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that is our broadcast on this monday night, as we start this new work week. thank you so much for being here with us.rom our nbc news headquarters here in new york. rachel does have the night tonight on "all in" -- >> there's been a lot of speculation in the media about individuals affiliated or associated with the family of jeffrey epstein. >> the man trump once called a terrific guy back behind bars. >> he's alleged to have sexually exploited and abused dozens of minor girls at his homes in new york city and in palm beach, florida. >> tonight, new charges against wealthy sex predator jeffrey epstein. >> the alleged behavior shocks the conscience. >> and new calls for the resignation of trump's labor secretary who gave epstein a plea deal in florida. >> that seems like a long time ago, but i know he's been a fantastic labor secretary. >> senator tim kaine joins me on that. then --
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>> does provide a pathway for getting the question on the census. >> how the administration plans to ram a citizenship question back on to the census. >> we're working on a lot of things, including an executive order. plus, new lies about the state of the migrant camps on the border. >> i've seen some of those places and they are run beautifully. and how a tremendous victory for team usa became a rallying cry against the president. >> now we need to win in 2020. democrats! >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. a notorious convicted sex offender and friend of donald trump, a man who has escaped serious accountability for years, seemingly thanks to his enormous wealth and social connections, is now behind bars. in the news is sending shock waves through the corridors of power as his many prominent associates are left to wonder what 66-year-old financier jeffrey epstein knows. and what he might tell prosecutors.
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epstein is connected to some of the most powerful people in america and the world, including bill clinton, alan dershowitz, prince andrew, and, yes, president donald trump. about which more in a bit. he is also, according to federal prosecutors in the southern district of new york, a repeat abuser of young girls. >> epstein is charged in a two-count indictment. first, conspiracy to commit sex trafficking, and, second, the substantive crime of sex trafficking of underage girls. beginning in at least 2002 and continuing until 2005, epstein is alleged to have abused dozens of victims by causing them to engage in sex acts with him at his mansion in new york and his estate in palm beach, florida. the victims, all underage girls at the time of the alleged conduct, were given hundreds of dollars in cash after each
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encounter, either by epstein or by one of epstein's employees. the underage girls were initially recruited to provide epstein with massages and often did so nude or partially nude. these massages became increasingly sexual in nature and would typically include one or more sex acts, as specified in the indictment. as alleged, epstein also paid certain victims to recruit additional girls to be similarly abused. this allowed epstein to create an ever-expanding web of new victims. this conduct as alleged went on for years. it involved dozens of young girls, some as young as 14 years old at the time that they were allegedly abused. as alleged, epstein was well aware that many of his victims
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were minors, and not surprisingly, many of the underage girls that epstein allegedly victimized were particularly vulnerable to exploitation. the alleged behavior shocks the conscience. >> epstein now faces up to 45 years in prison. he pled not guilty today in federal court. prosecutors are seeming to hold him without bail, citing his financial -- enormous financial resources and potential to plea prosecution. a bail hearing is set for monday. prosecutors told the court today that additional alleged victims had contacted them since epstein's arrest and they along with the fbi encouraged any others to come forward. >> the number to call is 1-800-call-fbi. i'd like to take a moment to speak directly to the victims who will call that number. when you call that number, you'll receive a series of prompts. you'll be asked if this is representing a major case in the country. the answer is, yes, it's number 4. you will then be driven to the top of the list and the jeffrey epstein matter is number 1 on the major case list in the country when you call that
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1-800-call-fbi number. >> epstein was arrested over the weekend by the fbi nypd crimes against children task force. when he arrived in new jersey at a private airport on his private jet from paris where he owns a home. among his other properties is a lavish $56 million mansion on the upper east side of new york city. which is one of the largest private homes in all of manhattan and which prosecutors say they want to seize. investigators entered that mansion where they say epstein abused girls in conjunction with his arrest. they reported finding what they described as a "vast trove of lewd photographs of young-looking women and girls, including some who appeared underage." "some of the photographs referenced herein were discovered in a lock safe in which law enforcement officers found compact disks with handwritten labels including the following, young, name and name and girl pics nude." back in 2005 the parents of a 14-year-old girl went to the authorities telling police in florida that epstein had molested her daughter. police then eventually identified three dozen potential
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victims, and prosecutors crafted a 53-page indictment. but under then u.s. attorney alex acosta, who is now donald trump's secretary of labor, prosecutors struck a non-prosecution deal with epstein's lawyer that allowed him to completely avoid any federal charges. epstein potentially faced life in prison, but instead he pled guilty to state charges of soliciting a minor for prostitution and only served 13 months. he had work release privileges six days a week with a private driver to transport him. the deal which came back into the spotlight earlier this year thanks to some dogged reported by the "miami herald" was viewed by many as unfathomable. one human rights official telling "the herald"" it the just outrageous how they minimized his crimes and
