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now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> good evening, rachel. one week away from the debates. just week away. >> why are you so mean? >> you don't have any homework. you can wing it. >> you know what, even if i canceled everything else in my life.ry food, sleep, social interactiona my tv show, everything i need to do and all i was doing was ee prepping for the debate for the next week, i would still not be ready. >> it's called pressure, rachel. >> thanks, my friend. >> there is nothing much at stake.s just the future of the country. >> do you have a hot iron you want me to hold for you with my head? thanks, lawrence. >> what do we call them?
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some of us have been wondering for a long time. what do we call the places where the trump administration looks up babies and men and women, children, people of all ages. people who can do us no harm. what should we call those places? i will answer that question at the end of this hour with a look at america's long history of concentration camps, beginning with what american history books call the indian wars. but first tonight, federal authorities are investigating donald trump's favorite bank, the bank that would do business with him when no one else would. federal authorities are investigating whether deutsche bank complied with laws ut prohibiting money laundering ani other crimes according to several people who spoke to the "new york times." it includes a review of deutsche bank's handling of so-called
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suspicious activity report that is the employees prepared about possibly problematic transactions including some links to president trump's son in law and senior adviser, jared kushner. according to people close to the bank and others familiar with the matter. the "new york times" report that is the fbi recently contacted the lawyer for deutsche bank, whistle blower, tammy mcfadden. a former specialist at the bank told the times she flagged transactions involving mr. kushner's family company and that bank managers decided not to file the suspicious activity report she prepared.th the fbi identification of deutsche bank is following a similar track to two committeesg house oversight and financial services committees. both of those are investigating deutsche bank's relationship to the president and his family ip including records connected to the bank's handling of potentially suspicious
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transactions. politico reports in total, trump faces at least 15 criminal or civil inquiries by nine federal, state, and local agencies into his business, his charity, his campaign, inaugural committee and personal finances. in a closed door interview with house judiciary committee today, a white house lawyer and justicm department lawyer advised former white house staffer, hope hicks, not to answer questions about anything involving her work in the white house. hope hicks who no longer works in the white house followed theo advice of the white house and justice department lawyers and n refused to answer such questions. >> so they are preventing her from talking about anything? >> anything related to her tenure at the white house. absolutely. even something as simple as where is your office located.et objection. it's ridiculous. there is no such thing as absolute immunity.e >> this is an ongoing effort by the president of the united states and the white house to pr prevent congress from getting te
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the truth and the answers we deserve.ut >> jerry nadler said that the committee did obtain useful information that did not involve her work in the white house. >> hope hicks answered some questions. she gave us a lot of good information. the white house asserted so-called absolute immunity which is ridiculous which we will destroy in court.ic >> hope hicks did answer some questions about her time on the campaign including topics such as russia, interference and wikileaks references in meetings. democratic congressman david cicilline said she was asked about the president's alleged relationship with karen mcdougal a playboy model, although he did not say how she answered. a transcript could be released in 48 hours. leading off our discussion is eric swalwell of california and
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judiciary committee member and a house intelligence committee member and also a democratic candidate for president. john heilman is analyst for nba news and msnbc and executive an producer of show time. congressman swalwell, this interview today with hope hicks, what was the committee --ck jerry nadler is saying that you got a lot of useful information at the committee.fu how much of what the committee t wanted to hear did the committee get to hear?id >> good evening, lawrence. i was a part of that interview team today. what we saw principally was just how far the president is willing to go to protect the country id from knowing what he did with the russians and what he did to obstruct the investigation into that and show us what he is willing to do to obstruct congress and a witness in ms. hick who is i interviewed who hasn't changed. she was quite forth coming in
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some ways. she has a deep knowledge and a front row seat to what the president and candidate trump did, but also she knows where the red lines are. that's where she stops and refuses to answer. i think it's important for us to see where the red lines are for the trump team and work around them and the subpoenas and document requests we send out. we are going to get to the truth whether they want to tell us now or later. >> let's listen to what madeline dean said about it. >> i asked her about communications with russians or russian officials. she tried to say that there were no communications whatsoever. when i asked more specifically, she admitted there were probably an e-mail or more. she didn't think they were relevant. i tried to impress upon the witness it was not up to her top decide what was relevant. we wanted the facts and the truth before the american people.h i had stonewalling there. >> congressman swalwell, did she say anything about that part and the questioning about contacts and activities during the campaign and anything that was different from what she appeared
