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attention on himself, but the attention on the whole 9/11 responder and victim community that have suffered so many years with this. i think he would be happy to see that vote today, and i think he's smiling down at us. >> mr. alvarez, thank you so much. thank you so much for joining us. ali, a very emotional day on capitol hill. they have been fighting for years, weeks since september 11 to get it past. they finally have relief. does have to go to the senate. >> on behalf of all americans, thank them for the work they've done for victims and first responders that ran toward that disaster so others could get away from it. lee ann, thank you so much. see you back here at 3:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. eastern. kristin welker picks up our coverage. ali velshi, tremendous interviews there. good afternoon, everyone. i am kristin welker, in for katy tur.
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it is 11:00 a.m. out west, 2:00 p.m. in washington. today while standing beside the president on the south lawn of the white house, embattled secretary of labor alex acosta announced his resignation. >> he made a deal that people were happy with, and 12 years later they're not happy with it. you'll have to figure all of that out. the fact is, he has been a fantastic secretary of labor. >> i have seen coverage of this case that is over 12 years old that has input and vetting at multiple levels of department of justice, and as i look forward, i do not think it is right and fair for this administration's labor department to have epstein as the focus rather than the incredible economy that we have today. >> acosta's decision to step down is the culmination of a week of controversy surrounding his role in negotiating a le
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lenient plea deal for a man accused of sexually abusing girls. acosta attempted to explain why he brokered that deal while he was u.s. attorney in florida, but it was not enough to quiet critics that demanded acosta face reckoning. sources tell kelly o'donnell, friends and allies predicted that acosta would leave on his own, he would see that keeping acosta was untenable with the drum beat for resignation. it appears that's exactly what happened today. joining me to start things off, nbc news white house correspondent hans nichols, investigation gave reporter tom winter, and political analyst peter baker. hans, i want to start with you. you were there out on the white house south lawn today when president trump, secretary acosta made that news, announced that acosta is going to step down. take us behind the decision.
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what led to this? >> reporter: the president didn't think acosta had done enough in terms of acquitting himself. it happened relatively quickly. you look at the sequence of events, the president comes out in the morning, saying he is accepting the resignation of the secretary of labor. sometimes they reject resignation offers and say you need to stay on, it is a recognition whie t recognition by the white house to keep the conversation on deregulation and on what they're doing in terms of job creation. there was acknowledgment that this was getting in the way. that was getting in the way of the story the president wants to tell about the economy. as we know now, there's going to be a new acting labor secretary. kristin? >> peter baker, you've done so much reporting on this as well, it seemed as though after alex
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acosta held the news conference, it stopped the bleeding at the time. then you have other people coming forward and challenging his events. take us behind the scenes. what do you know about how much pressure he was getting to step down? >> that's a great question. i think you're right. he cam out, gave an hour-long presslm, gave a measured explanation of what he had done, why he had done it. he took questions. he didn't just flee the room like a lot of people do when they come out and read a statement, but his answers didn't satisfy those involved in this, including florida palm beach county state attorney involved in the case, including lawyers for victims that said he was rewriting history. ultimately, his position became untenable. the president's aides told president trump that they thought secretary acosta did pretty well, the president though thought that he probably went on too long, didn't show enough empathy for the victims,
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and basically, i think writing was on the wall when you saw 24 hours go by without a single mention of secretary acosta's performance by the president in person or on twitter. that's sort of a sign in this white house where the president is at. >> peter, that's such an important point. i think we were all checking our twitter handles, waiting to see some reaction from the president and we didn't. it almost was as if he was mulling what he just witnessed. tom winter, let me turn to you on that point. what we did witness. we had secretary acosta come out and say look, i struck the best plea deal i could have back in 2008, effectively convinced him to plead to lesser state charges instead of federal charges, said he wouldn't have faced any jail time, wound up serving thirteen months in jail, a lot of it spent working in an office instead of being behind bars in jail. you had the palm beach state attorney come out and say wait a minute, you could have pursued tougher charges.
