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then i will be talking to brian and nicole wallace. the debate itself is 9:00 p.m. eastern. moderated by msnbc colleagues. you don't want to miss that, "the beat" will tee it up and take it home. "hardball" starts now. appalling. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. are you looking live now where in just 26 hours the democratic presidential candidates will take the stage for their first debates. the two-hour event will give voters their first chance to personally evaluate 20 democratic contenders, all hoping to take down president trump. you can catch me in the spin room down in miami for our pre and post-debate coverage here on
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msnbc starting at 7:00 p.m. eastern. my colleagues, brian williams and nicole wallace will be anchoring from new york. a lot more on that dramatic showdown tomorrow night coming up. we start out with stories of hard overcrowded detention facilities which have spurred so many calls for action. since last friday, fume russ reports from exposed the squalid conditions for hundreds of migrant children held in a border patrol station in clint, texas. now, house democrats are scrambling to pass an aid package to address those very concerns. house speaker nancy pelosi has been grappling, however, with a threat of a revolt, among progress ev lawmakers who according to "new york times" say they fear that the aid will be used to carry out mr. trump's aggressive tactics, cluling deportation raids. it appears democrats have the votes, however, to pass that bill tonight. the white house yesterday threatened to veto the bill, however, today, president trump says he's waiting on the
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democrats for the money. >> are you concerned about the conditions of these border facilitys? >> yes, i am. i'm very concerned and they're much better than they were under president obama by far. and we're trying to get the democrats to agree to really give us some humanitarian aid, humanitarian money. >> reporter: also today, nbc news is reporting the government has moved 100 migrant children into that facility if texas, days after a group of lawyers described its conditions as appalling. as we reported yesterday, 300 children had been removed from the facility following those stories of prolonged detention and sanitation and outbreaks of infectious diseases. meanwhile, the same allegations of next and mistreatment e treatment are emerging from an overflow facility from migrant teenagers in homestead, florida. which has doubled in size twice in the last year according to nbc news, that district is represented by u.s. congresswoman debbie
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mucarsel-powel and david jolly a former congressman from florida and joined by nbc correspondent cal perry in homestead. cal, you first, what's it look like down there? >> reporter: well, listen, these facilities are designed very purposefully and i can give you some of the language that comes from these facilities from these lawyers. they say they are military-style camps, that these places are designed to mimic prison-like conditions. this is a policy of deter ens. this is the administration sending a very clear message that if you come to this country, you are risking your safety not only in the journey but when you are here in these detention facilities, the conditions are going to be very unpleasant. it is worth probably arguing about for these democratic candidates, not only what their plan is, but the effectiveness of an administration, basically sending a message the united states is no longer going to be a haven for people around the world, chris. >> maybe we got this accidentally. we are looking here, it doesn't look like a terrible picture,
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young teenagers, i'd say, 15, 16-years-old playing soccer. what are you able to see down there? >> reporter: yes. you have two sort of camps. you have the ones run by a private company. like this one behind me, these are contracted out usually to do natural disasters. they're not contracted out to take care of children. so the physical conditions of these camps can oftentimes look good. these are kids oftentimes isolated from the rest of the population. they can't visit relatives. they can speak to people once or twice a week to on the phone for ten minutes. they're basically mini prisons, we handed over the children to people who are used to running prison facilities. that's one of the issues. >> congresswoman, tell us what it's like if your facility, the facility you have had a look at. >> i have visited the homestead facility five times now, chris. the reality is it's an
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overcrowded prison-like facility. they are living in crowded areas. they have about 144 bunk beds of teenagers. boys and girls, 144. i mean, they're separate. boys are living in certain quarters, girls are living in different quarters. but they are between the ages of 13 and 17. they have only an hour of exercise or physical activity. they're not eating appropriate foods. every time i've seen the cafeteria, they're eating frozen you know chicken nuggets, hot dogs. i don't see a lot of fruits and vegetables. but the reality is we are treating these kids as if they were criminals. we are detaining children that have family members in the united states. i met a boy who is 13 years old who has been at that facility for 44 days. his mother is living atika. he was separated at the border 44 days ago we are continuing to see this administration separating children from their families, which exacerbates the conditions. not only in the border but also
