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believe, i believe cases went wrong. if you've got dna evidence, the semen, you can't argue with science. i guess with you argue with climate change, you can. >> reverend, i had a feeling you would have something to say about that issue today. good to see the you, sir. thanks for sharing your views. always good to see you. don't miss the rev this weekend or any weekend on politics nation every weekend there is. that's all for tonight. back with are tomorrow. the beat with ari melber. >> thank you so much. we're tracking several major stories right now. donald trump threatening immigrants as he kicks off his re-election bid. later had his justice department intervening in paul manafort's case to protect him from detention at likers jail. and jon stewart toing mitch mcconnell over 9/11 funding. it is an important story and i'm thrilled to tell you we have a special guest that the rises to the level of the issues in that story later in the show. also, democrats tomorrow
planning to gil one of trump's closest aides hope hicks. we have a lot of that when we get through the entire episode if you stay with us. we begin with a day that only comes once in a president's tenure, the day a sitting president announces a bid for re-election. this development itself is obviously not any kind of surprise. people knew donald trump was running again just like they knew obama was running again. even in this untraditional era, this is actually a very traditional marker. it is a moment for a president to ask thefation for support and to show where he stands. is he doubling down on his original campaign or changing gears? for trump, well, he's formally declaring his election bid targeting immigration and threatening to deport millions let's be clear, when it comes to this president, he makes no pretense of spating the political operation from the governing because as his campaign launches on slamming immigrants, his administration, his government is trying to evict entire families from public housing based on a
trigger of one member of the household allegedly being undocumented. he's also trying to tighten rules for asylum border screenings. and, of course, continued to detain more than 13,000 children unaccompanied largely because of the government's own choices. and now resorting to using a military base that was once deployed as a japanese internment camp. before even stepping on stage tonight, we can show you trump is already drawing headlines for the message, an aimmigration crackdown obviously echoing his first remarks after he descended that escalator, him going right down the is ca later to introduce himself to the world as a presidential candidate and explain his priorities as the trump tower. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. they're rapists and some i assume are good people. >> that's how he started his bid for the white house.
today's rally we had a reporter catch up with trump supporters and they believe he's on the right track. >> you got your i.c.e., i.c.e. baby shirt on. >> we're hoping '8reinforce his original campaign promises of building a wall and keeping the illegals out. i lived in arizona the past 11 years. we see it every day. the illegals coming across. the trash, the disease. these people aren't interested in assimilating. >> he doesn't lie. i know y'all say he does. he doesn't. he doesn't. >> he's done his promises and he's building the wall. >> so that's the view from the trump base in orlando. they don't speak for the whole city. take the "orlando sentinal," a major paper that's mostly endorsed republican candidates in the past 60 years including romney in 2012. that paper is making waves with this unpless dented preemptive declaring they endorse not donald trump for 2020 writing
we've seen enough of the chaos, the division, the school yard insults, self-aggrandizement and especially the lies told out of lazness, recklessness, expedience or opportunity. trump doesn't take that kind of criticism, as well. today he's lashing out against negative feedback including a poll from fox news that shows opposition to his economic news and shows him trailing against democrats. it is too early for most polls or endorsements to indicate much of anything about a race so far away. but donald trump is clearly betting that the road to 2020 runs through the past. this is a made for tv candidate who literally plagiarized another president's campaign slogan from the '80s and passed it off as his own. who is now relaunching in 2020 quoting himself from 2016. and since there's a lot of quoting going on, trump'sder rivtive messaging to reagan '84
where the slogan came from is a little bit like reboots and repitches that lean heavily on the past. it was pastor mace who once said we take hits from the '80s but do it sounds so crazy. isn't that the question for voters? does this sound crazy? jason john from the root and victoria, professor at the university of texas. donald trump plagiarized reagan for make america great. i don't know if you can technically plagiarize yourself but he's quoting his greatest hits from the last campaign. will it work. >> at least initially because all he's going to be talking to is people who like his hold hits. at some point, they want to hear your new music. that's what is donald trump is going to run into next year. this is somebody whose approval rating hovered around 42%, 43%. he can't be re-elected. he's got to find a way to expand
his base. if he all he wants to does is throw people out of the country and pick fights on twitter, that's not going to help him against anybody he's running against next year. >> victoria, there is no greater expert on what animates it trump's base than ann coulter who may surprise some people tonight by saying there are problems. they're just hidden because of the polarized environment. folks won't admit. what she says, a lot of wingers, that's her term, are desperately hanging on to trump as flotsam in its tsunami. loads of trumpers are beside themselves but almost none say so publicly. i think the issue is how many voters who voted for obama or didn't vote and came out to vote for trump are done with him. >> to begin, that is some flowery language, ari. you know, when it comes to trump's base so, i see it more as feeding the beast. i don't know about having hidden pockets here or there. but it's really about giving the
space something that they can chew on continually. he might soften up on immigration as he gets into the general, something he did in 2016 but he's going to continue giving the tidbits because as jason said, he can't win with the base alone. he needs to figure out a way to also bring those moderate republican who are going to pinch their nose and hopefully for trump as far as his campaign eooh hes it. he's going to keep that core message but at the same time, you know let up on it as he gets into the general is my krystal balling hearing. >> jason, some of the worst data for him is not in these hypothetical head to head match-ups. we don't cover that much because we don't see a lot of evidence that they project much. but rather in some of the slipping in of all places a fox news poll about what do people who are affiliated with his coalition with his base, white sloertz didn't go to college what, do they think now about how trump's economic policies are working?
