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administration is doing so much aggressive lasting damage on these critically important areas. and placing former corporate lobbyists for the fossil fuel industry in charge of the regulatory apparatus. it has to end. >> here handed them an enormous weapon in 2020. thank you both. that's all in for this evening. rachel maddow starts with joy reed for rachel. >> good evening. have a great rest of the night. thanks to you all. rachel has the night off, but will be back tomorrow. i want to start with the story of courtney wild. she was 14 years old at the time she was living in florida. she was in middle school and captain of the cheerleading squad and played the trumpet. he had good grades and braces and when she was 14 years old, she was introduced to a man named jeffrey epstein. he is an incredibly wealthy
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multimillionaire who surrounded himself with powerful high profile people. his private airline has hosted high profile guests like bill clinton, prince andrew and various celebrities and donald trump described him as a friend. in 2005, florida police started investigating and what they turned up was horrifying. he was running an operation to molest and rape large numbers of girls. he was in his 50s and many victims were children. the fbi got involve and was able to identify dozens of girls who had been his victims. most were between 13 and 16 years old. some people think there could be hundreds of other victims out there. one of the alleged victims was courtney wild who was 14. he said he sexually abused her
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for years. it was spelled out in the "miami herald's" heroic reporting to prepare criminal charges for being a serial child sex offender. the indictment the fbi wrote up listing all of the heinous crimes was 53 pages long. 53 pages of stories like courtney wild's. they accused epstein of recruiting underage girls for sex across state lines. those are federal charges that could have sent him to prison for the rest of his life. instead a federal prosecutor named alex acosta prevented jeffrey epstein from being charged with any federal crimes and federal charges against accomplices, too. that man is in the president's cabinet. he is donald trump's labor secretary. back when that fbi investigation was going on, he was the u.s.
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attorney in southern florida. instead of changing jeffrey epstein with the 53 pages of sex crimes, alex accoosta made a de in a non-prosecution agreement which gave him immunity from all federal charges and he plead guilty to two state charges for prostitution as if the girls like courtney wild were prostitutes and not children being victimized by an accused child molester thanks to the sweet deal he got. he got to leave jail during the day to work in his office. since then he has gone back to living off his millions, jet setting all over the world. alex acosta agreed to do his deal in secret. crime victims have the right to be told when there are plea negotiation going on, but alex acosta did not notify the victims before he granted him
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that plea deal. epstein's lawyers asked acosta to keep the deal a secret and acosta agreed. courtney wild, one of the victim who is was kept in the dark about that deal, she sued the government alleging that alex acosta and his team broke the law by keeping secret from her and all the other victims the fact that they gave epstein this non-prosecution deal. she filed that naught 11 yelaws ago and it dragged on for over a decade. she bravely and courageously put her name on the record and told her story to the "miami herald." courtney wild did not give up and drop her case after all that time. eventually earlier this year a judge agreed with her, ruling that the current secretary of labor, alex acosta broke the law when he agreed to keep that deal a secret from his victims. and yet still even then, there was no justice for courtney wild
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and her fellow victims. alex acosta stayed labor secretary. jeffrey epstein stayed free. he could not be held accountable for crimes towards courtney wild and the dozens of other women like her with the non-prosecution agreement on the books in florida. in florida. over the weekend, federal prosecutors in new york city busted down the door of jeffrey epstein's mansion and arrested him at the airport after he landed in his private jet fresh off a vacation in france. this morning epstein was arraigned in federal court on federal sex trafficking charges in the state of new york. in this new indictment, they allege between 2002 and 2005 he abused dozens of underage girls in manhattan and palm beach. they are practically a mirror image written up more than a decade ago that were shelved by alex accost a. they cover the
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same period. the same kinds of lurid sex crimes against children. they are new charges about different allegations from the last time he was investigated in florida. the ones covered by the non-prosecution agreement which has been protecting him from being charged there. that agreement not to prosecute is only valid in southern florida where accoosta made the deal which left the field wide open for prosecutors in new york to conduct an investigation of their own into epstein's conduct in new york in their back yard which led to the brand-new charges today. prosecutors in new york do not think epstein should be set free with just a slap on the wrist. under this new indictment, he faces 45 years in prison. he is 66 years old. that means if he is found guilty in new york, he could spend the rest of his natural life behind bars. prosecutors seem to think they have enough evidence to put him
