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more elaborate display. the blue angels will be flying and there will be a flight show they haven't had in the past. this is going to be a really major celebration and some people are going to love it and some people will not. we will have to see how that transpires. >> we will see how it goes. thank you both for being with me. the rachel maddow show starts now. >> thank you, my friend. much appreciated. happy to have you with us. this is alexander fleming born in scotland in 1881 who trained as a doctor and research scientist. in 1914 his career was interrupted when he went off to serve in world war i for the duration of the war. he returned back in 1918 where upon he became a professor at st. mary's medical school in london where he had done his own medical training. alexander fleming's research was
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about bacteria and viruss and vaccines and in 1928 in his lab at st. mary's, alexander fleming had a fortuitous and world changing encounter with dirty dishes. he had been working with a fairly nasty strain of staph bacteria in his lab when he found by accident that one of the culture plates he had been working with, i guess had been neglected or maybe somehow cross ton tam nate e contaminate and growing mold. that might be cause for regret. oh, no, you would be at least mildly grossed out and that would be cause for throwing it out or cleaning up the culture plate. what fleming noticed that day in 1928 and what ultimately changed the world and saved lives is on that culture plate in which he
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had been growing that staph bacteria, there was a splotch around that spot of mold. in that splotch spreading out from the edges of the mold, there was no bacteria. that meant it occurred to him that that mold was killing the bacteria. in that moment, alexander fleming asked the key question -- hey, what's in that mold? fleming ended up writing a paper about his score of and published in 1929 to not much acclaim and not much notice. but years later, almost a decade later, scientists working at a lab at the university of oxford came across alexander phleflemi paper. they discovered this discovery about the mold killing off the bacteria looked like it might be promising. they started to work on it.
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in 1939 and 1940 and 1941, they turned that into something promising indeed. the anti-bacterial substance that alexander fleming stumbled upon in that moldy dish a decade earlier was something he called penicillin. by 1941, those researchers at ofo oxford and they figured out how to turn it into a medical treatment and it was close to a miracle cure that could sftop al kinds of infections. think about what that meant at this particular time and place. english researchers developing this miracle medical cure in 1941. england had just gone to war against germany in 1939 and become the second world war. by 1941, things were not going awesome to say the least. this team of scientists at
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oxford had taken alexander fleming's discovery and produced something that could change everything. for the world at large in the long run, it could change everything. for the war in the short run, it could change everything, too. penicillin as a miracle cure for all kinds of infections, it wasn't exactly on par with the discovery of the atomic bomb, but the closest medical e85 lent at the time. if they could only figure out how to mass produce this miracle cure which the germans did not have, allied soldiers would have a huge new advantage in the war not in terms of the ability to kill the enemy, but the ability to survive their own wounds and their own battlefield illnesses. if they could only get this stuff made and distributed in quantity, this could absolutely be a game changer. but how could they do that?
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well, 78 years ago tomorrow on july 2nd, 1941, two scientists from that oxford lab flew across the atlantic to the united states, carrying a very, very very precious suitcase which contained a bunch of carefully wrapped glass vials of freeze dried penicillin and landed in the united states to see if here in the united states it could be mass produced into a medical treatment that could be used in the war effort. the reason they came here was because america had the know how and the capability to do it. in july of 1941, america was not yet in the war. the resources were there for not strained in the way the allied resources were fighting the war already. more importantly, america had the scientist can do capacity and acumen that the allies needed to get this crucially
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important job done. and so those oxford scientists flew over here and went to the u.s. government. they went to the best place in the world to try to pull off this big scientific leap. they went to the u.s. department of agriculture to the research lab of the agricultural research service at the usda. there they unpacked their freeze dried vials of this mold and they got to work figuring out how to devise a method for industrial scale production of this medical treatment they had just invent eed based on penicillin. the scientists got to work on it immediately. they tried a gozillion different things and ultimately in short order, they did it. they were using 10,000 gallon vats and obscure corn sugars and different temperature and humidity controls. by the time u.s. soldiers were joining the allied land invasion of europe on d-day, june of
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1944, part of what they had on their side in the war effort were tens of thousands of doses of penicillin. by 1945, british news reels were reporting on u.s. mass production of the most important medical advance of the war. >> industrial monument to the miracle drug. mass production penicillin plant of terre haute, indiana where the medicine is being manufactured wholesale. you see it processed by rapid fermation. it's dehydrated and each batch of 12,000 gallons use about 15,000 gallons of concentrated penicillin. >> scientists made it possible for america and there by the allies to mass produce penicillin in world war ii. scientists working for the usda. even that division, the
