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achieved power, and risen against the odds to achieve a level of the american dream. >> these struggles will not be solved in two years or four years. it will take our whole lives, but this is the fight r for our lives. . this is the fight of our lives. the mueller thing never stops. >> this is the mueller report that's held the country in suspense for two years. >> it has a lot of jute jewsy stuff. >> it's a document that divided the country. how russian operatives hacked into our political system. >> we had a hostile foreign adversary influence the outcome of our election. that should be chilling for every american. >> a 22-month probe asking whether a future president was part of the plot. >> the president did not commit a crime. >> russia, if you're listening.
>> or obstructing justice. >> mueller was saying that the president attempted to obstruct justice. >> very few have read the whole thing. on the eve of ro merit mueller's testimony, our experts poured through all the pages. >> hello, if there was a time to know what's in the mueller report, it's now. it's highly anticipated testimony. mueller is speaking under subpoena. the report is his testimony.
>> our investigation is complete. >> in late may robert mueller made his first and what he hoped would be the last marks into russian meddling, potential obstruction and the mueller report. >> we chose those words carefully. >> reporter: mueller resisted demands to testify before congress until two congressional subpoenas compelled him to agree. he will appear on wednesday. mueller's testimony comes in the shadow of the first person to see the long awaited report. trump attorney general william
barr, who took the unusual step of summarizing the report weeks before it was released and again when it came out. shaping public perception and defend iing donald trump. >> the deputy attorney general and i concluded that the evidence developed by the special counsel is not sufficient to establish that the president committed an obstruction of justice offense. >> the attorney general characterized the report as saying there was no obstruction. yet we know from the report that there are at least ten examples of chargeable offenses of obstruction of justice by this president. >> i think it was certainly the attorney general's expectation that if he could get out ahead of the report, if he could mischaracterize it in a way that supported the president's narrative, the report wouldn't make as much of an impact. >> the president's opponents -- >> amid-the noise swirling around the mueller report, the question remains what's actually in it. the document is a daunting 448
pages, the result of 22 months of scrutiny by a staff of 19 lawyers and 40 fbi personnel. to gather evidence, the team issued 2800 subpoenas, nearly 500 search warrants and interviewed close to 500 witnesses. 34 people in three companies were indicted of charges ranging from head thing in the election to witness tampering to lying to the fbi. >> 10% is hidden through redactions. >> the third was investigative techniques. >> harm to future investigations or ongoing investigations. >> early on in the report the search for answers was hampered by witnesses who were less than truthful. >> several individuals affiliated with the trump
campaign lied to the office and the congress about their interactions with russian affiliated individuals and related matters. those lies materially um paired the investigation of russian election interference. >> trump himself refused to sit for an interview. and according to mueller provided incomplete and inprecise written answers to a series of special questions. throughout the 20 responses the president provided, the report states trump wrote he did not recall or remember or have an independent recollection on more than 30 occasions. >> it's clear that they did not find everything they wanted it find. there were questions that were unanswered. >> it's got flaws, but it's likely to be the only official word we're going to get. >> mueller broke the report down to two volumes. volume one explores two questions critical to our democracy.
how russia attempted to influence the 2016 election and did the president or his campaign conspire with russia in the process. the second volume addresses another question that's just as explosive. whether or not the president obstructed justice. >> it was a complete and total exoneration. >> roll one begins with a sobering description of russia's attempts to influence the election. the russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and system issic fashion. >> it influenced the election. that should be chilling for every american. >> reveals how the operation pursued goals on two fronts. social media propaganda to d disrupt and divide the voting
public and a series of sophisticated criminal cyber attacks on democratic party systems. >> it was the cyber warfare and information warfare equivalent of this country. >> investigators traced the operation to this nondiscrypt office building in russia. the internet research agency was actually a russian troll farm with close tie tots kremlin. its mission, turn out fake content to attract and influence american audiences. >> they want to create upheaval and they want to sew discord and they want to create a kind of violent conflict of views where people feel democracies is eating itself from within. >> reporter: the ira employed hundreds of millennials who trolled the internet day and night. >> they answered a job ad and took a job trolling on social media.