take a look at this very basic question. when you ask those particular voters they call them whites with no college degree, who doings trump's economic policies help, people with more money, 45%, people like me, you can barely see the red register at the bottom of your screen, 5%, jason. in other words, almost flow voters who would be in that coalition whites without a college degree actually say or believe right now today trump's positions help them economically. >> this is the thing, ari. i'm going to love saying this and vickie, we went to grad school together. but this is the truth. economics doesn't drive why people vote. the biggest lie in analysis is that people vote their pocketbook. they don't. they vote their hearts and then they rationalize it later with their pocketbooks. how many times will we see articles people suffering in ohio and indianapolis and losing jobs to mexico and china but still going to vote for trump
because at the end of the day, he makes them feel good. you don't buy that new car because it's fuel efficient. you like the commercial and tell people you bought it for fuel efficiency. even if the economy goes down, his base will stay with him. the folks he will lose are the folks in the margin who voted for the guy because i thought he would be different than hillary but he's been more of the swamp than she was. >> jason is saying it's status politics, not interest politics. you may be the most decorated academic on the panel. enlighten us. >> hardly. look, i'm agreeing with jason with the base. asirational politics. he's selling a brand. people want to be like trump. they want to you know, be rich and famous and they feel that aspiration. it's marketing 101. where i do see the pocketbook being a really big consideration are for those country club republicans where they may not like trump in terms of his social policy, his moral policy, they don't like the guy, he
cheats at golf. they don't like him but for their pocketbooks and their business books, they feel that he does work. so i think we need to parse out the electorate from the base, the country club republicans. >> the other point is how is the economy doing. how much will people put that stuff aside unless they're in a serious recession and suddenly thinking more about it. both of you stay with me. trump's rhetoric on immigration obviously is in relief to the way he lives his life. what.call his hypocrisy in his businesses. consider how many trump properties have hired and fired employees who worked there for years and were undocumented and many who say, of course, their boss is newing. > gabrielle says trump spoke with him during his years at the club and suspects he also knew there were undocumented workers on staff. >> i can like be sure about that. he got to know.
