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that does it for us tonight. i'll see you again if you tune in in to my show "the beat." >> "all in" is up next. tonight on "all in" -- >> there is no formal constitutional or statutory or even house rule for how an impeachment inquiry is to begin. >> democrats take a step toward impeachment. >> i would say we are an impeachment investigation. >> tonight, what we know about today's move by the judiciary committee. >> today we are filing an application for the grand jury material underlying the mueller report. >> as congress leaves for recess and the impeachment push grows. >> i must now support an impeachment inquiry in order to get to the truth for my constituents. then -- >> am i freaking out unnecessarily, or is this an
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extremely big deal? >> freak out. >> new pressure on mitch mcconnell after the bombshell revelations about russian interference in our elections. donald trump's new tortured legal argument to keep his taxes hidden. and my exclusive interview with the american citizen detained against his will by i.c.e. >> they're all people. we all deserve the same respect and the same treatment. >> when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. i said it before, but if you have one foot on the boat and one foot on the dock, you're likely going to end up in the water that is increasingly what it feels like the speaker of the house nancy pelosi is trying to pull off as she tries to slow a growing call for impeachment from within her caucus. here is the basic problem she and the democrats face. john harwood cites a democratic leadership aging. here is congresswoman katie hill who defeated a republican incumbent to win her seat saying months from now there may be a time she would consider
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impeachment. extremely gentle, extremely amorphous and ambiguous. one of her opponents calling her pretty mild statement divisive and dangerous. democratic leadership is concerned about the politics for those 30 to 40 front line members that constitute their majority. they worry that impeachment will hurt them politically. and let's be clear. it's not at all crazy for speaker pelosi to worry about that or to make that kind of calculation. a big part of their job, perhaps really the biggest part of their job when they don't control unified government is to protect her current majority so there can be one when and if there is a democratic government. on the other hand, impeachment is a constitutional duty. it is powerful legal force behind it because it is literally a specified power of congress in the constitution. house democrats are currently being stonewalled by a white house that refuses to hand over basically anything at every turn. it is generally the feeling of
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most scholars that if democrats weren't formally pursuing an impeachment decree, they would have stronger legal standing in the court. in fact, house judiciary committee committee chair jerry nadler himself said that on this show just last week. >> the courts have held our ability to investigate is at its zenith when we're -- when we're doing an impeachment. we can get information in a judicial proceeding. impeachment has been held to be a judicial proceeding or part of a judicial proceeding yes, that is valid. >> 16 information. that is grand jury information. so that brings us to what it look likes they have done today. essentially, democratic leaders are attempting to thread this needle and say we are not formally opening an impeachment inquiry and putting all of our at-risk members on the record about it, but who is to say what an impeachment hearing is anyway. we'll just investigate the president's high crimes and misdemeanors so we'll have a
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stronger standing in court. jerry nadler has filed a petition with the court for the grand jury material that underlies the mueller report. the reason that is significant is that grand jury material could only be given over in a few cases. one of those is in a judicial proceeding, and as nadler said, previous courts have ruled impeachment counts as one. this is how you get what we'll call schmimpeachment. tincture of impeachment, depending on who you have. >> we will proceed when we have what we need to proceed, not one day sooner. >> among other things we will consider are obviously whether to recommend the articles of impeachment. we may not do that. we may do that. but that's a conclusion at the end of the process. >> from my personal standpoint, i think yes in an impeachment investigation. >> but this the committee's own filing for the grand jury material, they say part of the justification for seeking it is because, quote, this committee is conducting investigation to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment. and now tonight, four members of
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the judiciary committee have penned a brand-new op-ed titled "while we're moving forward with impeachment." joining me philippe reines, donna edwards, ezra levin, the co-executive director of indivisible which is a progressive organization building a grassroots movement to defeat the trump agenda. congresswoman edwards, let me ask first your read on all this and how you view leadership's position vis-a-vis the polling, the politics, and protecting what they view as those 30 to 40 front line members. >> i think right now, i mean obviously leadership is in a bind. but it was really clear in the petition to the court seeking the grand jury material to enforce subpoenas that jerry nadler and the judiciary committee actually recognize that their strongest hand is in using the language of the constitutional and impeachment. otherwise, it would be difficult, more difficult to obtain that information.
