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signal. we're going to have great support and i think we'll have the support from the democrats also. [ inaudible question ] >> no, no, i never said what i'm saying now. what i'm saying -- what i said there you have tremendous opposition from many people on both sides. i see a better feeling right now toward getting something meaningful done, meaningful. and we did do things after parkland. but it wasn't to the same level that i'm talking about now. you know, we did do the fix knicks and various other things. we did do a lot of work after parkland. but i think noe now we have a chance do something much more meaningful. [ inaudible question ] >> having do, as you know, with background checks. >> mr. president, it's almost back to school season. what is your message to young children and teenagers who are anxious or nervous about going back to school after these mass shootings? >> well, my message to young children going back to school is
go and really study hard and someday you'll grow up and maybe be president of the united states or do something else that's fantastic. they have nothing to fear. they have nothing to worry about. in addition, we're in constant contact with state, with state governments and they are really doing a great job. we have this so much better than it was two 1/2 years ago. 2 1/2 years ago when i came in it was really not a good situation. i think we have a very, very good system right now. that doesn't mean that there's not going to be some crazy person, but that's what we want to do. we want to take the guns out of the hands of crazy, demented, sick people. [ inaudible question ] >> we're not looking at that right now. we're only looking at very meaningful background checks. i think it's going to happen. there's great, great support, but we're looking at very, very
meaningful background checks. [ inaudible question ] >> well, admiral, as you know, maguire, admiral maguire is a very talented man. he's a great leader, as an admiral is always a great leader. he is a man who is respected by everybody. and he's going to be -- for a period of time, who knows, maybe he gets the job. but he'll be -- he'll there for a period of time. maybe a longer period of time than we think. we'll see. we're dealing with senator burr. we're dealing with the committee. we're dealing with probably nine or ten people that want the job very much. you know the name of almost every one of them. they're truly outstanding. everybody wants dni, everybody wants it. and i will say that the admiral is such a great choice from the
standpoint of now. maybe he goes further. we'll see what happens. but we're dealing with the committee and senator burr. we have people all of whom you know, highly respected people. we'll be making a decision in the not too distant future. >> [ inaudible ] secretary of labor and when will you sent nomination [ inaudible ]. >> so eugene scalia is a highly respected lawyer in washington. his father, as you know, was the great, great, great supreme court justice. even the people with not his views would say he was a great gentleman, a great man. eugene scalia, gene scalia has a task career. he's our appointment for labor secretary. i think so far it's bns receiee received very well. he's one of the finest minds and lawyers in washington.
and i will say so far that's been received very well. >> on north korea, on north korea [ inaudible ]. >> yeah, he gave me a great letter. i would love to give you but i don't know, i don't think it would be appropriate. but it was a very personal letter. it was a great letter. he talked about what he's doing. he's not happy with the testing. it's a very small testing that we did. but he wasn't happy with the testing. he put that in the letter. but he also sees a great future for north korea. and so we'll see how it all works out. in the meantime, i stay again, there have been no nuclear tests. the missile tests have all been short range, no ballistic missile tests, no long-range missiles. we got back and we're getting back as we speak we're getting back a lot of our fallen heroes, you know that. they're coming back into and through hawaii. and we got back our hostages. i got the letter yesterday, it
was hand delivered and wasn't touch by anybody. they literally take it from north korea to my office, we have a system. it's the old fashioned system. you don't have to worry about leaks. something nice about that too. [ inaudible question ] >> no, he wasn't. he wasn't happy with the tests, the war games. the war games on the other side with the united states. and, as you know, i've never liked any of that. i've never liked it. never been a fan. you know why? i don't like paying for it. we should be reimbursed for it. but i said do this because this was a big test. this was a turnover of various areas to south korea. i like that because that's what should happen. [ inaudible question ] >> skrunts a warning to the united states and japan [ inaudible ] potentially everywhere in the u.s. what's your reaction to that?
