to make sure i understand that last point. i was trying to put that in context in the introduction here. for me, it's always been -- i'm not a lawyer following these things from outside. it's always been through looking
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glass. but the grand jury material was redacted from the report. it would require a court order for that information to be released to congress because grand jury secrecy is a paramount concern. your committee has been asking the justice department to get that kind of an okay from a federal judge. but with this vote tomorrow, the justice department will now be beside the point and you will be able to go to the judge yourself? >> right. remember, in the last recent example of the starr report, ken starr went to court to get permission to release the grand jury testimony, and the day he released the entire report, he also produced 17 boxes of documents, including the grand jury proceedings. he did that on his own. that's what transparency looks like. mr. barr has refused to do this, so this will authorize the judiciary committee chairman to initiate litigation seeking the authorization from the court without the assistance of mr. barr. would have been nice if the
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attorney general did it in a collaborative way with the committee, but he expressed repeatedly that he had no intention of doing that. >> he clearly is not going to collaborate with you on this. do you have a sense if he's going to actively opposite you on this? will want justice department trying to try to block your committee from obtaining this information? >> it's always better, of course, if he were to be the moving party or to do it with the committee. but i think the committee has a very strong standing to request and receive the grand jury proceedings. they're essential to our review of the underlying facts of this investigation. and i expect the court will grant that request. >> congressman, you mentioned the judiciary committee staff were over at justice department today looking at some of these first materials that have just been made available. is that the way this is going to work that you're not actually going to have this information conveyed to you? it's just going to be shown you to and staffers at the justice department, but you're not able to take it away? >> that's right. we'll go to the justice department to review the
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documents as well as our after the. >> does that mean the public will never have the opportunity to see any of this stuff? you'll be able to see it in camera but not see it? >> some of these documents -- it really depends on what the dmitri does in terms of an impeachment inquiry. we'll have an opportunity to see the documents, discuss the contents. if we think it's essential to produce them for use at a hearing and they don't agree to that voluntarily, we have to issue a subpoena. >> having an impeachment inquiry open at this point would make a difference? >> i think there's no question that the court has held the power of congress is at its zenith but it has tremendous authority during you are a traditional oversight. so i expect if we see documents that we think are essential to produce for the public, we'll have the ability to do that. >> congressman david cicilline, member of the house judiciary committee. that was super clarifying.
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so today the educational committee administrate house had the first of a series of hearings on the mueller report. things are going to move fast here. after today's first mueller report hearing and the announcement today that the judiciary committee is finally being given access to the underlying evidence from mueller's report, that all
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happened today. tomorrow the full house is going to vote to give the judiciary committee chairman the authority to go straight to the courts to try to persuade a judge to also hand over the grand jury from the mueller report, then the day after tomorrow the house intelligence committee's going to start its own series of hearings on mueller's report. the first one being on counterintelligence implications of mueller's report. as much as the action on this scandal, on this investigation has previously been in the courts, as of today, as of this week, it really is shifting into congress in a sort of serious way. but that's not to say there isn't a lot of action still going on in the courts. again, this week is going to be a busy one, not only with all that stuff happening in congress, but this week, for example, we're going to have a status update in the mike flynn case which seems to have been going haywire in recent days. we may find out why that is, we may find out what is happening at what appears to be end of
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mike flynn's criminal case as his attorneys and prosecutors both go back to the judge at the end of this week. so that will be fascinating to see. he fired his attorneys. just today the president's lawyers argued to the d.c. circuit of appeals that the mazars accounting shouldn't respond to a subpoena. their argument is that congress is never ever, ever, ever ever allowed to investigate a president ever for committing any crimes. the argument is exactly as blunt as it sounds, but that's what they're going with trying to block the president's accounting firm from responding to a congressional subpoena to hand over his financial information. their argument is literally when presidents commit crimes, presidents definitely can't be investigated for committing crimes. see how far that takes you. in addition this week, the bizarre and disturbing case of
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george nader, who is a frequent presence in the trump white house for the first year of the president who had taken multiple high-level meetings with senior campaign officials throughout the campaign, george nader today moved one step closer to facing trial on serious child pornography charges. as a federal judge ruled the government has probable cause to move forward with its prosecution effort against him. nader has been denied bail and is in custody in a federal detention facility in virginia while he is awaiting the start of that trial. also late on friday night we learned about important new developments in the mystery case. do you remember that? a foreign-owned entity which a lot of people think is a bank, which has been fighting a subpoena for months, that subpoena required them to hand over documents to mueller's inquiry. we don't know what the company is that is resisting the subpoena. we don't know what country they are from. in court filings late friday