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there. they announced what they found when they busted through epstein's front door. documents, notes, messages including names and contact information for epstein's alleged victims and call records confirming his contact with them. with the victims. prosecutors say that evidence is consistent with victim recollections. further strengthening the evidence of conduct charged in the indictment. prosecutors say they found hundred fist not thousands of lewd photographs of young women and girls without their clothes on. many of whom are believed to be underage. some of the photos were discovered in a locked safe. prosecutors writing that the defendant is not reformed. he is not chasent. he is not repentant. rather, he is a continuing danger to the community and an individual who faces devastating evidence supporting deeply serious charges. that devastating evidence they have against jeffrey epstein
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must be a relief to a woman like courtney wild. relief to the dozens or hundreds of victims like her who lost their shot at justice the first time around because alex acosta took that shot away. it is potentially devastating news for the labor secretary too since alex acosta gave that sweetheart deal when he was u.s. attorney, he defended his handling of the case. without that deal, epstein could have gotten zero jail time and registration as a sexual offender and there would have been zero restitution for the victims and that's the best he could get based on the evidence he had. with this new indictment, prosecutors seem to contradict that assertion. according to this new indictment, there is enough evidence do you meaning epstein's child sex crimes to put him in jail for the rest of his life. alex accoosta did not see it th way. joining us now is julie brown,
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the reporter whose indepth reporting series on jeffrey epstein broke this story wide open and was credited by prosecutors for assisting in the investigation. she was inside the court today. thank you very much for being here. thank you for doing this reporting. for these young victims it had to be a relief to see the beginnings of justice. does it surprise you that the charges that are being brought against him today are so similar to the charges that he was given a sweet deal for before. how can that be explained to the ordinary person? >> he had an operation going. he had people who worked for him. he had a set up of recruiters all over in new york, in florida, as far as we know this was probably going on in the u.s. virgin islands where he had a home and in europe. he had schedulers just like an organized crime organization operates with a boss at the top and you have the lieutenants and
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capos and soldiers. he had pilots and schedulers and recruiters and people who handle his money and paid the girls. people who drove the girls back and forth. he had a schedule where two, three of them would come every day. it wouldn't be surprising that since he had the same organization in place that that same operation existed in new york as well as in florida. >> how publicly known -- among the people who knew jeffrey epstein, was this something known that he was doing or was it a secret operation where the employees knew, but outside of that group of people, no one knew? >> well, there were people outside the operation that probably knew what he was doing, whether they participated in it or just knew about it and looked the other way, we don't know. there were a number of people that had to know what he was doing. it was too pervasive for them not to know. >> how was it that he was
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sentence and got this deal, the idea that he was allowed to be out of jail on a work release and he was barely punished at all and the girls were classified and when he was convicted of was prostitution. >> right. they treated these girls like they were prostitutes even though they were underage. that's one of the excuses for not charging him with more serious crimes because they accepted money. it was their fault in their minds that these girls came from vulnerable families and broken homes and some were pretty much homeless. they didn't take these girls seriously which in hindsight they should have. a couple of them took them to court and have been fighting for this for 10 years and have been persistent in fighting for justice. >> how well did he know donald trump. when he calls him a friend, is that a reflection? >> i think they were friends,
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but i don't know if they still are. he flew on jeffrey's plane and jeffrey at time belonged to mar a lago. trump kicked him out because he hit on one of the members' younger daughters. i don't know how friendly they are any longer, but they were in the same social circle. >> have you been able to interview or talk to people who had thoughts about the way he ended this case? >> jeff slowman was who was deputy has been vocal in the support of mr. acosta. he agrees that a.lex faced a lo of push back by epstein's attorneys and in their view, the girls at the time were reluctant to go to trial because they were scared. they were very young at 13 or 14