>> you think the president must have known. >> he must have known. >> that's from our nbc reporting. annabelle romero represents the man you just saw as well as other workers who say they were fired from trump businesses. you're in orlando today. what is your view of all of this and should it matter to votersful donald trump ran a private business that did the very thing he says he's against in public policy? >> well, yeah, of course it should matter. first of all, it's a federal crime to knowingly hire undocumented immigrants. and what we now know we didn't know a few months ago based on what my clines are saying is possibly unhundreds of undocumented immigrants have been working for the trump organization, not only in new york and new jersey but now we hear of undocumented workers at the winery in virginia. and this is something that the american people either some trump voters are choosing to ignore or do not want to focus on because i think the important part here is that there are 11
million people undocumented immigrants who are living in the united states, employers are taking advantage of them and unless we have comprehensive immigration reform, many more businesses are going to continue to hire undocumented immigrants. >> is your core point oh, this is like a bad thing and trump did it in business or this is kind of an aunvoidable thing in our economy so, of course, he did it. >> look, 11 million people are living here. 9 million people are part of the workforce. unless we have comprehensive immigration reform, employers will continue to lir them. we know it is virtually impossible to remove 11 million people from the united states. last night when donald trump tweeted that he was getting ready to deport people from the united states, the first thing we thought about was maybe he's doing this because he knows his workers people who worked at his house, were coming to orlando to shine a light on a problem that -- >> you're not saying that itself is some terrible thing. you're just saying it's
hypocrisy. >> absolutely. >> victoria, what do you think about this? it is rare to have someone who has had as many employees and done as much public business as donald trump. it gets lost on voters. he lies a lot about his business. his businesses are opaque and secretive. and then you have stories like this that clearly cut against the perception around the businesses. >> it speaks to the larger lack of getting at the real root cause of immigration to this country which is demand. folks want to hire undocumented persons, folks have the desire to do so. the need to do so for their businesses. so that's why folks come over. instead what trump has done is try to attack illegal immigration through building a wall. through saying that government funded housing programs can't accept undocumented or mixed status families. he's tried to do everything except going at the real root cause of undocumented immigration for the vast majority of undocumented
immigrants. and he's part of this problem. if we start with him, if we start fining him the fines we should be fining employers, then the numbers of undocumented people would go down, about i think it's much easier to distract and try to do these other operations of dealing with undocumented immigrants. >> yeah. it's fascinating and anna bell, given that you have people whose lives are so profoundly affected in ways in ways they wouldn't have imagined they were working for someone who was going to run for office to try to stop the thing they say he was literally doing. appreciate you joining the broadcast. annabelle and victoria and jason stays with me. coming up, donald trump won't admit he was wrong about as you may have heard earlier in the hour the innocence that was proven about the central park five. also, donald trump's justice department intervening on behalf all people convicted felon paul manafort. new details how democratses will question hope aide hope hicks under oath and a special guest
later as promised who is directly involved in this important fight john sfurt waged against mitch mcconnell and 9/11 victims' money. >> honestly, mitch mcconnell, you really want to go with the we'll get to it when we get to it argument for the heros of 9/11? listen, senator, i know that your species isn't known for moving quickly. >> we'll be joined by 9/11 first responder who had an emotional moment with stewart in congress that you see there. i'm ari melber. you're watching the beet" on msnbc. watching the beet" on msnbc. my skin... it was embarrassing. my joints... they hurt. the pain and swelling. the tenderness. the psoriasis. i had to find something that worked on all of this. i found cosentyx. now, watch me. real people with active psoriatic arthritis are getting real relief with cosentyx. it's a different kind of targeted biologic. cosentyx treats more than just the joint pain
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consider that is donald trump announces his re-election campaign today with the worst prosecution record of any first term president. convictions or charges against his longest serving adviser, his deputy campaign manager plus twos top aides already in prison right now, michael cohen and paul manafort. most politicians would avoid doing just about anything to bring these stories back up let alone appear to interfere to help these convicted felons. trump's justice department just interfered in paul manafort's prison assignment with bill barr's top doirt contacting new york authorities that may 'sheed him from likers prison. manafort seemed headed to rikers, then the justice department intervened. the story notes several odd things here.
wardens typically deal with this, not the number two at doj and that "most federal inmates facing state charges are held in likers. experts tell us this is nearly unprecedented. manafort's team argue this case is not like most other inmates so these comparisons it don't really matter they say. we've done several reports on the horrific conditions at rikers on "the beat," the allegations of staff abuse, staff negligence, there was a beating of an inmate to death. i pressed the top federal prosecutor of new york about the conditions and he told me it may it be time to close it is rather than try to reform it. today the trump doj suddenly take aginterest in protecting an inmate from likers as the trump administration hosts kim kardashian at the white house just last week and all of this can obscure something that's really important. when and how do they care abouts who in jail? what about inmates who are not
