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eastern right here on msnbc. dvr it right now. we'll be back monday with more "meet the press" daily". if it's sunday, it's "meet the press" on your local tv station. make sure you're recording us and watch us live. >> i have a question. you are my washington expert. the ways of government, the ways of this town. is there a mueller hearing wednesday? is will not a mueller hearing? it was long scheduled and subpoenaed but now maybe it's not. understand the town. what's happening. > look, what's happening i'm guessing a whole bunch of members are bummed ha they only get mueller for two hours at a time. so this is clearly about going wait a minute, are you really going to be up here for two hours. i just had jamie raskin on who sort of admitted he fell on the wrong side of the line on seniority of getting to ask questions. ask yourself, raskin is a good questioner. you would think democrats would want him up there trying to do that. i think that's what this is
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about. there's probably a lot of rank and file democrats going on what the heck, i want a shot, too. >> and there's no rule under subpoenas that they stop mattering after two lawyers. there's also this kind of back room debate of okay, respect mueller but do you want to put pressure to get as you say more time. >> yeah, look, if the hope is to get mueller to verbalize this report, i don't know how you do it in two hours when you're doing the ping-pong with partisan ping-pong where every time you're getting momentum, time is up. now let's go down another avenue of questioning. if your goal is to get critical mass to convince speaker pelosi imimpeachment inquiry should happen, two hours is isn't enough. >> we'll be watching on sunday, sir. it is a busy friday and begins with wa we were just talking about. this is basically at this point
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a full blown mueller mystery, will he or won't he and why on wednesday. is appearance by his deputies appeared to have been squashed with direct pressure by trump attorney general bill barr. also, details now coming out about infants ripped away from their parents at the border on under trump's administration's policies. and then the president caving for the second time in hours, bowing to the growing pressure to oust labor secretary acosta over the lenient deal for sex offender jeffrey epstein. we have a lot in a very busy friday night show. we begin with the mueller mystery. the hearing long scheduled for next wednesday but politico reported this had been pushed back at least a week, lawmakers negotiating for more time. then a spokesman for the judiciary committee says, "at this moment," or more, the hearing is still currently in their view scheduled for next week. the 17th. it's also listed formally under
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the congressional website as july 17th. you see right there, judiciary chair nadler and other democrats aren't really talking. >> mueller hearing going to be delayed? >> i'm not saying anything about it. >> looking forward to the mueller hearing when he comes in. >> we need mueller to testify. that's what we're focused on trying to finalize. >> is the hearing civil on for wednesday, mr. chairman. >> i cannot comment. >> at a basic level, there's some gap there between the website i just showed you which has the hearing on and these chairs today ducking questions, kind of a weird friday. as we're waiting for what everyone agrees whatever your views of the mueller report agrees is a huge blockbuster hearing. you have the plan for mueller to testify in public no matter what the date. then you have another mueller hearing what we've covered on this show. there's been a lot going on. this is super important to the resolution of the issues in the mueller report. because it appears to have been canceled in response to direct pressure from trump attorney
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general bill barr. we learned just this week that the doj was trying to pressure two of mueller's top deputies out of talking to lawmakers even in private even in closed session. today "the washington post" reports that very closed-door session is canceled. democrats say mueller's team may have backed out "under pressure from the trump administration's bill barr." "new york times" had also reported the pressure would have a chilling mueller deputies. that appear to have happened today. we have some dale how powerful that effect could be. bill barr is currently investigating is mueller's investigators. he also dialed up the pressure in public when he said fail lance which was lawful and proved by a court constituted "spying." he remains the most powerful law enforcement officer in the country. if he tells people not to testify whether they're in or out of government, you can imagine the kind of pressure that puts on someone when mr. barr has deliberately kept open investigations into those
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ves investigators. i want to get right to the it the with former federal prosecutor jan flannery are, matt miller, former chief spokesman at the justice department under eric holder and natasha ber brand, politico's national security correspondent. i'm going to go down the line like this. natasha, what's the very latest and what is this really about? >> we don't really know what's going on to be honest with you. the members don't seem to know what's going on either. we've heard that members have been told by their staff that the deputy's closed door testimony before lawmakers has been postponed or canceled. it's not really clear. but they haven't confirmeded definitively it's not happening. we're hearing perhaps the rumor is that it's put off for now. we don't know what's happening with that closed door. as for mueller testifying, that's still up in the air too because as you mentioned a