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to say in the mueller report? >> i will characterize it this way. she knew what she was not supposed to say. thats where her memory would be foggy or she would refuse to answer. she wouldn't go into the mueller report citing it as a time she was at the white house. what this shows me is how guilty this gang is. innocent people don't come in and act this way. innocent presidents don't tell aides or former aides to go in and put up walls around what you can say. innocent people say you go and tell them everything we did and we will be cleared. that's not what we have seen and what we will see. we don't have an innocent president. >> john hileman, hope hicks was taking advice from the white s house lawyer and advice from a justice department lawyer. the decision about whether to answer questions or not was in fact completely up to her. so the case going forward to compel her testimony is against
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her. >> right. i think, look, she is trying to walk a line and trying to keep herself from getting into trouble for refusing to testify and she has come forward while not saying anything that would get her in trouble with her former boss and the coat around him. this was obstruction of justice in plain sight and that's clearly the case. we are witnessing a rolling case of obstruction of justice when it comes to how the trump administration deals with these people. why on earth was it acceptable for democrats to allow this to take place behind closed doors? it would have been devastating and it's not going to be devastating to have not seen it. just reading it in the transcript. seeing it on television would have changed the dynamic and i
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just have to question whether or not democrats are serious taking this matter seriously to have reached this accommodation. i think in the end, she would have testified publicly under the right pressure. >> we happened to have a member of the judiciary. why was it agreed to have her keep the cameras out? >> wish it was in public too and will let the chairman answer that. i think all of these witnesses should have to testify in public. it may take longer to get there because they may not be willing to come in at all, but a court will say there is no way around this. the public neats to really get read in and see how lawless of a candidate and a president we have. >> congressman, what is the plan that the judiciary committee is working under and if they have a plan whether legislaive or otherwise have a schedule of completing work and a purpose td the work. i don't understand what the schedule of the judiciary is or what the purpose of the is judiciary committee's inquiries are at this point. >> it's looking at obviously
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volume i of the mueller report. the russian connections and the attempts to obstruct by the president. the challenge is that there is the wish list of who is relevant and the list of people who are actually willing to engage with you. hope hicks is in the middle, she is willing to come in and not willing to do it publicly. then there is a list of people who won't come in at all. you don't really get a -- i would say a timeline here that matches up with the series of events. you are getting people coming in based on their willingness and where we are with the courts. that's all the more reason i call for impeachment. i've had enough. this is obstruction of congress in realtime. a mass obstruction spree that this president is on. we can't wait for the courts now. he's risking the republic the way he is acting. >> john, that final part of the answer is the part i understand. the objective would be impeachment and beginning the process. the president's objective is
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clearly what his objective has been all along. that's delay. he played a game with mueller's office about will he or won't hw testify. he was never going to testify, but he managed to build in a year of delay in playing the game about will he testify. now the president is having witnesses do exactly the same thing. play the delay game. this committee is going at most one witness per week on this.in so the legal enforcement once the witness denied the committee what the committee wants, the legal enforcement on this is a bunch of backed up vehicles on a highway to nowhere. >> yes, and to your point was a pointed and correct question. what is the point. it's not clear what the point is. congressman swalwell has a point. he thinks we should go for impeachment proceedings. my question about why she was allowed to testify in private. is bob mueller, we had a lot of conversation about the mueller situation because the chairman
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of the house, shareman schiff said time is running out. we had members of the committees say we have to get him up now and we will have to subpoena him. are they going to let mueller testify in private? what good would that do. it would be insane to allow tha. to happen. on the basis of this and the contradictory strategy that he democratic leadership is pursuing, i don't know the end game. of course it makes sense that the tactics are confusing if you can't say what the end game is and no one in leadership right now is clearly saying so. >> want to get to the deutsche bank news of the night, but let me give you another swing at what john is talking about and what i referenced and anyone who has gone to law school or high school knows the phrase justice delayed is justice denied. the president certainly knows that.