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devalued his victims by calling them prostitutes." earlier this year a judge ruled the prosecutors flat-out broke the law when they concealed the agreement from more than 30 alleged victims. >> mr. president, do you have any concerns about the labor secretary's handling of the jeffrey epstein case? >> i really don't know too much about it. i know he's done a great job as labor secretary. and that seems like a long time ago, but i know he's been a fantastic labor secretary. that's all i can really tell you about him. that's all i know about it. >> that's certainly not all trump knows about jeffrey epstein. the two men are longtime friends. you can see them hanging out there. back in 2002, trump told "new york" magazine, i'm quoting here and i've read this quote about 100 times today. "i've known jeff for 15 years. terrific guy. a lot of fun to be with. it is even said that he loves beautiful women as much as i do, and many of them are on the younger side. no doubt about it, jeffrey enjoys a social life." "miami herald" reporter julie brown further characterized the relationship between the two men on msnbc this weekend. >> they went to dinner parties at each other's house. trump was also on his plane.
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probably not as much as, you know, a lot of other people because trump had his own plane, but they were -- they had -- they had a lot of social relationships with the other. and the other interesting thing is, you know, trump had a modelling agency and epstein also had a stake in a modelling agency, which they suspect he used to bring in underage girls from overseas. and, you know, there is a common in one of the court files where epstein is quoted as saying "i want to set up my modelling agency the same way trump set up his modelling agency." >> joining me now, carol lam, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of california and mindy marquez-gonzalez, publishing editor of the "miami herald." mindy, let me start with you up. this got a fair amount of ink and then it settled and jeffrey epstein returned to society and was hobnobbing with all the people he was hobnobbing with.
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your paper has undertaken an incredible investigation over the past year that seems to be related to this point. what did your reporters discover and how does it relate to the last 48 hours? >> thank you. you know, first of all, i think it has everything -- it has a lot to do with the work that julie brown has done over the past year. it started, quite frankly, as she got interested in human trafficking after doing a story about the florida prison system, particularly women's -- the women's prison system. as she started to do some background checking on human trafficking, jeffrey epstein's name kept coming up. then alexander acosta was nominated to be in trump's cabinet, and, quite frankly, when julie saw the kid glove treatment that he got during that process, we decided that, you know, she needed to take a closer look at that case.
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>> you were a u.s. attorney. there are non-prosecution agreements that happen that come and go. this one has gotten a lot of criticism. fair? >> absolutely fair. fair that it's gotten a lot of criticism and fair that it should have gotten a lot of criticism. >> why? >> because when a non-prosecution agreement is entered, it's because alternative remedies are viewed to be sufficient. it's because, you know, in the case of a monetary crime, sufficient money has been paid. in the case of deferring to another authority to take action, that's an authority that's really getting sufficient justice. what everybody feels in this case, chris, is that sufficient justice was not obtained back when the florida state charges were entered into. >> and there is also the fact
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that you have, mindy, the -- many of the victims themselves coming forward in a lawsuit, right? as part of the timing here, basically saying that they were -- that their rights were violated by the agreement itself and by subsequent actions. >> the victims really are the heros, i mean, of this whole case. it's their day. what julie uncovered in her reporting was really potentially up to 80 victims. of jeffrey epstein. and she was able to track that down through dogged reporting, following breadcrumbs and eventually getting four to talk on the record to us. and, you know, who knows what has transpired in the ten years where basically after this sweetheart deal took place and now. >> the m.o. that's described in the four on the record conversations that happened, julie brown and folks can look at that at "miami herald," fit squarely with the pattern that is established here. what does it say to you that doj
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is now doing -- taking another run at this? >> well, what's happened here is doj and all the attention that this case has gotten in the past few years, and credit definitely goes to the press, credit goes to the victims, credit goes to the victims' lawyers for keeping this alive. i think when judge mara came down with that decision in february and said the miami u.s. attorney's office violated the law and did not give the victims the sufficient notice that they are required by law to give them about this non-prosecution agreement, i think that really sort of blew the doors open at doj, in terms of some other part of the department of justice, in this case it was the southern district of new york because of the locale of jeffrey epstein's home, and where these activities seemed to have taken place. that said we really have to take a closer look at what happened with this non-prosecution agreement. >> mindy, there's lots of talk about the very -- sort of who's who list of associates to jeffrey epstein. bill clinton has a statement out