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judiciary committee spokesman said earlier today that they still have it on the books for the 17th. what this really seems to be about is democrats are upset perhaps that they don't have enough time tool question the special counsel for everyone top question the special counsel and obviously, the pushback on that is well, this isn't really about you. this is about getting in the best questions possible in a limited amount of time. also, mueller you know doesn't necessarily have the stamina anymore to sit through what a marathon hearing. being as efficient as possible. >> i don't know if you've seen his medical records. i don't think we know that. >> it's been in certain circles it's been questioned. >> in terms of evidence and what we've seen he ran a have an gressive two-year investigation on a tight timeline. is he known to be careful in his testimony but in terms of sticking to the evidence, matt, we have a lot of signs there was an agreement for testimony and we have public reporting which really the doj hasn't denied in
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a formal way that mr. barr took this unusual step of telling people not to testify in closed session. the intelligence committee that's their bread and butter. does that look suspicious to you, matt. >> it does. look, the department can't actually block a former employee from testifying but they can try to intimidate them. they tried to do it with sally yates. they can tell former attorneys that look, you are not authorized to talking about confidential information here. we believe some of this information is confidential even though there was a 448 page report. there are certain privileges at stake you're not authorizes. they haven't been waived. it's an intimidation forecast. it leaves open the possibility that the justice department might try to refer one of these attorneys for charges by their local bar association. probably not something they would do. if you're one of these attorneys it's not a fight you want to have 37 it's a threat early in the administration the justice department made against sally yates when she was getting ready to testify, she ignored the
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warning and i would hope these employees do it, too. it's really important they answer questions from this complete. >> do you think there is enough evidence to show, matt, that mr. barr may be misusing these open investigations org is it too hard to say at this point. >> you know, i don't know if it's the open investigations or it's this implicit threat of some kind of sanction via a bar removal which is very much a live issue when the sally yates discussions were going back and forth whether she would testify. it could be one or the other or both. look, barr ought to get out of the way. he said publicly will he no objection to mueller testifying. if he has no objection to mueller testifying, there's no reason mueller's deputy ought not to be able to testify, too. there are two things that congressional investigations do, one is fact find -- two is public illumination. the public hearing is for public illumination. the closed session is for fact finding so they can find out what other areas these
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committees ought to look at. it's essential they go forward. >> john, one of the great hidden biases in all media is not ideological. it's temporal. it's about time. if there barr pull this had move the first week after mueller finished his investigation, my media the hypothetical based on experience is it would be wall to wall, it would be a huge deal. he comes out and right after there muzzling silencing them. the months have gone by. mr. barr has played this out in public and now we covered it earlier this week, it doesn't necessarily get the same attention and that's the whole point. take a listen, john, to the president today doing the public version of this which is barr muzzles people behind the scenes. the president tries to tell his folks this is a redo and do-over and it shouldn't happen. we're so sick of it when in fact none of these people have testified once yet. take a look. >> right. >> would you like robert mueller
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to. >> how many bites at the apple do you get. >> now they have mueller go make a speech. now they wanted to have him again. they want to go it again and again and again. there's nothing he can say. he's written a report. the report said no collusion. and it said effectively no obstruction. >> john? >> well, instead of bites at the apple what they want to do is starve us of information except for their misleading remarks. and barr who is supposed to be our law enforcement agent is in fact a lawbreaker and he transparently does it for trump all the time. but the most disappointing thing i think in this entire game that they're playing, this obstruction, is that we have a former marine who ran an investigation for 22 months a large part of which we credit as obstruction and now he's part of the obstruction and as for semper fi, we thought he was going to be faithful to the law