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and so, you know, i think right now there is a growing call for impeachment. there have been a half dozen members who come out actually since the mueller hearings. i suspect that when members go back to their district, they're going to hear directly from their constituents that they cannot let this president get away with his lawless criminal behavior, and that will make a difference. when the speaker says that, you know, they'll act when they've got all the facts in hand. well, one of those facts is actually what she describes as public sentiment. i think at this stage it's really important for the public to rise up and demand that this president be held accountable and this process today begins that. >> so there is the chicken-egg issue with that, right, ezra? whether you're leading or following public opinion. and for people that are skeptical and make the case look, the better part of valor here is not to especially walk the plank with something high risk politically for what will ultimately almost surely be an
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acquittal in the senate. here is the latest polling today. i want to get your responses. 37% of voters said they support impeachment proceedings to remove trump from office, down 2 points from a january poll, and 46 -- i wish we had the other part. i think it's like 46% or 41%? 46% who don't want to start impeachment proceedings. >> yeah, you know, i think the striking thing about those numbers is they're far, far higher than the numbers for removing president nixon from office when the watergate hearings began. and i think this is a really key point that the purpose of impeachment proceedings is indeed to eventually lead to a vote on whether or not to impeach. but it's also to educate the public. and that's the really important piece here, that we need to be able to send a clear message to the public as to why are we even pursuing impeachment? what are the crimes that trump has committed? and that's the opportunity in front of the house judiciary committee to make clear.
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i wouldn't lose sight of the context we're in right now. yes, mueller just testified. but that's not the only important political event we're facing. today is also the start of august recess, congressional recess where members of congress all over the country go back to their hometowns. and i think democrats didn't want to go back to their districts without being able to say something. and jerry nadler deserves some credit. this isn't everything, but this is a step in the right direction where they're able to say yes we are starting to move forward on impeachment. >> here the tricky thing. trying to have it a little both ways, and not again. strategically, it's not crazy why they're trying to do both these things. they want the constitutional force of impeachment inquiry in the courts without getting all their members on the record at this point, right, on something that might not be popular in their district. the issue that becomes the moment of the thing, you can see pelosi is scared about this, right? you open an inquiry, and you find out more bad things about what the president did. the next thing you know, you're
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not controlling where it's going. >> yeah. i think what we're seeing here is what we've been reading about, which is that nancy pelosi and jerry nadler have been having conversations behind closed doors about disagreeing about what to do next. >> yes. >> now we're seeing it out in the open. now this is maybe the legislative version of taking to the streets for jerry nadler. but for what he did today, we might be sitting here saying impeachment dead. >> that's a good point. he did something just as the window was closing. >> he knew what he was doing. >> and he didn't do it yesterday. he did it a day after seeing the cumulative deflation of people like me who think my god, this guy has broken the law in so many ways. you have to do what's right. and he was talking to us. he was talking to his members, because, yes, while there have been somewhere between 6 and 10 that have come out for
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impeachment in the last 48 hours and the number is somewhere around 98 and 100 now, that's less than probably would have been, because there are people who don't want to stick their neck out. remember, this is not 100 people who are for impeachment and 135 democrats are against. >> well said. >> this is 100 who are willing to buck the speaker that is a big deal. and, you know, where we are now is better than where we were 12 hours ago. >> i'll say this, congressman edwards. this is jared huffman saying -- writing yesterday, prediction. weak of september 9th, that's when i project solid majority a tipping point. crashers pressure during august recess is key. lots of members are leaning. let them hear from you folks. the rule of law hangs in the balance. do you think this august recess really is key in that respect? >> well, you know, i looked ten years ago during an august recess, the tea party practically shut down every town hall meeting across the country. and i think that we're at one of those kind of moments here where it's really important for people out in the country to let their members of congress know that it is unacceptable for this president to get away with crimes.