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today say that he was only on a limited number of trips that had to do with international fund-raising. alan dershowitz who has been locked in a court battle over accusations that have been leveled against him and he has helped advise jeffrey epstein. and, of course, the president of the united states, whose quote i read to you before. it does seem likely that we're going to hear more about that. what do you think? >> i think we're all waiting to see that so many -- these victims were just abandoned by so many layers of institutions and people, and we really are waiting to see what -- who else was involved, who else was complicit, who else facilitated this and who else needs to be held accountable. >> that is the question that is sort of hanging over these entire proceedings. mindy marquez gonzalez and carol lam, thank you both. >> thank you. >> joining me now for more on acosta's connection to all of this, senator tim kaine,
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democrat of virginia. senator, what's your reaction to this story today about intelligence? jeffrey epstein. >> well, i am glad that it looks like epstein might finally get justice for his victimization of so many of these young girls because the sweetheart deal that secretary acosta cut for him when he was u.s. attorney in miami really allowed him to evade justice. so it looks like somebody's final taking this case seriously. i am on the committee that interviewed at the hearing secretary acosta for his position, his answers about this deal did not add up then. i voted against him for that reason. and subsequent events, both the federal court ruling in miami in february and the indictment today show that epstein's a predator and acosta cut a secret, illegal sweetheart outrageous deal and he shouldn't hold the job that he currently holds. he needs to go as secretary of labor. >> i want to play just the
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exchange you had with him about the case. you asked him about it when he was nominated for the position. take a listen to that exchange. >> mmm-hmm. >> you are aware that mr. epstein serve that 13 months -- he was allowed out during the day and he had to sleep at a county jail, but he was basically allowed to move and go around the community and do whatever he wants. that became a subject of significant criticism. >> and i am on record condemning that, and i think that was awful. >> is it your understanding that he -- he was somehow duped in this? like, what is your understanding of the role that secretary acosta played in this actual deal and do you feel like you know the full story of it? >> well, i'm not sure i know the full story, chris, but it was clear to me at the time he was trying to downplay his responsibility for this deal, and it just didn't add up. he was the u.s. attorney who was the key guy behind the non-prosecution agreement that
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let epstein off in such an egregious way. and, you know, the thing about this case that was so outrageous, first, it was illegal to not tell the victims about the deal. the federal court in miami has subsequently found they took substantive steps to hide the deal from the victims. it was outrageously light in terms of a sentence. but the thing that makes me the maddest is acosta allowed epstein to plead guilty to prostitution charges. these were not prostitutes. they were teenage sex trafficking victims that epstein sex trafficked, maybe assaulted, possibly raped, and yet what acosta did was very victimize these youngsters by allowing a prostitution charge to suggest that they were prostitutes. it's outrageous. now, you got to know, acosta is currently the secretary of labor who has enforcement responsibility. in his past activities, he's shown he would side with the powerful and throw the
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vulnerable under the bus. that's the last kind of person you need as an enforcer of the labor laws of this country. >> it seems after the federal judge ruled the plea deal as functionally illegal, the non-prosecution agreement. i think there is a department of justice investigation, it united states is seem to me and i'd like to hear your thoughts on this. there is a lot more that needs to be filled in. i don't think i understand exactly blow by blow how this deal came to be and mr. acosta's responsibility for it. >> well, i think there is more there. one thing we do know is some of secretary acosta's prosecutors in his office prepared a massive
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federal indictment, a 50-plus page indictment in miami against -- against mr. epstein and they had that there, and for some reason the decision-makers in the office just shelved that and went with this state law charge. what does that matter? well, when he agreed to plead guilty to these state charges, they filed the plea in a -- in a county court where the victims wouldn't know to look for it. and then he got this cushy sentence in the county jail where he's out during the day going back to work. so there are more facts to get at, but what i think is now undeniable is that the deal was illegal, it was kept hidden from these victims, it was outrageously light and secretary acosta revictimized these young ladies by allowing it to be a prostitution charge, which is so insulting to label these teenage kids. some of these kids were middle schoolers, chris. to label these kids who were trafficked by epstein as
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prostitutes, what an outrage. >> finally, do you anticipate -- i mean, this is something he had to lightly address in his confirmation hearings. he was confirmed. 52 republicans and 8 democrats voting for him. you were not among them. do you anticipate this is something he's going to have to account for in in some public setting, whether in the house or the senate in the near future? >> there is no way secretary acosta could come before either the house or the senate without having to answer more questions about this. at the hearing in the question, i might have been -- i think it was just senators murray and i that asked him about this. we were deeply troubled by it, as were most of the democrats, but there is no way he can come back before this body, congress, without having to answer a lot more tough questions about this. >> all right. senator tim kaine, thank you for your time. >> absolutely. >> absolutely.