>> alex sta months was facebook's chief security officer during the cyber operation. >> they hired young russians with western language skill who is then study western society by watching television, watching movies and reading our online postings and then trying to turn around those issues and amplify them. >> as the presidential election approached, internal ira documents showed the russian hs taken sides. >> we're out 2016 ira account pub lushed support iing the tru campaign. >> it's very likely that the russians assumed like the entire american political establishment that it donald trump wasn't going to be elected president. that hillary clinton would probably win. but if they could weaken clinton, if they could undermine her credibility, that would serve their aims when she became president. >> pages 14 to 35 of volume 1
meticulously detail ira tactics posing as americans, trolls created fake hash tags and posts on facebook and twitter. >> they created a assume of content against hillary clinton. it you think hillary clinton was a criminal, they gave you that information. if you thought donald trump was your savior, they gave you that information. >> once the russians had had created these personas and group, they began promoting fake trump rallies attended by unwitting americans. >> people showed up at rallies thinking they had been organized by fellow americans who were trump supporters. >> events that showed the reach of the russian social media campaign. but as volume one of the mueller report reveals, fake rallies were just one phase of the russians far reaching and pervasive plan to undermine our democracy. coming up, imagine if you wound up in the mueller report. victims of the russian cyber
operations tell their stories. >> strangest thing i ever been involved with. this comes out using my dad's picture for trump. >> they very selectively leaked day after day the contents of my e-mails and some of the other people on the campaign who had been hacked. n the campaign who d been hacked. ♪ how do you like it, how do you like it ♪ all you can eat is back. how do you like that? applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. whoa. travis in it made it. it's amazing. oh is that travis's app? it's pretty cool, isn't it? there's two of them. they're multiplying. no, guys, its me. see, i'm real. i'm real! he thinks he's real. geico. over 75 years of savings and service.
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we know from volume one that the russian influence operation led by the internet research agency exposed millions of americans to fake content intended to disrupt and con tuesd tuesday. >> 126 million americans may have seen some form of this information. >> without realizing it, some americans even got caught up in the russian operation. as describe d on page 31 of the mueller report in october 2016, russian trolls used this
photograph of a west virginia coal miner to promote a pro trump rally led by a fake group called miners for trump. >> the thursday that the mueller report was released, i got a call from my daughter. >> labor photographer earl dotter took the portrait in 1976. it made the cover of "time" magazine. >> she said, dad, did you know you were on page 31 of the mueller report. i said, i had no idea. >> ronnie hipshire is the son of that minor, a staunch democrat. >> strangest thing i ever been involve d with. this comes out using my dad's picture for trump and i would never agree to that. >> the mueller report documents how that propaganda spread from everyday americans seeing it online to leaders of the trump campaign, including donald trump, who shared and retweeted
posts from those russian accounts. >> the report says the president himself was retweeting posts by russian media propaganda officers. >> the one that i love is putting out all sorts of wild stuff with conspiracy claims, making digs at the clinton campaign. >> on october 15th, 2016, brad a digital media director for the trump campaign retweeted the account. thousands of deplorables chanting to the immediamedia "t truth." retweet if you're done with biassed media. according to the report,@ten gop was controlled by russian trolls.
>>. >> kellyanne conway, michael flynn, they all retweeted this phoney russian troll account. amplifying its message. >> they were being played by the russians. >> at same time the ira was flooding social media, the mueller report described a sikd flank of the operation. sophisticate d cyber attacks automaticed at targets and run get the gru, russia's kwi lent of the cia. >> these are military people using the full scale power of a foreign government to break into the computer of a private, political group. >> 29 pages of the mueller report detailed the hacking and dumping operations of two gru military intelligence units. unit 26165 specialized in
hacking computer networks and stealing data. unit 74455 was responsible for dumping or distribution. together the two units hacked the democratic national committee and democratic congress thal campaign committee computer systems and dumped hundreds of thousands of stolen documents and e-mails including internal strategy, fundraising data and opposition research. >> my first thought was this is watergate. they are breaking into and carrying out a cyber burglary. >> three day bfrs the democratic national convention on july 22nd, 2016, the russian operation with the help of wit ki leex dropped a political bomb shell. >> this weekend wikileaks released 20,000 e-mails. some of which seemed to confirm what a lot of people had suspected. the dnc was playing favorites with hillary clinton over bernie sanders. >> on page 45 of the mueller