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night we learned that the mystery case company, in fa, hand over 1,000 pages of material. federal prosecutors still believe the company was holding back something that's important. i mean, what's going on with the mystery case? i don't know. but the most interesting thing about the mystery case all along is we have no idea what it is really all about. but now the newly pubically facing court documents, filings in this case show that the investigation that gave rise to the subpoena, it proceeded the appointment of mueller, it was handled by mueller while he was special counsel. when mueller closed up shop this month, he than they case to the u.s. attorney's office in d.c. it's dpongoing and serious. who knows what that's all about, but that is still ongoing. we also know an associate of
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roger stone, andrew miller, fooirnl turned up to testify before the grand jury this week after he too fought his subpoena for nearly a year. mr. miller's lawyer says he was asked about his work for roger stone. stone's movements around the republican national convention in 2016. his interactions with wikileaks to try to hurt hillary clinton and help trump win the election. one interesting point here is the andrew mill case fooirnl also comes to a close is that miller's lawyer says although he had initially been subpoenaed to testify to the grand jury that was being used by mueller, when miller finally gave his testimony this past week, it was to a different grand jury. it was not to mueller's grand jury, so that tells us that maybe mueller's grand jury has closed up shop too as special counsel's office has been closed. so all this to say there are at
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least a dozen, maybe two dozen different ways this scandal and this matter at large continue to work their way through the courts. but while we can when we continue to monitor all that stuff, now as of this week there really are new ways to work through congress as well. stay with us. stay with us in my line of work,
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aleve. proven better on pain. it's quite striking and startling to me that history is repeating itself, and with a vengeance. that's why i've spoken out. >> the facts contained can that report would be sufficient to prove all of the elements necessary to charge multiple counts of obstruction of justice. >> the conduct described in the report constitutes multiple crimes of obstruction of justice. i'm confident if anyone other than a sitting president committed this conduct, that person would be charged with crimes. >> the hearing was called lessons from the mueller report,
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presidential obstruction and other crimes. for over four hours the judiciary committee today heard testimony from president nixon's former white house counsel john dean, who knows a thing or two on the obstruction of justice, as well as former u.s. attorneys and msnbc contributors joyce vance and barbara mcquade. >> the special counsel's team wasn't able to find collusion between the trump campaign and russia, but apparently you did. >> so mueller in his report is careful to clarify that he's not making any decision about collusion. that is a far cry from saying that there was no evidence of collusion. there's a bunt evidence of collusion in this report. >> you said i think this case is far wrs than watergate. obviously you were wrong that there was conspiracy or collusion with russia. do you admit to that? >> i agree that robert mueller
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accounted that he could not establish the technical crime of conspiracy. however, i do think it was worse than watergate. i think this president worked with russia. the report says the investigation identified numerous links between the russian government and the trump campaign. it also says that the investigation established that the russian government perceived it would benefit from a trump presidency and -- >> i only have 25 seconds left. >> reclaiming my time. if you're going to read from the mueller report, i am definitely reclaiming my time because that stuff is -- barbara mcquaid joins us live next. stay with us. like job. when he was diagnosed with cancer, his team at ctca created a personalized care plan to treat his cancer and side effects. so job could continue to work and stay strong for his family. this is how we inspire hope. this is how we heal. we love you, daddy. good night. i love you guys.
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go to xfinity.com/moving to get started. in the report constitutes multiple crimes of obstruction of justice. i'm confident that if anyone other than a sitting president committed this conduct, that person would be charged with crimes. >> joining us now is former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor barbara mcquade who testified today before the house judiciary committee on their first hearing on the mueller investigation. i know it's been a really long day. >> glad to be here. >> lou was it? do you think this is a useful thing? do you think congress can get anywhere by holding hearings like this on the findings? >> if nothing else it was an opportunity to educate the public what's in the mueller report. it's understandable that many people have not read the 448-page report and don't know what's in it. people have said all i've heard is no collusion, no obstruction. today was an opportunity to walk
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through all the episodes of obstruction of justice and help the public understand how serious it was. >> was there anything you were hoping to get to say today or misconceptions you were hoping to rebut or something else you were expecting or hoping for today that you didn't get to say? >> i did get a chance to say most of the things i wanted to say. a couple things that came up that i would love to have had an opportunity to correct, some of the republicans began their questions to other witnesses by talking about the steele dossier as if that is what started this investigation. in fact, the report says that's not what started it at all. it was comments from george papadopoulos to an australian diplomat that they had e mails from hillary clinton that would be used in a disapparentlying way during the election. that started the case. the other thing i wish i had had a chance to say is some of the republicans seem to deliberately miss pronounce robert mueller's name as mueller.