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jeffrey epstein is not the only person connected to president trump under federal law enforcement scrutiny today. remember this guy? his name is elliott broidy. he is the big rnc fund-raiser who like donald trump also reportedly had an affair with a "playboy" model. to cover it up, he also
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reportedly used the president's longtime fixer michael cohen to arrange a hush money payment to said "playboy" model. and according to a lawsuit filed against him, he reportedly coerced that woman into having an abortion after getting her pregnant. you know, rnc dude. that guy, elliott broidy, was also once the deputy finance chair of the republican national committee. now, his co-deputy finance chair was the one and only michael cohen who arranged the hush money payment and who now sits in federal prison, and both of them reported to then finance chair steve wynn, accused of sexual assault and sexual harassment who was forced to leave the rnc because of those lured misconduct allegations, but that has not stopped him from continuing to donate tons of money to the rnc. well, elliott broidy now appears to be the subject of another investigation into his role as vice chair of president trump's inaugural committee.
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the associated press exclusive reporting that a federal grand jury in new york is looking into whether he used his position as viral chair of the president's inaugural committee to drum up foreign business deals, which is illegal. i should note that elliott broidy denies the allegations. joining me now, the national security reporter for the daily beast. she's been reporting on the ongoing scrutiny of mr. broidy. erin, what do we know out of brooklyn's u.s. attorney's office? >> yeah, it's a really interesting story out today. the daily beast has been looking into mr. broidy for quite some time today. what we learned from the associated press according to that news outlet that a grand jury is investigating elliott broidy. now, we don't know exactly what they're investigating, only according to the a.p. they're
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looking into whether or not he used his position on the inaugural committee to benefit himself financially. >> there is looking at the huge amount of contracts he was able to score, right, with foreign countries? >> that's exactly right. but i think the bigger question here is the scope of this grand jury. we don't know much about when this grand jury formed. who is involved in it. we've talked to sources today who say the scope of this grand jury is actually larger than elliott broidy himself. it's more sweeping. it might have included other officials involved in the inaugural committee. and i think the question is whether or not this grand jury is looking at elliott exclusively. >> huh. >> or whether or not they're looking at other individuals in the inaugural committee. now, we also know that doj in d.c. has been interviewing individuals connected to elliott broidy's businesses. we reported exclusively a few months ago in the daily beast that at least one of his business associates had been interviewed in d.c. and that appears to be a different unit than the unit in
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new york. but there does seem to be some level of coordination between doj and d.c. and doj in new york. so i think there is still a lot of unknowns here. and actually the scope of this could be quite larger. >> so we just showed that article that you published, the story you broke back in april, that's the fbi in d.c. interviewing a business partner with elliott broidy. we've got now a brooklyn u.s. attorney's office and then we know that sdny, which has been confirmed i think by multiple outlets, is running their own inaugural committee investigation, correct? >> there seems to be two inaugural committee investigations, and i think some of the details haven't really been worked out. there seems to be one in edny and one in sdny, in the southern district of new york. now, it's a little unclear exactly how the two jurisdictions have broken up the components of the inaugural committee probe. however, we do know that there have been individuals questioned -- individuals connected to this committee questioned by both jurisdictions and also in d.c. >> so what role did broidy play? how close was he to the
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president and the president's allies and associates? >> i think there were a lot of people at the time that claimed to be very close to the president or to have a foot in the door. obviously mr. broidy was connected to the finance committee in a big way. i think several other people were involved in the financing of this committee, but i think that mr. broidy played a big part in this sort of world, trumpland at the time because he was connected to a lot of other individuals who were sort of more deeply connected to president trump. you know, obviously michael cohen was also involved. sort of laterally from him, steve wynn, who you mentioned earlier. so i think it's hard to gauge exactly how much foothold he had with trump himself but he was definitely in the trump orbit. >> we are going to be following this case very closely. seems like there is a lot wild up on the man's plate legally. erin banco, thanks very much. coming up, the white house revamps its effort to rig the census and the president himself can't keep the cover story straight, again. what we're learning about the administration's constant lies on this topic after this.