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years old. but here's what i always point out to people. if this was such a good deal, if this was the right thing to do, why did you seal it and keep it secret? i don't understand why anybody hasn't forced him to answer that question. they say well, the girls didn't want to cooperate and their stories were different or there are other reasons. but okay. then why did you seal it and make them fight for almost a year, the government fought them and wouldn't even give them the agreement. it's baffling that they could justify this by saying all these reasons, but in reality the reason is they kept it from them. >> it would have been nice to ask him those questions. julie brown, thank you very much for your time and congratulations on the wonderful reporting. while it was welcome news for
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anyone who cares about the welfare of children, it was eye-catching. prosecutors in the southern district of new york announced the case is being handled by the public corruption unit. sex trafficking cases are not run out of the public corruption unit, a fact which was seized upon by reporters at the press conference. >> why is it being handled by the public corruption if it's just sex trafficking? >> i'm not getting into the staffing decisions at the u.s. attorney's office. i have confidence that the public corruption unit can handle this investigation and prosecution as it has so many other matters. i will urge you not to read into the unit assignment anything one way or another. >> joining us now is mimi rocah who supervised cases as a prosecutor in the southern district of new york. thank you very much for being
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here. this case seemed interesting that it's being handled out of the public corruption unit. >> it is unusual. the public corruption unit handles cases that involve like it sounds, public officials. whether it be elected officials or it can be police officers, it can be anyone who holds some kind of position of public trust, basically. so i think two different ways that that could be something that we see develop in this investigation. one is that we see somebody who is either a public official or elected official who was involved in the sex trafficking scheme with epstein with which he is now charged. that is possible. the other possibility is we know as you just discussed at length with julie brown that there was real mishandling at a minimum of the plea in florida with epstein. does that involve prosecutors? and defense attorneys.
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even attorneys can be considered public officials. is that something now that the southern district does looking at that piece of it of how and why did epstein get that ridiculous slap on the wrist that shocks anyone's conscious who understands how serious this case is. that would be -- it could be both of these. it's not one or the other. those are the two ways i see it possibly involving possible corruption. >> meaning that the fact is that alexander acosta violated the law that he should have given the victims notice. he did not do that. there is a possibility that that act is also being investigated? >> the lack of notice to the victims is one specific part of a complete mishandling of the plea negotiation process. the judge ruled that the lack of notice to the victims was a violation of federal law. there were other things about it. why he got this deal in the
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first place, why alex acosta when he was the u.s. attorney was having private meetings with epstein's defense attorney off site by himself, i cannot tell you how improper and unusual that is. it just smells really bad. >> for does. it also raises the question of whether or not it is the power and the people that jeffrey epstein knows and is involved in. could it be that he can try to cut another deal by saying other people were involved, too. there were other people involved. could he be trying to leverage what he knows about other people committing similar crimes? >> he has incentive to try to cooperate. what i know of the southern district of new york which is a lot, they are not going to give him a pass. if he has valuable information to trade for a cooperation agreement and it would have to be really valuable, i only know
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of two instances in my 16 years where someone charged with these kinds of crimes was even allowed to enter into a cooperation agreement and it was not without a lot of debate. these kinds of crimes, you don't give that any kind of break. these are the crimes that make your blood boil. if he had really valuable information and it's hard to imagine what that could be, he would still have to complete guilty and face a lot of time, but possibly his cooperation could give him some kind of benefit in that sentence. that may be the only hope he has. the charges seem strong to me. when i read the southern district's bail letter, they are confident in their case and they don't do that lightly. >> standing up for justice and i hope the young girls get it. appreciate your time, mimi rocah. much more to get to including a development in the democratic nomination for president that
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i will tell you, it's three