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and that will be a really important moment. look, today one of the senior democratic leaders, catherine clark came out for impeachment. lisa blunt rochester came out for impeachment. these are not people who generally travel all the way on the left side of the spectrum. those things are really important. and it's important for people to hear from their members of congress. and let me just say this lastly. that jerry nadler here is really trying to galvanize what had been dead following the mueller hearings. >> that's interesting, yeah >> he is pushing the envelope right here. >> ezra? >> i totally agree. and frankly, i'm excited. look, it is so rare in american politics that if you are an individual in a community, you're looking at things and you're asking what can i do, and we're in one of those moments right now. donald trump doesn't care what
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you think. the democratic house leadership doesn't particularly care what you think. but you know who does care what you think? your individual member of the house of representatives. and if they're a democrat, chances are they're not yet out in favor of impeachment. but they depend on your vote for reelection and they're bound to be back home. so you got a shot right now over the course of the next few weeks to make clear with other constituents that they need to come out in favor of impeachment. >> but i just want to counter that. do you worry that the political analysis is wrong? do you worry about the fact that maybe you, ezra, and the indivisible folks don't actually have the best sense of what's going to help those 30 folks get reelected in the districts they won from trump? that this really would put them in a bad spot, that it might actually risk the majority? >> i think we have to consider all angles. but frankly, nobody know what's the future holds. what we do know is what donald trump has done, and we do know where the grassroots is on this. we know that people who were
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knocking on doors, making calls, sending texts, they voted in a house majority to hold this administration accountable. so if you want those people out knocking doors, sending texts and making calls to build the 2020 blue wave, you got to give them something. you got to actually say we're out here fighting for you. fecklessness and cowardice does not win elections. >> samuel moin had an op-ed making the case people have been looking for a white knight savior of the mueller investigation. they've been stumbling through this nightmare for a huge part of the country -- not all of it obviously. and they want to be saved. they want somebody to come slay the dragon. it's a mistake to think that way. its mythical, and that maybe the entire hopes and the impeachment, the only way to beat this guy is to beat him. >> there is a fair amount of fantasy going on. the notion of i don't want to see him impeached. i want to see him dragged off in cuffs. that's not happening. >> that's so ridiculous.
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>> but there are a fair number of people who keep moving the goalposts. have i the highest respect for her and i hope we do impeach because she'll be a great speaker, but nancy pelosi is doing a little of that too. here is the problem. you know, the question you just asked ezra about the political calculus, it is a valid conversation to have what is the calculus. the problem is people are not having an open mind. they're just saying 1998, bill clinton was acquitted. >> right. >> and nothing happened and the republicans lost. i just don't see that. >> that i agree with. i think that parallel is weak. >> a lot of people don't. people won't even entertain that. the person that believes that more than anyone is nancy pelosi. >> the other historical thing i've been thinking about, and this isn't apples to apples at all. in the fall of 2013, a massive fight opened up in the republican leadership over grassroots over a shutdown to
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repeal the aca. this is idiotic. this is suicidal. it's not going to work. and the grassroots said fight, fight, fight, and we don't care. the grassroots won and shut down the government. the polling on it was terrible and everyone said it is going to cost them. and a year later, not a single vote was cast in america on that shutdown. not a single one. people moved on to other things. people are thinking that impeachment is going to happen in the elections the next day. but that's not the way it's going to work. >> that's what happened in '98 where it straddled the midterms. we're a year away. >> yeah. >> a and the two previous impeachments have been three or four months. we could be done with this and have a whole year to get our act together. >> lord knows what will happen in that year. thank you all. choosing my car insurance was the easiest decision ever.
