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at 3:00 p.m. i'll be speaking with presidential candidate cory booker. good afternoon. i'm chris jansing in for katy tur. 2:00 p.m. on the east coast, 1:00 p.m. in chicago where we'll soon hear from former vice president joe biden. this will be his first public comments since the debate. headlines across the counted paint a 2020 democratic contest that looks a lot different this afternoon. to quote "the washington post," democratic race scrambled. day two of the democratic presidential debates found the front-runner facing friendly fire. joe biden forced to defend everything from his age to his record on race. perhaps the most consequential moment of the debate, an issue
that strikes at the heart of concerns of democrats' most reliable voters, blacks, and delivered by the senator from california kamala harris. >> it was hurtful to hear you talk about the representations of two united states senators who built their representations and career on the segregation of race in this country. and it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose busing. there was a little girl in california to who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bused to school every day, and that little girl was me. >> that's a mischaracterization of my position across the board. i did not praise racists. i was a public defender. i didn't become a prosecutor. i came out and left a good law firm to become a public defender when, in fact, my city was in
flames of the assassination of dr. king. >> for the first time, standing on a stage along with three of the highest polling contenders harris made it clear she's capable of taking the fight to her immediate competition and ultimately to president trump. also evidence in round two, from almost every person on that stage, was the democratic party's leftward pivot. >> a lot of you have been talking tonight about these government health care plans that you've proposed in one form or another. this is a show-of-hands question and hold them up so people can see. raise your hand if your government plan would provide coverage for undocumented immigrants. >> many people watching at home have health insurance through their employer. who would abolish their private health insurance in favor of a
government-run plan? >> on the issues of health care and immigration, the candidates leaning left as msnbc's first read puts it, most democrats still loaf obama, but their top 2020 presidential candidates for the most part have policies that go well beyond what the 44th president ever proposed. our big question we're asking today, how is the democratic political world different after the first debates? joining me, nbc news correspondent mike memory, senior director of progressive programming at sirius xm, maxwell. spokesperson for justice democrats, wally cha heed and msnbc political analyst susan del percio. so much to get to. we're waiting to hear from joe biden so stand by for that. ser lena, david fromme writes this in atlantic today. the big doubt about biden, can he cope with the ferocious malignancy that is donald trump.
can he meet and master the obscenity of it all? last night biden shows that the answer is probably no. fair assessment? >> yes. i think he looked a little shaky. i've never seen a presidential candidate say, is my time up? >> well, some people were actually using that in another sense, like is my time up as a politician. >> but to quit before the time was up was a moment in which it was clear he was stumbling, trying to find an explanation which scenes odd considering the fact that this has been a week-long discussion post his comments about his relationships with segregationists. i think what this demonstrates is really that the core conversation that democrats are having, and i think as a country we should be having, what is the role of the federal government in protecting our civil liberties and civil rights. the conversation and debate they were having is the fact that you can't leave it to local governments, u can't leave it to the states and states rights.
what happens is some states will be like, well, we like it the way it is. we want to keep it segregated or keep it the way it was in the good old days. that is not fair for all americans. i think that dynamic showed there's a generational divide but also a racial divide that we still have to work on. >> how do you see that generational and racial divide? >> i was shocked by joe biden's response to kamala harris. i was moved to tears. >> i'm going interrupt you. here is joe biden for the first time since the debates. >> -- 30 seconds to 60 seconds on the campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime committed to civil rights. i want to be absolutely clear about my record and position on racial justice including busing. i never, never, ever opposed voluntary busing. as a program, that senator harris participated in and it made a difference in her life.
i did support federal action to address root causes of segregation in our schools and communities, including taking on the banks and red-lining and trying to change the way in which neighborhoods were segrega segregated. i've always been in favor of using federal authority to overcome state initiated segregation. i cast a deciding vote in 1974 against an amendment called the gurney amendment which would have band the right of the federal courts to be able to use busing as a remedy. you might guess in the middle of the most extensive busing order in my city and state, it wasn't what you'd call the most popular vote in the country at the time. reverend jackson, we spent a lot of time working together over the years on a lot of issues that matter. i know and you know, i fought my heart out to ensure that civil rights and voting rights, equal rights are enforced everywhere. these rights are not up to the states to decide. they're our federal government's duty to decide. it's a constitutional question
to protect the civil rights of every single american. that's always been my position. so that's why i ran for federal office in the first place. as reverend jackson may be one of the few people that knows, my city was the only city after dr. king was assassinated that was almost burned to the ground, 20% of it. the only city in the united states of america since reconstruction that was occupied by the national guard withdrawn bayonets on almost every corner for ten months. i came home from law school that year and i had two political heroes, dr. king and bobby kennedy. they were both assassinated the year i graduated. i came home and i had a job with one of the oldest law firms in the state, a prestigious firm. after five months i decided i couldn't do it. i ended up leaving and becoming a public defender. when i was elected, one of the first things i did was to go on a committee to try to strengthen the voting rights act.