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as i look at the possible calendar of the committee's work, i have a rough feel for this. not in impeachment mode, but you are unlikely to get your subpoenas enforced this year at the pace this is going. if they are going to be enforce and you are will be moving what would be the impeachment clock possibly according to that schedule not even started until we are in an actual election year. at which time it begins to look a bit absurdist in terms of timing. that's what it going through, i believe, president trump's mind. he will be able to back it up d. through delay to the point where even someone like you who wants the impeachment process will admit a year from now in the middle of the summer, it's too late to start it. >> i'm going to throw the calculation out.
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if it happens to be in an election year because this b president through his delaying and tampering caused that, sorry, mr. trump. that's what you have brought. i want to defend and i think if you are looking at the strategy right now, we have our noses up against the canvas board and we are looking in the day to day and different strokes from subpoena to witness requests to oversight. i think maybe a year from now when we step back and we see the court fights and the witness who is have come in, you will see a picture of holding this president accountable. i don't want to throw out the strategy right now. i think it's frustrating right now because he is so lawless and challenges us, but we have to make sure we uphold the rule of law with a lawless ruler. sometimes it doesn't move as fast as anyone of us want. >> the deutsche bank report, the fbi is investigating donald trump's favorite and only bank.
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donald trump, it's because of reports that donald trump's transactions and jared kushner's transactions were flagged by auditors within the bank whose job it was to flag possible suspicious transactions. >> and nothing was done about it because apparently anyone who followed the career of donald trump and this bank, corrupt of leadership in the bank apparently quashed those movements of what the examinations should have have taken place. the question has always been, why is it when noone else willing to give donald trump money, why were they willing to give him money and the potentiat money laundering cases and en connections to foreign powers and so on.ow it's obvious the more we see on this, people's suspiciouses about deutsche bank and that there is something wrong here. not just in terms of the er specific transactions, but the history of the relationship between the trump family and this bank that there is a rat
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here that is starting to smell pretty bad and it's going smell worse and worse the more we sniff it. >> who is going get there first? we just outlined the intelligence committee that is working at deutsche bank and the judiciary committee and now we know the fbi is investigating. >> we believe the house intelligence committee is one of the first sets of eyes looking at the intelligence with russia. that was a red line for the mueller team. >> can i pause you. are you saying this is a line they didn't cross and they left it for you? >> i read the mueller report. i did not see any investigation into the president's finances with russia. we have a responsibility to look at that. yes. second, i would say if jared kushner was doing business while he was working at the white house with the russians, he should be thrown out of the si white house, and third, i do no trust this attorney general to d be anywhere near an investigation into the
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president's family doing business with the russians. if that proves to be the case, s we will need another special counsel. there is no way that we can trust the objectivity of this attorney general to investigate the president if business transactions are ongoing right s now with the russians. >> "new york times" breaks the e story, the fbi working beneath the attorney general william barr at the justice department is investigating the president's bank possibly involving transactions of the president. congressman swalwell's point. can william barr be the real supervisor of that investigation? >> it depends. nothing that he has done makes him seem reliable and anyone skeptical or cynical about if he becomes activist, it's right to be as skeptical as you can could possibly be. in a normal world, the attorney general would say of course you can do this.
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some parts of the fbi are operating as if it's a normal world. they are pursuing as if they allow them to do what they will do. do i think that's reasonable? i do not. i congressman swalwell and others need to keep a very, very close eye on this thing to make sure the integrity is maintained. >> eric swalwell, watch is for joining us and helping us work through our confusion about where we are in this process and where we are going. appreciate you joining us. >> my pressure. thanks. >> when we come back, a new poll shows what democratic primary voters are thinking about the importance of impeachment and they think it's pretty important. in a damning new report, an investigation is now absolutely necessary into the crown prince of saudi arabia's regarding the murder of "washington post" journalist, jamal khashoggi. "new york times" nicholas kristoff will join us.