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there is nothing wrong with listening. if somebody called from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent. oh. i think i'd want to hear it. it's not an interference. they have information. i think i'd take it. >> yeah, maybe the norwegians just text the pres with a little dirt. you know, you read the text. this is how this week went. on tuesday, fbi director chris wray testified before the senate judiciary committee and said that russia is still intent on interfering in our elections. on wednesday, former special counsel robert mueller testified for about seven hours, largely about russia's sabotage of our campaign and election. and then yesterday, the senate intelligence committee released a stunning report on russia's 2016 election interference. and then following all that, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell blocked two election security bills yesterday. one of the bills, the duty to
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report act, required candidates and campaign officials to notify the fbi if they're offered foreign contributions or assistance. mcconnell blocked that bill too. it seems like that's the kind of provision he might think president trump would run afoul of, particularly because the president has said he would run afoul of it. but let's not forget that back in september of 2016, when the cia presented the gang of eight with its assessment that russia was at that moment intervening in that election to help donald trump win the presidency, president obama suggested putting out a bipartisan statement urging state and local officials to take federal help to protect their elections from russia's cyber intrusions. mitch mcconnell stood in the way of that statement. quote, according to several officials, mcconnell raised doubts about the underlying intelligence and made clear to the administration he would consider any effort by to challenge the white house bipartisan politics. joining me malcolm nance, author of "the plot to hack america." well, a lot happened this week,
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malcolm. what do you make of mcconnell's maneuvering in the last day or two? >> the only thing i can make of it is i have to go and look back at what precipitating event would make him not want to defend the united states from a russian attack. i don't like the word intrusion. what happened in 2016 was an attack. as robert mueller said, we're still in an ongoing attack. and the only thing i can think of is that oleg deripaska, one of the oligarchs who was implicated in the 2016 election activities, has promised to open an aluminum smelting plant in the state of kentucky, providing jobs in kentucky. anywhere else in any other point in history, that would be considered a bribe, especially when you consider the next immediate thing that he does is stops the united states from defending itself in cyber
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security and specifically stops to make it a crime not to report foreign contacts who are trying to impact our elections. >> but it also seems to flow is an even simpler explanation. he thinks it helps donald trump and the republican party retain power, that he wants to win again. it seems to me that to a lot of the republicans, it works the first time. they're now going to run again. they lost the popular vote by three million votes. maybe they can use a little help. >> sure. and obviously, no one is going to be held accountable for it if it turns out that russia does this again or china or iran or even worse. north korea, which has a pretty robust cyber warfare. >> they started the sony hack. they were the blueprint for this whole thing when they hacked sony. >> sure.
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and they could combined attack the american electoral process and throw it into chaos. you don't need to have donald trump have votes tallied for him. you need to make it appear that the democrats have done something and then throw it into chaos. >> right. >> and have the entire thing be what donald trump called it, a rigged process. mitch mcconnell as joe scarborough has named him has earned his title of moscow mitch. he either will stand up and defend this nation, or he should just admit that he wants moscow's assistance in this next election. >> there is also the question of just how extensive. obviously we know about the wikileaks, about the hacked emails. we know about the troll factories and all that. but the degree to which, you know, russian hackers were inside election systems, including efforts in illinois.
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this is a recap of the most to me unnerving part of that report, which specifically discusses efforts in illinois and an unnamed state too where details about meetings and security efforts mostly jive about what has been disclosed about hacking attempts in florida which matters a lot more for presidential election. senate and intelligence committee apparently unwilling or unable to provide more information. florida's politicians and election officials remain stuck in yet another guessing game. this just seems insane to me. like how is it the case that there is no coordination happening? >> well, it's not as insane as the fact that in 2016, i actually had the secretary of state of florida attack me for saying that their system had been scanned, their subcontractor had been scanned by russian intelligence. they said no such thing has happened. now we find every state that has happened. the russians are not stupid. they are doing what is an extension of the old soviet systems wanting to dismantle and
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destroy american democracy, and they have learned breaking the confidence of the fundamentals of american elections is the way to do it. so by going after every state -- we don't know if they planted trojan horses. we don't know if they have taken registrations and are intending to change them. all of these things could happen the day of the election or the week before the election and again throw us into chaos. that is their number one goal, and that works to donald trump's advantage. >> all right, malcolm nance, thank you so much for making some time. president trump and his administration and his lawyers are still doing everything possible to keep democrats from getting his tax returns. their latest ploy to keep the fax returns from coming out, next. they customized my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. then i won the lottery, got hair plugs, and started working out. and so can you!