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at homestead. >> well, a lawyer last night who interviewed the children at clinton, texas. that's the original facility, told us last night the facilities cost as much per night as a night at a ritz carlton. and that's an expensive hotel. let's watch. >> these facilities cost about $750 per day per child. >> that is what we would pay to put a child in the ritz carlton. >> yeah. >> these are not ritz carletons. to make it worse, these kids are kept there not for the 20 days they are allowed to be kept by law, but rather for five, six, seven weeks. we've interviewed children in these facilities for longer than nine months. at this cost. if you do the analysis, chris, you can find out you can save the taxpayers a billion dollars a year simply by taking the families who have children and parents in the united states and placing them with those parents. >> let me go back to the congresswoman on that point. the money issue. is the congress going to pass
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the money to deal with this situation tonight or when? >> so chris. this is the biggest travesty that i find in this administration. the profit making of the children being kept in this facility. it's true, we are paying close to $2 million to this for profit company while we see kids that don't have the basic necessities. it's so important we pass this supplemental bill today so we can take care of our children at the border. what doesn't square right with me is that we are paying. we have the funds, apparently this administration has the funds to pay this homestead facility $2 million a day and they don't have fruits and soaps and appropriate food for todd lers. >> i don't understand in the 4.5 billion for dop kits for toothpaste. where is the money you are appropriateing going to go? >> that's a very good question. i had the same question. and it's divided into all the different agencies, so a portion
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of those funds will go to the custom and borders patrol so they can provide these children with the basic necessities that they need and the adults as well, part of those funds are going to if to pay for more immigration attorneys, for translators. many of these families, they don't speak english. they don't have enough translators. so if a child is sick, they're not getting the appropriate care. some of the funding is going to the office of refugee resettlement so they can provide that funding to smaller for silts that can hold the children. overall, chris, it's a very difficult situation. for me it took ne a few days, i have to be honest with you. because we don't trust the administration. we don't know how they're going to be using those funds, which is why we have been negotiating, providing, including stricter language so that we can ensure that they don't transfer these funds, that they don't use these funds to add more beds. >> that we don't allow i.c.e. to use those funds for the raids the president is talking about.
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but that we allocate it to deal with the humanitarian crisis we are seeing at the border. >> thank you so much. the president, president trump was impressed about the conditions in these facilities, including the facility there in the congresswoman's district, homestead, during his interview on "meet the press." let's watch what he said on sunday. >> they're in terrible shape down there, mr. president, down in homestead, florida, where i grew up, the conditions are terrible. >> i agree. and it's been that way for a long time. >> do something. >> and president obama built the cages, remember when they said they built them. why did obama. >> your not doing recreation, schooling these kids, you got rid of that stuff. >> we are doing a fantastic job under the circumstances. the democrats aren't even approaching giving us the money. where is the money? you know what, the democrats are holding up the humanitarian aid. >> david jolly, this is again a familiar picture good purposes by the democrats trying to get something good, trying to prevent something bad. i'd wonder if anything is going to get resolved in this matter
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in terms of ending this appalling treatment of people. >> chris, donald trump's a liar. what he just said there. he lied in two very important ways. >> that obama created these conditions and the answer to all these problems is house democrats providing more money. this has been a multi-year problem. a multi-year challenge for dhs for past administrations and this one around the question of capacity and we're seeing that. with the surge of people coming across, we are seeing capacity needs. so as the congresswoman mentioned what's in both the house bill and the republican senate bills for processing facilities for capacity, the house wants legal aid, healthcare, certain hygiene supplies and so forth. but what the president has failed to do and what he lies about since the beginning of his administration is abide by the long settled standard which is the flores agreement. the flores settlement, that's nearly 20-years-old that provides a certain basic level of care, particularly for children, migrant children, when it comes to act stes to family
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members, when it comes to healthcare, to hygiene and the basic standards of detention. donald trump deliberately, deliberately ignored that and changed that. donald trump brought in family separation. it was not president obama. what donald trump did in that interview is a lie. my fear is that the well intentioned house democrats, if they declare too much of a victory on this spending bill, will have actually advanced the president's lies and actually bought into the president's own narrative it's just the money. it's not just the money. god bless the democrats and the republicans in the senate that want to provide the money. but the president said a false narrative based on a lie. this is donald trump's fault. >> let's get back to the border. what are the people down there working in this process of look after, look at, keeping control of the situation down there with those kids. what do they say is the problem? do they tell you what the problem is? >> reporter: yes. so i got inside one of those facilities, the biggest ones by custom and border protection if