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impeachment inquiry officially because president trump certainly has committed all kinds of offenses that meet the standard of impeachment. high crimes and misdemeanors. i felt really from day one, from the time that donald trump raised his hand and took the oath of office that he had already violated the emoluments clause. >> 68 house members favor opening an impeachment inquiry against president trump. tonight a new morning consult poll reveals that 67% of democrats now favor beginning impeachment proceedings against president trump, up from 59% who supported it in april. we have new polling tonight one week before the first presidential debate. new polling. at this hour, one week from tonight, we will be in the middle of the first democratic debate of the 2020 presidential campaign right here on msnbc.
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10 democratic candidates will be debating wednesday night and another 10 thursday night. elizabeth warren is edging into second place behind joe biden. a new monmouth poll shows joe biden holding on to first place with 32% and elizabeth warren is second place, a jump of points since may. bernie sanders has 14. cam ha harris and then pete buttigieg. former white house communications direct for president obama and hillary clinton's presidential campaign. john heileman is back with us. let's begin with what is now 68. this makes it 68. >> we are in june now. i can imagine a situation where i did note that the speaker today when she got asked about hope hicks's testimony, the words obstruction of justice came out of her mouth. it wouldn't surprise me if when we come back in the fall, she may have a view that it was time to start with such proceedings. >> john, jan is a nancy pelosi
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democrat in the house of representatives. she is a veteran. what i find fascinating is we had katie porter on the other night and she comes from a swing district who nancy pelosi presumably has been trying to protect in this whole impeachment urgency and trying to protect them from taking a position. she took a position and said she is for impeachment and told us about the meeting she had with nancy pelosi before making her public announcement and told us there was no tension or no difficult. she said here's where i am and here's what i'm going do. this is moving slowly but surely in that direction.
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>> jan as you pointed out in the tenth term represents the north side of chicago and very liberal. a pelosi democrat in every sense. it looks like nancy pelosi's district. this is where she was going to get. the katy porters of the world matter a lot more to speaker pelosi. jan is going to be reelected. the other freshman democrats in trump districts are the ones that nancy pelosi needs to protect to protect the majority. we have a lack of clarity including the speaker on the end game. we understand the bind she is in and what her responsibilities are and how important it is to hold on to the house. she is watching the katy porters. the question is not just are they going to move, but the questions here to the earlier conversation, how fast do they move? is slowly enough to get to timing that leads to impeachment inquiry or is slowly but surely
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so slow that it plays out in trump's end game that we were describe something. >> in my day, working in congress that seems like a lifetime ago because i guess it was. >> it was when i was there. i remember. >> during the clinton presidency both in the house and the senate, a leadership player, someone in the house who was close to the leadership or someone in the senate who was close and consistent with the leadership never made a move like this without the leadership's secret blessing. i would have said to you back then, obviously jan got the speaker's okay to do this because the speaker is perfectly happy to have more going in that direction and might be encouraging it and has her own secret time being this. but i don't know what's going on behind the closed door now. >> i think nancy pelosi is sort that was old style leader and does have that kind of i wouldn't say control, but exerts
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that leadership over her caucus. i would be very surprised if jan had not let her know that this is happening. i think you are right. pelosi is probably okay with this building ahead the steam over the summer. you don't want to start this in the summer and let it hang out over august and come back in the fall. as you recall, impeachment proceedings under president clinton started in october and he was impeached in december. it can happen fast. >> can you imagine a nancy pelosi where they are both sitting there and jan said to nancy, this is what i want to do. if nancy wanted to say to her, give me another month. i need another month. she would have said it. she just would have. >> what's the pressure of jan? she has a very safe seat. she doesn't have to do this. >> they have done so much business for so long. >> i agree. the question is a fine line they were drawing. is she encouraging her or accepting?