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i want to say this to the television audience. i made my mistakes, but in all of my years of public life, i have never profited, never profited from public service. i've earned every cent. and in all of my years in public life, i have never obstructed justice, and i think too that i could say that in my years of public life that i welcome this kind of examination, because people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. well, i'm not a crook. i've earned everything i've got. >> i'm not a crook. that of course is one of the most if not the most notorious things that nixon ever said, a phrase that has been repeated ever after with a wry chuckle because of course if nixon was anything, he was crook.
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the funny thing is that speech wasn't about watergate or the watergate break-in. it was about his personal tax returns. and unlike trump, nixon ended up releasing his taxes. and not only that, when congress sent the irs request for nixon's returns in 1973, the agency turned them over on the same day, according to letters released by house democrats yesterday showing that contrary to the current treasury secretary claim, the current congressional request for trump's taxes is unprecedented. it is not unprecedented for a congress to request a president's tax returns. nor is it unprecedented for the irs to provide them. the house ways and means committee has asked for the president's tax returns under clear statutory authority and under subpoena. they're try two ways to get them. and amid continued stonewalling from the federal government, new york state passed a law allowing congress to get the president's state tax returns. well, trump's personal lawyers are now suing to prevent that from happening using a truly insane to my mind legal theory. here to explain the nick akerman, former assistant special watergate prosecutor.
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all right. so -- >> and it is truly insane. >> you're the lawyer here. that was my amateur diagnosis. >> as a legal phrase, truly insane. >> yes, truly insane. so you've got the law says, you know, the irs shall provide any of the returns the ways and means committee asks for. they asked for that. the government is saying no. so they're in court about that. then they subpoenaed. so there is a case about that. and then new york state said you know, we just passed a law. you can have the state tax returns. trump sued them. and one of the arguments -- >> preemptively, i might add. >> preemptively because it hasn't been turned over. one of the arguments this is unlawful violation of his first amendment rights, that it's retaliation and discrimination in violation of the first amendment, that it singles out president trump because he is a republican. because of his policy positions, his political beliefs and protected speech including the positions he took during the 2016 campaign. >> this entire argument is like the kibosh is put to it by this
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eastland case the supreme court came down with in 1975 saying that the debate and speech clause of the congress, which is in the u.s. constitution trumps any idea that you can question the motive of congress, as long as it's for a legislative purpose. and clearly, we've got the president of the united states where it's shown he has a long history of his family trying to avoid taxes, not to pay his taxes, being constantly audited. there is an absolute legislative purpose in trying to get to the bottom of this to determine whether there should be legislation requiring any candidate for president to turn over his returns. >> that's the federal case. i'm saying on the stateside, where you're saying you're discriminating against my protected speech rights. >> the courts have no business even being involved in that. >> right. >> that's what the supreme court has said. >> i see. i see what you're saying. >> so there are three different ways they're trying to get them.
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one of the things i sort of wonder about is there was a gap between the filing of the lawsuit to block new york state and new york state passing the law, and there are some people who say why doesn't richard neal on the ways and means committee get them from new york state. and the people are arguing if he does that, it might mess with the arguments he is making before the courts. do you think that's true? >> i think there is something to that. he wants to keep it a pure argument. >> right. if you get them you might complicate things in your court arguments if you get them from new york state. >> besides, the federal returns are better. there is more detail on the federal returns. and if i were the prosecutor, i'd want to get those, because michael cohen testified that donald trump had different financial statements for different situations. if he needed to have more money, then he would show that on a financial statement to a bank. it was the old paul manafort trip, his former campaign manager.