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it is now july 8th, just over a week after the hard deadline for printing the united states 2020 census form. now, i didn't come up with that deadline. that deadline is the one that the trump department -- trump department of justice said could not be blown through, could not be violated, and they said that to numerous courts in court filings in statements before judges. now they are trying to come up with a way to blow through it. last week you'll recall the supreme court ruled against the trump administration, finding that they had been effectively lying about their own motives in
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adding a citizenship question to the census. the clear reason to add that question would be to spook respondents, to reduce responses in immigrant communities, which would massively shift congressional representation, electoral college votes. areas in states that just happen to be most often represented by democrats. but after being caught in a lie that even supreme court chief justice john roberts wouldn't swallow, it seemed like the trump administration was declaring defeat. the administration agreed they would print a census without the controversial citizenship question. that is still the president threw a tantrum on twitter. which led to an absolutely insane status conference in which a career lawyer with the doj told a federal judge that, and i quote him here, "i am doing my absolute best to figure out what's going on." as of today, we still basically have no idea what's going on except -- except today attorney general william barr said he thinks they may have found a
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path forward to get that question on the census. what we do know is that quite tellingly and really ominously the legal team at doj that has been representing this case has been completely replaced with a brand-new team. many observers think that is because the new case will require directly contradicting what the old case, the old team already stated. having lost multiple times for lying to the court, it now sure looks like they're about to take another run at it by lying to the court. i want to bring in vanita gupta, former head of the justice department civil rights division and now president and ceo of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. let's start with just the matter of the deadline, vanita. i mean, you can cite chapter and verse, times the solicitor general of the united states, the department of justice lawyers have signed documents saying june 30th is the hard deadline. we can't go past it.
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and now what are we going to do? >> well, i mean, this is the thing, you can't make this stuff up. i mean, they have repeatedly made representations to the court that june 30th was the deadline. so much so that they convinced the supreme court under that representation to do something pretty extraordinary, which is to bypass the court of appeals and to just take the case directly from the district court in order to meet this june 30th deadline. and so now after the president throws this tantrum and doj is suddenly scrambling to reverse course, what are they going to say? are they going to say that they lied about the june 30th deadline? are they going to say that somehow magically they found the extraordinary set of resources that it will take to correct forms that are, by the way, being printed as we speak. >> yes. >> they were started to be printed as of july 1st last week, and so, you know, it boggles the mind, but, i mean, also, let's get to what you were
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talking about, which is they're going to have to come up with now an entirely new rationale to pass constitutional muster and pass federal law. and for the last 18 months they have been unsuccessfully telling three federal courts in the united states supreme court about a different law, which is that all of this was needed to enforce the voting rights act. so i just -- i don't see how they don't meet a dead end whichever way they turn, but they sure are trying and they're doing it apparently with the attorney general's in perimeter. which is a career disappointment for the career men and women who try to serve in the justice department. >> let me ask you about that. noelle francisco is a solicitor general. his name is on these court filings say the census bureau must finalize the census forms by the end of 2019 to print them on time for the 2020 census. that's you. that's your name. that's your integrity before the nation and before the court certifying that. are you going to let donald trump march you back into that court -- supreme court and be like i lied to all of you? >> i mean, you know, even the
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reversal in the last week is really quite shocking when you -- when you think about it. he is a repeat player in the united states supreme court. this isn't just about their integrity vis-a-vis the census/citizenship question, this whole endeavor in the events of the last obviously several months, but certainly in the last week i think go to the core of the integrity of the justice department and the willingness of this administration to flout the law. and an attorney general who is basically just acting at trump's beckoning, ignore that we have a supreme court decision that has said what -- that what they had been doing was unlawful. and the attorney general doesn't get to flout the law. this was not an advisory opinion. and so, you know, now they're scrambling to find an entirely new rationale so they can wipe the slate clean but they can't. >> well, that's the question. quickly on this, you know --
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>> yeah. >> there is this idea that the executive order. there is the unring the bell problem, right? we need to "men in black" your memory and everyone in the supreme court and everyone in the public who knows this was pretextual and knows they were lying, woof, that never happened, here is an executive order. like, can they do that? >> look, last i checked, we still had separation of powers in this country, and the president doesn't get to override the supreme court through an executive order. the census is in the power of congress. article i of the constitution -- >> yep. >> -- says that the congress has control over the census. it's a power that's delegated to the executive branch but there are huge constraints on it, including, you know, black and white federal letter law that justice roberts relied on in issuing the majority opinion of the supreme court. they will try. i think they will meet a dead end whichever way they go, but meanwhile there is a really
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important thing at stake where health care, hospitals, policing, political representation are all at stake with this very serious democratic institution.