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agency of government when i get there that are gone. commerce, education, and the -- what's the third one there? let's see. oh, five. commerce, education, and the, um. >> you can't name the third one. >> the third agency of government i would do away with, the education, the -- commerce, and let's see. i can't. the third one, i can't. sore. oops. >> oops. it might seem hard to believe now, but there was a point back in 2012 where rick perry was a front-runner for the republican nomination for president of the united states. at one point, perry held the lead in more than 15 straight national polls. that is until the oops moments started to pile up. he took a second stab at it in
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2016. the only problem, he was the same rick perry. >> joining me now is former texas governor, rick perry. do you want to make news on the real story. is donald trump right? are you getting out of the race? >> you know, a broken clock is right once a day. >> a broken clock is right twice a day. rick perry was the first candidate to dropout of the republican presidential primary following the departure from the race. rachel and team maddow started a tradition on this show where by candidates got poofed when they called it quits. rick perry was the first and 10 days later, scott walker and maddowland poofed our way through the republican primary. poof! poof! poof! with rachel out, i have the honor of poofing the first candidate. eric swalwell announced he is
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ending his presidential campaign. he will focus on his reelection bid as he looks to serve a fifth term in congress. that massive primary field got one person smaller. as a result eric swalwell is going bye-bye from the big board. three, two, one. poof! there he goes. there have been three major changes in the 2020 race. the first as we showed you is the field as narrowed for the time being. the second is that senator elizabeth warren turned into a massive fund-raising haul in the second quarter despite holding no fund-raisers. she announced the campaign brought in $19 million over the past three months. that's quite a bit more than the other candidate, making big polling moves this week and kamala harris made $12 million. it puts senator warren ahead of bernie sanders, the only others to have spurned closed door
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fund-raisers. warren brought in more than sander this is quarter. in fact, she pulled in nearly as much money as former vice president joe biden and again, she did it without holding any fund-raisers. instead focusing on a small army of small donors. she more than tripled her fund-raising total. warren's big haul comes amid a shifting power dynamic that produced a third big change. joe biden shifted gears and apologized for comments he made nearly two weeks ago about working with segregationists. here he was this weekend in south carolina. >> was i wrong a few weeks ago to somehow give the impression to people that i was praising the man i successfully opposed time and again? well, yes. i was. i regret it. i'm sorry for any of the pain or misconception i may have caused
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anybody. >> biden's record was called into question and senator harris had this to say. >> i think he is right to recognize the impact of his words. i applaud him for having the courage to do it. there is a point of disagreement between he and i and that remains, but i applaud his courage about segregationists. >> how does all of this change the race going forward? chief public affairs officer for moveon.org. always great to talk to you. i want to start with eric swalwell. let me play what eric swalwell had to say out of the race. >> the polling wasn't moving after the debates and the donor number was going up, but it was never going reach the point where we could qualify for the september debate. that's 130,000. i will be honest. i welcome the thresholds.
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as someone who is putting everything into it and expecting your family and your staff to put everything into it, we didn't want to screw around here. we wanted to grow with the thresholds and if we didn't, we were going to get out. those thresholds are fair and it's the best way to narrow the field. >> will more people catch the realism bug and move out of the race. >> can i just say poof, joy? poof! so a couple of things. with eric swalwell, look, there is not enough oxygen in the room. you have 20 plus candidates. donald trump takes about 90% of the media political time and the rest have to divvy up 10% of that. 20 some odd of them. after a while, if you can't get on the news and you can't push out your agenda because of other candidates, your money dries up and you can't move up in the
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polls. it's not surpriseding. eric swalwell is 38 years old. he was able to put out his platform in front of 18 million people which was the gun reform. he got something out of it. he got himself in there for a little bit and he goes back and he runs a reelection. as we get closer and more and more debates under people's belts, it's harder to get on the debates. the thresholds will change. as he was talking about the third debate is going to be difficult to get on. we are going to see a kind of dwindling down of the race. >> we are going to talk money in a minute, but there is two col rad ans and two texans. at a certain point the donor base is an attrition within the states. this is one less californian. >> excellent point. one of the things, one of the plays that julian castro was doing at the debate two weeks ago was he went after a texan.
