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we're out of time. my thanks today to matt miller, jonathan swan, careen jean pierre and jason johnson. to our friends here at the washington bureau for hosting us, and to you for watching. a new cover-up. let's play "hardball." \s good evening. i'm crist matthews in washington. he's done it again. the president just told us he would take political dirt from a foreign government woke up this morning in full denial. in big 2020 news, the lineups are set which will be held over two nights. i'll predict the candidates, and at the end of this hour, back-seat denials. how trump and george
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stephanopoulos reminded me of a scene. >> i've seen a lot of things over my life. i don't think in my whole life i've ever called the fbi. in my whole life. you don't call the fbi. you throw somebody out of your office. >> you said that interference? >> it's not interference, it's information. i think he would tay it. >> in the face of a growing core us. criticism, he headed to his favorite tv show this morning to deny what he had said. >> if i was -- and of course you have to look at it. if you don't look at it, you know if it's bad. how do you know if it's bad? of course you give it to the fbi or report it to the attorney general or somebody like that. but of course you do that. you couldn't have that happen with our country. but how are you -- if you don't
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hear what it is, you won't know what it is. nobody is going to say bad things to me. they know i'm a very straight player. >> there's steve ducey shaking his head it obvious approval. and the report showed several links, and russia worked to secure the outcome and the campaign expected it would benefit from information stolen and released through russian efforts. they were working back and forth. moving ahead to the 2020 campaign, trump's campaign press secretary told cbs news that the campaign would you consider offering from foreign adversaries, bond us report them to the fbi. let's watch. >> the president's directive, he would likely do both. >> those comments, paired with the president, seemed like an invitation for other governments.
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president trump's position pits him against his own fbi director, chris wray. >> it's going to take all of us working together to hold the field. this threat is not going away. as i have said consistently, russia attempted to interfere with the last election, and continues to engage in maligned influence to this day. this is a threat we need to take seriously, and to tackle and respond to with fierce determination and focus. >> well, nearly a dozen law enforcement veterans tell politico the comments have undone months of work, essential inviting foreign spies to meddle with 2020 presidential campaigns, and demoralizing the agents trying to stop them. but the president doesn't look like he's helping that effortal all. abc news has obtained president trump's first internal reelection poll, conducted this march, showing joe biden beading
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trump by wide margins. the poll, which the president denied showed him with double-digit leads over him in pennsylvania and wisconsin. i'm joined by ambassador michael mcfall, natasha bertrand, and david fromme. natasha, what have you been able to wort leer? >> vet van law enforcement officials tells us that this task force is the exact opposite. their mission has been the exact opposite, in a good way, of the president's stated mindset, which is that they are trying to fight foreign interference, foreinfluence operations, and this is a combination of sigh other security, counter-intelligence and counter-intelligence officials that are working with every field offices in the country in order to combat interference and combat this threat that the
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president has essential said, bring it on, open door, we welcome it. in that sense, he's made the fbi's job a lot harder. now it's emboldened the adversaries that want to attack the 2020 election. one of the things they expressed concern over was bill barr, who is responsible for, you know, the priorities that the fbi has, the budget, the resources, he's been extremely aligned with this white house. so how is he going to look at this priority? >> ambassador, you've had experience, you've worked with station chiefs, you know how intelligence works. everyone works together, i like to think. how does this affect a station chief in moscow, the fbi, people working with counter intelligence when they hear the president of the united states i probably wouldn't tell the fbi what's going on if i got some dirt from an overseas government. okay, george, if you ask me about it, i would say the right answer, and then you call your
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favorite news program and tell steve ducey, yeah, yeah, i would do that, i think. this doesn't sound like the clarion call of a leader. >> i think that's right, chris. i think there would be two reaction from my friends in the intelligence community. one, of course it's demoralizing, because the president is encouraging the exact behavior that they're trying to counter, but two, i think it would also be, you know, just genuine believe that the president of the united states does not understand counter-intelligence. he doesn't understand that when foreigners show up to your campaign headquarters, they don't introduce themselves with a business card that says, hey, i'm work fog an intelligence organization from russia or iran, it's much more -- they have covers for that. he doesn't understand when he hand over information, two other things. one, they're doing that to advance the interests of their country, russia, not candidate
