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good morning. >> in washington, it's 4:00 in the east. 1:00 out west. the first democratic debate is over. who won? who lost? and why? >> i'm with bernie on medicare for all. >> if you did your homework on this issue, we should repeal this section. >> we have to be engaged. as a soldier, i will tell you, that is unacceptable. >> i don't make all of the promises that everyone makes. we will lose our security and
our values. >> what do the ten people take away from what happened in the first debate in the 2020 campaign season. answers ahead. >> ten candidates tangling in miami for two hours. they hit on a breadth of issues. health care, the economy, immigration and guns, among the key topics in a fast-paced battle for time and attention. first, the economy. >> when you have a government, an economy, that does great for those with money and isn't doing great for everyone else, that is corruption, pure and simple. we need to call it out, attack it head-on and make structural change in our government, our economy and in our country. >> donald trump sits in the white house and gloats about what's going on, when you have so many people who have trouble affording college and their
premi premiums. >> i live in a low-income black and brown community. i see every day this economy is not working for average americans. >> what is missing is courage. courage in washington to take on the giants. that's part of the corruption in this system. >> i would do several things, starting with something we should have done a long time ago. which was to pass the equal rights amendment. and pass legislation to make sure women are paid equal work for equal pay. and outrage of the situation at the border. castro pressed o'rourke on decriminalizing crossing the border illegally. >> some on this stage, have called to end that, to terminate it. some have not. i want to challenge all of the
candidates to do that. i think it's a mistake. if you want to change the system, we have to repeal that section. >> thank you. >> if not -- >> let me respond to this. as a member of congress, i helped to introduce legislation that would insure that we don't criminalize those that are seeking asylum and refuge in this country. if you're playing desperation, i want to make sure you're treated with respect. >> i'm talking about everybody else. >> you're looking at one small part of this. >> if you did your homework on this issue, you would know we should repeal this section. bill de blasio offered this on immigration. >> for all of the american citizens out there, who feel you are falling behind and feel the american dream isn't working for you, the immigrants didn't do that to you. >> on health care, elizabeth
warren crystallized a position she has been hard to pin down on. she would privatize insurance. >> i'm with bernie on medicare for all. i spent a big chunk of my life studying why families go broke. and one of the main reasons is the cost of health care. medical bills. that's not just for people who don't have insurance. it's for people who have insurance. there's a lot of politicians who say, it's not possible. we can't do it. a lot of political reasons for this. what they're telling you, they won't fight for it. health care is a basic human right. and i will fight for basic human rights. >> others disagree when it comes to eliminating health care insurance.
>> private insurance is not working for tens of millions of americans. it's not working. >> we should give everyone in this country health care as a basic human right for free. full stop. we should give them the option to buy private insurance. why do we have to stand for taking away something from people. and the issue of gun control sparked these passionate responses. >> gun violence is a national health energy in this country. >> this is not a policy issue. this is an urgency. for those that are not affected, they're tired to live in a country where their kid gas to school to learn about reading, writing and how to deal with a shooter in their school. if you need a license to drive a car, you should need a license to own and buy a firearm. >> i believe at 12:01 p.m., we'll have a democratic
president, a democratic house and senate. i believe we can get that done in 2021. >> we need to deal with the trauma that our kids have. we need trauma-based care in every school. >> i look at these proposals and say, does this hurt my uncle dick and his deer stand. these proposals don't do that. >> from the site of the first debate, von hilliard. we appreciate you getting up early this morning. what is the major takeaway from night one? >> this was, jeff, going to be the introduction for these candidates. you had ten there. and this was the case in which several of the candidates had never been exposed to this national audience before. i was in touch with folks around the country and was engaged with their feedback throughout.