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agricultural research service still exists. it is still a world leading elite headquarters for all types of practical and consequential scientific research. if you are feeling a tremor in the plot here it's because as you might imagine, today cutting edge practical scientific research and analysis having to do with the natural world and how to grow things and agriculture at every scale in this day and age, that inevitably means talking about climate and climate change even if you are not talking about the causes, you are talking about coping and predicting it and mitigating it however you can even when that takes place within the u.s. federal government led by a president named donald j. trump. one of the big takeaways at the debate both substantively and
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stylistically was the degree to which the candidates wanted to be seen to be competing with each other in part on the basis of whose most serious about it and who is most aggressive on the need to address the issue of climate. they are fighting over who should be seen as having the best climate plan and the threats from climate climate change and the ability to get big things done. at the high level of american electoral politics for the first time, we are going to have a big contest for national leadership that centers on the issue of climate change and what we are supposed to do about it as a country. that is a landmark thing and that contest among the democrats is going to be fascinating to watch. they want to not only do something about it, but we get to see them all compete as to who can set themselves apart and connect the most with voters on the issue and prove the ability to get practical things done on that issue. that's happening in democratic
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electoral politics. simultaneously within the federal government led by donald trump, there is already super high level practical research and analysis happening at a world class level on how to predict and cope with and e meliorate climate change. that is happening at polices like usda are leading the world in that research. that is happening despite the best efforts of the trump administration to shut all of that down. politico rounded up findings from scientists at usda including from agricultural research service that developed the ability to mass produce penicillin in world war ii. scientists at that agency today have produced a whole litany of super consequential super practical stuff about climate change that the trump
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administration has been trying to ka bosh and ensure that the findings from scientists never get distribute and never get publicized. this is practical stuff. consequential stuff that scientists working for the federal government have figure the out and produced to a peer-reviewed level and ready to go. the trump administration has been trying to keep it all quiet. even if you are not a scientist or not particularly well versed in this field, you look at the subjects of this research and you can understand why it might be important to get this stuff out there. in april of last year, for example, a usda scientist looked at prairie grasses that are important for grazing cattle. as the level of carbon dioxide goes up in the atmosphere, that super charges the photo synthesis process and the practical consequences for the cows that eat those crasses is
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that the protein content drops. if you are involved in ranching or anything else that has to do with cattle production, learning that increased c02 and the hallmark of climate change decreases the protein content of what your kous are eating. the trump administration is covering it up. 2017. super practical findings for farmers dealing with nutrient run off and agricultural pollution in the mississippi delta. scientists study how farmers can make relatively simple very practical choices that can have a big impact on that. not rototilling their soil and planting cover crops. quantifying the effect steps like that can have. increased pollution and run off problems. last summer, a promising finding from usda scientists that coffee can be a sort of canary in the
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coal mine test subject for scientist who is are trying to monitor and anticipate how pest biology will change as level guess up. coffee is being affected by c02. scientists have been studying how coffee specifically might help when it comes to studying insects and weeds and growth patterns and other stuff that might change as levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere go up. then there is this one. even if this is not your field. step back and appreciate the biblical consequence of this research. arguably the most important food crop on planet earth is rice. more than 600 million people on earth get more than half of their calories or protein from rice on a daily basis. earlier this year, usda
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scientists came to a potentially earth-shaking conclusion about rice. they found that as carbon dioxide increases in the atmosphere, rice loses its vitamins. that means the crop that more than 600 million hume ans countn is going to get less nutritious as carbon dioxide levels rise. think about the consequences of that. trump administration buried that. they even tried to block outside scientists who worked at other institutions. scientist who is worked from other institutions with the usda scientists on that study, the trump administration tried to block their outside institutions from putting out any press releases or statements announcing these findings and wanted to make sure to keep them quiet. you are only dealing with potential starvation of 600 million people or massive changes in nutritional needs for 600 million people. why would anyone need to know