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and his charge and by this time he would be telling us why he did what he did. instead he runs and hides and wants to give us an hour or maybe two. they made fun of hillary clinton who they questioned for eight hours and he can't come up to the hill and tell us what he did and why he did it and what his relationship was with the people in justice house apparently cut off his investigation and now they're strangling him. >> i said something that was mueller defensive in terms of the evidence earlier. i'm now going to say something bar defensive. they don't have public confirmation they cut off the probe. >> well, look it is a fair inference that they did. and the reason it's a fair inference. >> explain, yes, sir. >> i'm sorry. you can correct me, of course. but they stop an the water's edge of trump and the family and the fortune at a time when they've asked to continue the investigation for six months
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when they've investigated stone, where they've indicted him and searched his house and when cohen comes forward with all the information about a connection with wikileaks and then they close down the investigation and in the report that trump writes i'm sorry that, mueller writes, and quite a slip, that mueller writes, he says in the second part we didn't have a thorough fbi investigation of the conspiracy that we are calling collusion. these things are enormous and it seems to me that while nixon never got away with his cover-up, they're doing a really good job and the democrats are trusting them. my grandmother believed that wrestling was honest and it seems that no matter how many times these people shortchange the judiciary committee, they go go in again. we're going to do a take home exam. donald is going to answer 200 questions and she doesn't answer them and they're filled out by lawyers. >> natasha's reporting, i'm not going to ask your grandmother's
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position on the wwf. that's something that guests either brick up on their own or not. it's a personal call. it's why we love flannery. there's a lot of evidence that wrestling is not on the up and up. for folks watching who say okay, is this about the calendar and mueller is going to testify later, fine or is this about something more? what are your sources telling you? because we are hearing from the hill and i think the footage we showed at the top of the broadcast shows this, that it does look out of the ordinary. >> on the other hand, we've been told not to really read too much into it. we've been told this could be members do want more time to question mueller. but at the same time, maybe the 17th isn't a feasible date for them to do that. it could just be a scheduling thing. >> whying? the question is this is not like the beginning. this has been weeks of negotiation. they landed on a deal and announced publicly, it had a
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time frame and two subpoenas attached. so the notion that on the friday before as bill barr steps in that now there's this chaos does seem a little to use a legal term, err. >> you're totally right. i wish we had more answers right now but we're not getting anything from either committee at this point. >> matt? >> at the end of the day, mueller needs to show up and testify and needs to take questions from every member of these committees. as you point out, he's there is under subpoena not as a voluntary witness. witnesses under subpoena don't dictate to the committee how they conduct questioning. the rules of the house say every member gets to ask five minutes of questioning. there's no one who has more respect for bob mueller than me but there shouldn't be special treatment for the special counsel. he ought to take questions from every member of the committee. he ought to do it for judiciary and intelligence, too.
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>> you're echoing what mr. flannery was allude road lewding to. >> he has the leverage to say i'll fight the subpoena or ask bill barr to fight it. as you say, if the idea is no one above the law, that includes the president, includes the attorney general and also includes the special counsel. it does or doesn't operate that way. this is a fascinating mystery with mr. barr somewhere in the picture based on reporting. my thanks to john flannery and anyour grandmother since you brought her up. knowing you, i imagine he's a wonderful lady. >> she was a wonderful lady. she was something else, i'll tell you. >> tell us more about it some time over steak. matt miller and natasha bertrand, rest to your families, as well. we have so much more in tonight's show. i'm excited about it. a deep look how mule terror actually testifies is going to add a lot of insight with our special guest david korn activist taking to the street
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over planned immigration raids. something very important this weekend potentially. donald trump surrenders again today. that labor secretary is out after the epstein sex offender scandal. later in the show, we want you to see jon stewart today back on the hill going after mitch mcconnell on standing by the commitment this country made to 9/11 victims. we have a lot more in the show. i'm ari melber. you're watching "the beat" on msnbc. you're watching "the beat msnbc. award winning interface. award winning design. award winning engine. the volvo xc90. the most awarded luxury suv of the century. the volvo xc90. a peaceful night sleep without only imagine... frequent heartburn waking him up.