i co-sponsored the equal rights amendment. i supported making the equity act law, and the law of the land today. i voted for the civil rights act of 1990 to ban employment discrimination. i wrote the provision in the law that allows the attorney general to pursue cases involving, quote, a pattern or practice of conduct by law enforcement officers in violation of constitutional -- of federal rights. i wrote that law and i used that power during the obama-biden administration. our department of justice investigated discrimination and abuse including ferguson. we worked like the devil to make sure you should not allow police departments to buy excess military vehicles like up armored humvees and personnel carrier. you don't go into a neighborhood and police going in an up armored hum veep or personnel carrier. our criminal justice reforms reduced the federal population
by 38,000 people. ladies and gentlemen, in the obama-biden administration we commuted more sentences than the president did, than the 13 previous presidents combined. we passed the support -- [ applause ] >> by the way, with all due respect i say to chicagoan and everyone, my president gets much too little credit for all he did. he was one of the great presidents of the united states of america. i'm tired of hearing about what he didn't do. this man had a backbone like a ram rod. he had a backbone like a ram rod. you want to know what a man or woman is made of, watch them under incredible pressure. he got elected as we were about to fall off a cliff. we went out and we lad had to pass an act that was the recovery act, $800 billion. he loved in the state of the
union and turned and surprised me. he didn't tell me. he said sheriff joe is going to enforce the act. thanks a lot, mr. president. $800 billion. we did it with less than 2% of waste, fraud or abuse in that act. here is what he did. everything that landed on his desk, i watched him, i watched him. i sat with him every single morning, and i watched him. for hundreds of hours in the so-called -- the situation was not where wolf blitzer lives, the real situation room. i watched him and i want to tell you, chicago, you had a great, great man out here and he's still a great man and he still has a lot to offer. [ applause ] >> in office we passed the decision to break the school to prison pipeline. folks, the discussion in this race today shouldn't be about
the past. we should be talking about how we can do better, how we can move for washed, give every child in america the opportunity for success stories. these aren't somebody else's children, they're our children. they're all our children. not a joke. they're all our children. they're the kite strings that lift our national ambitions aloft. we have to make people realize what you're doing. what you're doing is, every single child in america has enormous potential, every single child had enormous potential. it means you have to have good schools in every neighborhood. no chilled's fd's future should decided by their zip code. we're going to increase teachers' pay. we're going to make pre-k a requirement across the board. ladies and gentlemen, these teachers, they walk into school every day, like my wife -- she taught in the public school
system and now at community college. she's never stopped teaching, the only person i know with a full-time job teaching 15 credits a semester. by the way, i'm known as jill biden's husband, and i'm proud of that. i earned it. i had to ask her five times to marry before before she'd do it. i don't know how that happened. thank you, lord. look, those of you who are teachers in here, you know you're expected to teach kids to read, write, add and subtract. guess what? kids come to school with burdens and problems. too if psychologists, too few social workers, too few people in there doing what needs to be done to give kids a chance. we're going to do that under my proposal. look, we're going to reinstate the policies pushed during our administration, to finish the work of desegregating our
schools because we have a national interest in creating diverse school bodies. that's what i believe. we have to make sure that we're moving closer to the idea of america's founding. we all learned in school, we hold these truths self-evident that all men and women are created equal. we the people, we've never lived up to that. this is the 400th anniversary of the first african-american being brought to the shores of the united states enslaved. that's the original sin of this nation. but we've never talked away from it either. we've never walked away from the expectation. all of you in the room have never walked away from it. look, there's only one president i know that's actually deliberately walked away from it, and that is donald trump. not a joke. think about this. i don't know about you, jess, but i never thought that after all the progress had been made
i'd see people marching out of fields, carrying torching, contorted faces, anger and hate accompanied by white supremacists, the ku klux klan, met by decent honorable people that say we don't hate here. what happened? a clash ensued, a young woman died. what did he say? when asked about it he said -- no president has ever said this -- there are very fine people in both groups. he has yet to apologize or criticize the ku klux klan or the white supremacists. look, we have a president who promotes hate and division, that's encouraged the poison of white supremacy. our children are watching. barack was the president, our kids not only could, but did look up to him.