and castro was the perfect example. he was the former hud secretary in the obama administration. former mayor of san antonio. this is his first inning. his opening act of this ball game here. he's been on the campaign trail for several months. this was his first exposure to a broad cross section of the democratic electorate. i want to play an interview that our colleague, garrett haake caught up with last night, and castro touched on that very subject. >> i've been campaigning hard for five months. going to 20 different states in our country. folks saw that i have a strong, positive vision for the future of our country. i've done my homework. i know what i'm talking about. i can be a strong leader for the
years to come. he is a texas, along with beto o'rourke, who has received ample national attention in his senate bid against ted cruz. but for a great part of this country, this was an introduction to castro. you saw jay inslee, the governor of washington state. 50% of the democratic elector e electorate, said they never heard of jay inslee. and last night, he said, i'm a governor that pushed through legislation, including a public health care option in my state. he said, i enacted a clean energy plan in my state. and that was an opening act for several of the candidates, including the likes of bill de blasio to introduce himself to the country. >> let's talk about the spin room here. where you break down the performance of a lot of the candidates, who won, who lost.
what was the takeaway from there? >> it was interesting. several of the candidates showed up in the spin room. most candidates had five to ten minutes to speak throughout the entirety of that debate. the spin room was an opportunity to talk with members of the press and amplify what they wanted to get across the room. there was amy klobuchar, the minnesota senator. she was able to go in and talk about what he she has accomplished in the u.s. senate. you had tim ryan trying to clarify his position, or his statement that he may be suggesting that the taliban were behind the 9/11 attacks. and the congressman out of hawaii, went and corrected him and said it was al qaeda. and tim ryan used the opportunity in the spin room to
say it was the taliban that harbored al qaeda, leading to the terrorist attacks on 9/11. that's part of the spin room theatrics. and we should expect a similar situation with round two. >> there was theatrics on stage, as well. it wasn't just for the spin room. thank you for getting up early, vaughn. appreciate it. jonathan allen, nbc national political reporter, and julia manchester, reporter for "the hill." thank you for getting up bright and early, since the debate wrapped. you co-wrote a breakdown of winners and losers from last night. tell us about who did the best last night and who you think was at the bottom of the list. >> i think first of all, if you take a step back, president donald trump had a pretty good night last night, not being mentioned by the candidates. it's important to look at that.
you have the candidates talking about the inner party fight. elizabeth warren was the one with the pressure on her. she's polling third nationally, the big presence on stage. and i think she nailed her remarks. she got out there and said she wanted to get her populist message out. wanted to get the populist message out. she was able to do it clearly and concisely. castro had a big night. he is competing with beto o'rourke, the former congressman from texas. both from the same state. and o'rourke got beat up. moving into the section of who had a tough night. beto o'rourke had a difficult
evening last night. and tim ryan, as vaughn mentioned, as well. had that flub with knowing who attacked the u.s. on 9/11. he said the taliban had done that. it was al qaeda. when you talk about whether or not the united states should be deployed, there's a lot of sensitivity we went and invaded iraq. some public officials suggesting that iraq was responsible when it wasn't. >> julia manchester, what's your take on this? there was reporting that beto o'rourke was nervous going into this debate. he sees himself as a retail politician. you have warren, booker, castro. making the best use of their time on the stage.
>> we were hearing that beto o'rourke was nervous before this forum. i think he was outshone by people, like cory booker, elizabeth warren and castro. some took the opportunity to go after beto. and i don't know how hi defended himself. elizabeth warren was so well able to explain her economic stance and her medicare -- health care stance, as well. and bill de blasio, even though he didn't have as much time to speak. he was able to edge his way into the conversation. john delaney struggled to do that. castro's bit on immigration was powerful. and amy klobuchar.
she's had a series of one-liners. she responded to jay inslee and his stance on reproductive rights. and she said, there are three women on this stage. one person that was lost in the conversation, was tulsi gabert. bill de blasio was able to edge his way in. sh she had a notable exchange with tim ryan over afghanistan. circling back to beto o'rourke, this was something he needed to have as a breakout moment. i don't know if he seized upon it. he's been improving himself, by doing more retail politics. >> he must have known he was going to be enemy number one on
that stage. both of you can comment on this. he had fanfare at the get-go to run for president. he had a line where he was born to do this. he must have known and should have been, and maybe was not prepared for something like this last night. >> it didn't seem like he was that prepared, either. >> does that play well for him? >> maybe not. he was probably expecting elizabeth warren or joe biden or donald trump to be attacked more. it shows how much we were surprised that trump, biden and warr ren weren't attacked as mu on that stage.