named paul manafort? because this concern about manafort's prison experience is for a convicted felon, thousands of people at rikers haven't been convicted of anything. they're simply awaiting trial. they are presumed innocent. they just don't have the money for bail. the federal stats show often those people, majority of inmates are just awaiting trial. where is the trump doj's concern for all of them? on this story, i bring in matt miller who worked at the doj under president obama and jason johnson back with us. jason, your view on what this kind of story reveals? >> the inherent corruption of this administration and the dishonesty honesty in our public discourse about prison. rikers is a problem. rikers has all sorts of abuses. paul manafort was not going to be in gin pop, writing lyrics on toilet paper about how his family got popped and locked up. he would be protected in a way
that the vast majority of the people in the prison never were. the fact in administration would intervene and prevent him from the crimes he's committed indicates they see themselves and everyone associated with them as above the law. >> take a listen, matt, to what trump was saying when he got the news about manafort's prosecution. can we. >> i feel badly for him. i think it's a very sad situation. and i saw that just a little while ago. and certainly on a human basis, it's very sad thing. i feel badly for him. matt, what do you think having worked around these issues? >> with respect to the president's comments, when he talks about law and order, he's always meant law and order that don't look like him or his friends. with respect to what the department did here, it's unusual for the deputy attorney general to do this. i don't remember a deputy
attorney general when i was there is ever intervening on a specific inmate's issue. i talked to other former alumni of the deputy attorney general's office. no one could remember a dag having done this. it's not so much a matter of whether he should be there. or rikers island, the question is should it have followed the normal course of action? should the bureau of prisons decided the issue the way they do do for every other inmate or should it have been escalated all the way to the number two official at the department. if the new deputy attorney general wants to the receive inmate petitions and be the decider every time an inmate wants to make a request where he or she ought to be housed fine, but just for the president, that tells you about his priorities. >> if he's so concerned about the idea that detention at rikers is rough, this is a federal government. you needed to have policies that deal with that at a systemic
level, not just for friends of trump. be they convicted felons or not. the other reason we want to get into this, we're not new to the rikers discussion. rikers is one of the most horrific prisons in the world. and it is a place that i want to repeat this for viewers, it is a place that is holding many people who are innocent presumed innocent legally. they're only there because they're poor. i want to play a little bit of preet bharara whether or not it's time to close this prison. take a look, jason. >> prosecutor must care about the prisoner in the same way that the rich must care about the poor and healthy care about the sick if that's the kind of world we want to live in. >> you're saying it may be time for new york's leaders to consider closing it. >> yes. >> that's coming from a prosecutor who fills prisons. that's bigger than a criminal justice reformer. jason, how do we square this, i'm not saying this to be negative, if kim kardashian was
invited to the reforms that dealt with the hole system, even critical of trump might say there's something coming out of it. how do you deal with it when it seems so clearly slanted. >> this is a key point for cent trysts and liberals saying look at all the things trump has done for criminal justice reform and give him credit for that. this is a president concerned more for paul manafort. this is a president who takes innocent people at the border and says thick be put in former naval bases in former bases that were used to intern people from japan. that he has no problem with taking innocent people and you the putting them in canes and metallic blankets that look like hot pockets. the idea this president picks and chooses when people have to suffer, picks and chooses whose crimes and who is innocent should be treated pore proper lid by thor from government is
indicative of the blind eye of this administration to a lot of human rights. >> matt, while i have you as our doj person before we go, hope hicks testifying your views of what's important that could come out of that. >> very little to be honest. the white house just sent a letter in the last few hours saying they're going to block her if she accedes and i assume she will from talking about anything from her time at the white house. they're even going to try to excerpt executive privilege over her time during the transition which is completely unprecede unprecedented. there won't be a public shaming which can be important because it's all done behind closed doors. they'll release a transcript. i suspect we'll see very little. anything damaging she had to say we've already seen in the mueller report. this was kabuki theater already and i think it's going to be very disappointed in the end. >> i'm going to add, matt, matt miller adding to the list of people including neat cattal, no offense, we're hearing more and more sober establishment
insiders basically call out what they're seeing in the congress as insufficient which i suppose means you're leaning toward something bigger than hearings, matt. >> look, i think they're doing their best. they have a very tough road. they're finding that they can't enforce their subpoenas without going to court. it takes a lot of time. they don't have a lot of options. the only option they have impeachment doesn't have support from the majority of that caucus right now. in the meantime, i think chairman nadler is in a very difficult place where he's caught between two sides. >> jason, i'll let you respond to that at some future episode of "the beat." i could see him feeling feelings. matt in our second segment, jason in our first and second segment, my thanks to both of you got to fit in a break. we've got an important story. jon stewart hammering mcconnell about delaying this vote for money for 9/11 first responders. i have an exclusive guest ahead on that. responders. i have an exclusive guest ahead on that. lexus ux and ux f sport, also available in hybrid all-wheel drive.