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browns victim. we were walking around. they made us check our cameras. it was disgusting. the stench was overwhelming. it was all of those things you read in that article. cramped spaces. and the person who gave us the tour said what we really need here is immigration judges, we need more facilities and better facilities. if you look at clint, that facility, those horrible reports from, today we have another 100 children going back into that facility. it doesn't make any sense because it's not supposed to make sense. the administration is intentionally putting people into these situations to send these messages around not only through the communities but to the rest of the world. so what do we feed at the border? more immigration judges, more doctors, medics. nurses, there is a humanitarian crisis going on, the problem is the money is not being diverted to that issue. chris. >> here's something that's so stark. it's a reminder, however, the perils at the border right now. the associated press today published images of a man and his 23-month-old daughter from el salvador, who drowned in the
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rio grande on sunday just two days ago. be warned that the photo you are about to see is very graphic, very sad, tragic. take a look. according to journalists who captured these images, there they are. the father had already set his daughter on the u.s. bank of the river of the rio grande. but when he swam back to get his wife. his daughter threw herself in the water and then both of them, father and daughter were swept away and drowned. i don't know what to say, cam, your thoughts about this. i mean, it's such a big picture. it's such a big challenge. people desperate for a better life in our country. our country to the extent that it's doing it is protecting its sovereignty. it's a bad, bad, tragedy. your observations first hand? >> reporter: this reporting on this photo, to understand that according to reporter on the ground there, this person, this family tried to present themselves for asylum and under
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the new, keex p excuse me, return to mexico policy you can no longer do that so you are returned. you are waiting this gentleman with his daughter were forced to then as he thought it, he made that decision to cross the river. i would also say in that photo, that little girl has her arm and her father's neck. so these are people who are trying to get away from horrible conditions at home. they're willing to do anything. it's absolutely tragic. >> it's biblical. thank you so much. u.s. congresswoman debbie mucarsel-powel, david jolly and cal perry. coming up, one day to miami. the first democratic debatsz tomorrow night, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders will not be on the same stage tomorrow night. but the they are fighting for many of the same voters. a new poll out today shows a potentially significant shift in the lane they're both competing for. and trump's denial, new allegations of sexual assault from back in the '90s, he says accuser e.g. carroll is not my type. it's a defense if you can call it that. he's used before when talking
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the same stage with vermont senator bernie sanders. he will appear on the second night. they are going after the voters in many ways. a new poll shows warren surging. this is non-69tism. people online and wanted to express themselves. she is beating sanders by 20 points, nbc reports that move on centers over hillary clinton back in '16. the fact that progressives are gravitating towards like minded policy, warren could be another sign of trouble for sanders, who has been taken over in national polls recently. meanwhile, a concert poll nationally shows joe biden actually maintaining his front runner status with 38% up from actually 38% up from 3 points since march. it's not bad from a week of buffeting. but take a look at sanders and warren. since paump, sanders dropped
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eight points, sanders has gained eight points. ceo from national politician and reporter from the national reporter. more recently from the globe. you know as much as i know about politics. i was shattered about this before i went on the hair that biden is winning 38% among all democrats. he's fought really in the running among people on the left the progressive side of the party. so there is going to be a disconnect. but let's have this conversation talk about what i think is the implicit battle intramurals if you will between bernie and elizabe elizabeth. bernie has the old soldiers, he had the royalty. he's the adelaide stephenson of our times. he had a great run against hillary clinton. he won a huge numbers of votes in '16. he's coming back. he's 78 now. along comes a relative young person, elizabeth warren, her own party. she's only 70. she's sort of the younger version of bernie. my question is that going to be the fight we see implicitly the
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next two nights? mira? >> i do think you will see senator sanders try to differentiating both with vice president biden and even though she's not on the stage with him, senator warren. i think the one thing for a lot of democrats actually senator warren was the person they wanted to run in the past. she didn't run and some of that support went to obviously a lot of that support went to senator sanders. i actually think this is more of the gravitational pull with this. particularly with move on who really strongly supported senator warren in her run in massachusetts and a big backer of hers. i think this is actually more of the natural alignment of where they would have been. >> i sense something going in her direction, which is primordial. there is something in the party that says, the socialist label that bernie has put on himself is too much to sell in a general election. so in a bid, it's not just taking bernie's votes away from him on electability.