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trump or president trump. and, two, they may be providing disinformation at the same time they're provided alleged information. that's why i think that would be very deflating for that community. >> david, it seems like if you're fighting a war and you're in the trenches and find out the commander in chief, at least that person with that job description, isn't into the war. >> i think the situation is much worse than that. let's step back here and remember what it was that happened in 2016. in this great mess of words that we're all throwing up in the air, this story originated with the russians entering democratic servers or deceiving people to steal e-mail. it's exactly like watergate. it happened to be digital rather than physical, but it began with a theft, a crime. everybody knew who had done it. they knew it as early as the summer of 2016. when don trump got the
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invitation to meet with the russians, they weren't offering intelligence. they found some dusty archives that maybe you were interested. he knew there was the possibility of stolen property. that's what he went to the meeting to get. he was disappointed. they did not deliver the stolen property, but that's what he was trying to get. this is the fruits of the watergate break-in they're being tantalized with. ultimately when the fruit, the stolen product is produced, it's distributed through wikileaks, and then more devastatingly in the fall. "fox & friends," "hannity," all the trump talkers are saying, can you never have tea with the german ambassador? of course you can have tea. this is a russian theft that everyone understood at the time was happening and the trump people most of all understood and they wanted to receive the benefit of. >> it seems there's two realities. it's the president'ses reality,
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he's a beginner pall, and was going to lose to hillary, and not winning the presidency, you so he's having they meetings hanging around with russian ambassador, all these people trooping through the republican convention, walking around like it's an arcade they own. are the fbi people in their roles, are they watching this too? or did they miss what trump saw? in other words, could he have been -- he could have been the lookout for all of this stuff if he alcohols to? -- chose to? >> he should have, and that would have been the obvious right thing to do. what's so shocking about it, is after two years and the mueller investigation and years and years of talking about it he should have been -- to say i would never do that? that's the other part that is so shocking to me, that he just
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says what he thought. you know, i used to work at the white house at the national security council as well. we used to provide talking points for the president of the united states, to kind of shape the message we wanted for national security. that obviously also doesn't seem to be working here. it was just shocking to me what he said. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, this doesn't surprise anybody last night. he attacked democrats last night while ignore what the president said, not care to tell the fbi what he's up to when he's in cahoots with the russians. >> do you have a problem with that answer? the democrats seem to be taking that, saying aha, we told you so, it's on the to impeachment. >> they just can't let it go. i said weeks ago case closed. he gets picked at every day. >> he sounds like he's sitting on a corner at a local, i don't know, cracker barrel, chewing the tobago, and acting like he's not the senate leader.
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he talk with that hokey pokey way of talking, like i have no responsibility, i'm not running the government. >> he's a simple country lawyer, it's a charming idea. >> that's the game he's playing. >> he's one of the most sophisticated people. >> one of the this inns that the president said that was so important, why did mueller not suggest that charges were appropriate? he said, look, we can see the russians committing the karim acts and see the campaign welcoming in, but we couldn't find the evidence to connect the dots. we could never be sure that donald trump jr. was a sophisticated enough player to have the mental state to call him guilty. >> what? >> that was mueller's point, we did not know what was in his mind, same things about manafort and his friends in russia. >> what about alternative assumption, that he's runic a criminal activity without doing everything himself. >> that's why the statement was
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so important. donald trump just answered the question about state of mind. did you have the intention? he said -- one of the ways to know if you have guilty intentions, i have no idea, officer. that was a school zone, i should drive at 15. if you say to the officer, now that i've told you it's a school zone, how do you intend -- oh, i intend to go 5 a against. hands cusp on. >> the reason why his lawyers were smart enough not to let him testify. >> i think that's exactly right. he would say something like this. >> admit motive. >> and i think now he realizes that he made a mistake. i think his advisers are telling him you need to clean this up. that's why we saw the "fox & friends" bur view. >> i love the way steve does the approving dad thing. >> i would call the fbi, and he's like, yes, yes, good for you, youngman. >> one of the things that makes