>> all of the candidates up there, sensed there was a time to deliver a kill shot. everyone going in, you talk to people around the campaigns, they understood that he was in a tou tough position. i felt like they felt he wasn't fight back effectively. >> you have that piece, saying that donald trump is the big winner. thoughts and prayers for your twitter feed, my friend. we have sound of the candidates taking on donald trump directly. let's listen to that and talk about it on the other side. this president is ten minutes away from going to worar. >> i don't think we should form policy in our bathrobe at 4:00 in this morning. >> in january 2021, we'll say adios to donald trump. >> with the caveat that tonight's debate hasn't happened with the other candidates, who do you think on that stage was
best prepared to take on donald trump? justice it's hard to protect those things. warren was the best debater. someone who was a high school debate champion. someone who came in completely prepared. somebody who was ready to answer the questions with essentially the sound byte she wanted. somebody who talks a lot about fighting, i think democrats want that in a candidate right now. i thought she was the class of the debate stage in this last debate. as far as tonight, we'll see it. i think you hear more about donald trump from the candidates in a few hours here. >> i want you to weigh in on mayor bill de blasio. it didn't seem like he had a standout moment, especially someone going up against donald trump and taking him on. that's been his big push since his launched his campaign a
couple of weeks ago. >> yeah. i think there's a certain element to bill de blasio, that he's willing to brawl with anyone. he fights with the police unions and fights with the police in new york some. there's nobody he's unwilling to get into it with. the problem for him is that often leaves him less popular. i'm not a bill de blasio expert because he is a feature of new york and not necessarily as well-known around the rest of the country. he's trying to get himself known at this point. i think he will probably stick around long enough to be in the next set of debates. >> seems like he made a name for himself, to say the least last night. thank you both. appreciate it, guys. >> thank you. with joe biden having a lead in the polls, you might have expected him to be a target last night. but the candidates acted as if he didn't exist. was that better or worse for him? that's next. ext. [ giggling ] let's play dress-up.
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whether we're talking about central america, iran, afghanistan, we have to be engaged. >> engagement is the problem. >> you will tell the parents of those two soldiers who were just killed in afghanistan, what we have to be engaged. as a soldier, i tell you, that is unacceptable. >> if the united states is not engaged, the taliban will grow. >> the taliban was there long wfr we came in. they will be there after we leave. >> that clash, one of the few of the night, between tulsi gabbard
and tim ryan. >> more from that and the spin room, mike, we love that you joined us. we need company here. what did ryan say after that exchange about what went down? and if he would have changed anything. >> he says he would not replay that exchange differently. tim ryan is focused on domestic policy. that democrats need to play to the heartland than to the coast. we heard his campaign, trying to explain after that debate, saying that tulsi gabbard distorted what he was saying. her foreign policy should be something we question. this is one of the situations
where a candidate had to deal with the issue in front of them. it tripped him up, if you're the ryan campaign. >> one of the candidates on on that stage, but will be tonight, he had one of his aides in the spin room yesterday, i understand. what was she saying? and is it better or worse that the former v.p. wasn't mentioned at all last night? >> they were prepared for him to be a target last night. they were circulating before the debate. quotes from every one of the capped dates, praising joe biden in the past. we heard from some of the biden surrogates, this was a chance for the candidates to introduce themselves to the country. and they didn't want to use that time to attack a popular figure in the party.
it might be a different scene on the stage, to get his rivals to focus on his record. biden has been preparing. including jennifer granholm. >> she played sarah palin back then, right? >> thanks, mike. as each of the candidates laid out policy claims on the debate stage last night, nbc news is digging deeper. fact-checking the contenders on what was true, what was false and what needs to be clarified. >> joining us now, is allen smith, nbc news political reporter, and adam edelman, a political reporter for nbcnews.com. you wrote an article clarifying some of the candidates' statements last night. one of the statements from tim ryan had to do with wealth contribution in the country. let's listen to that first. >> this is not a new phenomenon in the united states of america.