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it's grabbing some biden votes who are afraid we will get bernie. so she benefits from both. >> she is -- her strategy so far has been quite different from sanders. if you look at senator sanders and go to any of his rallies, it's a throwback to 2016. >> are they kids? >> they're the same people. the same people who are there. more to the point, he is saying the same thing what elizabeth warren has been able to do is reach out and she has been able to get people who have thought oh maybe she's the second choice. maybe i like buttigieg, warren is my second choice. some of those people have deflated. some of those people were saying she's my second choice. i've heard all of her policy plans. i go to her events. people areplay paying quite attention to the polls every day. >> she has new stuff all the time, which shows energy. biden hasn't been able to show energy. they come one new stuff every day, the party is dying for a future. i don't think they want to talk about the past. you know, by the way, it didn't really hurt biden talking act
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his ability to deal with these old segies. it didn't help him either. nobody wants to talk about that stuff. >> i do think one thing happening in the primary afternoon. lot of people were surprised by the vice president's numbers staying relatively strong. >> that's the large world beyond the cable world. >> yes. absolutely. but i think what's really happening is people underestimate how much trump has changed factors in the democratic party. so i think right now a lot of people just look at all these statements or these mini scan l scandals and compare them to donald trump and say that looks very small in comparison. >> every time i like to argue with people as you know, i argue with my friends who are always to my left. and i love to argue including my family members and inevitably their response is, if i have any shot at a democrat for being imperfect. they go, what bd trump? >> sure. i think with biden last week, he
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was eating away at his political capital. he has political capital with african-american voters. no doubt about that. the voters we talked to last week were saying, hey, we don't want to keep hearing this. you make mistakes, okay. you can't keep making them. so that's what he did. he spent his capital last week. that's why you didn't really see it in the polls. if he keeps doing this, if he can't get his act together. >> here's a psychobible question. what does joe biden. i've known him for years ago why is he out at the edge of the curve. let's talk about race. how about not talking about race. let's talk about the old segregationists that used to run our party. it was the segregationist party in many ways up until the '60s. >> that was very fair. i think to your point there is a broad question. why is le talking about the '70s and with 80s, when he should be talking 2019, 20s 21, '22.
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look. we have a debate coming up. >> will he do -- talk about grandpa finnegan, you know the old [ bleep ]. now i will say the word future 50 times. >> that's why warren seems so young. she is not doing that, she is coming up with if you ideas, that are fresh ideas, they're not coming out of think tanks, they're coming out our her think tank. >> front page, she gets the bid, beto got it a month or two away. what whiffed. >> that went away. a reporter question, why bute dpig was the flavor of the month two or three weeks ago, before the flavor of the month was beto. and now it seems like the flavor, does somebody decree this somewhere? >> i covered elizabeth warren for i think seven or eight years. so i don't know. >> there is something about, if you look at that front pages of major magazines, one person gets
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esquire, i'm sorry, vanity fair. somebody gets the "new york times." >> i think it's helpful that vanity fair front page cover. >> i get ticked off, african-american people say why is this newbie getting all this. just thinking. you are a tough guy. but i really like. i think this is a good trio, i'll try to talk less. on that president trump and iran's peers are trading threats. this is a real middle eastern threat. threatening anilation, capitulation. it's frightening. it doesn't look like it will lead to peace. trump says eastern is facing obliteration. is that the kind of tough talk that's helping? no, that's next. of tough talk that h'selping no, that's next. i switched to liberty mutual,
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do you think they understood the message you were sending them last week. you decided not to strike. >> i don't know if they understood the message. i decided not to strike. they shot down unmanned as you know, an unmanned drone. >> do you think they took your threat seriously? >> i think everybody does. i think you do, too. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was president trump this afternoon hours after he threatened iran with obliteration should there be any attacks. in a series of tweets, iran wrote the leadership doesn't understand the words nice or compassion. they never have. sadly the only thing they do
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understand is strength and power. iran's insultings statement put out today only show what is they did that day. they do not understand reality. anything other than american will be met with great and overwhelming force, overwhelming will mean obliteration. here are some of the cities in the middle east whose people have faced obliteration first hand. look at that the president was referring to a statement from iranian president rouhani who slammed trump's statements as idiotic and afflicted by mental illness. for more from angus king of maine, a member of the intelligence and armed services committee. why are we talking with this crazy apocalyptic language? >> well, it certainly doesn't lead us towards some kind of diplomatic solution.