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new protests breaking out today for these planned i.c.e. raids supposed to target undocumented immigrants. trump has said they're coming before. he's saying they're coming again. meanwhile, mike pence touring a detention facility in texas and there was some staging on display. botches of animal crackers, fruit bars, diapers and socks which are some of the very items reported to be in short supply at these same centers. it's a contrast to the images the government watch dogs released which shows families on benches, children floors, overcrowding. >> there's no need for us to overcrowd and to detain and underresource. children being separated from their parents in front of an american flag. >> jacqueline who was aged 7
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from guatemala who died from while in our care. we do have a crisis at our border. it is one of morality. the trump administration dead set on sending a hate-filled message. >> joining me is nancy and the yag go, an immigration activist who served as an official in the obama administration and a first-time guest on "the beat." you've been working on the issues. thanks bore being here. >> thank you for having me. >> what is the significance in your view of the way these raids are promised, announced, hyped, then canceled, then now here planned again? how do you view that as a part of policy? >> well, it's part of the same type of haphazard policy making that's created the perfect storm we're looking at right now. so as you change things and you've not prepared your agencies or your communities to deal with them, we see what we're seeing right now. the struggle that i have is in
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addition to creating these haphazard policies having an impact on agencies and communities across the country, we're also terrorizing families. >> you mentioned families. there was an explicit family separation policy. under pressure it was set back many people doing the work you do say that was a positive step away from something that was basically child abuse. new house report out today we want to spotlight shows that this is not over. 18 infans and toddlers according to u.s. house, under 2 years old taken away from their parents at the border and kept part anywhere from 20 days up to roughly six months. >> including a newborn infant. these are the kind of things happening right now that continue to be abuses that folks are suffering in not just in detention centers but in the process. we're exposing people to drama and danger at different points in the trfs. they've already encountered a dangerous journey to get to us. they walk into what they think
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is a safe environment and they are again being put in challenges situations with no recourse and very little access to counsel. we know access to counsel makes all the difference in these cases. >> on the will they or won't they aspect, here was a trump border czar, ken cuccinelli. take a look. >> they're absolutely going to happen. there's approximately 1 million people in this country with remove orders. that isn't what i.c.e. will go after in this but that's the pool of people all the way through the due process chain. >> what are immigrant communities doing with that this weekend? does it feel like this is the time and how do they prepare. >> they've already started to happen. we have reports coming out of the bay area and not just people with deportation orders but collateral arrests around him. we got a report from the telemundo affiliate in florida. they're already happening. folks having sunday as this day
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they're preparing for and worried about. so we as activists and people in the community have been doing to try to educate people what their rights are. the an reality is there is a sense of dread and fear even eve for families that aren't in this dangerous situation but know they could be part of a collateral arrests that are happening. > thank you so much for happening. we have new clues on what mueller will say when he does testify when we're back in 30. n testify when we're back in 30. le on a full line of utility vehicles. at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. lease the 2019 rx 350 for $389 a month, for 36 months, and we'll make your first month's payment. experience amazing. we took everything you love about the bloomin' onion and created a menu you've never seen before. ♪ bloom, there it is! ♪ bloom, there it is! this bloom-ified menu starts at $13.99. and if you want outback at home, order now.
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it's friday. so can we talk about bob mueller, barack obama and teddy bears? because did you know president obama once accepted two fbi teddy bears from then director mueller for his daughter's sasha and malia. those are formal issue fbi teddy barpz it's a rare moment of personality that we saw from this largely stoic figure. we don't hear about this often. look at some of mueller's lighter moments. >> we would like to send you home with two official bureau teddy bears for them as well as t-shirt t-shirts. >> thank you for that very kind introduction. lady gaga. you have not heard the last of that. >> he's got jokes occasionally.
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whether bob mueller does testify to congress next wednesday which we're being told is still the government guidance or later, we don't expect to see that kind of mueller. in fact, we reviewed his 60 some congressional appearances and found he was unwavering, at times strategically evasive. eknows what he's doing and he is quite careful under oath. now we turn to someone who has been on the mueller beat since before there was a mueller probe, david korn. you're a great expert to have for this preview. thank you for being here. >> happy to be here. >> let's start with the fact that being evasive doesn't mean you're untruthful. bob mueller we found was often evasive in some of these hearings around key questions. take a look. >> uh-huh. i think it would depend on the circumstances. i can't say with definitiveness now at this time i would.