look, what presidents say matters. it matters. and by the way, when we stay silent, our silence is complicity. that's what i learned from my dad, your silence is complicity. you know, i promise you, if i get elected president, i will be a president who stands against racism, forces inclusions and tolerance everywhere in our societies and institutions and our voting booths, and in our hearts, it matters what we say. since we're at a labor luncheon, it's important to stand by and start by recognizing black, hispanic, asian-american workers and native american workers and the communities of color all across the nation that have driven the labor movements from the beginning as you spoke about, mr. president, from a moment ago. from the atlanta washroom women's strike in 1880 to the
delenor strike in 1960s, from bill lucy and chicago's own abby wide and jacqueline vaughn. black and brown power have always been an integral part of phiing for the right to organ e organize, demanding equal pay, fair treatment. basic worker's protection. as my dad would say, some dignity. taking on the fight of all workers, from farm workers to domestic workers, to tearing down systematic graces along the way, we owe them. we owe them big. we owe you. if i'm elected president, it want you to know labor will have an absolute full partner in the white house and i think labor knows that from me. folks, a lot has changed very badly since we're out of office.
this president and some members of the corporate community believe that -- i want to make it clear to them, wall street did not build america. stockbrokers and hedge fund managers did not build this country. you built this country, the great american middle class. the unions built the middle class. that's why it exists. we need to rebuild it. this time we have to bring everybody along. no matter, their race, gender,egender, ethnici ethnicity, who they love, where they live or whether they have a disability. my dad had an expression, a job is about a lot more than a paycheck. he said it's about your difficult dignity. it's about being able to look your child in the eye and say, honey, it's going to be okay. and mean it. too few people, as been referenced today, too few people think they can say that anymore.
a vast majority for the first time in about 80 years, vast majority of middle class people are shrinking. they no longer believe their children will have the responsibility. mr. president, you talked about how your dad persisted and changed things. today's corporate culture and this administration, they don't care about your dignity. instead of investing back into our workers and record profits, record profits, instead of investing back in research and development to create more opportunities, corporate profits are going to pay dividends to shareholders and block buster executive compensation. ladies and gentlemen, they're squeezing the life out of workers today. by the way, making it harder to meet very basic needs, stripping you of your personal dignity along the way. there's long been a war on labor unions. as pointed out today, mr. chairman, you all are coming back. here is the deal, there's been another war going on that hadn't been noticed very much on the ability of individuals to be
able to bargain for their self-worth. 40% of workers today have to sign a non-compete agreement. it's one thing to have access to secrets of a great technical organization, you sign i won't compete. i have a business, i'm going to sell, not going to open up next door when i sell it to you. a significant portion of these people are hourly workers. up until i started hollering about this, if you worked for jimmy john's you had to sign a non-compete to not walk across town and get ten cents more from mcdonald's? what's this all about? one purpose, to hold down the individu ability of individuals to bargain for their own self-worth. too many companies classify their workers as managers. when labor fought to make sure you're an hourly worker, you had to be paid overtime. what do they do? if you're the person stacking
spaghetti cans on top of a shelf in a supermarket but you control the person who runs the forklift to bring it out, they say you're now a manager. ladies and gentlemen, it costs more than 4 million hourly workers $1.2 billion last year. where did it go? it went back into the pocket of corporate america, back into the job creators. since when the auto workers in my state made all the ables that are gone, they're gone now. since when were they not job creators? today the only people, mr. chairman, they think are job creators are stockholders. it's ridiculous. speaking of overtime, it is long past time we have aa $15 federal minimum wage. long past time. folks, it really is.
we're getting it done around the country. folks, we need to build an economy that rewards work, not just wages -- not just wealth. wages have to be rewarded, wages. you realize that people who were multimillionaires who pay only capital gains, they pay a lower tax rate than any of you all do? look, if i'm elected president, i will immediately repeal the tax cuts from the super wealthy in this trump administration. we have $1.6 trillion in loopholes that exist in the law now, $1.6 trillion. you can't justify the vast majority of that. so folks, look, what i'm going to do is use the money to invest in america's future. there's an incredibly long list of policies that don't have time, nor do we have the inclination to listen to me go through. let me tell you something, we need an inclusive economy, from
better access to capital for black-owned small businesses to reducing the decline in black home ownership, to making sure homes in black communities are valued fairly. you realize the same home -- i know you do -- same home in a predominantly black neighborhood, same exact home and one in an overwhelmingly white neighborhood, in the black neighborhood it's valued as significantly less, limiting your ability to borrow against it. guess what? you pay a higher insurance rate, too, for it. we need to reform the criminal justice system, make sure black mothers feel confident when they son their son out on the street, that he's going to be safe. we've got to recognize that kid wearing the hoodie may very well maybe the next poleet laureate. there have too many black men and women in prison. we need to pass -- i met with
bobby scott. you know bobby well. just met with bobby scott if virginia, the safe justice act. it needs to be passed. he acknowledged we need to do more. no more minimum mandatory prison sentences, period. the end of private prisons as barack and i talked about. funding. the original law i wrote, drug courts, at least $400 million a year, bail reform. no one should be in jail because they don't have the money to pay their jail. no juveniles in adult prisons. mandatory treatment, not jail for those who are affected by and struggling with addiction. it makes knno sense to put peop in jail. put them in jail and put them through treatment. automatically expunge marijuana convictions. and finally do what i've been trying to do for 15 years, end