report, private messages over twitter between wikileaks and russian opera tufs released an interest in the stolen information and causing conflict in the democratic party. >> wikileaks explained we think trump has a 25% chance of winning against hillary so conflict is interesting. >> she was hillary clinton's director of strategic communications at the time of the dnc hack. >> you had outside forces like wikileaks that were trying to perpetuate discord and dysfunction between two people who really should be coming together and unify iing the democratic party. >> the idea that inside the dnc, which is supposed to be neutral, the thumb was on the scale for hillary clinton. >> that's where you got your split between bernie sanders supporter and hillary clinton supporters. and the u.s. news media ate it up. >> the next thing i know i've
got bernie bros, trump supporters, just crazy people calling me and saying every word you can imagine under the sun and then hanging up. it felt violating to me. we were all on edge after that. >> but the dnc hack was the tip of the iceberg. the russians were just getting started. coming up -- >> they very selectively leaked ta after day the contents of my e-mails. nts of my e-mails. hi. maria ramirez! mom! maria! maria ramirez... mcdonald's is committing 150 million dollars in tuition assistance, education, and career advising programs... prof: maria ramirez mom and dad: maria ramirez!!! to help more employees achieve their dreams. ♪ ♪
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robert mueller's report lays out the scope and scale of russia's interference in the 206 election. >> the russians hacked our election. they created a tsunami of content in favor of trump and against hillary clinton. >> president trump rejected the idea that russia played any part in his victory. >> russia did not help me get elected. you know who got me elected? i got me elected. russia didn't help me at all. >> again and again, the president said his campaign had
no ties to russia. >> i have no dealings with russia. i have no deals in russia. >> but the mooueller report documents meetings and links between russians and some trump advisers. >> one thing that's significant is the number of overtures that officials made to people in the trump campaign to try to make end roads and establish relationships with people in the trump campaign. >> pages 80 to 95 deal with trump foreign policy adviser's role in the investigation including what prompted the fbi's russia probe to begin with. papadopoulos bragged to a foreign diplomat in may 2016 about his contacts with russian intelligence. >> papadopoulos had a personal contact with an australian diplomat in london. they met for drinks. and he told him. he said, look, we may be able to get dirt from the russians. >> mueller found over 30
meetings by well over 30 people associated with the trump campaign, meeting with russians, so this is not a one off with george. this is a deliberate strategy to get help from any corner, even an adversary. >> mueller's report documents the interest in russia's hacking operation. >> part of the report that i found quite interesting was the section that dealt with the russian intelligence effort it is try to collect hillary clinton's e-mails. >> at a press conference in july 2016, candidate trump asked russia to get his opponents e-mails a potential crime which the trump campaign later said was a joke. >> russia, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are are missing. >> page 49 documents russia did not take it as a joke. it a a piered to act on the request immediately.
>> within five hours of trump's statement gru officers targeted for the first time clinton's personal office. after candidate trump's remarks, unit 26165 sent malicious links targeting 15 e-mail accounts to the do nan. that attack wasn't successful. heavily redacted passages indicate the trump campaign's intense interest regarding the hacked e-mails. >> the white house chief of staff for bill clinton. >> we sdil stil don't know the full extent of a a connection between agents of the trump campaign. >> page 54 shows how close mueller got it a potential
election conspiracy. >> according to gates, by 2016 the trump campaign was planning a press strategy, a commu communications campaign, and messaging based on the possible release of clinton e-mails by wikileaks. candidate trump told gates that more releases of damaging information would be coming. >> tells us that candidate trump there were efforts to release information that they were in in possession of stolen data and more of that would be released by wikileaks. >> then as page 58 of the report accounts, audio from the now infamous "access hollywood" interview with trump was leaked
to the media. >> the "access hollywood" tape comes out of saying things i shall not repeat. >> most people that would have been game every. >> 45 minutes later, the e-mails were released. >> they very selectively leaked day after day after day contents of my e-mails and some of the other people on the campaign who had been hacked. so it kept the sort of e-mail story alive during the course of october. >> the timing of the dump. >> they needed to create a distraction to prevent that in hurting candidate trump. >> between the trump team and the russians on the e-mail hacks. it does focus on the actions of the key trump campaign official. mueller tells us form er.