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about that? politico interviewed one scientist who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid the possibility of retaliation and he said why the hell is the u.s. who is the leader in scientific research, why are they ignoring this? it's not like this is something esoteric. this has dire consequences for the entire planet. you can only postpone reality for so long. i know everybody decries partisanship and the two parties on two planets. i know. there is only one earth and here on earth one, the partisan divide on this subject in particular and the different partisan experience right now of this subject in washington is nuts. here's the democrats right now. in a 20-way no holds barred
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full-scale wrestling match trying to appear to be the most aggressive and invested and the most knowledgeable and the most committed to taking climate change seriously and doing something about it. while the republican administration in washington oversees a world renowned incredibly capable and advanced scientists who are already working on the most practical stuff possible when it comes to dealing with climate change. peer-reviewed world class science which is already happening with u.s. taxpayers have already paid for and ready to be published and the trump administration is taking that stuff and actively shutting it down. refusing to release that research. as we have talked about a couple of times here on the show, the trump administration is also right now trying to dismantle a big chunk of the capacity at that pioneering agency.
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"the washington post" said it seems like it's going to happen within the next two weeks. the usda employees face a stark choice. move or be fired. scientists at usda were given a document with two blank boxes on it and told they needed to check one of the two boxes. option a, accept a forced transfer out of washington away from usda to a city where there are not even offices for them. no building to move them into. or option b, agree to be fired. for the crime of refusing to be moved halfway across the country for no reason. these are scientists who do analyses of global commodity production and trade and agriculture policies. these are the scientist who is look at the effects of climate change on agriculture. as the trump administration has clamped down on their work and now announced that hundreds of them will be relocated on zero notice on a mandatory basis to
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kansas city and if you don't move, you will be fired. they are warning that this is going to decimate the ranks of scientists at one of america's premier scientific institutions. these agency are going to lose 80, 90, or 100% of their scientists all at once. two weeks from today. in the resource and rural economics division, more than 90% of employees who study conservation and the environment and the economy may leave. the food economics division that studies food safety and pricing could reach as high as 89%. these scientists were told for the first time on june 13th that they were going to need to move their families immediately or quit. they were given one month to make the decision. they needed to tell the agency
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which it's going to be. move 1,000 miles on no notice with your family immediately or be fired. they were given one month to make the decision. the decision is due at 11:59 p.m. eastern time on monday july 15th, two weeks from today. there is no building or office to move these people into in kansas city. the agricultural and applied economics association thinks this move will come at a cost to taxpayers to 80 to $180 million. for that low price, we fire all of these scientists. congratulations. what else can we get you for that money? we have been covering this since the scientists have been sounding the alarm since the scientists were told all of a sudden out of nowhere, no public comment and no chance to go see the site. they need to uproot their families and move or get fired. we have been covering this and
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think there was an expectation from everybody who talked about it that the trump administration was going for it and trying this gambit using this forced relocation thing as a way to try to empty out this part of the scientific capacity of the u.s. government. there was some expectations we talked to about this story that the trump administration would be blocked from going ahead with this. i am here to tell you that it now looks like time is running out and it looks like they are going to do it unless something changes in sort order. the scientists are doing everything they can and then some. they themselves voted recently to form a union only by forming a union and making a formal demand as a newly unionized workforce that they get an agreement from to talk for the first time about this move to start negotiating about it for the first time. the agency told the scientists that they are happy to start negotiations and the discussions with them on july 16th.
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that's the day after all the scientists will be fired if they don't move. the day after is when they are willing to start talking about it. the other path here is that democrats in congress have been trying to block what the trump administration is doing here, but as "the washington post" reports today, you see in the had the line, democrats are running out of options to stop trump from doing this. the member of congress from the district of columbia, eleanor holmes norther is suggesting as a last act of desperation, they should go to court and sue to try to stop them from doing it. she is suggesting that maybe litigation is the only best last hope here. the other dynamic at work here is now a robustly joined democratic presidential campaign in which the biggest names in democratic politics in which these candidates are competing to see who can be the most effective on the issue of climate. that's happening right now.