the bottom 60% haven't seen a raise since 1980. justice >> is that true? do the 1% control 90% of the wealth in this country? >> no. this number comes from a 2017 study and actually that number is closer to the bottom 40%. >> we predicted that roe v. wade would be front and center. elizabeth warren saying that the majority of people support roe v. wade. let's listen to what elizabeth warren said. and i want you to comment on it. >> 47 years ago, roe versus wade was decided. we've looked to the courts all that time, as state after state has undermined roe, put in exceptions. we now have an america where
most people support roe versus wade. we need to make that federal law. >> fact-check that for us, allen. >> polling shows that most americans do support roe v. wade. the real debate over abortion comes on limits. this is a lot of the stuff that republicans are trying to do in state legislatures. we've seen more extreme laws like alabama, outlawing abortion outright. that's threatening roe v. wade as a whole. most americans support the law and support abortion in general. but polling differs when it comes to a limit on abortions and what that limit is. >> that's what is so difficult when you have 60 seconds to answer a question, it seems. >> something that caught my ear. you have jay inslee. he said he was the first leader to create a public health care option in the u.s. let's listen to that first. >> i'm the only candidate who has passed a public option.
and i respect everybody's goals and plans here. we have one candidate that's advanced the ball. >> what's the deal? was mitt romney the first to do it? this was generally true but requires a lot more nuance and context. jay inslee signed a law that put into place a public option. advocates of a pure public option, said this didn't suffice. the measures that inslee put in place were cost controls and beefing up a state exchange and making sure everyone did get health insurance. the bill does call it a public option, it might not really pass the sniff test when it comes to what advocates would call a pure public option. >> we talked roe v. wade. we talked health care.
immigration, top of mind, as well. amy gloklobuchar stating that t 2013 immigration bill would have lower the national debt significantly. listen to what she said. >> this president has gone backwards at a time our economy needs immigrants. my proposal is to look at that 2013 bill, to upgrade that bill, make it as good as possible and get it done. it brings the debt down by $158 billion. >> walk us through this. >> so, the congressional budget office at the time came out and said it would reduce the deficit by the amount that senator klobuchar stated. there's one little difference here, in that klobuchar said it would reduce the debt. actually, it would reduce the deficit. i don't think you can take money off of the debt. but you can decrease the rate it is increasing.
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secretary castro. we are going to get to 50 votes in the senate, so we cannot only balance the supreme court, but start to pass an aggressive agenda that, frankly, isn't so aggressive because most of america agrees with the policy objectives of our party. >> new jersey senator, cory booker, sounding hopeful the democrats will not only take the presidency but gain a majority in the senate. at last night's debate, candidates were asked how they will pass the policy proposals, if mitch mcconnell is re-elected as senate majority leader. three democrats said this is about the future of the democratic party. watch this. >> we should be the party that keeps what's working and mixes what's broken. [ applause ] all of the big transformative things we've done in this country's history have happened when huge ma yojorities of the american people get behind them. that's why we need solutions not impossible promises. >> we have a perception problem with the democratic part by.
we are not connecting to the working class people in the very states that i present, in ohio and the industrial midwest. we lost all connection. we have to change the center of gravity of the democratic party, from being coastal and elitist and ivy league, which is the perception, to somebody from the forgotten communities that have been left behind for the last 30 years. >> to your question about mitch mcconnell, there's a political solution we have to come to grips with. if the democratic party would be the working party again, to go into states, including red states, to convince people we're on their side, we can put pressure on their senators to vote for the nominees that have put forward. >> joining us now is philippe rienus and spokesman for hillary clinton. appreciate your time this
morning. the only one we can't hear from is warren, about the wholesale reworking on the system. do you think that's a message that could work for the democratic party? >> it's a positive, uplifting message. elizabeth warren did what she says she has a plan. she has a plan. she had a plan for the debates. i think it worked. what you saw with congressman delaney, was taking issue with what he was referring to, the public option or the medical fir all, or the privatizing or reversing the privatization of health care, which is going to be a very thorny issue between him and tim ryan making the thought about coastal elites. there's two people on the stage
from texas and klobuchar from minnesota. it seemed like the people doing the worst in the debates were the ones that were most upset about other democrats. >> i want to stick with what you said about tim ryan and have you elaborate on that. you said it was interesting. but do you think it was accurate? and do you think the democrats are open to hear a message like that, that they are being forgotten right now and need to be heard? >> i think -- it's a democratic primary. in the narrow sense, i do not think that democratic voters want to hear that trump's angst-ridden economic voters are not being paid attention to. he's not saying that democrats aren't paying attention to democrats.