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this is a difficult and complex question that we're wrestling with. >> i hesitate to speculate because i have just a piece of the puzzle also. >> i would have to chicago to make absolutely certain. let me check one thing if i could. yeah, and i will review that answer. >> it's very difficult to generalize or to reach some sort of understanding or make progress with that generalization. >> is that what we expect to see at the hearing? >> when i think about the testimony that i assume is coming next week or maybe the week after, i think of three words. within the lines. now, the interesting thing is, whose lines? bob mueller's lines. what is he now? he's a private citizen. he doesn't work for the government and doesn't have to follow any ordersed from attorney general barr but it's clear from the statement he gave when he gave a nine-minute press conference a couple weeks ago that he believes he should be
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circumspect in talking about the piece of work that he delivered to the congress. >> and he has long been that way for people who think oh, well this is about special counsel mueller. he had a different view than even people who head the very same posts. we did an apples to apples comparison of something you also cover. you covered the bush administration and wrote about many of those scandals. when james comey was a part of the infamous spying hospital room scandal, he was much more forth coming with congress than mueller. >> this is a great moment. >> take a look at the comparison. >> i raced to the hospital room of mr. ashcroft was lying down in the bed. the room was darkened. >> it was out of the ordinary. >> i prepared a letter of resignation intending to resign. >> i don't believe it's appropriate for me to get into conversations i've had with principals on that issue. >> one is a dramatic account. and he was far more comprehensive in talking about
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it, jim comey and the other is sergeant joe friday, just the facts maybe not even just the facts. if i don't believe these are appropriate facts to share, i'm not going to share them which is why thinking about his testimony he certainly will put a public face to some of i think the very bold findings within the mueller report. but whether he goes beyond that, whether he shares any evaluations and anything that he thinks it personally about what he found is, i think they're going to have a very hard time pushing him. on the other side, you're going to have all these republicans who say they're going to be gunning for him. i'd like to see jim jordan gun for a marine veteran bob mueller. they're going to say that. he's pretty unflappable. he knows what the lines are for him. he has a lot of control. but i don't think we should be looking at this moment as necessarily a pivotal moment because of these reasons. >> this brings meese to something i know and you know i love you but people say that you
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bring music into things too much. >> i know. >> people say that about you. >> all the time. >> but if comey and some of these other witnesses are the grateful dead and they will jam through the hearing for hours and see what
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>> i don't think senate oversight is worth a tinker's damn. >> i am make a distinction, senator, if i might. i'm saying in the case where there's been a request for this memorandum, i would expect that the request of the committee to get this memorandum would be accommodated. >> well, mr. mueller, that doesn't, answer the question at all. doesn't answer the question. you know, the great rapper david byrne of talking heads once said facts don't do what you want them to, right? so we have a situation where i think mueller is going to stick to a very limited viewing of the facts. and people are going to ask him to macon collusions or draw observations based on the limited set of facts and he's probably going to say no to that. and what recourse is there if someone pushes him the way
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specter did there to go beyond that. so it's going to -- i think he's going to get it from both sides and it's going to be in some ways very dramatic but ultimately maybe not that satisfying. >> you know what david byrne also said. >> psychokiller? >> take me to the river. >> we'll go there. >> drop me in the water. hey now. >> hey now. >> hey now now. >> yes. but al green said it first. >> it was -- that's an al green cover? >> you did not know that. >> i didn't know that. >> you got to go back and listen to al green doing it. >> the reverend, the reverend al green. >> yes. >> wow. you know what? that's david byrne. this is david korn. and we also have david cross, the comedian from "arrested development." do you know him? >> yes, i do. >> would you do a fallback friday with him later on today. >> i would be honored. >> stick around. >> i will be sticking. >> stick around for more davids. when we come back, donald trump
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trump hit with a big loss today surrendering to pressure to oust his labor secretary over treatment of jeff epstein. secretary an costas striping to defend himself wednesday. by friday morning he's toast. his team said this week there was "zero chance he fires acosta right away." it turns out zero chance more like 100% chance. this loss comes a day after
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trump defeated on the court battle over the census following months of bluster where he claimed he wouldn't reminder. a reminder of one principle from our colleague rachel maddow. >> don't listen to what they say they're going to do. look what they're doing. don't watch what they say. watch what they do. we've taken it as a general mantra to watch what they do, not what they say. watch what they do. >> watch what they do. this came in part in response to intrepid reporting by "miami herald" journalist who who exposed the depth of the scandal plus prominent democrats who press and demand acosta's ousting. i'm joined by neera tanden who worked for obama and clinton. great to see you. >> great to see you. >> how do you view this as a story of iging most of what the prowse says and looking at facts as they piled up? >> i think three years into this or 2 1/2 years into this, most of us recognize that whatever