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. comedian and now maybe activist jon stewart is blasting the most powerful republican in congress for what he says is just playing politics with 9/11 victims and slow walking a vote on this fund. the feud began when an emotional jon stewart was testifying on the hill calling for action. >> a filled room of 9/11 first responders. and in front of me, a nearly empty congress. sick and dying, they brought themselves down here to speak. to no one. your indifference cost these men and women their most valuable commodity, time. it's the one thing they're running out of. why this bill isn't unanimous
consent and a stand alone issue is beyond my comprehension. it all gets stuck in some transportation bill or some appropriations bill and get sent over to the senate where a certain someone from the senate will use it as a political football, they did their jobs. with courage, grace, tenacity, humility. 18 years later, do yours. >> do yours. that certain someone from the senate that the jon stewart is referring to is someone you may have heard of, mitch mcconnell. stewart called him out by name and rebuked weather calls his lack of compassion. mcconnell said he's the grim reaper that he can bury any bill. he says he don't understand why stewart is "bent out of shape." >> we have never failed to
address this issue and we will address it again. i don't know why he's all bent out of shape but we will take care of the 9/11 victims compensation fund. members have a lot of things going on at the same time and it sounds to me like he's looking for some way to take offense. there's no way we won't address this is problem appropriately. we have in the past and we will again in the future. >> that's one explanation. depending where you come in and what altitude it might sound reasonable. they're busy, they'll get to it. june stuart didn't take this sitting down. he finished his testimony but he has many offers to speak. i can tell you he happens to turn a lot of them down. on this issue, he's using his platform and went on television last night on the "late show" and told mcconnell what he thought about his remarks. >> i'm not bent out of shape. i'm fine. i'm bent out of shape for them. these are the first heroes and veterans and victims of the great trillions of dollars war
on terror. and they're currently still suffering and dying and in terrible deed. you can think that would be enough to get congress's attention but apparently it's not. >> i didn't know that they were busy. i'm so -- oh, boy. now i don't know know what to say. i didn't mean to interrupt them with their jobs! honestly, mitch mcconnell, you really want to go with the we'll get to it when we get to it argument for the heros of 9/11? listen, senator, i know that your species isn't known for moving quickly but damn, senator, you're not good at this argument thing. basically, we're saying, you love the 9/11 community when they be your political purposes. but when they're in urgent need, you slow walk, you dither. you use it as a political pawn to get other things you want. and you don't get the job done
completely. and your answer to that charge is, yeah, duh. >> jon stewart is quite the communicator. and he has been publicly advocating for 9/11 first responders since the beginning standing with them and advocating for them. over the years, he's forged a relationship with a responder named john feel, a demolition specialist at ground zero, part of his left foot amputated after an 8,000 pound steel beam fell on him at the site. he's had nearly 40 surgeries and worked with stewart for all these years and by his side on capitol hill during this hearing last week and tonight, right now, he's here on "the beat" live for an exclusive interview when we're back in just 30 seconds. usive interview when we're back in just 30 seconds. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa"
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responsible for this delay in congress? >> there's known fact it's republican leadership. that's not me singling out republican leadership. i've been doing this longer than anybody, 2010, republican leadership, 2015, republican leader smp. i'm an independent republican conservative. when you put tribalism in front of humanity, we have a problem with that. we have gone to over 1700 meetings in 15 years and met, everybody. the fact is is that when they say they're compassionate towards us, they're cop passionate towards giving us five years, whatever is politically expedient for them, they're compassionate. but we want a 71 year bill to coincide with the health care bill we passed in 2015. we want to be left alone. >> you don't want a funding mechanism that brings you and as we see there sfurt and everyone
back every so often to have to deal with congress if the point is you all served on 9/11. this is undisputed and the congress says they want to fund and support these 9/11 service members, first responders and victims. why does it keep coming back and forth. senator schumer who represents new york as well as mcconnell's counterpart in the democratic party, he name checked you. let's take a look at that. >> leader mcconnell and the republicans have delayed this process as long as they can. they've limited it. we ask forrer. ence awhile ago. let me tell you, jon stewart and particularly the leaders feel and others have tried to keep this as bipartisan as possible but they can't because it's leader mcconnell and the republican senate blocking full the full needs of the people who rushed to the towers. >> john? >> yeah, you know, i watched that. sometimes i'm dismayed and i
have a good relationship with senator schumer pelosi, and mcconnell should get in a room. they have a chance to make our worse day and make it our finest hour to come together and make this a bipartisan effort but yet they continue to put politics in the way. in 2015, mitch mcconnell had a meeting with three of my guys, all sick from 9/11. we were escorted to his office by four guards like we were terrorists with ar-15s. that's not compassionate. let's get this over with. don't go on summer recess. if we go on summer recess about, 5 to 800 people will have their funds cut. these people are losing everything. i just had a cop supposed to get $500,000 for an award. he got $14,000 and he's already in debt. this is real.