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when you need your taxes, you lowered your financial statement. when you didn't want to pay tax, you lower it and up it for the banks. so you do it both ways. and if you took all these financial statements, spread them out, put the tax returns together you would find major discrepancies would show that he lied to the banks or he lied on his returns or he did both. >> i think there is basically "the new york times" public report. there is reason to think that's absolutely the case. i guess my question is we saw robert mueller under question ing by sean patrick maloney saying look, i want to interview the president but he basically ran out the clock. he has been doing that for 40 years. there is nothing he wants less than people to see his taxes. i guess the question is are they going to be successful? can they run the clock out on this? their litigation against congress? >> they shouldn't be able to. this should go pretty quickly. because whenever the district court decides they're going to take to it the appellate court
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in the district of columbia, the supreme court is not going hear this. i mean, this is going to go pretty quickly. >> that's a lot of faith in the supreme court. >> after today, you may be right. >> just ruled that the president can start building his wall with pentagon dollars. >> right. i don't see this being an issue that the supreme court is going to look at. the statute is very clear. this statute goes back to calvin coolidge. this was enacted because of the teapot dome scandal. >> this is the language. upon written question, the chairman of committee on finance of the senate or the chairman of the joint committee on taxation, that is who requested nixon, the secretaries shall furnish sunshine committee with a return or return of such information in a request. and nixon turns it over the next day. nick akerman, thank you very much. >> thank you. ahead, my exclusive interview with the american citizen detained against his will by i.c.e. the stunning details. but first, fox news fails to bend reality enough to satisfy president trump. it is tonight's thing 1, thing 2, next. let's be honest, you need insurance.
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thing 1 tonight. it's the end of a long week. for the proud warriors carrying the president's water over at trump tv, with the mueller testimony driving trump nuts, the folks at fox had to work extra hard to spin for the boss man. >> even with this albatross around his neck, the president has once again beaten the elites at their own game. >> never meet your heroes. that's how the saying goes. they'll only disappoint you. well, that's true, by the way, as democrats across the country learned the hard way today. >> today's hearing capped off what will now go down in history as one of the single biggest, most epic embarrassments in history.
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>> democrats are such idiots. they call him to testify and now he's going to have to have a mouthpiece to help him. this guy was the director of the fbi. >> the channel really pulled out all the stops, even bringing in this dynamic young legal analyst to join the gang on trump tv and friends leading up to the mueller hearings. as it turns out, on closer inspection, it was actually the president's own lawyer in some sort of disguise. but today fox news had to release a 2020 poll and the audience of one was not happy. trump turns on trump tv. that's thing 2 in 60 seconds.
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one of the few remaining parts of trump tv is their polling operation. so when fox news conducted a legitimate poll with what appeared to be legitimate results, trump seemed to have a legitimate tantrum. we're not talking about the fox news poll results published wednesday on the economy. he loved that one. fox poll says best economy in decades, but then fox release these numbers yesterday. they're from the same poll
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showing trump losing in a 2020 matchup to joe biden by ten points, ouch, to bernie sanders by six points. and in a statistical tie with elizabeth warren and kamala harris. okay. now he hates the poll. and today trump hates trump tv. >> the president tweeted about the polling today. fox news is at it again, he wrote. so different from what they used to be during the 2016 primaries and before, proud warriors. now fox news polls which have always been terrible to me, they had me losing big to crooked hillary, had me down to sleepy joe. the fox news poll did have president trump losing to hillary clinton. and the fox news poll was accurate. the poll predicted hillary clinton would beat donald trump by four percentage points. so clinton would win the popular vote by a margin between 1.5% and 6.5%. she did. her margin of victory was 2.1%. close to 3 million voters.