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while the tip of the spear scientists working on the most practical imaginal challenges that come from climate change are all getting fired two weeks from today. that part of the u.s. government is essentially being shut down unless somebody can figure out a way to stop it. so it is this remarkable confluence of dynamics and events. climate change is important to democratic voters. climate change is important to young voters of all stripes. climate change seems big and overwhelming for something like humans can worry about it, but not do much about it. what can you do? we are talking about the scale of the earth. what can you do? here's a thing our government is doing right now over the next 14 days. to decimate the most advanced and practical climate science in the world and disassemble the government's ability to ever do it again. those scientists are going to be
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fired two weeks from today. the trump administration will either be stopped or they will not. if they are not stopped, this world leading capacity that we have built and paid for as american taxpayers for generations helped the allies win world war ii. that is capacity that will be really hard to ever get back, ever. after you fire hundreds of scientists all working at the top of their game. hundreds of them all ought once two weeks from today. tick tock. ay tick tock. utterfly! you know those butterflies aren't actually in the room? hey, that baker lady's on tv again. she's not a baker. she wears that apron to sell insurance. nobody knows why. she's the progressive insurance lady. they cover pets if your owner gets into a car accident. covers us with what? you got me. [ scoffs ] she's an insurance lady. and i suppose this baker sells insurance, too? progressive protects your pets like you do. you can see
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we have harrowing stories and images today from congressional visit to border patrol facilities in texas. a number of members of congress said they witnessed immigrants being held in what they describe as appalling conditions. this visit from members of congress came on the heels of reports in recent weeks about border patrol stations in clint, texas and mcallen, texas and other locations. lawyers visited the clint facility and reported that hundreds ever kids were in dismal conditions including kids
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being put in charge of caring for one another without the human kpft or the physical facilities to do so. this video was taken at one facility today by joaquin castro, the brother of presidential candidate julian castro. he and congressional colleagues spoke with several women who were being held in a small cell there. i see them sitting on the floor of the cell. the women told lawmakers many had been separated from their kids and had been denied showers and ability to bathe and denied medication after this visit today to the facilities. members of congress described what they had seen to the press. >> when we went into the cell, it was clear that the water was not running. there was a toilet, but there was no running water for people to drink. in fact, one of the women said that she was told by an agent to
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drink water out of the toilet. >> what we saw today was unconscionable. no child should ever be separated from their parent. no child should ever be taken from their family. no woman should ever be locked up in a pen when they have done no harm to another human being. >> but i want to talk about their parents. the mothers. the abuelas, the tias. the madres who wept openly in our arms, not even knowing our names. because of the trauma they are experiencing and because they don't know where their children are. >> members of congress outside of border patrol facilities in texas after visiting with immigrants detained inside. this evening the associated
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press obtained this video of an interview with the 12-year-old girl held for almost two weeks in a texas border patrol facility. nobody is supposed to be in a border patrol facility for longer than 72 hours and she was held for two weeks. a lawyer is working on the girl's case. the girl said she and her 6-year-old sister were taken from their aunt when they crossed the border last month. [speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language]
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[speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language]. >> that video of a 12-year-old girl held at the border patrol facility for two weeks. that was obtained by the associated press. jerry nadler is the high profile chairman with jurisdictions over a bunch of details involved
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here. thank you for coming in. i have to ask your reaction to what you heard from your house colleagues there and from these other reports that we had about the facilities on the border. obviously your committee has jurisdiction on the matter. >> we're do, but we don't control the agency. what we saw today was disgusting. when we were at the border a couple of months ago, although they didn't let us talk to the kids, we saw very disgusting conditions then. this is inhumane and criminal. there ought to be prosecutions of the agency heads and some of the people for child abuse. this is clearly child abuse and it violates a half dozen laws. >> do you think it should be pursued as federal prosecution or a matter of state law? >> well, probably both. probably both. >> in terms of what can be done, i know there was a lot of conflict and controversy within