the pain and struggling is real. you cannot play politics. we don't have to put up with it. we put up with it in 2010 and 2015. this time is different. we're in the mood for a fight if we have nothing to lose anymore, let's do it. but we come in peace until we're not able to have peace anymore. >> you lay it out and when it comes to the way mitch mcconnell and other politicians do politics in congress, stewart who is very knowledgeable, his show was as good as any at slicing through this stuff. he points out part of the problem is treating it like a political football, because they say this is a 9/11 thing so we can put it in other bills and get other stuff passed. mcconnell seems to be saying this is business as usual. this is how we do things. it will get done eventually our way. what stewart and you seem to be saying that's the whole problem is mitch mcconnell's business as usual. >> congress is a dysfudgesal body.
i'm not saying anything that most people don't agree with. these are people who promised to fix yesterday's problems maybe today, maybe tomorrow. we want a straight up or down bill, put it on the floor so we know who is a true patriot and who is not. >> enough with mixing it with everything else as you say up or down and that's it. that's being held back. i want to play a little bit of something we remember from mr. stewart right after 9/11. because i had people well outside of news and politics reach out to me after watching his testimony here last week. and from what i understand from you, he's walking the walk and working with you guys on this. look at him after 9/11 when we thought about what do we do as a nation coming out of this. take a look. >> any fool can blow something up. any fool can destroy. but to see these guys, these firefighters, these policemen and people from all over the country literally with buckets
rebuilding that, that is -- that's extraordinary. >> you've done things most of us don't know about. don't experience or have the courage for. walk us through what's important, given what you've been through that we take from this as a people, as a nation and also the relationship you have with him because we'll put it on the screen. i mentioned the embrace. you've worked with him a long time, the embrace last week. >> tell us your thoughts. >> i'm going to try not to cry. jon's biggest fear all week was failing everybody that was sitting behind him. the 9/11 heros, the survivors in lower manhattan, the comes and firefighters. when we did embrace, i said jon, you no longer have to fear ever failing us. you didn't fail us in 2010, 2015. and certainly not today.
you know, we're not surrogates for jon stewart. jon stewart is a surrogate for us. john has served the 9/11 community and i like to think his passionate plea to help those who is suffer restores humanity, not only across our country but in d.c. where it needs it the most. >> so that embrace was you telling him he's okay? >> yeah, again, it was like watching -- it was watching a perfection -- it was graceful to watch him do what he does and nobody does it better. and i'm blessed to be able to work with him in the 9/11 community and now in the veteran community and i've never been so humbled and blessed to have that in my toolbox. i have jon stewart such a great natural resource, and the most humble "a" list celebrity i've ever met where there's no yes
men, there's no entourage, and he just cares. >> yeah. >> every time he comes back to d.c., he knows everybody's name. everybody who has a nickname, jon wanted a nickname. jon wanted to get embedded with the teams pep wanted to learn the issue. and just he just wows me. i'm awed by his compassion. >> you're talking about service and talking about leadership and it's a reminder to all of us what we could learn from the people who have been there. mr. john feel, i appreciate you coming. >> thank you for having me. >> we will be right back. thank >> we will be right back you should be mad at tech that's unnecessarily complicated.