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that's for sure. when you add to that the fact we loo ed to the likelihood of miscalculation on one side or the other, a mistake him something one side thinks is defensive. the other side says is provocative. the next thing you know we're on the escalation ladder with no telling where it ends. >> what do you make of the president saying the other day, i applauded in my own way, his statement we didn't want to cause cash in this tit for tat when he heard it would be 150 people killed by any surgical strike against military installations. he says that's too many. today he said obliterate. i mean, his concern about killing 150 people in an air raid, now is saying i want to obliterate whole populations? >> well, the u.s. very hard to read. and the messages are very, as you say, in this case, very inconsistent. i think he wants, he's, you know, the whole strategy, as i understand it, we had a briefing from some of his people the other day.
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it's called maximum pressure. i suppose what you saw today was the rhetorical part of the maximum pressure, talking about obliteration and overwhelming force. but again, how do we get off the path? my question is, what's the end game? mike pompeo listed 12 steps that the iranians had to accept and basically, they asked the iranian to change who they are. it's unlikely to get a negotiated settlement when you start with the kind of max malist position. so i don't know how we get around this. again, the president has also said the door is opened for negotiation. john bolton said all they have to do is walk through the door. but they just sanctioned the guy who they want to walk through the door if they are sincere about some kind of negotiations. chris, we're seeing all kind of messages going back and forth. as i said before, what really worries me is a mistake, a miscalculation. the guns of august. people are wondering who years
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later, barbara tugman, how did we get into this horrible war? we're exactly in that kind of six now. >> a question to you. what should the united states do, assuming we had a different president, what should the united states do to stop iran from developing nuclear weapons? >> well, i would have, my strategy would have been to start with a jcpoa, which was working, they were abiding-by abiding-by-it. it has weaknesses, particularly the deadlines that were coming up. say, okay, let's sit dun at the table and talk about jcpoa number 2? what do we have to get there? now we're in a situation where we're asking not only for an end to nuclear efforts, which is good, but no missiles, no malign activity. i should say, chris, iran is no boy scout here. they are a very maligned force in the middle east. they're running hezbollah.