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no sense about this new talking point, this doesn't have anything to do with 2016. the president said he would accept foreign help in 2020. it's about what david said. >> ambassador, do you think vladimir putin heard that, when he said he would take dirt, he has no problem with it? how quickly do you think the associates of the kremlin leader got that news to him earlier that night? >> of course, because remember when they're going to offer information, thee also trying to gather information, seeking agents, but they're not the only ones. that's the other thing. when i listen to his comments, why does the president always assume that all foreign agents around the world are going to be on his side in 2020? so he's opened up the -- you know, the invitation for all kinds of people to be involved. that is not in america's national security interests. i'm glad he's walking it back, we should give him credit for
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that. i think what he sauce was he was being honest in his own preferences the other day. >> just as a thank-you note to the speaker of the house, he called her a fascist today. that was night. thank you, ambassador. thank you, gnash thatta, and dave. fact check friday. president trump says he never subjected fires special counsel mueller, never did it, no matter what his lawyers said. he said i didn't do nothing. check your brackets. it's like march madness. the candidates' lineups are set. we now know when night and which lineup. the single-digit people, they're going for the double-digit people. we're going to look at all key matchups and who might be a breakout candidate. know, something is going to win this thing. why did ohio flip? we're heading out to dayton,
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himself look like a good lawyer, or, or he believed it, because i would count tanly tell anybody that would include, club you, club the media, that robert mueller was conflicted. robert mueller had a total -- >> and has to go. >> i didn't say that. >> trump is asking him to take his word over the reports of the final report. moreover, trump is asking us to believe, instead of mcgahn, a seasoned lawyer, who testified -- he spoke until penalty of perjury, the .wiifully saying i may have said there was a conflict there, trying to find a little piece of truth there. tonight a person close to mcgahn dismissed the comments, telling nbc news it's just fantasyland. in contrast with mcgahn, the president refused to testify under oath, despite promising to
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do so. here's how the president -- >> if you answer they questions to me now, why not answer to robert mueller under oath? >> because they were looking to get us for lies, for slight misstatements. >> you didn't answer questions on obstruction. >> wait a minute, wait a minute, i answered them in writing. >> not on obstruction. >> i don't know. i answered a lot of questions. they gave me questions, i answered them in writing. >> not on obstruction. >> george, you're being a little wise guy, which is typical for you. it's very simple. there was no crime. >> little wise guy. he never stops. he did not answer any questions on obstruction of justice. fact. according to "the washington post," the president has made over 10,000 false or misleading claims since taking office. that's a lot.
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gene, you write about everything, wisely, explain why the trump -- the trump is or -- he givers him this tremendous wide-open interview, for whatever reason, to show off that he's president. he calls him little, says he's a wise guy, which is an ethnic slur in all kinds of ways. >> making stuff up. >> all george is quoting the president's own lawyer, who says -- it's hard to believe he is president -- the president says he told the truth, because he wants to look like a good lawyer. first of all he's violating confidence with the his client. he's just telling the truth. >> right. because he's under oath. if he lies, he could go to jail. >> good point. trump doesn't understand that. >> bad stuff could happen to him. the president did not put himself in that position. he calls george stephanopoulos a
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little wise guy, points that, and points out the fact that the president did not answer questions about obstruction of justice. he just didn't. somehow trump argues against just the fact. >> glenn, your thoughts. you've been through a lot of th this. >> if a don mcgahn says, listen, here's what your president did. he told me to fire the special counsel. when he said know, because that might be obstruction of justice, i told him to lie and create a false document. i don't know what's going through mcgahn's head, he's calling him a felon, and the question becomes what's mcgahn going to do?
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i think he might be waiting for, if we look through the lens of rational human behavior, maybe what he is wait fog is a judge to say all these privileges that the administration is asserting is nonsense, mr. mcgahn, you're free to testify. >> anita? >> he testified, talked to him for 30 hours. not only that, but robert mueller and his investigators would have talked to other people who have gotten other corroborating evidence. it's not just his word against his. there's a bit more to that. remember how upset president trump was when the mueller report came out. he was the one person that he was very upset with, don mcgahn. >> i think he doesn't understand people that tell the truth.