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the white house background has 10%, 20%, 30% chance of being true a day, two days, three days or sometimes a few months later. so i think the question is really why is there any credibility given to white house statements, white house background. white house you know, senior aide says when it's so often proven to be false as acosta saw himself this morning. >> do you view as a student of washington who has been in these high pro phi positions and most people have not, do you view this as something that would have happened without that "miami herald" reporting that i mentioned? >> oh, absolutely not. of course, donald trump himself if anything has shown a blind eye to this kind of scandal particularly scandals that affect the treatment impact the treatment of women. and so i think it was really just the added detail after
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detail after detail. and the incredible reporting just about how much acosta acted to protect epstein. it's not that he just didn't prosecute but the way he handled this, it really created security for epstein against future prosecution which took years as we've seen now, years for a better and more able prosecutor to pierce. >> so how do you view this, i don't know if cap identifies as in the resistance or not but you're very powerful. >> more in the resistance than not. >> you're a powerful norse in washington. i'm sure you hear from people, i do anecdotally, quote, nothing matters. okay they reported a thing that is outrageous scandalous, terrible. what's it going to lead to. the "miami herald" and i say this out of respect for them. it's not like they had the largest most well funded megaphone in the world but they
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did dogged reporting, print reporting. that drove something. how does all of this in your view relate to the larger political project which is a world where people are exhausted and cynic al at times. >> this is an incredibly important point. you see a lot of this. a lot of people are just sort of bogged down by the terrible news, the scandal, you know, many people sort of thought of the reporting on epstein which is particularly horrifying in its predatory nature as almost part of the haze of scandal. what i think is really important with this and with the census is trump can be be forced to be backed down by public scandal and actually by the courts. that resisting, opposing, energizing people can actually have real results. particularly as we have news of these horrifying detention
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camps. i do think people are so incredibly wary. but acosta learned that it actually matters that you have a level of scandal that you know, even trump can be forced to act. >> right. as you say, all indy indication with zero% quote trump wanted to back him up, give a press conference. doesn't matter what you say, put it out there. no, you're fact checked by reporters and other experts and it overwhelmed him. that would seem to be important. i say that as an observation about the substance, not of course, the wider politics of it which is why we thought you would be interesting to hear from on this. >> i'll say one additional point. i do want to note the heroism of the women coming forward. i think that also contributed to the fact. the fact that you heard a woman in her voice talk about what happened to her. she's a hero. these women are heroes.
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those voices made this change happen, as well. >> yeah, 100%. when i'm referencing the miami piece it quoted on background anonymous liam of those people many came forward including to savannah guthrie. thank you, neera. >> great to be with you. >> we're going to fit in a break and something i promised you we'd show you we're going to show you. jon stewart dropping the mamer on mitch mcconnell. later a very special fallback friday with david korn and david cross. pecial fallback friday with david korn and david cross. who used expedia to book the vacation rental that led to the ride ♪ which took them to the place where they discovered that sometimes a little down time can lift you right up. ♪ flights, hotels, cars, activities, vacation rentals. expedia. everything you need to go.
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today the u.s. house voted to renew funds for 9/11 victims and in this was the scene as first respond serious lobbieded with comedian jon stewart. there have been years of emotional pleas for congress to act ander. thely support the victims. the momentum comes after some. >>ing with senator mitch mcconnell who then responded to the pressure today saying the senate will consider this bill "soon." jon stewart reminded americans about the issue in a blistering and often emotional round of testimony just last month. here's what he just told msnbc's andrea mitchell today flanked by first responder john feel. >> it's in sight but not done. i don't think any of us feel comforted. we want to make sure we have a deadline. the senate majority leader said to them personally this would be done by the august recess.
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that's august 2nd. so we're going to hold him to that word. they're still arguing about this pay for and this is either necessary or it's not. and it's necessary. it's nonsense. and it has to stop. >> keep your word. >> your word was this passes unattached as a stand alone bill fully funded, no questions anymore. this is like john has plowed the field. everything's been done. letter's been written, put in an envelope, the stamp is on it. all the senate has to do is mail the let per that's all we're asking them to do and they should do it by august 2nd and let's be done with this. keep your word. >> keep your word and mail the letter. we're going to stay on this story and see what mitch mcconnell's senate does. when we come back, we'll answer the age-old question. let's take a look. what happens when two davids and an ari walk into a news room.