the crack powder cocaine disparity, it's one to one, no different. too many african-americans put in jail for it. prisons, what i don't get and we have to make the case, if you make it to ordinary people they figure it out. in prison, you should receive an education, not how to be a better criminal, but learn how to read and write. there should be job programs in there. we should be training people. we should be training them. automatic restoration of their rights once their sentence is served, including all rights to go to school, pell grants. not only a right to vote, not only a right to participate, it's overwhelming the interest of the kbrats of america and every citizen, black or white or hispanic, that you reeducate people, give them a chance. folks, look, we can do all these things and so much more. we have to start by uniting the country. i know i get criticized for
saying we can unite the country. ladies and gentlemen, i refuse to accept the status quo, status co-of the miserable, ugly politics we have to do, guarantees we'll continue to do the same, it guarantees it. we can do it without ever compromising on our principles. you know, i know how the labor leader's movement has moved form decades. that's how we're going to win in 2020. we're going to win together when we defeat donald trump. fol folks, i've never been more optimistic about america's future and i mean it. i mean it. excuse me for quoting an irish poet. my colleagues always kid me. seamus haney wrote a poem about the suppression of catholics in ireland. he wrote a poem and said we're
taught never to hope on this side of the grave, but then once in a life time that tidal wave of justice rises up and hope and history win. folks, we're in a position now where the american people have seen the very dark side of america. every generation is saying enough. we have a chance, a real chance. we have a chance that we stand up and remember who we are. this is the united states of america. there's nothing we've not been able to do if we're united in it. you know all those lines everybody remembers from john kennedy's speeches about going to the moon? he said this is a challenge we are willing to accept. the line i love most, he said we are willing -- unwilling to postpone. we're unwilling to postpone. i am unwilling to postpone any
longer to deal with the incredible opportunities we have. so ladies and gentlemen, rehave to remember who we are. pick your heads up, work together. god bless you all and may god protect our troops. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> that is the vice president and vice presidential candidate joe biden at the rainbow push coalition. after a lot of controversy last night about his statements on busing and his exchange with kamala harris on race and a immigration. he said you can't explain in 30 or 60 seconds, can't do justice to a lifetime of a civil rights record. he talked a lot about his connection with barack obama, and he said this shouldn't be about the past. it should be about moving forward. yet at the same time, as you were pointing out, as we were discussing this, he talked about
jesse jackson. jesse jackson has said we stand on different sides of history, he shouldn't have brought about state and local municipalities rejecting federal law. kamala harris said, look, all he has to do is say i was wrong about busing and i'll drop it. that's not what we heard there. i think there is a question about, and we've seen this a lot of times, is this something that the vast number of american people are going to vote on or make a decision on. what did you make of what you just heard from vice president biden? >> there's two things. i was beginning to say last night lots of people i know were visibly moved to tears. >> there was a little girl in california who was bused to school, that little girl was me. >> a powerful courageous statement to stand up to someone like joe biden and say that. his response today and yesterday shows absolutely no emotional connection to how lots of people
felt about his remarks. that's where he appears to be doubling down and is angry and resentful that he's being questioned about this stuff. on many issues joe biden has been on the wrong side of history. look at the iraq war, the anita hill hearings, the bankruptcy bill with the credit card companies, the crime bill in 1994. constitutionally when there's pressure from conservatives to bend on progressive issues, he bends. that's what jesse jackson is calling out. when it comes to some of the most important leadership questions in our era, the issues i just named, he's actually been on the wrong side of history and made people's lives worse. he's being held accountable for it for the first time. he wants to say his election, his candidacy is a referendum on the obama presidency, but it's not. it's about joe biden. >> clearly, susan, this is a very important conversation, a conversation, the kind of depth and i think the level of emotion
and historical importance that needs to be had right now. having said that, is this something that is going to stick q him, is going to be a problem for him. where do you see this conversation? >> the way things are trending now, yes. not this issue -- this exact iss issue, but so many other things. you named about six items that biden did not want to apologize for. it started before he was going to announce with anita hill. he was told by the world, don't go on an apology tour. he's constantly explaining things. the troushl i have with the explanation, it's all the past. he doesn't talk about what he has done in the last few years or what he wants to do in the future. i think he needs to bring forward some really good original thought. it's his. like zerlina said, makes it uniquely biden. he's not doing that. he just seems to be stumbling
around out there. that's the bigger problem. he is not doing campaign events. he kept saying we're prepping, we're prepping. what the heck is he doing when he's prepping? i didn't see any proof that he was out there -- being out there prepping away for the last three weeks. >> one thing you did see at the debate was how well prepared kamala harris was on every single issue. joining me deputy campaign manager and communications director for the biden campaign, kate bedingfield. i appreciate you joining us. i want to say again, while many members of the african-american community, members of the congressional black caucus who remain strong supporters of joe biden, there is concern about the conversation that went on last night. and so i want to be clear about what jesse jackson said. he said on state's rights we've been on different sides of history. kamala harris last night was right when she challenged states rights as a way of addressing an