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this was the moment when 18-year-old american citizen francisco erwin galicia was finally reunited with his mother after nearly a month in detention by i.c.e. for 23 days, he was offered no
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shower and says he lost 26 pounds. things got so bad that at one point he almost agreed to self-deport, an american citizen. we hear all this from him in just a moment. but this was him on wednesday morning at the mcallen texas bus station with his mom. "the dallas morning news" was first to break the story last week, quote, a dallas-born citizen picked up by the border patrol has been detained for three weeks. it was completely beyond belief an american, a teenager not accused of a crime who committed literally no infraction other than having the wrong skin color, the wrong last name could be held in detention without a trial for a month. here in the u.s., in texas, but it happened, and here is his story. francisco's mother is an undocumented mexican immigrant. she had him in parkland memorial hospital in dallas, texas in december of 2000. shortly after his birth, they moved back across the border to reynosa, mexico. should i tell you reynosa is a border town. it sits on the southern bank of the rio grande.
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it is literally across from mcallen, texas. the bridge separating the two towns is called the mcallen reynosa bridge. he stayed in mexico until he was 15 years old and then he moved back to the u.s. with his younger brother who is undocumented. on june 27th, francisco and his brother were traveling to north texas for soccer tryouts when they were stopped at a border patrol checkpoint. they were pulled over by customs and border patrol. his undocumented brother had no papers, but francisco did. knowing that checkpoint was there, he had brought with him a card version of his birth certificate, basically, a kind of short form certificate. he brought a social security card. he brought his texas state id. three forms of identification, all in anticipation of this checkpoint. and despite all that, border patrol agents accused francisco of not being a citizen. they threw him in detention where he stayed for 23 days. after two weeks his lawyers got them the full birth certificate,
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but it took another nine days until they let him out. francisco's case was raised by california congressman ted lieu on thursday during a house judiciary hearing with the u.s. border patrol chief, who said that francisco never told them that he was a u.s. citizen. but that appeared to be flatly untrue. his own lawyer provided this document, which is a citation issued to him that proves that he told authorities he was a u.s. citizen from the moment he was detained. after 23 days in detention in a small room with 60 men, no showers, no way to brush his teeth, francisco erwin galicia is out and has been reunited with his family. and for the first time, he will tell his story right here, next. i don't keep track of regrets. and i don't add up the years. but what i do count on...
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didn't believe his lawyer. he was released on tuesday this week. because he spent all of his life in mexico, he felt most comfortable doing his first taped tv interview in spanish and i spoke to him last night through a translator. here with me now is that american citizen, franciscoerwin galicia. francisco, first, i want to ask, how are you feeling now that you are out of detention. >> translator: well, much better after all of the suffering. now being able to be next to my mother. i feel much better. the truth is, it is the ability to be free. >> can you describe a little bit of what it was like inside detention, what the conditions were like, the food you received, the ability to shower, or brush your teeth, or things like that? >> translator: from my experience, we went through something inhumane, all of us that were in that detention center. we couldn't bathe.
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or brush our teeth. nothing. you didn't have anything. the only thing that they would give us from time to time to clean ourselves were wipes. we would wipe ourselves, but the dirt would stay. unable to come off our skin. they wouldn't clean us. and those wipes, they would give them to us every once in a while, every seven days maybe, or every three days, but we wouldn't shower. >> what kind of room were you in? >> translator: it was a small room. super small for the amount of people there. we were about 60 people in one small room that we would call a freezer, because, well, it's really cold. with one single bathroom for all those people. without beds. or anything. and we would sleep on the floor. in the bathroom, what separated the bathroom was a wall.
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about this high. it didn't cover anything. the room was so small, that there were people sleeping in the bathroom. so we would take turns to be able to sleep. >> people sleeping on the floor, sleeping in the bathroom, it was very cold, you had blankets, it was crowded, 60 people in the room. you were there for three weeks in that facility? >> translator: i spent 23 days in that place. and from there, they brought me to pierceall of a sudden ll texas, it a bigger detaining center, and i was there for around three, four days. >> i read that you lost 26 pounds. >> translator: yes, i lost around 26 pounds when i was in the detention center. for 23 days without eating well. the truth is, no one ate well.