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the last time trump suggested that mcgahn had lied, he then suggested this -- >> reporter: is there a situation where don mcgahn is charged with perjury? >> i don't want to talk about that now. we have other things. >> what do we make of fantasyland? mcgahn wanted to protect himself, but he lets out the word clear l. which is okay, but the president's dename is fantasyland. >> i can't believe anybody who watches this would believe, as anita says, that don mcgahn went in and for 30 hours lied to falsely incriminate the president. >> a young lawyer whose entire status is at stake here. >> and it makes no sense. trump calls george stephanopoulos, you're a little wise guy? let's use at phrase from
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criminal practice. mcgahn gave up trump hard in those 30 hours. as soon as the american people gets to see that firsthand, i think it could be a turning point. >> i don't know if they're going to get to see it. >> once a judge clears him to testify. mcgahn can't take it poach himself to say i know these privileges apply, ike good deal to decide they don't and i'm going to walk into congress. he's waiting for a judge to do that. >> i thought executive privilege meant president nixon talking to kissener about talking to china. it wasn't criminal behavior. it wasn't about this stuff. what's to stop another person who no longer works in the white house for exercising theirs first amendment. some of these other people he's not. he's just saying don't testify. don't talk to congress and talk, and they're saying okay.
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>> what are they, dogs? >> they're not doing it. >> heel, sit? the president was also asked about senator kamala harris and her comments. >> she's running for president, she's doing horribly, way down in the polls, and poke han taos is cleaning her clock. and who wouldn't? >> how many slurs did he get in that sentence? >> i don't know, they came so fast. i don't even care. number one, i think she shouldn't have said that. i don't want my president making the decisions on who gets prosecutored. >> i think nixon said it once about manson. it doesn't help. >> i want an independent justice
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department making those decisions. the president's response was usual -- he topped it off by i probably would have said it. >> in other words we're all sleazy politicians. >> everyone is doing the parts are partisan thing. >> patrick moynihan just said deviance is downward, everything goes down. it seems like a developing democracy, when everybody said, if i win i'll put my opponents in jail, if i don't hinge, this is the lingua franca. >> she was la prosecutor, she knows a thing or two about the law. >> so what does that tell you? >> i agree, don't dumb yourselves down, on the other hand, we have the mueller report that sets out the elements of obstruction of justice, so i think a prosecution should be in
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play. >> you think it will be? we have to wait. >> what if he gets reelected? >> one of four more years of being king. >> what about statute of limitations. >> it will run. we'll we'll have to say, listen, the statute stops, it pauses because of the doj policy that says you can't indict him. that may not be a winning argument. >> it makes sense logically, like you don't have to pay off your student loan if you're in the army -- >> if you're the one person who cannot be prosecutored, it makes sense that the statute would be paused. however, i agree. >> i think old cases get tough. thank you, anita, glen, gene. the first debate is in two weeks. my bet, the 1%ers, who just made
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both nights of those debates, june 26th and 27th, in miami this month. on each of those two nights i predict candidates will square up with more of the swipes they've all right been taking out on the trail. let's ask or panelists here, elizabeth warren said she's done with one set of rules with democrats and when republicans spar, and amy klobuchar has said
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there has to be some compromise. on the second night florida governor hickenlooper is already going head to head with bernie sanders for his socialism. that will feat were pete buttigieg can't turn the clock back to the '90s, obviously going after joe biden. adrienne el rod, former adviser to hillary clinton, ginger, who will be the first to take a shot? >> i think it will happen on the second night. i think the first night will be light on swings, but on that second night with biden on the stage, with bernie sander and hickenlooper, these are some folks who have started to receive some incoming and will get even more. we can think back to the first debate. he did not take any swings at hillary clinton in that debate. he held off. i would be surprised if he gets
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through this full debate without taking a swipe at joe biden. when a attacks decree, b gains, isn't that beautiful? you pay for being neath, the person you hit gets hurt, but somebody else benefits. >> that's what's so fascinating. weal have been waiting for bated breath to know who will make the stage and who will be on which night. i don't think the first night will necessarily be tame. i think you'll see elizabeth warren try to create a stately type of persona. i don't think she's going to take a lot of swings. >> you the first democratic senator to call al franken, that was two years ago. here is what nay yor pete said about our "hardball" town hall, believe it or not just last week. it seems like a year ago.