issue. she has said, just have him come and say i was on the wrong side of the issue of busing and i'll drop it. is what we just heard from joe biden where he's going to be throughout this? >> i think you clearly heard him state his position, of course he believes the federal government should play a critical role in protecting civil rights. he was responsible for a 25-year extension of the voting rights act, supports the equal rights amendment, believes he should pass the act now. his entire career he's been focused on protecting civil rights. i think the other important thing here which you heard him get at a little by, but which i want to say clearly, i think there has been an effort to conflict desegregation and busing. that could not be a more inaccurate representation. vice president biden has never been on the wrong side of
desegregating our schools. he always believed that busing wasn't the right remedy in delaware, but he focused on the core root causes, things like reworking school districts to ensure minority students were able to access good schools, taking the banks on on red-lining, to ensure that african-american and minority families were able to purchase homes in integrated neighborhoods. >> i understand, kate. and he has gone over and over and i know he feels very strongly about this support. but he doesn't seem to understand that prominent african-americans, a woman running for president, jesse jackson who once ran for president himself, are saying he's the one who doesn't get it. he's the one who is on the wrong side of this issue. >> of course he does. you heard him say he heard senator harris. >> but he doesn't think he's wrong. he didn't say i was on the wrong side of this.
>> right. because busing was a remedy at the time many were saying -- many in the african-american community were saying it e's not the way to integrate schools. if we had an honest discussion about the impacts of busing, there are a lot of people who would say it hasn't been the best remedy to integrate schools. i think the most important thing here is, what you hear from him and what you heard from him just now as we're watching is a commitment to civil viets across the board, both in his career, but also as president of the united states, that he's somebody who -- he's put forward an education plan that would extend the obama-biden department of education guidance on integrating schools, provide universal pre-k 3 and pre-k 4 to make sure kids have the foundation they need to get started in life regardless of their zip code. i don't think who knows joe biden, knows his character, knows his heart thinks he hasn't been an advocate on civil
rights. >> let me ask you a bigger picture question about last night. his debate performance last night did not get the best review. politico, the front-runner seemed to shrink on the crowded stage coming off as tired in his manner, soggy in his words and argument in ways some ways reinforced the criticism. "the new york times" called it halting and meandering. "washington post," he showed how fragile his lead has become. he did not go to the swpin room where almost every other candidate went. how does joe biden feel he did last night? >> i'm not sure voters would agree with that assessment. we had one of our best hours of fund-raising since our rally in philadelphia. i understand the press' job is to analyze. i think he made his case directly to the american people. >> how does he feel he did? >> very well.
he had a great night. he felt like he had the opportunity to make his case directly. you heard particularly a heartfelt answer from him on health care and his case for why he has a personal conviction athen suring that every family in this country has access to health care. i think he was able to -- we had a goal going into the debate which was to not get engaged in a back and forth with the other candidates but to make his case and draw a clear contrast against donald trump. >> it was a much calmer night the first night. he definitely did get engaged. were you surprised by the way the issues were raised with him snm. >> not at all. he is the front-runner. of course he was going to get some attacks. again, his aim was to stay on his message. i think he did that. so, no, i think other candidates are going to choose to use their time on the national stage the way they want. if they want to use that time to
make the campaign about joe biden, we'll welcome the opportunity for joe biden to talk about his record on civil rights and the things he would do if office in the he's elected president. >> when you said he had one of the best fund-raising nights after the debate, you want to tell us how much money was raised last night or in the 24 hours since the debate? >> i don't, i appreciate you asking. we did have one of the beflt fund-raising hours we've had. we're coming up on the end of the quarter. we'll be sharing those numbers after the quarter ends. >> kate bedingfield, appreciate your time. i want to bring in california democratic congresswoman katie hill. let me ask you first, did you have a chance to listen to what vice president biden had to say? he said, look, it's 30 and 60 seconds isn't enough to encapsulate a lifetime. he felt he was misrepresented, that he never, ever opposed voluntary busing. it shouldn't be about the past, it would be about moving forward. you and i were together in the
early days of your campaign, unexpectedly successful campaign. you're very much a forward-looking person. is there a conversation democrats need to be having now which obviously joe biden thinks is looking backwards. what do you make of what you just heard from him? >> i think the reason that people are having this conversation, we're sort of at a moment in history where we're looking back at the way things have been approached and recognizing that we were wrong on a lot of issues. i think that's why you've seen so many women who have stepped up and are running, that's why equality is coming up in a way it hasn't before. i think donald trump being elected as president and what has happened over the course of this administration has forced us to look at that record. when kamala harris -- senator harris is bringing this issue up around busing and is asking vice president biden to look back at how he approached that issue in relation to the remarks he made about those senators who are
absolute segregationists, it's a matter of reflection that says, okay, at this point in history, this is where i stood. now looking back i don't believe i was right. i think that's okay. you should be able to say here is the reason i felt this way before, but in the context of history, context of what we know now, this is what i believe and moving forward, this is how i will look eight. >> i think i can sense this. your candidate had a good night, very good night. congratulations on that. there is one area where there seems to be confusion. stick with me as i ask you this question about last night. during the debate when she was asked about her own health care coverage, she seemed to support giving up private insurance in exchange for a government-run plan. >> who hear would abolish they private health insurance in favor of a government-run plan?