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the democratic caucus as to whether or not the house bill which included restrictions on the way that the trump administration and the agencies can treat immigrants. whether that bill would supersede the senate bill that didn't include any of those restriction and ultimately the senate bill went forward and that was a source of controversy within the caucus. you can talk to us about that decision? >> i voted against the final bill because i didn't have enough guarantees in my opinion that the money would be used to give them proper medical and other attention. we didn't have enough guarantees that the trump administration would divert funds to more detention instead of better conditions. the money has been appropriated and ought to be used now quickly to make conditions better. and to end it. it's one thing to make the conditions better which is what the money is for. these kids should not be
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separated from their parents or relatives in the first place. that is unconscionable and not necessary legally. it's just more of the administration determining to torture people in order to be a deterrent for people coming over the border which they no longer admit was the case, but admitted it a few months ago. >> as we continue to get the ongoing reports of kids and families being held in appalling conditions and we continue to get reports about kids being separated from their parents, it feels like no level of criticism makes an impact. nothing makes a difference in terms of what the 2ru6trump administration does. they had an appalling report on the conditions in which immigrants are being held. there is another report describing even worse conditions and we have got these firsthand reports from the little girl and lawyer who is have been there and member who is have been there. none of that ever goes anywhere. the trump administration is not shamed by the reports nor are
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they acting to change anything. >> that's correct. just as the story with the scientists, they are destroying the government's ability to do science. let's put our heads in the ha s so we don't know what's happening. you can have lawsuits and the lawsuits might result in court orders to have better -- that's the only thing i can think of. for congress to pass laws, they have to be enforced. it takes months to pass laws at best. >> is it possible to impeach individual official who is are in charge of the agencies and hold their feet to the fire in the house? >> it is tech camly possible to impeach mid-level officials, but thattic tas a long time and that's not the answer here. >> i have a number of things i want to ask you about including the expected visit from robert
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the recommendations have just come in from the governor's charter school policy task force, confirming the need for increased accountability over how charter school dollars are spent. and giving local school districts more control in the authorization and review of charter schools. all reforms wisely included in bills being considered by lawmakers right now. so join parents, teachers and educators in supporting ab 1505 and ab 1507. please call your state senator today. congressman jerry nadler of new york, the chairman of the judiciary committee. thank you for being here. you have robert mueller to testify before your committee thanks to a subpoena in 16 days. i want to ask about the negotiations that led to that and what are the sort of terms that you set around the leading
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up to the subpoena that might give us an expectation of what the day might be like. >> the problem was that mueller didn't want to testify at all. he was happy to testify in command of our committee and the judiciary and intelligence committee and have a transcript released later, but not willing to testify in public. we thought it absolutely essential that he testify in public so people could see and hear it. that was what the negotiation was all about. the agreement reached is he will come in on the 17th and he will testify for about two to two and a half hours in front of the judiciary and then in front of the intelligence committee in public. then he will testify in private in front of the judiciary kand then in private. >> here will be a public and closed session with each? >> yes. the public testimony will be
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him. >> the closed testimony is still -- when i walked to congressman schiff about this last week, he suggested that mueller himself won't be there in the closed testimony and it will be staff instead. >> it's unclear. it may be his deputies. >> do you know how many it fwwi be? >> two one or two? >> which ones? >> i'm not going to say the names. >> i knew that, but i have to ask. imagine two or two and a half hours. you are going first. judiciary. you have him for the first part. how do you plan to approach that in terms of getting the most and the most critical information out of him? is this going to be questioning by you and the ranking member or by all the members? >> no, it's going to be by the members. in the normal order.
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we'll question him about this -- question about the report first of all. his report and his investigation led to 37 indictments. it led to the outlining of 10 instances of obstruction of justice by the president and led to the revelation of repeated instances of the president instructing people to lie to investigators and the public in order to cover up what he had done. this is rather important stuff. it has to be explored. we'll be going through all of that and we will ask him questions, i'm not going to list what the questions are, but we will be asking about the misleading and misrepresentation by the attorney general and the president and the attorney general have conducted a campaign of lies and misrepresentations and the president said they found no collusion and no obstruction. they did not find no collusion and no obstruction.