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here we go. al franken, should he have been pushed to resign by his fellow caucus members? >> i think it was his decision to make, but i way we basically held him to a higher standard than gop does to their people has been used against us, do you think he should have been pushed to leave? >> again, it was his decision. >> i'm not asking about his decision. do you think the other members starting at the top, chuck schumer down, and the other people people who bush him to get out, were they right or wrong? >> i don't think we hold ourself to a higher standard. >> were they right to do that? they did. >> i would not have applied that pressure at that time before i noo we knew more. >> isn't it interesting how to get to an answer and now kiersten gillibrand -- to be es fair kamala was for it -- they were all very rough with that
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guy. they were worried about doug jones. >> it's going to be near impossible, i think for buttigieg to try to go after jill i brandt or draw any distinction this. he's already having to answer accusations because he's a white male, compared to the it did, and we'll see what the light does to buttigieg, but how do you answer that question, when you say they are paying attention to me more, because i'm the mayor of -- >> barney frank -- a brilliant gale, an openly gay guy, said it's because he's gale. it makes him interesting. >> i any there's different reasons why he's breaking out and gotten so much press attention. he's a great messenger. he represents a generational
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change, but when it comes to gillibrand, she's in desperate need for a breakout moment. >> is this a last-chance saloon for the summer? >> i think gillibrand will qualified for the second debate in july, but she has a hard time qualifying for the third debate. on the third debate, you have to get at least 2% of national polls and raise grass-roots donation. >> let me ask you both, i am -- is this a time to pick a presidential candidate that can be president and certainly by beating the other guy trump, or is it still the baskin and robbins era where you go in and say, i think i'm going to try pistachio today? >> i think it's the latter. >> i get the feel it's -- i sort of liked buttigieg last night, or i like this new tulki
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gabbard. >> i was on the trail last week, and i have to tell you there is a bit of that, but there's also this real desire for stability and calm. they see chaos that they want ended, and that's vanilla, no risks. >> safety school? >> yeah. it's -- warren seems great and buttigieg but biden is vanilla. >> i'm not sure he likes it, but he can own that. meanwhile, this morning president trump weighed in on several rivals. here comes the slur machine. hold your ears. >> look everybody knows that joe biden does not have what it takes. he doesn't have what it takes. everybody knows that. >> what does that mean? >> it means the mental capacity. it means a lot of different things. i see that pocahnas is doing
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better. i would love to run gere her bennie sanders is not doing well at all. i think it's probably those three. i don't see the other ones. i really don't see it. i don't see kamala. i think it's probably between thes three of them. >> mayor pete? >> i don't see that alternate all. i think that's a joke. >>. >> he got her name wrong. no doubt that elizabeth washen is on the rise, biden and bernie are -- >> is elizabeth passing bernie? >> i think she's going to. i think that the support she's building on the ground, she is very good in a town hall, and people are taking notice. >> the one thing we have to keep in mind is she's not bundling. she's not able to raise the funds in larger amounts to stay in the race. hopefully the grass-roots donations will come in. >> i hate conversations about fund-raising. i know it's necessary. it appalls me. >> she's taking a gamble. she has dwight the staff.
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anybody else running. >> i think the socialist tag is also not helping. the only polled group are those under 30 who are not at all like that title. thank you both. up next, a sneak peek at "hardball's" coming special event "the deciders." ohio, well, republicans need it to win. we'll find out how that state look next week. i'm want to see it. don't go anywhere. look next week i'm want to see it don't go anywhere. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that.
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welcome back to "hardball." on monday need, i won't be in washington or new york or with politicians or the big shots. instead i'll be in dayton, ohio, 10:00 this coming monday, talking to people who matter ahead of 2020. we call them "the deciders." ohio voted for obama twice, trump in 2016. the state did the same thing. nbc's caliperry went ahead this week to talk to voters about how they're feeling, for some the stronger economy is trump's card, it makes trump everything, even the president's behavior doesn't matter to those people. let's listen. >> people don't like exactly how he goes about doing it, but
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he -- that's trump. whether i like it or not, but the bottom line, he's getting things done. >> economically for me, it seems to be like 100% know if i woul preacher up in the white house i would have voted a preacher guy in. >> well, cal also talked to a left leaning voter who had a warning for democrats come 2020. let's watch. >> the democrats, i'm fed up with them because they're -- they've sold out to the corporations just like the gop, maybe not as bad. but bad enough to make me vote for -- i voted for jill stein in the last presidential election. and, you know, i don't feel like i wasted my vote at all. i exercised my voice of dissatisfaction with what the parties were serving up.