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you had a 53 page indictment that had been prepared. julie brown who has done a lot of reporting had this to say about what we heard from acosta. >> that press conference that he gave the other day didn't do him any good, much help. practically everything he said at the conference was either inaccurate or twisted in some way to benefit him, to make him look good, and in reality there's nothing here that makes him look good. i mean, he dropped the ball on this case and he had been preparing to do a fact check story for tomorrow's paper that would use documents to show everything he said was not true. >> tom, talk about legal holes in the case that acosta left. >> i mean, i think primarily, the primary point was there was no clock ticking for acosta to bring forward prosecution. if the state moved forward with say a traffic ticket, not trying to be flippant as an example, moved forward with some minor,
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innocuous charge in their investigation, what difference does it make? he's the federal prosecutor. it is two entirely drifferent systems. that was the primary thing that didn't make sense at all. why stop the investigation when he did. there was no reason for him not to continue, to continue to probe investigative efforts. i talked to the detective that handled this on the local side, palm beach police department before he passed away, and he said look, we got to a point i was told to stop investigating on the state level, but also that we were not getting any further engagement from federal investigators, wasn't pointing his finger at the fbi but pointing his fingers at the process going on over at acosta's office, and essentially it never made sense why steps that were taken were taken, to the point that julie brown made, he made some arguments about the way the judge applied the law,
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the crime victims act, the way the judge applied the law, that was incorrect. but what didn't make sense, they told victims at the same time they were going to prosecute epstein. so it didn't add up, the bulk of what epstein said. it was well presented to peter's point, it was coherent, and he did take questions, but most answers belie the facts of the case. >> peter, let's take a broader look here at the backdrop of the trump administration right now. with acosta leaving, you now have ten acting top roles within the administration from dhs secretary to defense secretary. peter, what does this mean for the administration's ability to actually carry out some key tasks that the president will undoubtedly want to have happen? >> right. it is already the administration
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with the highest toepfurnover w seen in modern times. add to this, president bush, president obama, they lost zero to one or two cabinet secretaries. this president has lost majority of them by this point. and as you say, no secretary of defense when we're in war footing in afghanistan and around the world, haven't had a permanent defense secretary in six, seven months at this point. so it definitely leaves a hole in the administration. it means these people are not empowered to take decisions, same way a senate confirmed permanent cabinet secretary would be, and it means it reinforces the dynamic we see in the administration, it is a presidency of one. everything comes back to the president of the united states. that's the way he prefers it. he told us he likes acting people because in fact i think it gives him the most power and most flexibility as you put it. one last point of data, i think it is this week that nick mulvaney, acting chief of staff will have served as long acting
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as president trump's first chief of staff, reince priebus did as permanent chief of staff. >> it is so striking, peter baker, that he continues on as acting chief of staff. you're absolutely right about that. fantastic way to start off. appreciate it. thank you all. the highly anticipated testimony from former special counsel robert mueller might be delayed another week. mueller was expected to testify wednesday before the house judiciary and intelligence committees, but according to multiple sources, the hearing could be delayed until july 24th, according to the hill team, as part of reported negotiations between mueller and house democrats. the president spoke about mueller this morning on the white house lawn ahead of the new development. take a listen. >> now they want to have him again. they want to go again and again and again because they want to hurt the president for the election. because i see what i'm running against. >> he continues to be defy and
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the. joining me, nbc news correspondent ken delaney. thanks for being here. what is behind the delay if it happens? >> what i'm being told it is principally about members of the house judiciary committee dissatisfied they wouldn't have enough time for questions because mueller's testimony has been limited to two hours before the house intelligence committee, two hours before judiciary. judiciary is a large committee. in two hours of five minute questions, they would be limited to the top dozen members. more junior members aren't happy about that, they're fighting for time, mueller is offering to give more time, but wants a week's delay. not clear what one has to do with the other, but that's what we're told. >> bottom line, as you lay it out, under those guidelines, a, not everyone gets a question, follow-ups would be limited. that's a key part of the process. >> a key part of the process. i have talked to experts how they think the hearing could go. they tell me if the democrats get their act together and coordinate questioning, they could within five minute rule