>> she raised her hand, perhaps due to what she suggested might be ambiguity in the plan. she clarified she supports some supplemental private plans. >> do you support ultimately a path towards a medicare for all system or do you believe there should be exceptions where people can opt into different parts of insurance -- >> medicare for all -- my vision of medicare for all includes private insurance where people can have supplemental insurance. >> earlier today on "morning joe" she indicated she would not support the elimination of private insurance. >> you've been asked and clarified this question a couple of times over the course of the campaign. so once and for all, do you believe that private insurance should be eliminated in this country? >> no. >> this is at least the second time that kamala harris has seemingly supported it, then walked it back, the elimination of private insurance. >> i believe it will totally eliminate private insurance.
so for people out there who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it? >> well, listen, the idea is everyone gets access to medical care. you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all the delay that may require. who has not had the situation where you have to wait for approval and the doctor says i don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this? let's eliminate all that. let's move on. >> will you support the bernie sanders bill -- >> i support medicare for all. i need to clear up what happened on that stage. it's in the context of let's get rid of all the bureaucracy. >> not the insurance companies? >> no, that's not what i meant. >> congressman, can you clarify where she stands on the issue of private insurance? >> i will, as far as i can speak for anybody. i believe her position is very similar to mine. she believes in medicare for all but there is a place for private
insurance. i think the medicare for all approach is one where everyone has coverage, and that's so, so critical, but there is a role for supplemental private insurance. i think the conversation around health care in general and the best approach to ensuring that every single person is able to get the health care they need and deserve and we're approaching it as health care as a right, not a privilege, this is the debate we need to be having. and i think it's really exciting that we are so much further along in this process, that the presidential candidates overwhelmingly believe that this is the -- that health care is a right and we no longer should be considering whether or not some people are left out of the system. so i listened to the way that the question was asked. it does sound would you abolish your private insurance in favor of a medicare for all. i think that was pretty unclear. but, yeah, to me this is an issue where we are broadly in consensus that every single person needs to have that kind
of health care coverage because people are truly making horrible decisions about whether to pay their rent or pay their medical bills. i had a woman in tears telling me about how she has cancer and she can't afford her medication because she's paying for something for her grandkids. i thought about it. i was like whatever solution we come to, this woman is going to be dead before we're able to do that. that's a horrible feeling to have. so the urgency is there and i'm so proud to support senator harris because i know she's going to fight for all of us. >> let me ask you one more question because we know what all democrats say their number one thing is, they want a nominee who can beat donald trump. the conservatives were down right giddy because people like kamala harris endorsed free health care for immigrants, decriminalizing border crossings. donald trump immediately tweeted, sort of game over. do you think that the democrats with these kinds of positions,
frankly, gave some ammunition to donald trump or are going to leave more moderate democrats or independents home? >> well, listen, i think a lot of it is how you talk about the issue of immigration. >> those are pretty specific policies. this isn't about how you talk about it. there was a very direct question. if somebody comes over the border, should that be a crime? what about -- >> and i don't think it should be. i don't think most people -- most people overwhelmingly and even the conservatives i talk to, people who have typically been conservative. when you say swhen somebody is coming to america because they feel like they're leaving their country in desperation and want hope and an opportunity in our country just like almost all of our forefathers have, they want to work and pay their taxes. people believe they should have the opportunity to become citizens. i don't think that the vast majority of people -- in fact polling supports this. >> which is different than what a lot of people might interpret from the question that was asked last night which is essentially open borders.