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now to an important fight between congress and the trump white house over who has the power to send america to war. a group of democrats with some republicans are on the verge of passing a new bill to limit trump's war powers. backers say it's a chance to finally curtail military powers that grew under bush and kept growing under obama and trump. the house may vote as soon as tomorrow on this measure curtailing powers congress originally gave president bush for a single goal, getting al qaeda and bin laden. >> tracked down bin laden and destroy his organization. >> he will be working every day to top the evil of september 11th. >> to say it in a way that perhaps osama bin laden might understand, we are coming after you. and the fury of hell is coming with us. >> there was unity on that but
bush invoked the same bill for actions in over 11 different countries, his successors added nine more. the overreach began with bush but the pentagon and presidents in both parties tend to hold on to major powers. not just major powers, not just give them up. president obama even said he was receptive to limiting this mandate, but that, of course, didn't happen. >> we may be drawn into more wars we don't need to fight. i look forward to engaging congress and the american people in efforts to refine and ultimately repeal the mandate. >> now many democrats say that repeal is overdue, especially with trump in office, and his aides now, look at this, invoking this mandate to justify potential attack on iran without congress. when this law was first passed, congresswoman barbara lee was the only lawmaker to vote against it. tomorrow the house is scheduled to vote on her amendment to limit the war power and trump's power. >> the 2001 aumf has in fact
become a blank check for war. we have abdicated our responsibility. we have been missing in action. we have a job to do for the american people. . >> and i'm joined now by congresswoman barbara lee, democrat from california, and former republican congressman tom coleman from missouri. good evening to both of you. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> congresswoman, you're clearly concerned about this, and you appear to be making progress. what would your amendment do specifically to limit president trump's war powers? and what happens next? >> thank you very much. first of all, my amendment would repeal the 2001 authorization to use military force, which i voted against in 2001. this authorization has been used and misused not only by republican president but by -- unfortunately by a democratic president, now a republican president, and it could be used forever unless we repeal this. any president could use this as the basis to use force and toe go to war.
our troops need to know that members of congress have their back. we do not need to send them in harm's way without authorizations. and yes we have just been missing in action. we haven't done our job. and it's time for us to debate and come up with new authorizations if in fact we're going to send our troops into harm's way. >> congressman, as a republican, how do you see this? >> you know, this is an 18-year resolution. that's 25% of the congress was there at the time to vote on it. 75% of this congress hasn't seen it before. 40 different times it's been utilized since 2001 we've had things like drones developed. we've had cyber warfare that's happened. none of these things were thought of when the resolution was initially passed. so it's going to have to be updated, and you're going to have to have one reauthorized. >> so congresswoman, this seems to us like a big deal. that's why we wanted to
interview you about it. i don't think it's gotten a ton of attention. certainly not the kind of attention that the original debate in '01 and '03. walk us what you do next. you have a vote coming up on the amendment and then what? >> the authorization to repeal the aumf, the authorization to use military force is in the defense appropriations bill. we were able to put that in the bill as it moved to the floor. and i just have to tell you, this is an important first step because we have go back to the drawing board. and if in fact we're going to send our young men and women into harm's way, and if we're going to use taxpayer dollars to fight wars, we must definitely have an authorization for those wars. let me just finally say -- >> i want to get you -- >> eight months after this is signed to come up with a new one. >> well, i want to get you on the details of the plan. when you do that, if you get that vote in the house, the goal to put this before the president so he vetoes it to send a message, or do you think there
is a chance you would join up with the president here? do you have any hope for unity on this issue? >> well, i hope that the president would sign this. i've been working on this with some republicans for many, many years. this is the right thing to do. he should sign the bill that would repeal the 2001 60-word authorization that has authorized unauthorized wars. >> thank you both on an important discussion. >> thank you. >> and that's not all congress is up to. new reporting on what democrats want to grill hope hicks on behind closed doors tomorrow, when we come back. when we come back. some reach a level of top safety pick. but only a select few of the very safest vehicles are awarded a top safety pick plus. the highest level of safety possible. how many 2019 top safety pick plus-winning vehicles does your brand have? one. two. how about eight? subaru has more 2019 top safety pick plus awards
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she's a little shy, but that's okay, because she is really, really talented. hope, say a couple of words. >> hi. merry christmas, everyone. and thank you, donald trump! >> you can't argue with holiday greetings. that was one of the rare times that donald trump's long-time aide hope hicks spoke in public. tomorrow she'll speak in a whole different way, and democrats have a lot of questions. she is the first trump staffer when you actually think about it to actually testify to the house judiciary committee in this obstruction probe. democrats want to ask about five specific incidents in the mueller report, plus those payments that trump made to stormy daniels that ultimately were a confessed crime by michael cohen. democrats say they will require
a formal indication of executive privilege if the white house has any hope of preventing hicks from speaking, shall we say, speaking her truth. and that does it for me. we'll have coverage of that and a lot more tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. but right now it's "hardball" with chris matthews. the day he doubles down. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews up in new york back from our special town hall event in dayton, ohio, the deciders. we learned a lot about how democrats and republicans view president trump. it was a fascinating evening last night. we'll have more on that coming up later in the hour. first tonight, president donald trump is set to take the stage in the next hour in orlando. there's that crowd, where he'll formally launch his bid for reelection in 2020. hyping the event this morning, trump compared himself to a rock star,