>> i'm getting confused what he meant and what he said. >> it is 4:37 in the morning. >> yeah. the larger criticism is that we are talking to ourselves about paper straws and elitism and reparations and things that are problematic when they become a bigger deal. i think it's interesting to do that about health care because health care is always such an important issue. delaney and ryan, i think there was a little bit of sour grapes to be honest with you. the two lesser tier to be polite, candidates on stage. i do not think anyone watching at home. i like that tim ryan guy, what he has to say about coastal elitism and being ignored. i have a feeling it's not working for him on the trail or tonight. >> i talked to one of your former colleagues.
jim palmieri. joe biden is the front-runner for a reason. people like him. if you attack the guy that people like, you only end up hurting yourself. do you agree with that? is that one of the reasons we didn't hear the candidates attack joe biden directly? >> i do. there's a couple of other reasons. it's not that people don't want joe biden to be attacked. they might not want to do it themselves. you had nine or ten people to go on stage and say one of the other guys is going to attack joe biden and i'm going to benefit from it. and you get off stage and think, that's strange it didn't happen. in a multicandidate field, it's a different dynamic. in 2016, if bernie hit hillary and people didn't like what hillary said or did, they would vote for bernie. if hillary hit bernie, vice versa.
here, you could have a candidate hit biden and the voters say, i didn't like what biden did or said, but i don't like the way the person attacked him doing it. there's a little bit of everyone staring at each other, maybe you do it. they want to bring joe biden down. they want him to be at 38%, 40%, but they don't want to be the one to do it. and clearly, he is teflon who we called ronald reagan. that might be strong with joe biden. but he's showing resiliency among the electorate. that's taking a lot of people by surprise. >> i wonder if there's just a general exhaustion when it comes to infighting, considering the current political climate. but you're shaking your head. >> i think people find energy. there was a satirical piece where people say they want to see a debate about policy. the candidates -- if you're negative, if you're attacking, there's something desperate you know you're losing.
i'm not sure at this point any of them are so desperate or so worried about it. now, we have tonight. tonight, i think, is going to be a different dynamic. bernie sanders might have been hoping that elizabeth warren took more heat than she did. i think it was simple. bernie sanders got 30% of the vote. he is getting 16%. people have left bernie in drefs. and they're going to warren and to biden. he needs to stop that cannibalization of his votes. he is not going to stand there and play patty cacakes. he is probably going to take advantage of the night to make a stark contrast with joe biden to stand next to him and elizabeth warren. >> we expect nothing less from senator bernie sanders. >> philippe, thank you for your
welcome back. every candidate had a chance to offer what they view as the biggest threat, to the united states today. and they all had something to offer. >> joining us now from miami with more on that is nbc's savannah sellers. savannah, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, guys. yes, as you mentioned, they had something to offer to that answer of what is the greatest geopolitical threat to the united states. the answers ranged from climate change to china and many of the candidates actually agreed on what they thought was the greatest threat. take a listen. >> the greatest threat to the united states right now. congressman delaney? >> the biggest geopolitical
challenge is china. but the biggest threat remains nuclear weapons. those are different questions. >> i get it. governor inslee? >> the biggest threat to the security of the united states is donald trump. and there's no question. >> congresswoman gabbard. >> the greatest -- >> greatest geopolitical threat. >> the greatest threat we face is we're at a greater risk of nuclear war than ever in history. >> two threats. economic threat is china and our major threat is what's going on in the middle east with iran. >> try to keep it -- >> slimmer than what we've been doing. one or two words. >> our existential threat is climate change. we have to confront it. >> climate change. >> nuclear proliferation and climate change. >> china and climate change. >> congressman ryan. >> china, without a question. they're wiping us around the world economically. >> and mr. mayor? >> russia because they're trying to undermine our democracy and they've been doing a good job of
it and we need to stop them. >> reporter: as you heard, many of the candidates said that climate change is the greatest threat to the united states. one thing to note, is that jay inslee did not say that. he has built his entire campaign around climate change. he was the only one to say that donald trump is the greatest threat. he said elsewhere in the debate, he is the person who is going to organizati organize us on climate change. it was surprising to hear him not say that with that answer. >> he did say that donald trump was the biggest threat, he got major applause in the room, to say the least. savannah sellers. good seeing you. thank you. it's an issue that could loom large by next november. which of the candidates won the issue? e issue?