>> manafort also attended the june 2016 meet iing at trump tower. >> we know that russians were there and we knee why they were there. >> donald trump jr. said if it's what you say, i love it and let's meet. donald trump jr. showed up for the purpose of receiving disparaging information about hillary clinton. it's incredibly unpatriotic. >> as with so much with the trump campaign, you have questions about intent. was this an inept campaign leaning toward corruption. for many americans who read the report, the answers to that question are blurry. >> but the revelations found on pages 50 and 51 are clear. and couldn't be more alarm iing. russian hackers didn't just attempt to sway public opinion, in 2016 they tried to influence
the results of local elections by penetrating voting systems. >> the gru also targeted private technology firms responsible for manufacturing and administering election-related software and hardware such as voter registration software and electronic polling stations. >> it take it is down to a local level and suggests a capability. it clearly would have been far more serious than anything else. >> beyond identifying evidence, mueller says he didn't look into the success or failure of the russian intrusions since other law enforcement agencies were on the case. >> after 199 pages of findings, what is is robert mueller's conclusion on the trump campaign's role in russian election meddling. >> the most important part of the report is with respect to russia providing assistance to
the campaign in exchange for any sort of favorable treatment in the future. based on the available information, the investigation did not establish such coordination. >> mueller finds no chargeable conspiracy between the trump campaign and russia. >> it concludes that we weren't conspireing with the russians to swing an election so the mueller report should be seen even by the critics in the nay sayers as the conclusive word on the mueller investigation. >> it's good news for the white house. even if volume one of the report didn't go as far as donald trump and his attorney general claim. the volume two findings on obstruction caused an uproar that's still reverberating through the halls of congress and beyond. coming up -- >> he has this understanding of power. that you are with him or you are against him. power. that you are with him or you are against him. (vo) the insurance institute for highway safety
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here are the top stories. house chairman jerry nadler through the testimony wednesday, the house will make a public case for impeachment. the mueller report showed substantial evidence that the president committed high crimes and misdemeanors. tens of thousands marched in hong kong calling for an independent investigation into police tactics used during previous protests. the protests were over a bill to allow residents to stand trial in mainland china. now back to "the mueller report." volume one of the mueller report had good news for trump, volume 2 unloaded the bad news. substantial evidence of obstruction by the president raising the question how should our democracy respond to evidence of interference with the rule of law. >> our system is based on a certain is assumption. and that is that investigations
will be permitted to play out without interference by the public and specifically by those being targeted by the investigation. >> mueller documents ten episodes of possible obstruction by the president. in some he suggest there was not a clear case of obstruction, but in other key examples, mueller finds, quote, substantial evidence. >> article 2 of the constitution gives the president broad powers to run the executive branch. it doesn't give him authority to act corruptly and doesn't give authority to obstruct justice. >> the report presents a a series of encounters and events relegal vooeling a president angered by an investigation he could not contain. >> you see him reacting to challenges in front of him in trying to gain control of the situation. >> trump lost control through a key event. the recusal of his attorney general. >> i am now decided to recuse myself. >> jeff sessions recusal handed
oversight to another official with no ties to trump. sessions was bun oneself of trump's earliest endorsers and met with a diplomat that led the doj to recommend his recusal to avoid a conflict of interest. >> nevertheless, trump viewed sessions decision as a betrayal. >> the president also told advisers that he theed an attorney general who would protect him the way he perceived robert kennedy to have protected their presidents. the president made statements about being able to direct the course of criminal investigations, saying words to the effect of, you're telling me that bobby and jack didn't talk about investigations or obama didn't tell eric holder who to investigate. >> he has this coral yoeny. understanding of power. you are with him or against him. so he wanted an attorney general who would carry out his will
exclusively. to the exclusion of the task of the attorney general, which is to enforce the laws of the united states, whether or not the president agrees with. >> the report states the president direct campaign manager to deliver a message to the attorney general. according to to hhim, he dictat public statement for sessions to read in praise of the president and calling for a limit to the special counsel's jurisdiction. >> potus is being treated unfairly. he shouldn't have a special counsel because he hasn't done anything wrong. he didn't do anything wrong except he ran the greatest campaign in american history. i'm going to meet with the the special prosecutor to explain this is very unfair and let the special prosecutor move forward with investigating election meddling for future elections so nothing can happen in future elections. >> he is trying to restrict the
investigati investigation. >> he said he never delivered the message directly, but tried to execute trump's plot bypassing the toosk someone inside the administration. white house aid rick deerborn who are never followed through. the failure does not take trump off the hook, because enkefring to obstruct justice is a crime even when it doesn't work. >> the obstruction of justice only requires an endeavor, an attempt to obstruct justice. >> in a similar context, mueller examines a private interaction of february 2017 between the president and fbi director james comey. >> comey had been at the white house for meetings with national security officials with the president and after the meeting, the president clears out the room and says he just wants to talk to comey alone. >> yoem comey recalled trump
brought up his security adviser michael flynn. >> mike flynn had been fired as national security adviser after questions were raised about his contacts with the russians during the transition. >> volume 2 of the report, the president said, i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go to letting flynn go. >> comey does not commit to anything in the investigation, but when he goes home that day, he writes a memo about his meeting with the president. >> trump was more direct that spring. the report says the president asked comey to publicly announce that he was not under investigation by the fbi. comey didn't oblige and trump fired him in may. >> firing an fbi director is is politically a very difficult thing to do. especially because the fbi director is supposed to be in his post for ten years.