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present a coherent sort of set of information to the american public. the way the hearings tend to go, members make speeches, don't follow-up on one another's questions. there's a lot of concern with people that want the story to come out that it could end up being a rough day. >> ken, quickly, this would happen if it is delayed right before congress goes on recess. how does that play into democrats' broader goals? >> it is not good at all. it would foreclose on things coming out. we discussed the subpoenas, they would like a series of hearings following up with each of the prominent witnesses. they're not going to get that rgs partially because they're in recess, partially because they won't get subpoenas fulfilled right away. >> thank you for being here and helping us understand breaking news. still ahead, the president unloads on paul ryan after the former house speaker had choice words about mr. trump in a new book. so why criticize him now and not
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while he was in office? first, with hours to go until i.c.e. begins an operation against thousands of undocumented migrants, several cities are on guard, plan to take a stand. how are they going to do that? i ask the new york attorney general leticia james next. mes t lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than 7 and maintained it. oh! under 7? (announcer) and you may lose weight. in the same one-year study, adults lost on average up to 12 pounds. oh! up to 12 pounds? (announcer) a two-year study showed that ozempic® does not increase the risk of major cardiovascular events like heart attack, stroke, or death. oh! no increased risk? (announcer) ozempic® should not be the first medicine for treating diabetes, or for people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. do not share needles or pens. don't reuse needles. do not take ozempic® if you have a personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer,
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expected to make lacndfall in te next 24 hours. hurricane evacuation orders are in effect now as tropical storm barry moves through the gulf of mexico toward louisiana. the storm slow movement has already resulted in widespread flooding, expected to bring storm surge and up to 20 inches of rain. one of the areas is plaque man's parish. >> reporter: the concern shifted from the levees to historic rainfall headed to the area. in a place like this, southeast of new orleans where i am now, storm surge also is a concern, you can see level of the water behind me, and the storm isn't here yet. the mississippi river is a mile that way. all of the residents and homes are between the two bodies of water. this area is under mandatory
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evacuation. you can see some sandbagging efforts conducted by the national guard behind me. 3,000 troops have been deployed to the state of louisiana at this point. kristin? >> thank you for that reporting. stay safe this weekend as you continue to cover the storm. stick with msnbc in the coming hours as we cover barry's impact throughout louisiana. today on capitol hill, members of the congressional hispanic caucus called the nationwide i.c.e. raids expected to begin sunday cruel and disgusting. >> the newest rounds of raids announced by the trump administration are cruel and arbitrary. >> what will happen is another version of family separation because you have so many mixed status families. >> if trump has his way, children will be taken by government at schools. children may come home and find their parents are no longer there because they have been taken by i.c.e. >> this is tragic.
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it is disgusting. >> this comes as we saw demonstrations in philadelphia in protest of the raids. dhs officials say they'll target 2,000 families in ten major cities. the president defending his decision to give i.c.e. the green light insisted raids round up only criminals. >> it starts on sunday. they're going to take people out, they're going to bring them back to their countries or take out criminals, put them in prison or put them in prison in the countries they came from. we are focused on criminals as much as we can before we do anything else. >> joining me, letitia james, attorney general james, thank you for joining me. appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> new york, one of the states that will be targeted. you have vowed to try to essentially block this action. what are you planning to do, what can you do? >> first, let me thank aclu,
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they filed a lawsuit, preemptive strike against this administration based on violation of the fifth amendment, due process rights of individuals. it is critically important individuals who are fleeing from primarily three countries are fleeing persecution, violence, and even fleeing death. these individuals have rights, due process rights. i along with other attorney generals that represent the other nine cities are considering our legal options. it is important that individuals understand that the vast majority of individuals are children and it is critically important we do not think this administration can detain and round up thousands of individuals. we think it is impossible for them to do that. >> attorney general, i understand what you're saying but in addition to filing legal fights, trying to block the administration in the courts, what can you do if on sunday federal agents come and try to
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remove and deport those who are living in your state and who are undocumented? >> we are reaching out to allies, working with the immigrant community, advising individuals of their rights, urging them not to respond to individuals who knock on their door. >> so to not open the door. >> to not open the door, advise them basically of their rights and what could happen sunday. it is critically important we educate individuals as much as possible, recognize that they have rights. and that we join together across this nation, let individuals know this country is a country of immigrants, and immigrants have rights and they are respected and welcomed here in new york and countless other cities across the country, and this is nothing more than a xenophobic attempt, racist attempt by the administration, political attempt to use immigrants as political pauwns. we won't sit by and allow this administration to do that. >> let me play what president trump said earlier. part of his justification.