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because there wasn't only me. there were many that suffered. >> i want to talk about what happened when you were apprehended, but one more question about the conditions. were other folks that were in there with you, had they been there for long periods of time, like yourself? >> yes. there were people there for some 30 days. including one for 43 days. there were people who were there way more time than me. i was there 23 days. there were people who had been there for much longer time. >> you were apprehended at a border checkpoint with your brother. your brother does not have papers. you do. you have them in your wallet. you had a birth certificate. a social security card. a texas i.d. when you presented them at the checkpoint, what did they say to you when you said i'm a u.s. citizen? >> translator: the moment when i
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showed my identifications and everything, they said that the documents were false, that i was not an american citizen, and they didn't believe me. i would tell them, after showing them all my documents that i was an american citizen, and they would still not trust what i said. and so they then decided to lock me up. >> so just so people understand, because you're speaking to me in spanish, born in dallas, a u.s. citizen, lived most of your life in mexico, recently come back to the united states, after being born here, and there were some papers, you had a travel visa, there were some papers that raised their suspicion. but today, an official with the u.s. immigration services, said that you never told them you were a u.s. citizen. is he telling the truth? >> translator: i presented myself at the checkpoint, i always said that i was an
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american citizen, and i showed my documents. they even charged me, they said my papers were falsified and i have proof because they can't convict themselves, because they charged me for falsifying my citizenship, and i am a citizen here. it doesn't make sense what they're saying. >> did you worry when you were in detention that you would be there forever, that no one would believe you? >> translator: yes, the truth is, i felt fear, that they would not believe me, and that they would leave me there for much longer time. being that i was able to prove it to them, and they still doesn't believe me. yes, i felt fear that they were going to deport me even. there is so much, the press put
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on me, to sign a deportation order, that at a certain point, i was about to sign it, because there was so much pressure that i sign it. >> can you describe what that, the pressure to sign, to deport yourself, what is that pressure like? what do you mean? what did they say to you? >> translator: well, it was more psychological. they said they were going to charge me, that they would insult me so that i would sign my deportation order, and well, it was all psychological damage. all that so they could pressure me to sign it. telling me they were going to charge me three felonies, that i would go to jail, all that, that it is better for me to sign, it was like they were going to deport me anyway. >> when finally, they came to release you, did anyone there say we're sorry that we made this mistake? >> no, no one.
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they just called me and said get your stuff together, you're leaving. i got my things together. they gave me my clothes, what i brought on me. and then the moment my lawyer got there, the media was outside, they told me, there's your lawyer, you can go. go with her. nothing. not one apology. nothing. >> for people that think it's important for there to be very strong border, border patrol, border checkpoints to be tough on people that don't have papers that are in this country, is there something you want to say to them about what happened to you and your experience? >> translator: don't be so inhumane. here, under god's eyes, we're all the same people, we all deserve the same respect and the same treatment regardless of your nationality. we all deserve the same respect. we're all people. >> francisco galicia, thank you so much for taking the time. i'm so glad you're out. and be well.
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>> translator: many thanks. with all my heart. i really appreciate it. >> and under god's eyes we all deserve respect. hard to argue with that. that does it for "all in." catch us every weeknight right here on msnbc. good evening, i'm thrilled to be here, there are exactly 465 days until the 2020 election. and tonight's show is a revolutionary theme with a message to democrats. start looking forward, not backward. and fight back hard. it's that simple. democrats have been looking back over the past two and a half years at the mueller probe. enough. no more whining. no more complaining. no more analysis. there are two take-aways from mueller moving forward, the president broke the law and can be indicted and put in jail after his office and our election process is open to foreign interference. and now time to fight to win. that's what

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