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okay, that's fine. i'm okay with this or hey, jan, let's go. >> it's your turn. >> that's the question. is she pushing this along the tracks or is she willing to let various members have their own politics and see how it plays out? that's what i don't know. >> what is this new polling on impeachment doing this to dynamic in the house? >> i think like all these things are pushing in that direction. john was commenting to me about the poll that has warren in second place, which is a very big deal. >> second place by one point. margin of error. >> the trajectory is all we care about. >> moving up at a steady pace and someone who who had endorsed impeachment. the first presidential candidate who endorsed impeachment. i think when i hear from friends who are impressed by her, they bring up policy first, but the
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clarity on impeachment could be a part of it. senator sanders is not handling this well. he had a tweet this evening, politico wrote a story talking about how centrists will be more comfortable with elizabeth warren. he tweeted cat's out of the bag. the big bank people, the corporate wing of the democratic party is trying to stop our agenda, the same one that warren has. it's interesting because it's the first time bernie sanders is being nervous. during 16, he was steady and fearless. i don't think he expected to win in 16. i think he does expect to be the nominee this time and to see someone creep up on him on his issues seems to have unnerved him. >> it's a polite campaign so far with the democrats. there has been very little poll movement. poll movement is what creates tension in campaigns. >> poll movement and things like opportunity.
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today you saw people going after joe biden in a more direct way over the comments made about these segregation of senators and you saw cory booker and others going at him in a way we haven't seen before. that tied the poll movement. this national poll means more than the state polls, but all of them tell us a similar story. biden losing a little bit of altitude, but he is headed down in almost every poll you see. sanders headed down more dramatically. the upward momentum really -- mayor pete and kamala harris kind of static. the one person moving up in south carolina and other places nationally is elizabeth warren. not one thing explains it. the wheels look like they are coming off the wagon with bernie is momentum for her. certainly the elite class and educated democrats, but at a
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moment when there is confusion and lack of clarity about what to do about impeachment to be the clearest strongest voice on that topic, clarity and strength matter. she was out early and she has been clear and strong on an issue that matters to a lot of democrats. >> let me get the last word. as the only veteran of a presidential campaign, when you are looking at the polling numbers and you are down there below or and trying to find numbers for yourself, do you look at joe biden's number and try to take voters away from him or look at the undecideds or look at bernie sanders or elizabeth warren or take voters away from them? >> everybody has to look at the people at the top. the problem for biden is i think his strength is that people think he is going to be the nominee and think he is a steady leader and as soon as he starts to look uncertain and shaky, he's a less sure bet and he
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could fall quickly. i think if there is going to be movement and you are at 1% and you move, it's because biden collapses. >> thank you for joining us. when we come back, a damning new report from the united nations about the need to investigate the saudi crown prince regarding the murder of "washington post" journalist, jamal khashoggi. nicholas kristoff will join us on that. and what do we call them? what do we call the places where president trump looks up children. men, women, and children of all ages. we will take on that question at the end of this hour. of savings and service. whoa. travis in it made it. it's amazing. oh is that travis's app? it's pretty cool, isn't it?
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>> today the united nations released a report on the assassination of "washington post" journalist, jamal khashoggi. i must warn you, this report is very difficult to read. i will be reading you passages of this that you might not want to hear. the report lays out in horrifying detail the events leading up to and following jamal khashoggi's murder and suggests that the killing was authorized by officials at the highest levels of the saudi royal court. in one harrowing passage, the report describes an exchange that took place between a forensic doctor who worked for the saudi interior ministry minutes before jamal khashoggi entered the saudi consulate in turkey. this is where i must warn you and you might want to mute the volume on this.