and left free of white house influence. so here was trump in the muld of an investigation into his campaign trying to get rid of the person leading that inquiry. >> i don't know whether the president was motivated by an entirely legitimate pure reason and improper reason or a mixed motive. >> the fbi chief exit set the stage for a major turning point in the investigation. >> we now have a special counsel to head the russia investigation. the man chosen for the job is not just any lawyer. he's robert mueller. >> trump reacted to the bomb shell twist by saying, oh, my god, this is terrible. this is the end of my presidency. i'm f'ed. jeff sessions was in the room.
>> history would tell you you're screwed when one is appointed. it took a big chunk out of bill clinton. he remains a president who was impeached. it led to nixon's resignation. it marred reagan's second term. as a matter of record, he was correct. >> i know that i'm not under investigation. me personally. i'm not talking about campaigns. i'm not talking about anything else. i'm not under investigation. >> throughout the spring of 2017 trump appeared to take solace in the belief he was not under investigation. and according to the report, had been given private ainsuranssury the fbi. he found out that was no longer true. >> the latest breaking news story of the night is "the washington post" report that special prosecutor robert mueller is now investigating the president for possible obstruction of justice. >> federal investigators had to expand because they kept hearing from witnesses about how the president in their view was trying to intimidate them or pressure them to do certain
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fury and frustration with the russia investigation. >> why did you take so long? >> mcgahn became mueller's star witness talking for 30 hours and earning 157 citations in the report, more than any other witness. >> mcgahn is a central witness and he's telling mueller throughout hours of testimony that he was pushed to the edge to try to help not only defend president trump, but manage the mueller investigation and to wipe the tracks clean whenever there was conduct that was questionable. >> in volume two on page 85, mueller drops a bomb shell. the president tried to get the special counsel fired. the kind of brazen act that undid richard nixon's presidency. don mcgahn testified after trump learned he was under investigation for obstruction, he called mcgahn at home on saturday, june 17th, and told him mueller has to go. adding, call me back when you do
it. under oath, mcgahn says he knew it was an order to fire special counsel robert mueller. >> the job of the white house counsel is not to serve as the attorney for the president, but rather for the office of the president to preserve that office and its integrity. don mcgahn stood up and said, i'm not firing the special counsel. >> as a skilled lawyer, mcgahn also knew acting on the order could put himself in legal jeopardy. he defied the request and prepared a resignation letter. >> it was not going to compromise what is a completely remarkable reputation for excellence by participation in something he did not deem correct. >> that evening mcgahn called top aids at the time, steve bannon, to announce his resignation. to avoid involving them in a potentially illegal order, mcgahn testified he didn't tell
them trump's exact words, but that he was resigning instead of carrying out trump's requested to do crazy [ bleep ]. they talked mcgahn off the ledge urging him to stay. things subsided until seven months later. >> the "new york times" out with a big story that donald trump ordered the fire iing of robert mueller. >> when "the new york times" broke the story of the demands of mcgahn. >> in january 2018, we reported that trump had asked mcgahn the previous sum isser to have mueller removed as the special counsel. that story set off trump. >> why did you want to fire robert mueller? >> fake news. >> in public the president denied it. volume 2 page 119 of mueller's report provides evidence that trump demanded that mcgahn say the times reporting wasn't true. >> shortly after the story broke, the president's personal counsel told mcgahn's counsel the president wanted mcgahn to
make a statement denying he had been asked to fire the special counsel. mcgahn responded that that aspect of the story was accurate and he could not comply with with the president's request. >> those are powerful words when they are brought to life. at the president of the united states asked someone to lie for him in a way to obstruct the investigation. >> it's probably the most serious example of the president attempting to obstruct justice, but once again, mcgahn refuses to do what trump wanted him to do. >> according to the report, the president kept the pressure on mcgahn, page 115 of volume 2 details how in early february trump asked rob porter to tell mcgahn to create an official record, a letter for the white house files, that he never directed mcgahn to fire the special counsel. >> asking people to change their
stories either orally or in writing is evidence of conscientious of guilt. >> order, who like mcgahn, spoke to mueller's team and said the president said smlg to the he da letter, maybe i will have to get rid of him. porter delivered the message, but began again refused to change his story or create an untruthful record. >> creating a false record is at the heart of obstruction of justice. this is one of the most significant instances of obstruction of justice in the mueller report. >> for reached a dramatic conclusion the next day. >> there is an oval office confrontation between the president and mcgahn and the president says, i want you to correct this. i never told you to have mueller removed. mcgahn again stands his ground and wouldn't do it. >> do those clashes as to the