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>> we have millions of people standing in line, waiting to become citizens of this country. they've taken tests, they've studied, they learned english, they've done so much. they have been waiting seven, eight, nine, some ten years to come in. it is not fair that somebody walks across the line, now they become citizens of the united states. >> what do you make of that argument? does he have a point, attorney general james? >> the reality is that these individuals are fleeing countries which are in political turmoil. they're seeking asylum. we have consistently and repeatedly this country recognized individuals who are fleeing persecution and violence and even fleeing death. if we are to deport these individuals, we send them back to death camps. it is critically important that individuals understand that. it is important to understand this country has values, has priorities, and we oppose the separation of families, we oppose separation of children and the fact is that conditions
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in certain camps currently violate our constitution and agreements, so there's questions with respect to the legality of these acts, with regards to whether they can do it physically, and three, questions as to whether or not they're going to -- where are they going to detain the individuals. the detention centers in and around new york are around full capacity, some are quarantined. there's a possibility they may use hotels, armories in the state of new york, and all of this raises legal questions, this should shock the conscience of americans and new yorkers in particular because again this is nothing more than a political attempt to feed to his political base. it is immoral and racist. >> let me get you on one more topic, we are running out of time. you led 18 states trying to prevent the trump administration
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from adding a citizenship question to the census. yesterday, the president came out in the rose garden, said basically he has run out of time to fight that fight. he is going to go about it another way. what was your reaction? he says he is not backing down. he said quote, unquote, i am backing up because he is going to get the information through other means. >> he lost, it was a retreat. it is nothing new. what information he is gathering is information already required by the law, this is not new news. the president of the united states lost and it was a retreat, an embarrassment, he decided to engage in a practice he should have retreated to, something they proposed almost 800 days ago when this was first beginning. all of the legal maneuverings was nothing more than waste of time and resources. so the president lost and democracy and rule of law won today. >> all right. new york attorney general, letitia james, thank you so much for your perspective.
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former vice president joe biden continues to lead the pack in a new nbc news "the wall street journal" poll, but senator elizabeth warren is hot on his trail, surging to second place. only seven points behind the early frontrunner with kamala harris and bernie sanders tied for third place behind her. joining me now, msnbc political correspondent steve kornacki, former spokesman for hillary clinton, and former chief communications adviser for paul ryan, thanks to you all for being here. all-star lineup for this. steve, let me start with you. breakdown the numbers. what are you looking at? >> take a look. the bottom line, biden in first place. for the former vice president that got up there in the high 30s, low 40s when he first got in the race, now seven points ahead of elizabeth warren. that's one of the best polls, maybe the best poll that warren has gotten. we can show you three ways to break it down and see where the strengths and weaknesses are for the candidates. number one, by race.
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among white voters, biden, warren, tied for first. among black voters, biden support more than doubles, goes to 46% on black voters. kamala harris in second place. almost 30 points behind biden among black voters in this poll. that's a number to keep an eye on as the race progresses. is kamala harris' number going up, can biden count on strong support, retaining it among black voters. one out of four votes cast in the democratic primaries nationally are from black voters. a key group, given the source of strength it is for joe biden. another divide is the divide on ideology, liberal voters, elizabeth warren is in first place. by double digits. up 11 points over bernie sanders. biden back in third there. among moderates, completely different story. biden in first place again, not even close. 20 points ahead of kamala harris for second. this is the biggest single
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divide we keep seeing in democratic polls, the divide over age. among voters under 50, bernie sanders is in first place, joe biden is barely cracking double digits, under 50 years old. 50 years and older, biden rockets to first place, nearly 40%. and sanders collapses to a mere 3%. democratic voters over 50 years old. one of the ironies of the democratic race. the oldest candidate in the field, bernie sanders, one of the reasons he is not doing better, voters most averse to him are the oldest voters. >> the generational divide. steve kornacki, thank you for breaking down the numbers on the big board. phillippe, if you're inside the biden campaign, are you feeling confident? he had that rocky debate performance, yet he held onto first place, not by as much as when he went into the debate,