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that's a simple lie. he will have to clarify both of those. the attorney general misrepresented the report in public. mueller wrote a letter saying you misrepresented the report. we will have in which way was it misrepresented. there has been a campaign to lull the american people into thinking everything is fine when in fact that report shows repeated instances of obstruction of justice by the president and shows the russians attacked our election and that there were hundreds of contacts, up to 170 contacts between campaign officials and people representing the russian government that the campaign welcomed the help of the russian government in its attempt to swing the campaign to trump. all of that is in the report and has been lied about by the president and the attorney general. we have to correct the record and let the people hear so people can see and the american
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people request see what was going on. >> has there been or do you anticipate an effort by the justice department or white house to curtail his testimony talking about anything in particular? >> they are doing that to every other witness and we will be going to court on that shortly, but i will be surprised if they do it with mueller. he does not work for the justice department and i don't think he would stand for it. they have no legal right. with hope hicks and mcgahn and others, they have used this so-called claim of absolutely immunity. you may not talk about anything. hope hicks obeyed that with white house lawyers sitting there and telling her don't answer the question of where your desk was located and about anything. they have done it with mcgahn. there is clearly no legal right to do that. i don't think mueller would
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joining us here in studio is the former director for korea, japan and oceanic affairs and also a senior analyst on korean issues at the cia. nice to have you here. >> thanks for having me on. >> my basic layman's not subject matter expert perception of what happened here is that the north korean government and dictator got a big propaganda victory. chairman kim being seen as a peer and friend of the leader of the free world and the u.s. does not seem to have gotten anything from north korea. is that a fair assessment? >> we're got zero. it has been over a year since the singapore declaration historic meeting. we don't have even an understanding of what denuclearization means.
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we have a differing understanding. there is no agreed upon definition. we don't have a timeline or a definition of the program. we have nothing. we gave them this big propaganda coop for kim jong un. president trump said before obama has been begging to meet with north doreens. no, he has not. no u.s. president wentnorth -- north korea. we have not made any progress. >> break it down for somebody totally outside of this expertise. why has every previous president resisted those requests from the north korean government and why has no president ever stepped foot on north korean soil. >> you are legitimating kim jong un and the north korean leader. north korea, we don't talk about human rights, but we have to
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remember they are the greatest violator of human rights in the world. they are building a nuclear program and just had six nuclear tests. they tested ballistic missiles and posted threats to the region. you have to get something for the summit because it is legitimizing his rule and it is big propeganta for the kim family. we have not gotten anything out of that. >> what is the big impact. there is no question as to the kim family's grip on power. how does it help them? how does it enable them to have the victory they got from trump? >> domestically, it does strengthen his power further and internationally it does normalize him. nor north korea's goal is to get acceptance as a power like pakistan and india. we are normalizing him. it looks like the north korean leader is our peer. they are meeting and walking and
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talking. you are normalizing him internationally. that perception is very, very important for the north korean leader. >> in terms of what happens next, the president, part of what is unusual about the relationship between the united states and north korea in the trump era is that the president is so e fusive and praising him and giving him everything he wants. do you have in mind a worse case scenario in terms of what trump might give to them? >> di do. they spent 53 minutes ago and what did trump promise kim? he does want a deal with president trump because he thinks president trump is the best possible person to have a deal with. no u.s. president, future democrat or republican would put equities like a peace treaty or anything on the table for discussion. i think kim wants a deal with president trump. he thinks he will get the best
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deal with this particular president. >> a better shot with him than anybody else. >> former director for correa and japan and oceanic affairs. thank you for coming in. stay with us. affairs. thank you for coming in. stay with us (vo) parents have a way of imagining the worst... ...especially when your easily distracted teenager has the car. at subaru, we're taking on distracted driving [ping] with sensors that alert you when your eyes are off the road. the all-new subaru forester. the safest forester ever. my body is truly powerful. i have the power to lower my blood sugar and a1c. because i can still make my own insulin. and trulicity activates my body to release it like it's supposed to. trulicity is for people with type 2 diabetes. it's not insulin. i take it once a week.
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