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this will not be easy to read, but i want to give you a feeling of how much detail and surveillance material has been used in putting this investigation together at the united nations. what i'm about to read is the most horrifying thing i have ever had to read from this chair. with that warning, i will proceed with this. inside the consulate, the intelligence officer and the doctor had a conversation just minutes before mr. jamal khashoggi entered the intelligence officer said if it's possible they can put the trunk in a bag. he expressed hope that it would be easy. joints will be separated. it's not a problem. the body is heavy. the first time i cut on the ground, if we take plastic bags and cut it into pieces, it will be finished. we will wrap each of them. leather bags. the findings warrant investigation of high level officials, individual liability,
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including the crown princes. today president trump's nominee to be ambassador to the united nations, kelly kraft faced questions from lawmakers at her senate confirmation hearing. kraft is the wife of a major trump donor who currently sits as the ambassador to canada where she has been criticized for being mysteriously absent from her job in canada over 300 days since taking office in october 2017. most of the questions from the democrats at her confirmation revolve around unexplained absences and climate dinilism. senator kaine did ask her about jamal khashoggi. >> i want to ask really specifically about jamal khashoggi. this is now going to be in your wheel house. there is a request that the un put in the security council act. let me state it again. do you believe there should be accountability for the
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assassination of jamal khashoggi. >> i believe where this investigation will take us, we will follow. yes. any who is responsible. >> after this break, "new york times" pulitzer prize winning columnist nicholas kristoff will join us on the report of the assassination of jamal khashoggi. oh! oh! oh! ♪ ozempic®! ♪ (announcer) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®.
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op-ed for the "new york times," if jamal and his principals have any moral worth, this is the time to speak up for the democracy in the arab world. isn't it crucial to speak up against his violent death. if people of virtue don't stand up for a man who fought to advance values in his country, then who else is going to do it? joining our discussion, pulitzer prize winning journalist for the new york times and friend of jamal khashoggi. your reaction to the un report? >> this is a magnificent report. i read it with just such exhilaration. it has been so frustrating for people who knew jamal to see him murdered,membered and claims that he had walked out of the consulate with other people supposedly being put on trial with the government not even announcing what happened to his
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body and to have the u.s. participate in that cover up and say it wasn't clear where mbs was involved. this has been so painful and to see this 100-page un report laying out meticulously how the saudi arabian government organized an assassination squad on torn territory saying other counts should declare jurisdiction and impose sanctions. most important, this un report called on other countries to impose financial sanctions, personal sanctions on the crown prince. targeting his assets abroad. the crown prince has a $300 million home, shadow in france. said to be the most expensive home in the world. i don't think it is going to be seized, but let them worry. that's what they are calling for.
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they just lay it out. it's going to be a lot harder for president trump to ignore this report. i hope that within the saudi government it will also make it just a little bit harder if when salman dies, we are stuck with him for the next 50 years as king. i hope this will be one more impediment inherenting from his father as well. >> the graphic detail is there specifically for the donald trumps of the world to say this is the evidence. the surveillance evidence they have is quite extraordinary. >> it's breathtaking. this lays out in forensic detail how they planned it. this wasn't an accident he got in a fight. this was planned to murder him and dismember him from before he entered. there was an enormous cover up afterwards.
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if president trump simply refuses to look and i think he did that in the case of american intelligence that told him mbs was behind it, there is only so much you can do. i think this does begin to chip away at the impunity that the crown prince enjoyed. as his fiance said it's too late to save jamal's life, but other people are facing the death penalty in saudi arabia. maybe this will place a little bit more pressure on other world leaders to speak up for other people who may face executions. maybe it will make the crown prince a little less likely to murder other journalists abroad or at home within saudi arabia. >> thank you very much for joining us tonight. your friend jamal in this turning point in this story. >> i hope it's accountability. >> when we come back, what do we call the places where president
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what do you call them? that was the question that i asked exactly one year ago tonight in brownsville, texas in front of a building where people were being held in cages. >> what do you think we should call these places?