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but he is still holding on. >> i wouldn't say i feel confident, i would feel good in that you really can't have a worse -- i'm sorry, you can't have a worse debate performance than that. and he basically has some kind of floor. more importantly, the numbers with african americans. that's his fire wall in terms of his polling. now, the poll overall reflects what we saw with our own eyes, that warren won the first night, harris won the second night, biden and sanders basically lost the second night, and you know, the scariest number for any of them is your poll showing only 12% of people are stuck, they're die hard, they're confident, they're committed to their candidate. >> you're concerned about that if you're -- >> i'm not running for president, but if i were, because you've got the loyalty is an inch wide, an inch deep. if someone doesn't like what
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their candidate did, want to beat trump no matter what, they're going to jump, they're going to flip. >> look at south carolina as i turn the conversation to you, brendan. biden looking strong there in early voting. 35%, again as phillippe says, he is still holding on. are they feeling great? not necessarily, but is it possible that he is peaking too early. as phillippe is saying, voters right now are not necessarily die hard dedicated to the candidate they've chosen. >> another question you asked which i thought was interesting is what do you care about more, beating donald trump or the issues that you care about, is that the most important thing to you. it was relatively split. for joe biden, he is the only one playing in that lane, he has that lane to himself. i'm just here to beat donald trump. that's probably the number one message he has. and it is the case for him, i am the least scary candidate, i can make it to the general. so that's what democrats need to
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start knocking, chipping away at him. if that sure thing narrative goes away, the bottom could fallout quickly. >> on that point, look at the generational divide, look at biden's strength with those over 50. makes it tougher in the primary where youth voters are necessary. but does that potentially bolster his argument in the general? >> sure, that's what he is playing for, that long game. what you're seeing in a democratic primary is a real desire for ideas, and that's where the warren bump came from clearly. i think the problem for anybody in that poll is bernie sanders who clearly has lost the mantle as the ideal candidate. elizabeth warren has taken that over, and you're seeing her in second place. >> you look at biden's strength with african americans, what do you make of that number, very strong, but is it possible kamala harris starts to make a play for some of those voters, pete buttigieg came out yesterday saying here's my plan, this broad plan aimed at african
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americans. >> i think mayor pete has a separate problem given what has gone on in south bend not only recently but over time. he is polling at 0% with african americans. senator harris, i think back to 2007, 2008 where hillary clinton was leading barack obama among african americans right up until iowa. so what's interesting is to the point about people looking for who's best to beat trump, it is possible, a few things went on between kamala and biden. she showed she has the moxie to take on trump, she showed she has the presence. she revealed that biden isn't necessarily the best, strongest candidate. and there was a raicial component. i don't think it is shocking that african americans stuck with biden, i think a lot of people didn't see it necessarily purely as a racial matter. i think another important thing to remember, more than half of
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democrats in the polls said they watched the debate. another 28% said they either watched or saw something in the press. you have an incredible interest among the democratic party to understand and learn more about the candidates, which i guarantee you, you asked me what's going on in the biden campaign, what's going on, they're saying we need more debate prep time and they're getting it. >> that's for sure. glad you brought up the example with obama and clinton. thank you. the president is standing down on the fight for citizenship question on the census, and it is not his first about face. we'll take a look at that next. e we'll take a look at that next
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remember, the president threatened to strike iran, backed down, threatened tariffs on mexico, backed away from that. he writes each time he launched extensive planning, created angst, even among his own officials and some supporters and devoted significant government resources to preparation. and each time he ultimately pulled the plug. joining me to discuss, "the washington post" reporter aaron blake and brian bennett. aaron, i'm going to kickoff with you. pick up where we left off there. what are the implications and frankly impact of the president sort of moving one direction and then shifting gears so abruptly? >> you have to wonder how it makes people that work for him feel. if you were a justice lawyer working on this for the better part of the last 18 months, you went all the way to the supreme court, you lost there, you came back down, and basically threw in the towel, had the president reverse course, have to go to