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thing one tonight, we know that donald trump likes to watch a lot of tv, especially cable news. people close to the president told "the new york times" he spends at least four hours a day, sometimes as much as twice that in front of a television,
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and even on just a glorious holiday weekend, president apparently found the time to watch his favorite network, trump tv. but whatever he saw yesterday did not sit well. the president took to twitter to unleash a torrent of displeasure criticizing the weekend team and calling the anchors terrible. it's unclear what exactly triggered that outburst. it could have been any number of things. >> guess what? history has just been made. we are here in a [ bleep ] -- listen to it -- [ bleep ] trump. >> that's thing two in 60 seconds. [music playing] across the country, we walk. carrying flowers that signify why we want to end alzheimer's disease.
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but what if, one day, there was a white flower for alzheimer's first survivor? what if there were millions of them? join us for the alzheimer's association walk to end alzheimer's. register today at alz.org/walk. the u.s. women's soccer team are world cup champions once again. taking the trophy for the second time in a row after crushing the netherlands 2-0 yesterday. the dominating team capturing hearts all across the country, but maybe not the one in the oval office. >> are you excited about going to the white house? >> i'm not going to the [ bleep ] white house. no. i'm not going to the white
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house. that's -- we're not going to be invited. >> you're not going to be invited? >> i doubt it. >> the president responded to those comments last month from team captain megan rapinoe tweeting that megan should win first before she talks but insisting he'd be inviting the team to the white house win or lose. well, now the megan has won and the president is backtracking. >> will you invite the women's team to the white house, the soccer team? >> we haven't really thought about that. we will look at it. >> well, at least the women's team knows that the fans have got their backs. >> we are here in lyon, france. >> [ bleep ] trump. [ bleep ] trump. >> so did you have any doubt they were going to lose? >> no. >> none? >> none whatsoever. now we need to win in 2020. democrats! >> democrats! usa democrats! >> get that racist out of the white house.
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we have yet more reporting this weekend on the human rights disaster that is the customs and border protection immigration detention facilities. "new york times" in partnership with the "el paso times" reporting on the horrific condition inside one detention center in clint, texas. "outbreaks of scabies, shingles and chicken pox were spreading among hundreds of children who were being held in cramped cells, agents said. the stench of the children's dirty clothing was so strong it spread to agents own clothing." at this point we have accounts from reporters and lawyers who have actually witnessed the conditions inside the facilities, along with members of congress and doctors who have also been inside and the department's own inspector general.
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all of those people have been consistent on the major details of just how terrible the conditions are. but, of course, when faced with an uncomfortable and damning truth, we know what the trump administration does, they lie and deny. they did so this week -- they did this for weeks. the public and before congress under oath about their child separation policy, which was so monstrous they could marshal no defense other than to deny it was happening or wrongly say it had been the policy of the obama administration. now they're doing it once again with the indefensible conditions in the trump migrant detention camps. the acting head of the department of homeland security was sent out this weekend to do what the former head of homeland security, kirstjen nielsen, had done before him, gaslight the public and deny reality. >> why did you call these allegations unsubstantiated? >> because there is adequate food and water. because the facilities are cleaned every day. because i know what our standards are and i know they're
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being followed because we have tremendous levels of oversight. >> the i.g. said the standards weren't being followed. that's the oversight you're referring to. we should note that adequate food and water isn't exactly a denial of the reporting we've been hearing. but if there is any silver lining here, and it can be hard to find given the sheer awfulness, it's that the trump administration understands they cannot actually defend what they're doing.
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we have among the cleanest and sharpest crystal clean, you heard me say it. i want crystal clean air and water anywhere on earth. >> we have the cleanest air in the world in the united states and it got better since i'm president. we have the cleanest water. it's crystal clean. >> america has the clean oast air and water in the world. >> that's not true. we don't have the cleanest air and water in the world. >> have you noticed the thing that trump and the administration do when they are confronted with the policy that is making the world hotter and more dangerous.