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role of tobias from the hit show "arrested development." >> michael, look at you. i mean you're holding a sledgehammer. your shirt is -- oh, i did that. >> ah, the clumsy adolescence. it's a phase we've all been through, except for me. i was like a cat. >> tobias was sent to maggie's house to steal evidence. >> he has a new comedy special out now called "oh come on" and i'm joined by david corn from mother jones. he received a george polk award for breaking that very influential mitt romney 47% story back during simpler political times. good to see both of you. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> david corn, who needs to fallback? >> well, remember paul ryan, speaker of the house? >> i do. >> every time that trump did something wrong, lied, acted
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ignorant, he was nowhere to be found, didn't say anything. but this week we learned that for an interview in a book that's coming out i think pretty soon, he said that he believed trump was a -- well, he said not a good person. he was ignorant about government, and that ryan himself left the job, have i indicated the job because he couldn't stand working with donald trump. now if this isn't one of the biggest so now you tells me in the world, i don't know what there is, but i have to say for this profile in cowardice, for speaking out when it barely matters, paul ryan should fall back. >> and you think this is clear that it's ryan playing politics because he wants this to be in the book? >> well, that's a good question. i think we're going to see a lot of maneuvering on the part of republicans. it may go on for the next couple decades. >> yeah. >> i was not really a trump fan at the time. >> right. >> this is the beginning for him. >> david, this is the question of whether donald trump is sort
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of the tequila of conservative america and you unleash it and you act a certain way, but when you're all over the next day, that was the real me, or i don't know what that was. >> well, they're all lying and duplicitous and disingenuous. it's only to support their agenda. agenda and, yeah, just to keep working and so, you know, become a lobbyist and sell books. >> you find it pathetic? >> it's a bad way to be a human being i think. >> i think that's very clearly put. who's on your fallback list as the great artist as you are? you're not as obsessed with this politics stuff as we are. >> i was going to see neo-nazis being welcomed to the rose garden, but i think this is more important. i've been out. the reason i have this crazy beard is i've been in the woods
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and shooting, so i didn't have any -- shooting a movie, not shooting. >> not shooting bear. >> so i didn't have -- i had no internet and wasn't privy to a lot of the news items. but more important i think really, because your producers gave me some stuff to pick out, this photo shows a black bear relaxing at a new hampshire hotel. there you go. >> oh, he is chillin. >> we've all seen that enough. okay. take that off. put it on me. now more importantly, as you read this article, then forget the black bear. get a close-up on this. please. where do i go. >> there you go. >> gym photos that you have to see to believe. what? who -- is getting away with this? that there are gym photos that have to be seen to be believed. you wouldn't believe what's happening in the photo unless
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you saw with your own photos. this is outrageous, america. this is not the america that i want to live in. so that's got to fallback friday. >> the bear, the bear might be interested in that because it's click bait. >> that sounds vaguely sexual. >> it's a joke about bait. >> baiting bears. >> oh, boy. >> in the woods. >> see? i'm not -- >> i joke was so bad a comedian didn't even get it enough to make fun of it. that's how bad it was. why are you laughing now? >> i'm laughing at you, not with you. there is a difference. there is a subtle difference. >> is there a difference? >> yes. >> big difference. >> yeah. >> anything else need to fall back? >> well, there is that putin stake thing, do you have a picture of that? >> let's see that. >> no, they didn't have it
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ready. >> we have it. they have it. >> guys, this is live. t minus five. there it is. now consider your sources. that's from "the sun," you know? well, you can see the picture. does it look like putin to you? >> i think it does. but clearly, they -- somebody manipulated that. there is no way. >> you know what david corn's critics say, they say he is obsessed with russia. so you see putt international the everywhere you look, even in the meat aisle. >> i don't know how to respond to that, but no, i have not seen putin in either bacon, chicken, fish or tofu. >> what about mother mary? what about mary or jesus? >> or peter, paul, and mary. >> oh, boy. i'm just trying to keep up with ari here. >> i've seen -- yes, eve seen a
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visage of peter, paul and mary on a bank in virginia beach. >> you said something earlier, comedian david cross, which is true, this show is live. >> yes. >> and now it's over. >> so it's no longer live. >> now we're overdue. >> it got canceled? >> david cross, big fan of your work. appreciate you being here. >> always a pleasure, sir. >> david corn. that does it for us. "hardball" starts now. witness tampering? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm steve kornacki in for chris matthews. we have breaking news tonight in the jeffrey epstein case involving possible efforts of witness tampering, and another major sp


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