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the judge, explain yourself, beg the judge not to judge you poorly for the whole thing. it was just an entire exercise that was really for nothing essentially and then we also had the president come out today i would add and say by the way, we're going to get more accurate data doing this other thing, not through the census. then what was the whole exercise for, why do the census thing in the beginning when this is what the census bureau recommended from the very beginning. it is a puzzling set of circumstances and i think it reinforces that the president often takes these actions without consulting everybody involved, without thinking it through. then eventually he will reverse course if he needs to. >> brian, let's hear more of president trump's justification, what he is saying about the new direction he is taking. >> would have taken a long time back up to the supreme court, so i asked, is there another way. somebody said there's a way that might be better, it might be more accurate. they explained it. i said then what are we wasting
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time, we're going to be in court for the next two years, what are we wasting time for. >> what do you make of that explanation and what do you think the implications are of governing in this way, because by the way, you have some white house officials say this is part of what makes this president effective. >> well, the president leads by tweet, leads by impulse. anyone that works in the white house has learned they have to follow him whenever he does that. all the best plans get thrown out the window. one white house official told me the president blows the hole, we have to run into the breach. that's how the white house operates. anyone that can't operate that way has been shown the door. so take that as a first fact for the white house. also, there's the political calculus. the president loves to show supporters that he is fighting for their issues, even if he doesn't always win or backs down. especially immigration and the census question is fundamentally about immigration, he has repeatedly taken steps like i am closing the border of mexico,
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and it generates a new cycle, his campaign loves it. they use that to collect a lot of voter data and energize voters looking forward to 2020. >> picking up on that important point, for this president, it is about the fight, right, and he is going into the re-election campaign and he can say look at me, i am fighting on this critical issue. by the way, he is in wisconsin today, very important state. does he get to go there and make the argument you're saying he backtracked, he's saying this is victory. >> well, it is not victory, it is clearly not victory. you can make the argument that people like somebody that's willing to fight, but you also want a president willing and able to fight on things they can succeed upon. what could he have been doing the last nine days, what attention issue could he be drawing attention to that he could succeed on, rather than
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doing something he could have done 18 months ago. so i think that brian is exactly right. this is something that he does get a certain amount of credit for the base, they like that he is mixing things up and trying things. at some point you have to ask was this an exercise worthwhile, isn't there something else he could have done in the meantime. >> before we go, the attorney general was standing next to president trump yesterday, he congratulated him on this, he cast this as a victory. aaron, what did you make of what we heard from the attorney general yesterday? >> there's been obviously a lot of talk about whether bill barr has been saying things that are too friendly to trump, especially when it comes to the mueller investigation, and now with the investigation of the investigators which he seems to be very much behind that concept in a way that's favorable to trump. those were obviously problematic because this was an investigation of the president possibly being involved in something criminal. this is an issue on which he can be more of a cheerleader and
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there's not a big question about that. but if you look at some of the things he said, especially when he said the idea that we were putting a citizenship question on by executive order, by fiat was fabrication the media made up, the president said a week ago this was an option he was looking at. there's a way to do that without spinning it out of control. >> brian, final word. >> the president said he is going to fight this, also when the census does report citizenship data in 2021, they said they're going to tell states best they can how many citizens there are in the states and there will be a fight how to use that data, whether it can be used to redraw districts. >> one thing is certain, it will energize his base. thank you for a great conversation. appreciate it. in a new book, paul ryan has a thing or two to say about president trump. safe to say the president isn't too happy about it. we'll tell you how he is responding next. you how he is responding next. [alarm beeping] {tires screeching} {truck honking}
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the time he was with me because we got taxes cut, i got regulation cuts. i did that mostly without him. but for paul ryan to be complaining is pretty amazing. i remember a day in wisconsin, a state that i won, where i stood up and made a speech, and then i introduced him and they booed him off the stage, 10,000 people. >> the president's attack follows recently published comments ryan made to politico's tim alberta for his upcoming book. ryan speaks frankly about his governing record saying, quote, we've gotten so numbed by it all, not in government but where we live our lives, we have a responsibility to try to rebuild. don't call a woman a horse face, don't cheat on your wife. don't cheat on anything. be a good person. set a good example. back with me now former chief communications adviser for paul ryan brendan buck. thanks so much for being here for this conversation. a lot of people i think are wondering why the former house speaker is speaking out e was a?