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after someone in his own state which was beto o'rourke. he went after him pretty hard. if you think about the strategy that julian castro was thinking about, let me get someone who is in my space talking about immigration reform from a big state like texas. julian castro would need to do well in with the latino voters as seems to be his play. he went after beto o'rourke which was a smart strategy. so yeah, i think that makes a lot of sense. you have one less californian in the race. there is no competition there for kamala harris, assuming there was any real competition. >> absolutely. super tuesday. let's talk about the money. the big haul by elizabeth warren, big deal that she was able to raise that much money without big ticket fund-raisers. >> that i have to tell you, elizabeth warren is changing the game on all levels with the plan leaning in with her plans and talking about racial inequality
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as a white candidate. it's incredibly impressive. $19.1 million without big fund raisers, this is a grass roots operation she is running. the thing about it is that amazing is a majority of her donors have not maxed out. she gets to go back and get more money from them. they are not from the upper east side or the upper west side or hollywood hills. they are from across the country. she is energizing the base. that's what you need to be doing. so she is number one, a really direct competition. he will have enough money to continue and she is also up there as a real competitor with the fund-raising and the polling. >> let's talk about the guy who is number one in the polling. joe biden. do you think he turned the corner during the debate? >> i'll say this. black voters understand one
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thing. they understand how dangerous donald trump is. they understand the hatred and the bigotry and the outright racism. that is not surprise why we see black voters, one of the number one things they care about is to beat donald trump in 2020. when the two things that biden had to deal with after this debate was number one, he showed his vulnerability on race. number two, he put that doubt in people's mind, which was can he beat donald trump? that's a very dangerous doubt to put in people's minds when you are the front-runner and running this electability general election campaign. you saw that in the polls. it was an average of six points he was going down in polling. who are his community that is lifting him up and being a front-runner and african-american voters. for him it was important that he
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apologized for praising segregationists. it took three weeks and he took a lot of body blows and it was showing in the polls. >> for took a while, but we shall see from here. >> poof! >> i will make you poof in a loving way. talk to you later. poof. now we have a ton of show ahead. one person whose diary of notes was cited almost 70 times in the mueller report. her testimony to congressional investigators is hot off the presses and that is next. hot oe presses and that is next
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the latest charter school scandals are piling up. leaders of one san diego charter network? indicted for conspiracy and grand theft. thankfully, the governor's charter school policy task force just made important recommendations for reform: more accountability on charter school spending. and giving local school districts more control over the authorization of charter schools. reforms we need to pass now. so call your state senator. ask them to support ab 1505 and ab 1507.
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when former white house communications director hope hicks testified, it was a smack down between hicks and her fleet of lawyers that blocked her from answering 155 questions including basic stuff like where was your office in the west wing? her lawyer cited a concept called absolute immunity which, for the record, is not a real thing. it sounds bad, but jerry nadler had a strategy that hicks is stonewalling the committee and gave them ammunition in terms of getting hicks and former white house counsel don mcgahn to testify. there after he cut a deal with the other fact witness. the former chief of staff to don mcgahn. he is known for taking copious
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notes that were cited 65 times in the mueller report. the theory goes hope hicks stonewalling the judiciary committee gives them ammunition by future court battles. the same thing goes if donaldson gives a bunch of no responses. it gives better standing in court later on. well tonight, behold. chairman nadler released her written responses and it seems like ms. donaldson and hope hicks were singing from the same song book. when asked where her office was, donaldson answered. she claimed constitutionally confidentiality interests 212 times. she refused to answer whether her boss asked her to take notes and if the president asked her not to.
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the time that donald trump called and got jeff sessions to unrecuse from the mueller investigation. her notes are cited in the mueller report that the white house wouldn't let her answer. they asked about her handwritten note about being in the middle of another russia fiasco. you guessed t the white house wouldn't let her answer. same thing about her quotes of serious concerns about obstruction as sighted in the mueller report. and the time trump called mcgahn and ordered him to fire robert mueller. no surprise, the white house wouldn't let her answer that one either. it wasn't a total loss because she did confirm a few key passages from the mueller report like several actions that exposed trump to obstruction of justice and ordered mcgahn to meddle the in mueller investigation. the plot thickens. one week and two days until he testifies, but who's counting? testifies, but who's counting?