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and i -- you know, the democrats had that election to lose, and they did. they lost it. yooi'm afraid they're going to lose the next one, too. >> cal perry joins me right now. it's great you did the advance work on this and also working with me come monday night. what's the mood in the country -- let's talk about ohio, montgomery county, dayton, ohio. are they ready to vote for trump again? >> yeah, i think a lot of people are. you listen to what people say and i love the sort of deciders you did first in pennsylvania because a lot of those issues are the same in ohio where the bottom line is for many people the economic bottom line, right? you talked to people -- we spoke to one 21-year-old who's in the asphalt business and he said, look, i'm doubling my profits. so of course i don't like how the president is acting but my bottom line, the economic bottom line. and the other issue we're hearing about is health care and
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who will the democratic party run, who will the democrats run that can compete in these states? you may want to a liberal candidate, but in a place like ohio, in a place like pennsylvania, moderates and how people speak to people matters. this is what we heard today from governor bullock. who will position himself as a man who can talk to people outside that belt by the way. you and i have talked about this. the russia investigation doesn't rate at the dinner table. it doesn't rate as much as paying for your kid's tuition or putting food on the table. >> i guess another question that keeps leaping into my mind are the democrats who participate in these debates, the ones who go to the primaries and caucuses, are they going to represent the larger democratic vote because a lot of democrats just don't participate. but they do vote in november. jimmy used to say those people, the ones who don't show up for those primaries and debates, i
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think it's patriotic to vote in november and they vote. >> and how do you balance getting through the democratic primary with the general election, right? i mean 23 candidates all going at each other on two different stages on two different nights, i mean that's going to be really nasty. we saw the way republicans did this to their party two years ago during the presidential election. when you look at these debates and ahopeople are jockeying themselves around, who are going to position themselves to compete with donald trump in these places where you're talking to voters about jobs and about health care and less about how donald trump is behaving in public or how he behaves on these foreign trips. getting through that democratic primary, positioning yourself as someone who can win in a general but still winning in that primary is going to be incredibly tricky and you know better than anyone, chris, the way these candidates position themselves in the next few weeks is going to matter a great deal. >> the national poll recognizes
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people recognize a stronger economy but don't credit trump for it. but i sense that people do connect the two. >> they connect with the salesman job he provides. so he comes to your hometown and says look at those new jobs, employers can't find enough employees. what he's leaving out there are these employees are not paid a living wage. $10 an hour is not enough to support your family. but he comes to these towns, he spends time in them. that is key. every democrat we talked to in the midwest says hillary should have done a better job and she didn't do a good enough job and we have to do better in the future. >> we're going to tack about that. you and i are going to get the people to talk about that, the sense of being overlooked, discarded in these small middle sized cities because unfortunately the hillary campaign did not make these visits ahead of the election the way trump did.
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it's as simple as well who cares who shows up. we'll see you monday in dayton. by the way, don't miss the deciders monday night at 10:00 p.m. this week. and up next by the way trump in the back seat with george steflopdous, and those two guys crowded together in that back seat. it reminded me of one of the most famous movie scenes ever. stay with us. most famous movie scenes ever. stay with us patients that i see that complain about dry mouth, they feel like they have to drink a lot of water. medications seem to be the number one cause for dry mouth.
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good evening. an avid movie guy i've noticed a moment in politics that reminded me of what i once saw on film. and when i watched that interview with president trump and trump was trying to do nigh his polls were showing him losing in key states, i couldn't stop think of that other famous back seat seat of on the waterfront with trying to deny to his brother he had sold him out. >> and i could have had class. inside have been a contender. i could have been somebody instead of a bum, which is what i am. let's face it.
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>> okay, okay. >> in both cases two guys argue in the back seat but one truth sitting between them. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us and stay with us right here on msnbc. good evening. i'm donny deutsch, and i am thrilled to be here. there are exactly 507 days until the 2020 presidential election and tonight we break down the week's top stories and how they're shaping the battle for the white house in 2020. tonight, donald loves dirt. he doesn't seem to care where he gets it from either. >> somebody comes up and says, hey, i have information on your opponent, do you call the fbi? i've seen a lot of things over my life, i don't think in my whole life i've ever called the fbi. >> he's trying to walk that one back, but is this one more building block for nancy pelosi's criminal investigation strategy? plus why sarah the

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