that's how it's being interpreted, particularly in the conservative media. >> of course they're going to interpret it that way. that's not who we're talking about voting in this. they're going to go for trump no matter what, and that's fine. we're talking about the democrats who are going to vote for democrats and what i would say is about 20% of people who are somewhere in the middle and really being able to make the case these are our american values, these are the beliefs that we share. of course that means strong border security. it also means for people coming here looking for a better life, that is what we were founded on. we need to find a way of aksd dating that. that is not at all contrary to the security we're trying to accomplish for our own people. >> congresswoman katie hill, a surrogate for kamala harris, thank you so much. good to see you. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> you were shaking your head as she was giving that answer. >> as someone who does not support donald trump and does not want to see him re-elected, i listened to that debate and i
said do something here. give me a little something. it can't go this far left. when i heard that argument that was just made by the congresswoman, she was having it both ways. there is a difference between having it be illegal to come into this country and people being able to come into this country, be processed and go through a process to become a citizen. that's more or less what she said. that's not happening now because of donald trump's horrid policies. let me say, what's going on at the border is completely unacceptab unacceptable. then adding to that that health care will be given to anyone who is in this country illegally is very hard to see how that plays with -- in the suburbs, the health care issue, and when it comes to medicaid for all, it's hard to see how that plays with union workers who like their health care plan. those are the two areas that got donald trump elected.
so what i saw come out of that debate shows me that donald trump, i thought, could not win. with these policies it gives him a path to winning, unfortunately. >> let me go back to joe biden. it's clear if you listen to kate bedingfield, they absolutely feel this is unfair. he's not going to change his position. so let me back up and ask you what you thought, the combination of what he said and she said he thought he had a good night last night. >> they're going have to apologize. i think it's alarming that all the people who are critical of him right now happen to be people of color, and they're defending themselves. i'm not criticizing kate because she's a white woman and saying she can't speak on these issues, but i think we need to all take a step back and listen to people of color who are saying they were hurt by the exchange when he's talking about segregationists. he needs to stop being defensive about it. no one is calling him a racist
and saying he didn't do all this great work on civil rights issues. he has this flag that will come up and be a bigger problem because he can't address this one which is self-inflicted. when we get to the 1990 crime bill, we had to defend as a member of the hillary clinton campaign. hillary clinton supp sported the crime bill when she was first lady of the united states. she was not in government. didn't write on it. joe biden wrote it. joe biden is going to have to come up with better answers to speak to the communities he's going to need to win the nomination. i don't think what he said or what she said is sufficient to get him out of this problem. >> not going to be the final word. let's go to mike who has been covering joe biden. i'm sure -- obviously you heard what he had to say, and what kate had to say as well. a lot of the attention last night went to olivia nunce who
said she was talking to people inside the biden campaign. i don't know if we have that tweet and can put it up. basically they were freaking out, a source close to the biden staff is freaking out about his poor performance tonight. that certainly is not what we just heard from his campaign staff. tell us what you're hearing and how concerned are they about kamala harris and about this issue in general? >> chris, the conversations i've been having with biden campaign advisers are much what we just heard from kate bedingfield. there is a divide, some of those staffers with him for decades and also those who worked with him in the vice president's office and some of the new staff, especially the younger staff they brought on board more recently. these are staffers who thought they were joining the campaign of the front-runner and weren't as familiar with joe biden, his speaking style, performance on the trail and maybe they thought they were getting into a different campaign than the one we saw here. it's interesting, will talking
to voters at this vent. some are saying this is not a disqualifying moment at all in terms of the what they saw in the back and forth. one voters said, i hope this was a wake-up call for joe biden, that he knows he can't take this for granted. i think what we from the vice president at his event here was somebody who very much did receive a wake-up call. this is a candidate now who recognizes that he does need to be a bit more forceful in speaking to his record. yes, he does think that 30 seconds wasn't enough on the debate stage last night to get into his record. but what was interesting, chris, is he was speaking with a teleprompter, adlibing at times as well. but i thought i heard from him answers that were scripted for him. you heard him say here today that this campaign should not be about the past. it should be about the future. that was something that biden advisers told me all week was exactly their plan when he was getting attacked which they knew was coming. so a bit of a new moment here, a bit of a wake-up call here for the vice president as he now has to pursue the future with a
little bit of doubts about his candidacy. >> i think you could also say that if 30 seconds wasn't enough, and we could agree that these are complicated issues, there is something called the spin room, and it was his decision not to go there and answer questions from the press. mike, thank you very much. zerlina, thank you for sticking around for basically the whole hour. we appreciate it. first test is over, but with the 2020 field bound to whittle down in the coming months and for those on the bubble, how do they stay in the picture? congresswoman tulsi gabbard will join me live, next. hi. maria ramirez! mom! maria! maria ramirez... mcdonald's is committing 150 million dollars in tuition assistance, education, and career advising programs... prof: maria ramirez mom and dad: maria ramirez!!!