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so it's the monday after a long holiday weekend when for most people the priorities are to readjust and take the ooto off the e-mail. try being in the department of justice. they got called back to work this weekend from vacation due to a presidential tweet. for months the doj attorneys had been in court defending efforts to add a citizenship question to the census, which if done, could
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be expected to result in an under count of latinos and overcount of white people and republicans that would give more money and resources and power over the next 10 years. the lawyers had been defending the trump administration's gambit by claiming that the administration's reasons for adding the question had nothing to do with under counting latinos or targeting immigrants and the real purpose was enforcing the voting rights act. that didn't work. multiple federal judges ruled that the trump administration's voting rights excuse was made up. finally the supreme court told the trump administration that the lower courts were right and they could not go ahead with their census plan. at least not under the terms they were trying to. they admitted defeat and said the census would be printed without the question and they went on vacation. then came the presidential tweet that said the opposite. a justice department lawyer
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phoned in to a federal conference from his supposed vacation to tell the judge that nope, he had no idea what was going on either. here are the quotes. the tweet this morning was the first i had heard of the president's position on this issue. i do not have a deeper understanding of what that means at this juncture. obviously as you can imagine, i'm doing my absolute best to figure out what's going on. i can't possibly predict at this juncture what is going to happen. i request that given that tomorrow is the fournlg and the difficult every of assembling people, could we do this on monday? the judge said no. you will come back from vacation and figure it all out. that was wednesday. as rachel explained on the show, on friday the trump administration told the court it was busy coming up with a new rational for changing the census, which is impressive,
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because the administration changed the rational for the census at least 10 times in the last four months. this weekend donald trump himself went ahead and gave away the game, saying they need the question to draw congressional districts which the doj lawyers had been arguing for months is not the rational. now today the lawyers arguing the census case who had been vying to come up with a reason the courts would believe is real and valid for changing the census have been replaced. "the washington post" was first to report it could signal career attorneys's real or ethical concerns over the maneuvering ordered by the president. attorney general william barr acknowledged number of people who litigated the case have been told not to continue. oddly enough if anything happens could be called odd, the doj lawyer who is specialize in cases like this are being replaced with lawyers from completely different sections of the justice department that do
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not appear to have anything to do with this litigation and just in the last hour or so, the plaintiffs in one census lawsuit filed a motion to block the justice department from replacing those lawyers. no matter, trump's attorney general, his roy cohn said they have a plan. >> i have been in constant discussions with the president since the supreme court decision came down. over the next day or two, you will see what approach we are taking. it does provide a pathway for getting the question on the census. >> the census is being printed right now without the citizenship question. how is the trump administration planning to add it? citizenship question post it note on all the forms? there is a lot of ineptitude on display for sure. there could be serious consequences even if they continue to lose in court for one thing. if the goal of the citizenship question is to depress latino
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participation, they may accomplish that goal by sowing confusion about whether the question is included. there is a real possibility here that we could be rolling towards an event that has never happened. in 243 years of history. the president of the united states defying a supreme court order. in this case by simply going ahead with the citizenship question regardless. possibly through an executive order. that is a real constitutional crisis territory. joining us is the "wall street journal" correspondent covering the story. thanks for being here. >> you bet. >> let's talk about that last bit. william barr claimed they have a plan for how to get around the supreme court ruling that said they can't put the question on the census. do you have reporting on what that plan might be? >> we don't know what the thinking is inside the injustice, but a few ideas have been floated on the opinion and editorials about a new or
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different rational that the government could put forward. one idea was that this was in the column that ran "the washington post." it was to say that the government needs precise information about the number of noncitizens in the united states because several democratic candidates suggested expanding health coverage to include immigrants as well as u.s. citizens and they need to know how much that might cost. that's one rational that has been suggested. another is that it could be used to enforce section two of the 14th amendment that has a provision that never has taken effect that would reduce representation in congress by the number of eligible voter who is are denied the right to vote. that's a reconstruction era provision to deter former confederate states from african-american votes, but has never been implemented in. what the justice department settles on, we don't know, but
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they haven't thought of it before wednesday. the prior day they told the courts they were going ahead with the census form without the question. >> let's talk about what's happening in the justice department. there a couple of things. there is reporting that the lawyers who are now going to be handling this come from the civil division and the federal programs branch. branches that have nothing to do with this and morale in your piece that you wrote is pretty low at the point from your article and administration officials appear to be scrambling and nobody has any f'ing idea when asked what the president was referencing. are people getting off because they want off or is william barr wanting more compliant attorneys? >> i'm not sure, but mr. garner who you quoted and others are uncomfortable having to present shifting positions to the court. it's one thing if you are a politician making statements for
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public consumption, but judges have an ongoing relationship with lawyers and they rely on the representations of those who are officers of the court and they have a duty to the court as well as to their clients. we don't know exactly what it was about the case as it is now that has made some of those lawyers uncomfortable, but a few things might think about. they argued that the printing deadline was june 30th and that was the reason they had to expedite the case to get it decided before they left town at the end of last month. if that turns out not to be so, judges might be unhappy and the other side in these cases would say and actually have said filed a motion complaining about this. saying that you manipulated the process. so that is another area that is a part from any of the substance of the issue involving whether it's a good idea to put this
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