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because i've been in jails. i've been in prisons. and people want to use a phrase like detention center. there's a kind of -- it seems as though the language is being cleansed. when you have cages, when you have locks and the conditions that i'm seeing in here, these are what would be considered jails in any other setting. what would you call them? >> i am jail ministry for the diocese of brownsville and i've been assigned to minister to these children. so. >> what do you think the right term is for these places? >> i think they're jails. if you're locked in a box and you can't get out, you're in jail. i think that anybody in that situation would feel that way. >> but now when we're seeing these tent facilities, now we're talking about something that is actually different from jail because it is a lower level -- it is less commodious than a jail, for example. there's no possibility of, say, air-conditioning or different things that some jails have. and so these things start to
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look like camps, the kind of camps that live in infamy in our history. >> they're internment camps. we saw the images of those tent cities. those are internment camps. >> internment camps. so what should we call them? congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez calls them concentration camps and she's not the only one who calls them that. we're going to take a break here now, final break of the hour. and when we come back, we will consider america's history with concentration camp . exactly, nothing. they're completely different people, that's why they need customized car insurance from liberty mutual. they'll only pay for what they need! [ gargling ] [ coins hitting the desk ]
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last night on chris hayes's show andrea pittser, the author of "one long night: a global history of concentration camps" said this. >> i would say that for 40 years before auschwitz we had concentration camps, things that were called concentration camps. what we're doing now sits very cleanly inside that tradition. at the same time the death camps which were on top of the existing concentration camp system including ash witts and a series of other camps in which you had gas chambers, mass killings, that is a singular moment in history. and for the people that want to respect that i think that's fine and that's important. if we want to call it irregular detention, if we want to call it extrajudicial detention, i don't think we have to get stuck on that term. i wrote a history of the term. i had to use that term. and what i would really like people to know is the same thing is happening here now. >> she believes the use of the term "concentration camp" is appropriate to describe the places where the trump administration has locked up babies, toddlers, adolescents,
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teenagers, and adults of all ages. and in making that point last night andrea pitzer was very careful, very careful to make the crucial distinction between death camps like auschwitz and other concentration camps that were not death camps that were being used at the very same time in nazi germany and other countries during world war ii including the united states. the american concentration camps were not death camps. they were the places we used to imprison japanese americans during world war ii. george takei was 5 years old when the government locked him up with his family in one of those concentration camps. yesterday george takei tweeted, "i know what concentration camps are. i was inside two of them, in america. and yes, we are operating such camps again." the government didn't call the places they sent george takei concentration camps. the government called them relocation centers.
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the nazis called their concentration camps and their death camps labor camps. china called their concentration camps reeducation camps. governments never call these places what they really are. but the prisoners do. fort sill is an army base in lawton, oklahoma that was used as a concentration camp for japanese-americans during world war ii. and now the trump administration is planning to lock up 1,400 children at fort sill because they crossed our southern border. the unifying characteristic of concentration camps around the world is they are used to lock up men, women, and children of all ages who pose no threat to the people who lock them up. 1,400 children will be locked up exactly where we locked up japanese-americans during world war ii, a place that those japanese-americans called concentration camp. so what do you want to call it now?
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even in concentration camps that are not deliberately designed as death camps people die. some of the children we have locked up at the southern border have died because one of the other unifying characteristics of concentration camps everywhere is that the prisoners are not treated with dignity and respect and care, the people running concentration camps are not the people you want in charge of your health care or your nutrition. and so people will always die in concentration camps. when fort sill actually locks up 1,400 children as planned next month, how many of them might die there? we don't know. we can only hope that it is zero. fort sill was first used as a concentration camp during what american history books call the indian wars. native americans had been locked up at fort sill for decades by the time the great apache leader geronimo was brought to fort
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sill with 341 other apache prisoners in 1894. geronimo tried to escape once but was captured the next day. geronimo died at fort sill in 1909, when he was 79 years old. 1909, when he was 79 years old. will the next prisoner to die at fort sill be a child? we hope not. years from now the children who donald trump locks up in the very same place where this government locked up apaches and japanese-americans will get the last word on what history calls the place where donald trump locked them up. that is tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight, the president calls in to fox news, unleashes a diatribe on some of his favorite subjects including comey, mueller, and the fbi.

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