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they've got proxies in iraq. they've killed americans over the years. they are not good guys. they need to be confronted. the question is, how do you confront them most effectively to get to where you want? which is to get them to stop those malign activities without getting to the place where war looks more likely than not. >> yes or no question, i think it is, should he be required to get congressional approval to commit an act of war against iran? >> yes. >> okay. i like that. >> now, the qualification there is, self-defense is always available to the president. but the constitution couldn't be more clear, the framework, gow back to august of 1787, madison's notes where they were debating thousand war powers should be handled. there were some that said the president should declare war and execute it. others said, no, that's the whole reason we had this matter of a revolution, was we don't want the king or the executive
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to unilaterally take people into war. they split it. they said congress declares war. congress has had advocated that in the last 70 years. i think it's time for congress to reassert itself, take the responsibility for taking that decision. bearing in mind the amendment that hopefully will come up this week. the president, of course, always that option under article 2, to defend the country, to respond to attacks against the country. but the larger question is, the american people should be behind this when we go to war and that means congress. >> thank you so much, sir. angus king from maine. now, i want to bring in general mccaffrey, retired four star army general. what do you make of this kind of situation where the president says you hit any american asset, you hurt any american, we are going to war to a blit rate you. >> unlikely talking tough and backing people into a corner and fought negotiating is a good
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strategy going forward. part of the problem was we no longer in my judgment have a national security process. we write down our political objectives and decide what tools the u.s. government collectively we're going to bring to bear. how the we engage our allies? how do we give them a way out, an off-ramp, so to speak and military power can be a part of that. chris, at the end of the day, u.s. air and naval power cannot keep the gulf opened and cannot destroy the nuclear capability of the iranian government. so what is our strategy? what are we trying to achieve? i think to be honest, with the president, it's been all drama, impulsive. it was not the process. well thought out with an alternative that he decided on. by the way, the whole nonsense about help didn't want to kill 150 people, all he had to do is tell the jcs, the strike has to have zero casualties. get ten fighters on the ground at 2:00 in the morning. tell the missile batteries
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engaged our drone to get their people off the site we're attacking at 8:00 a.m. tomorrow morning with tomahawk missiles. they're making that stuff up. this is impulsive chaotic government. >> did anybody have a meeting where we decide iran is our strategic enemy? >> i think -- >> when did we decide we're going no focus on them as our enemy? >> i think for 20s years as the senator pointed out, they have been bad actors. they have been providing oil to the japanese and the european union. they have been a sponsor of shyite terrorism through syria, iraq, lebanon and trump inherited that problem. he certainly didn't create it. the question is going forward what are we trying to achieve and what tools are likely to get us there? currently, we have a very belligerent, chaotic approach to the problem. it's unlikely good will come -- i don't think there will be war, by the way. it doesn't serve the interests of any of the actors involved.
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o'donnell. let's watch her account. >> the next thing he did the put his shoulder against me and his hand went -- i was wearing just a black done that car ran coat dress and tights. and it was a work of a second to reach in under my donna car ran, through opened in the front and through the dana car ran dress and pull down my tights. that's when i -- that's within my brain went on, that's when the adrenaline started and it became a fight. and it was, it hurt. and it was against my will. and it -- i don't know where i got the strength. because he was big. but i think, i was stompingpy foot. i had my hand bag in this arm. i never put it down, i'm holding, i have no idea.
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the only reason i know i'm holding it, when i got out in the street i still had it in my hand. so somehow i got my knee up and pushed him back and the minute he backed up, i was out the door. >> president trump initially issued a statement denying that allegation, accusing carrol of lying. we will invite people to find out if she or the fork magazine were working with the democratic party. in statement, he wrote, quote, the world should know what's really going on. it is a disgrace and people should pay dearly for such false accusations. well, of course, the famous 2005 "access hollywood" recording released in october of 2016, trump admitted to lewd behavior. let's watch him. behavior. let's watch him. . >> well, carol joins a list of
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assault. i'll save you, number one, she's not my type, it never happened. it's not the first time he's attacked an accuser. let's watch some of his attacks back. >> these events never, ever happened and the people that said them meekly, fully understand, you take a look at these people, you study these people and you'll understand also. take a look. you take a look, look at her. look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. i don't think so. when you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said, i don't think so. he went after me on the plane. yeah, i'm going to go after you. believe me. she would not be my first choice, that i can tell you. yeah. you don't know. >> that would fought be my first choice. >> that's rubbing it in. i am joined my ashley parker, washington post white house reporter and former congresswoman done that edwards,
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also a columnist for the washington host. actually, it is astounding that he goes to such a gross counterpun were, which is when accused of gross sexual% conduct, he says, oh, she's not good looking enough mean, basic gross response, and puts her somehow under his micro scope of obnoxiousne obnoxiousness. >> right, in addition to denying the allegations, which is his right to do, the subtext of sort of always making a comment about the accuser's physical appearance, these women are not attractive enough frankly, to even be considered by the president to be in a position where they can accuse him of sexual assault. that is not a typical response to being accused of sexual misconduct or sexual harassment, even in this recent case, the accuser doesn't use the word, she describes rape, and the president just goes and attacks their physical appearance.