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congresswoman and 2020 candidate tulsi gabbard. it's good to see you. maybe you got a few hours' sleep since the debate. >> just a couple. >> i know those are long nights. look, you've had 24 hours to digest, maybe read some of your reviews. you are heavily googled, which was one measure of what somebody who was at 1, 2% wants to have happen. we just heard a spokesperson for vice president biden say after the debate he had one of the strongest hours of fundraising, which is important, something you will need if you're going to make the september debates. can you tell us how you did in those hours after the debate? >> i don't have the up to date numbers. i know that we have had a surge of contributions, a surge of people coming up and signing up to join our campaign. look, it was a great opportunity for me to be able to introduce myself, to the voters all across this country, to share a little bit about my experience, my service as a soldier for over 16
years. my two deployments to the middle east and my service in congress on the foreign affairs, the armed services, the homeland security committees, and sharing with them why i am qualified to walk in on day one and fulfill that most important responsibility of commander in chief. >> look, and i think that that really was something that resonated with a lot of people and impressed a lot of people. but what do you say to folks who question, but is it that, is that all there is, she obviously has served her country well, and we thank you for that, but how does that qualify her for being president? >> once again the most important responsibility the president has is to serve as commander in chief. >> but by far, there are a whole host of very important issues that we face here, domestic issues like health care, education, infrastructure, climate change. and these are all issues that i have and will continue to talk about. but my focus on foreign policy is central to being able to address every one of these
domestic issues. that's one area where i was frankly disappointed that month none of the moderators asked the question related to the most existential threat that we face in this country. nuclear strategists are talking about how we are at a greater risk of nuclear war today than we ever have been before. and that's a serious thing that whomever wants to serve as president must address. given on day one you are handed that nuclear football. and the problem is that we've got a foreign policy establishment, too many politicians in washington. and, frankly a military industrial complex that have all been working to amp up tensions between the united states and other nuclear armed countries like russia and china putting us into this new cold war and arms race that is pushing us closer and closer to the brink of nuclear war. the change that i am seeking to bring about addresses this very specifically to de-escalate these tensions, to stop wasting
trillions of our taxpayer dollars on these wasteful regime change wars, this new cold war and arms race, and take those dollars and invest them in things like health care for all, making sure we've got clean air to breathe and clean water to drink, making sure that we are building a strong green economy with good-paying jobs, investing in infrastructure. cannot separate these issues. and unless we deal with pulling back, walking away from the nuclear disaster, nothing else is going to matter. we are talking about total and utter destruction. that is truly what's at stake here. >> we only have 20 seconds left, but your sister got a lot of attention because she was tweeting and saying my sister's not getting enough time, and she obviously was not happy about that. in the last 15 seconds, what's your plan between now and september to make sure you make those debates? >> first of all to my sister, she's my little sister, i love her, she's a u.s. martial. i am going to continue to focus
on delivering that message to the american people, why i'm asking to serve them and to stand up and fight for them as their president commander in chief. >> tulsi gabbard, thank you so much. we appreciate your time. good luck. >> thank you. and one more thing before we go on this day, 1969, new york city police triggered a nationwide civil rights movement at a place called "the stonewall in." a bar that was a ref yuq for the lgbtq community in a time where city laws made day bars illegal. it was a safe place. that changed in the early morning hours of june 28th when officers walked into raid it. but instead of bowing to their orders, patrons said no and battled back. what followed would open a country's eyes to the demonization of day people as they witnessed americans just like them being beaten, kicked, spit upon in the streets. that battle led to three more nights of violence. although police did crush the riots, the community was far
from defeated. they returned to stonewall a year later creating what would become the first pride parade. little did they know, it would be five decades before the nypd would apologize for what happened at stonewall. and little did they know that their bravery would be a step towards same-sex marriage becoming legal after the supreme court's 2015 ruling. so let's be clear today. the fight isn't over, far from it, with debates over baking wedding cakes, who can use what bathroom and who can fight for their country. but this weekend in new york, an estimated 4 million people will carry the torch marching for pride in the same streets where the fight began 50 years ago today. as one stonewall survivor put it, that night in some very deep way, we finally found our place in history, not as a dirty joke, not as a doctor's case study, not as a freak but as a people. and that wraps up this hour. i'm chris. ali velshi picks things up.
that's powerful. i had a conversation with a gentleman. and i said in 50 years some can say, wow, how far day rights have come. and he was saying we still don't -- african-american day people, trans people are still invisible and still face those jokes and are still freaks and are still studies and still the butt of people's discrimination. so on some levels, such speed for day rights and on a lot of levels a lot of work. >> on every level we have to take responsibility to make sure that we are continuing to move forward. >> thank you, friend. we will see you in a little while. good afternoon. joe biden says, quote, i want to be absolutely clear on my record. >> i heard and i listened to and i respect senator harris. but, you know, we all know that 30 seconds to 60 seconds on a campaign debate exchange can't do justice to a lifetime committed to civil rights. i want to be absolutely clear about