criminal evidence against president trump. did the president obstruct justice? mueller declines to say, noting on the first page of volume two, doj policy precludes indicting a sitting president. it lays out examples of obstruction as well as others, but declines to conclude whether he committed a crime or not. >> while this report does not conclude the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him. >> no prosecutor exonerates anyone. >> mueller was hired to make the difficult calls. and he didn't do it. >> mr. trump came out immediately and said it was a slam dunk. there was no collusion or obstruction of justice. that's not what it says. it's important to have a better appreciate for what the special
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i hope and expect this will be the only time i will speak to you in this manner. i am making that decision myself. no one has told me whether i can or should testify or speak further about this matter. >> despite his intention to let the report speak for itself, after subpoenas from house democrats, robert mueller is ready to talk to congress, but not everyone is looking forward to it. >> i don't think that serves any purpose dragging bob mueller up if he is going to stick to the report. it seems the only reason for
doing is to create a public spectacle. >> the mueller thing never stops. there was no collusion and no obstruction or no nothing. how many times do we have to hear it? >> president donald trump continues to paint the appearances as part of a vendetta from political enemies. >> for never ends. it keeps going on and on. i have been going through this for 2 1/2 years. >> it took negotiations for him to agree to speak to the committees in separate sessions. >> mueller said his testimony is the report, but his voice provides the report with political weight, legal weight. it's not just a text on a page. it's the story to be told by an investigator who was there day in and day out. >> sorry mueller's report an exoneration as the president and attorney general believer or a road map for impeachment? page eight is a clear reminder
of constitutional checks and balances limiting the president's power. >> the conclusion that congress may apply the corruption laws of the exercise of the powers of the office accords with the constitutional system of checks and balances and the principal that no person is above the law. >> congress is going to have to investigate whether the president abused power or not. they have to dig into the intent. what was driving the decisions at the time. >> the calls for impeachment following mueller's testimony will definitely increase. it's just in the nature of the beast, the way that congress works. >> impeaching the president is an option the majority of democrats including nancy pelosi have declined to endorse. >> we have to consider whether this is the right thing to do when we know the result which will be the senate on a party line of basis will vote to acquit. >> outside of impeachment,
president trump could be facing long-term repercussions if he loses in 2020. the slat ut of limitations for obstruction is five years. he loses his immunity. he could be charged with he leaves office. >> trump's new attorney general william barr is probing the origins of the mueller investigation. >> congress is usually very concerned about intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies staying in their proper lane. i want to make sure that happened. >> at a senate hearing in april, he suggested the russia probe itself may have involved improper methods. >> the mueller report was not necessary because the investigation was not necessary. it's great that general and the department of justice is investigating the investigators. this country deserves to know how we got here in the first place. >> in a nation polarized by politics and the truth itself, his voice could stand out for
authority. >> we're don't trust our institutions and don't know if the attorney general is lying or not. we don't know when the president is telling the truth or if the fbi is corrupt or not. >> will mueller use his testimony to draw a line in the sand or leave it open to the interpretation. >> for you were asking him a question, i would ask him, why did you determine not to make a prosecution judgment. >> here's how i would ask the question. if donald j. trump was not the president of the united states, would you have enough evidence to charge him with obstruction. >> that's my testimony. >> bob mueller is one of the guys who said the thing speaks for itself. that's an honorable principal, it's just not a principal that exists in 21st century. nothing speaks for itself. he needs to speak. >> the mueller report in many
ways is going to form the first rough draft of the history of the trump e.r.a. donald trump knows that. it's narrative and important and it's in black and white. >> horrible knowing the person you love is dead. and then you are being looked at for it. >> imagine you are shaken in the dead of night. >> my ears were ringing. i thought i was dreaming. >> in bed next to you, your husband murdered. >> hard to get that one. >> yeah. >> and here's the twist. you are the suspect. >> it's the