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they are pitted hard that under their tenure the air and water in this country is the cleanest and sharpest. first of all, it's not true and it's a nonsequeter. they were at it again with truly biblical flooding in washington, d.c. he gathered up secretaries and tried to timeout his environmental record. >> we're want the cleanest air. we want crystal clean water and that's what we are doing. that's what we are working on so hard. >> i think the world needs to look at your leadership. look at what you've done. today we have the cleanest air on record and we are a global leader for access to clean drinking water. >> out of all this clean air and water arousing your suspicions, it's an attempt to shore up a liability, you are correct. reporting the idea for the steven started with consultants
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who discovered the record is a definite turn off for two key demographics. millennials and suburban women. which is to say, the public is on to the trump administration. people do care about the climate crisis and know the trump administration doesn't. unremarkably, they understand it's a political problem. here to talk about the problem, they report on science and environmental politics and the director of public citizen. the man who replaced the scott pruitt who made for excellent because he was driving around to different hotels whose soaps and lotions he liked. what is his actual record? >> to say they are leaders in
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protecting the environment is like the cookie monster saying he is the leader in vegetables. they say they are, but they are not. wheeler and trump say they are protecting the environment, but they're not. i believe it's 83 regulations that are in the process of being rolled back. 49 of which have been completed. those are all environment-climate-related and span drinking water, air protections, chemical protections. and andrew wheeler himself is a coal lobbyists. that was one of the other funny things. trump brought up his secretary
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of the department of the interior, david bernhardt, a former lobbyist. he brought up andrew wheeler, involved in repealing and creating regulations to protect the environment. in reality they are putting in new regulations that are what the industries want that sort of allow them to operate in the most polluting way possible while still under the guise that they are being regulated. >> the regulatory state has a fair amount of power when it comes to things like clean water and air and regulating chemicals. how much power does the executive have and how has this administration used or not used that power? >> the administration has enormous power. the obama administration got the rest of the world in line for a climate agreement that trump unilaterally dismantled. one of the individuals that pushed hard to dismantle the climate agreement was bob murray who was absent from today's
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event, but bob murray, who runs murray manager who used to hire to set up for meetings with president trump, murray energy delivered this 16-point action plan of which repealing and getting out of the paris climate accord was the number one priority. the paris climate accord, obama made a ton of concessions on that. it wouldn't be binding and developing countries along with developing countries would be on it and it would have fairly modest climate reduction goals. the radicalness and absurdness of the trump administration is even dismantling something like the paris climate accord. >> do you agree this?
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i am truck that he made the speech at all and they have consultants saying this is a political liability. that's why i think they did it. having covered trump in general and republicans and climate change, years ago, there was no climate change. it's a hoax. then there is climate change, but it's natural-caused. humans didn't cause it. now republicans and trump are confronted with the fact that the majority of the public realizes there is a climate crisis. the genius is that trump took that and he was like -- he didn't say this, but the administration does as a whole. he said there is a climate crisis, but american humans are doing a really good job confronting it. he didn't say the words climate change, but he referenced carbon emissions.
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he said the u.s. declined emissions and they have been down since 2000. it's strategic because they were obviously in 2000 and obviously they declined. the message that they are accepting is we are doing great. this climate crisis thing, that's up to the more polluting countries. >> is it progress to have to deal with it and even make the point as fallacious as it is? >> absolutely not. >> i think it how important clean air and clean water and addressing climate change are to a large majority of american voters. it's so distressing that this administration is doing so much aggressive lasting damage on these critically important areas. and placing former corporate lobbyists for the fossil fuel industry in charge of the regulatory apparatus.
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it has to end. >> here handed them an enormous weapon in 2020. thank you both. that's all in for this evening. the "11th hour" with brian williams starts now. reports the white house is closely watching the jeffrey epstein case in new york. accused of sex trafficking because of his ties to a member of the trump cabinet and friendship with the president himself. why would the attorney general try to diminish the testimony of robert mueller nine days away and what we know about the testimony of a key mueller witness on potential obstruction. plus, how the white house tonight has punished the british ambassador for candor. why joe biden apologized at a campaign event and who decided he would not realistically be elected president. all of it on this "11th hour" on a monday begins now.

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