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>> well, for context he didn't do it now. this was an interview for a book that was quite a few months ago. this isn't the first time that he and the president had a spat. hopefully it's the last time. i don't want to add any fuel to the fire. obviously they were two very different people. the speaker has spoken i think at great length about how he viewed his job as to try to keep government together while he was in office, get some things done along the way. he thought the best way to do that was to have a private relationship with the president, speak candidly with him. and when he felt the need to, to speak out on a number of issues. >> and it is important context because house speaker paul ryan when president trump was a candidate when he said he was a nominee, took him on while to get on board with supporting the president. he was pretty open about that. this is another part of what he told him. he said those of us around him, the president, really helped to stop him from making bad decisions all the time. we helped him make much better
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decisions which were contrary to the kind of what his knee-jerk reaction is. so, take us back, brendan. can you give us some insight into what specifically the former house speaker is talking about? what are some of the bad decisions he prevented the president from making some. >> sure. the one that's been reported from this book is in march of 2018, the president was interested in vetoing a spending bill and wanted to have a government shutdown over the way that the bill came out. and he was able to have private conversations. it was sort of a fire drill for a couple days to talk him out of that. and eventually he tweeted that he was thinking about vetoing it but ultimately did not, we were able to get that bill signed and avoid that kind of disaster. there is a narrative that the speaker never disagreed with the president publicly, and that's just simply not the case. the two examples that were cited in the book were the unfortunate horse face comment which he the then day in an interview with john diggerson rebuked.
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there is the example of saying that the president was wire-tapped by president obama and he announced that that is also not true. it's because of the things that he did that there is also another narrative on the right that speaker was constantly undercutting the president. so both of those things can't be true. and he worked with the president as well as he could and tried to develop some trust, but when there were times he needed to speak out, he did. >> and put your political analyst hat on for me, if you would. the president in wisconsin today. paul ryan, how does this play for a president who needs wisconsin to win re-election? he won it in 2016 famously boasts that he was the first republican to win it in decades really. what are the implications of fighting with the native -- >> i don't think anybody should expect this is an ongoing fight. i can tell you the speaker is very happy to be out of the
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spotlight. he's enjoying being a dad more. >> can it hurt wisconsin? >> wisconsin is a critically important state. it's the rust belt that the president won which surprised everybody. and if he's going to get back, he's going to have to do well in that area. and i think it's an area where it's at 50/50at this point. so it's going to be an important state for him. >> have a grade weekend. from diplomatic drama to best mates? we'll have one more thing. that's next. at karl brought his karaoke machine? ♪ ain't nothing but a heartache... ♪ no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. ♪ i never wanna hear you say... ♪ no, kevin... no, kevin! believe it! geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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and we have one more thing before we go on this friday. in case you forgot, we started this week in washington with a bout of diplomatic drama after wires from the uk ambassador to the united states kim darroch were leaked in them. he described them as dysfunctional and inept. shortly after, the president said this. >> we're not big fans of that man, and he has not served the uk well. so i can understand it, and i can say things about him, but i won't bother. >> so that was sunday. well, this was monday. another response from the president on twitter. quote, i do not know the ambassador, but he is not liked or well thought of within the u.s. we will no longer deal with him. then just hours later msnbc news found out he uninvited him. ambassador darroch decided to call it quits saying in his
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regular iz nation that the controversy made it impossible for him to carry out his full term as diplomat to the u.s. then after days of attacking the ambassador, president trump appeared to pull a complete 180 this morning before boarding marine 1. take a listen. >> well, i wish the british ambassador well. some people just told me too bad, but they said he actually said very good things about me. he was sort of referring to other people, but, look, i wish the british ambassador well. but they've got to stop their leaking problems there just like they have to stop them in our country. >> so, there you have it. a little bit of revisionist history for you. what a difference a few days can make, right? well, that wraps up things for this hour. i am kristen welker in washington. ali velshi picks things up from new york right now. hi there, ali. >> thank you, friend. you have a good afternoon. >> you too. it is friday, july the 12th. trump has just lost another cabinet secretary for what he calls, quote, the constant drum
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beat of press about a prosecution which took place under his watch more than 12 years ago. the resignation came 48 hours after alex acosta took to the podium to defend his role in what critics call a very lenient plea deal for registered sex offender jeffrey epstein. the president appeared with the outgoing secretary this morning to make clear the president was not the one asking for the resignation. >> it would be selfish for me to stay in this position and continue talking about a case that's 12 years old rather than about the amazing economy we have right now. >> this was him, not me, because i'm with him. he was -- he's a tremendous talent. he's a hispanic man, he went to harvard. he's doing this not for himself, he's doing this for the administration. and, alex, i think you'll agree. i said you don't have to do this. he doesn't have to do this. >> which leaves the question why


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