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i wanted to say it's mueller. >> is that going to be a partisan tic now the way republicans call it the democrat party instead democratic party. >> the name mueller was said hundreds of times except for two members who insisted on causing him muller. >> one of the things i've been thinking about this thinking about it in a big picture way in terms of what happens to this investigation, what happened if we get more insight into the counter intelligence side of this, what happens if congress is able to actually get somewhere with looking at the underlying evidence, looking at the intelligence findings, able to pursue this and answer some of the unanswered questions. do you feel like republicans and democrats are on such different planets when it comes to a factual understanding of what happened that it's impossible to have a substantive conversation about the real implications for country? is this a mars and venus situation? >> at the moment, i think there
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are some really polar opposites in congress and certainly on the judiciary committee. it was clear that they were really coming from a very different place when they were thinking about the evidence. the key is the american people. i think if the public understands what is in that report about obstruction of justice and also understanding the significance that by trying to end mueller's investigation, what trump was doing was actually threatening our national security by preventing us from understanding the russia threat. if the american people understand that, then their representatives in congress have to come around. >> your willingness to be there for all those hours today especially in the middle of that partisan scrum and your hopefulness this kind of process can be a way for people to understand it buoys me in terms of my feeling about us and where we're going on this as a country. barb mcquade, and today great public servant for that work today. thank you. >> one more story to come here tonight. stay with us. one more story toe tonight. stay with us my insurance rates are probably gonna double.
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running for the united states senate sometimes requires a really big effort, even full have been an incumbent senator for decades. in 2014, when he was facing a strong challenge that year, kentucky republican senator mitch mcconnell got help with his campaign back home from a fixture in local republican -- local kentucky republican politics. he turned as he had before to a kentucky republican fixture, a campaign operative named todd inman. todd inman helped organize a pro coal tour after kentucky for mcconnell in 2014. according to inman's resume posted by pro publica, he produced all the in-state and national media campaign rallies and bus tour events and press conditionses for senator mcconnell's re-election campaign, 60 stops along a three-week tour. mitch mcconnell ended up winning that race in 2014, ultimately became majority leader of the senate, the most powerful man in the senate and that ends up
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being super important as it relates to todd inman's most recent job. this is the lead of a politico.com piece that dropped today "the transportation department under secretary elaine chao designated a special liaison to be help with other priorities specifically from her husband mitch mcconnell's state of kentucky paving the way for grants totaling at least $7 million for favored projects as mcconnell campaigned to campaign for lee election in 2020. his aide todd inman who stated in an e mail that chow had personally asked him to be as an intermediate drirks he helped to slice voo the senator and local kentucky officials on grants with special sig in any of cannes for mcconnell. so elaine chao, secretary of transportation, married to mitch mcconnell hires her husband's
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former campaign aide to be her own staffer and designates him specifically to help pave the way for transportation department funded projects in her husband's home state, things that would be particularly valuable to him as he runs for re-election. "choo's designation of inman as a special intermediary for kentucky a privilege other states do not enjoy gave a special advantage to prongs favored by her husband which could benefit his political interests in such situations ethicists say each member of a couple benefits personally from the success confident other." politi politico.com saying the secretary declined to comment tore this piece. the transportation told politico no state receives special treatment. except for the one that has the special intermediary for his part, todd inman says he was proud to work for secretary chow and he praise the department's career staff. senator mcconnell put out a statement praising kentucky.
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kentucky continues to punch bob its weight in washington and i am proud to be a strong voice for my constituents in the senate. yeah, by mumbling above your weights, you mean your wife, the cabinet secretary installed your former campaign aide as a special liaison to prioritize your pet projects at the transportation department to prioritize your re-election with federal taxpayer dollars then okay, sure. you are punching bob your weight and a number of other things, as well. she set up a special lane at the department of transportation specifically to fund things that would benefit her husband. i know we're supposed to be inured to this kind of thing, but even in the trump administration, but that does it for us tonight. see you again tomorrow. it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening. >> thank you for covering that story. i tried to figure out how to zweez it into this

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