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>> you don't have to be a genius to understand horrible behavior to know that rape is not about attractiveness, it's about power. >> absolutely. it's about power and control. and the president's efforts to demean these women actually underscores something about him. about the fact that he can't deal -- he can't deal with women, and what he's done is, he continues to demean them by their appearance. his relationship to them. and i think that, you know, we have to say outloud what the president is doing. 16 by my count, i think, 16, 18 women have accused of president of sexual assault, and rape. and every day -- >> this might be the one -- >> is there another rape charge in. >> yeah, i think there is. >> this one jumped out at me. ashley, let's talk about this for a second. he has people who don't change.
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we always talk about the dial moving a little on his support level. the best bet now, it won't move an inch against him, don't you think? his people don't seem to be offended by the reality that's biting here. >> right, there is a sense that some of this is -- and to be clear, this doesn't minimize any of the allegations or accusations against him, but there is a sense, especially from his team and supporters, that this was baked in the cake, right? there is nothing that is coming out against the president now that his supporters and his voters don't -- >> he's a rapist, live with it. it's horrible. >> in the week of the access hollywood tape. >> you're right in a way, and the crudeness of it, anyway, carol respond to the president's comments on cnn last night, let's listen too her. >> he's denied all 15 women who have come forward. he denies, he turns it around, he threatens, and he attacks. it was against my will and it
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hurt. and it was a fight. >> donna? we have an election coming up next year, this may be old news as a pattern, but it is more evidence of reality? >> well, it is, and i think -- i think that we cannot get used to a president of the united states who declares publicly that he assaults women and then we have 16 women coming out saying that he does. for the president to say, oh, you can't believe it, these are false accusations. 16 allegations, chris. somebody in there is telling the truth. >> well, yes. i have to stick you with this question, ashley, you're notten editor at the paper, but you're a great reporter, i do get a sense that it's like one of those things like, it's not front page material any more with trump. this stories are not big enough to blow the roof off the capital kind of story, just, yeah. trump. yeah.
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>> for what it's worth, i say the post put these accusations on the front page, but broader what you say has some truth. we had campaign reporters out there with a number of the democratic candidates. it's not something the democrats are talking about and stressing as a point of attack. they talk to democratic voters and it's not something democratic voters are bringing up either. i can't quite tell you why, but for whatever reason, this is not resonating the way you might expect accusations of rape against a president of the united states to resonate and grip the nation. >> this is one hard country, thank you ashley parker and donna edwards. up next, the location of next week's debate bring the issue of climate change to center stage? i'm betting on that, i'll tell you why when you come back. it's not something you can ignore if you live in miami. my experience with usaa
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historically, candidates for president are used to fighting about their level on the debate stage. candidates of shorter stature usually ask for a riser to change how they appear to the viewer at home. in the first democratic presidential debate tomorrow and thursday night, the elevation
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issue is candidatewide. in other words, regardless of height. all the candidates must face the reality that miami, the site of the debates is just five feet above sea level. five feet. and this matters to the people in businesses of this huge metropolitan city. in miami, rising sea levels caused by climate change and warming oceans is not an issue for future generations, it's a concern right now in realtime. take a boat around the city or simply walk along the waterfront, and you realize immediately how much the beautiful downtown of miami begins to look like venice, a city on the water, and with five feet to go, rising sea levels don't have far to go. here's this from the top of the front page of today's "new york times." climate change became a reality long ago in miami where the rich and poor have been forced to grapple with warmer temperatures and higher sea levels. the evidence is everywhere of a
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city under siege by the rising sea. so count on the topic of climate change to come up tomorrow night. just as the sea level is coming up. and that's hardball for now, be sure to tune in tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. eastern for our predebate coverage right here on msnbc. and then the debate itself at 9:00 p.m. eastern. "all in with chris hayes" of course starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> are you concerned about the conditions at these border facilities? >> yes, i am, i'm very concerned. >> donald trump's migrant nightmare continues. >> 100 migrant children moved out of a facility described as appalling, have been moved back into that facility. >> what we know about what's happening with these children. as the house votes on an emergency funding bill, and this guy just got his job back at the border patrol. >> that is a soon to be ms-13 gang member. >> then maxine wat


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