debate. several of the contenders, not shying away from making digs at president trump, talking about who the economy is working for and who it's not. >> it's doing great for giant drug companies. it's not doing great for people who are trying to get a prescription filled. it's doing great for people who want to invest in private prisons. just not for the african-americans and latins whose families are torn apart andstroyed and communities are ruined. >> we lost 4,000 jobs at a general motors facility, that rippled throughout our community. general motors got a tax cut. and general motors got a bailout. >> this is supposed to be the party of working people. every time you talk about investing in people and their communities, you hear folks say there's not enough money. there's plenty of money in this world. plenty of money in this country. it's in the wrong hands.
>> joaning us now is rashad richie and former nevada state gop chairwoman amy tarkanian. what is the overall take away on the big winners and big losers of the night overall? >> i don't think there were any big losers. i do think, on a scale system, beto probably did the worst. here's how i would rank overall. i'm number one, castro. two, booker. and three, elizabeth warren. on the economy, it's a little different. >> amy, let's talk economy here. i've been pretty curious how democrats will be approaching economy, considering where the economy is at right now, under current president trump. and the economy seems like it is doing well, right? you dig into the numbers, especially, you can beg to differ with that. nonetheless, at face value, the
economy seems to be doing really well. how do the democrats approach th this? it seems like there is a lot of disparity between the rich and the poor and bridging that gap. how do you think that went down? >> well, if you look at the polling, it shows the american people are feeling pretty confident about the economy overall. i'm not sure if they're going to be able to win that argument, to be honest. i do agree with rashad, that last night, i thought that senator warren, she came out pretty strong, whether if you agree or disagree with her. she did have policy ideas. i felt that castro did a phenomenal job, if you agree or disagree with his policies. i still think in the end, republicans will come out on top on this. we're seeing a wage -- the highest wage increase in ten years and lowest unemployment in the last 50-plus years for
women, latinos and african-americans. that's pretty hard to argue against. >> and it's interesting with senator elizabeth warren, in that, she was really the only candidate, that talked about an entire structural overhaul that we didn't hear from anybody else up on that stage. i wonder if we'll be hearing something like that tonight. that's particular in the way she goes about things. >> you can tell -- she did her homework and did a thorough job. that's what every presidential candidate should do. there were a few candidates on there where i think they were still asleep at the wheel and weren't sure they were on that stage to begin with and woke up about three-fourths of the way in, that one being tim ryan. and i thought beto o'rourke gave a horrible performance. >> i want to get your take on this. we talked about the economy earlier. tim ryan made the point, that
the democratic party said there is a disconnect with white working class voters. joe biden has a similar message there. do you think that democrats will break through on this issue that donald trump claims is his, talking about the forgotten people, the forgotten america? >> if they want to be the leader in this arena, they must. they must connect back with the working class folks in america. when trump ran for president, he ran a common sense campaign that struck the hearts of individuals who were working class america. hillary clinton, did not run that type of campaign. you cannot make that mistake again as a democratic presidential candidate. let me push back on the numbers slig slightly. 60% of americans say they have a level of confidence about the economy right now. only 40% give credit to president trump. so, that's a huge disconnect.
typically, the president would benefit from those numbers. in this case, trump is not benefitting from the numbers that indicate economic surety. so, this is something that democrats can take advantage of. and what you saw on the debate stage was them making a case that, yeah, the economy is doing good. but it's doing really, really good for those who are super, superrich. and it creates an equity issue. that's what they're exploiting. and i think they will do it again tonight. >> rashad richey, thank you. we appreciate it. we'll see you again in the next hour. >> sounds good. fact-checking the debate. were the candidates straight with the truth? that's coming up.
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