>> well, i can't imagine to that but if they did that we'd just reciprocate. we are a very reciprocal nation with me as the head. when somebody does something negative to us in terms of a country, we do it to them. look, our country has been taken advantage of by foreign countries, even allies, including allies and more than anybody else. we've been take evening advantataken advantage of for many, many years, and it stops. it stops. >> mr. president, in your view, mr. president, should collin kaepernick get an opportunity to play in the nfl? >> only if he's good enough. >> is that it? >> if he's good enough. why he would play -- if he's good enough. and i think if he was good enough, i know the owners, i know bob kraft, i know so many of the owners. if he's good enough they'd sign him. so if he's good enough, i know these people. they would sign him in a heartbeat. they will do anything they can
to win games. so i'd like to see it. frankly, i'd love to see kaepernick come in if he's good enough. but i don't want to see him come in because somebody thinks of it's a good pr move. if he's good enough,er will be in. >> are you worried about -- are you worried about global markets bouncing back at all? >> the global markets are not as good as our market. our market has been really good. >> what about the effects of all that [ inaudible ]? >> it's never positive, although you could say it puts us in an even better position. i view it differently. most people would say that's a bad thing. i would say the fact that other countries aren't doing really well, china in particular, china's doing horribly. first time that anyone can remember. they can having a year like they've never had. almost, you know, go back 30, 40 years they're having one of the worst years ever. numbers are phony. they're not doing 6.2, they're doing a totally different number. >> what do you think they're doing? >> maybe neutral.
maybe even -- >> do democrats -- supporters white national icht, the white [ inaudible ] help you? >> i don't think it helps. i don't like it when they do it because i'm not any of those things. i think it's a disgrace and i think it shows how desperate the democrats are. look, right now i'm working with the democrats on meaningful background checks, that's the big thing. hopefully we can do something. i don't want to focus too much on that. i will say this. for them to throw out the race word, again, racist, racist, racist, that's all they use to anybody. they call nancy pelosi a racist. she's not a racist. they call anybody a racist when they run out of cards. eye winning in the polls, they're desperate, they've got lousy candidates. they got bad candidates. i mean, i watch the debates. i mean, i look, i look -- well, i mean, joe biden can't answer a simple question.
something's going wrong with him. i mean, the only thing is, i mean, a lot of people think that he was the one that wanted bob mueller to testify because it made joe look intelligent, okay. >> is your base supporting background checks? >> i think my base relies very much on common sense and they rely on me in terms of telling them what's happening. i think meaningful background checks, i don't just say background checks, because we passed background checks a number of times, meaning the -- but everybody knew they weren't that strong. >> you want to expand the law? >> i think meaningful background checks are a real positive. politically i can't tell you, you know, good, bad, indifferent, i don't care politically. i don't want to have crazy people having guns.
[ cheers and applause ] good morning, everybody, and quite a morning it has been so far. i'm in for craig melvin. you have been listening to president trump speaking on the white house south lawn before beginning a ten-day vacation at his new jersey golf club in bedminster, new jersey. the president touching on the trade war, saying what's happening with china is not good. he said the american taxpayer is not paying for this trade war, despite the fact that larry kudlow has said the very opposite of that. on the nra he said he has a great relationship with the nra, they're very great people. he said that he wants stronger and more intelligent background checks.
that he spoke with mitch mcconnell and mitch mcconnell is totally on board and that's a direct quote from the president. he also said he spoke with wayne lapierre which was reported built "washington post" a couple days ago and they're more neutral on the subject. it seems as if the president indicating that the nra will come around to any policy decision the president decides to make when it comes to gun control legislation. on joe biden he said he believes the former vice president is not playing with a full deck. we're going to get comments on that a little bit later on in the show. and on misasissippi and the i.c.e. raids, he says it shows if you come into this country illegally, you will be taken out. and course on north korea he talked about another beautiful letter, in his words, that he received from kim jong-un just yesterday. i want to bring if my panel. donna edwards, former democratic columnist. david jolly air former republican congressman from florida who is no longer a
member of the republican party. and jonathan la mere here on set with me, white house reporter for "the associated press" and msnbc political analyst. hans, you're at the white house. take us through it. >> i always want to yield to jonathan because there were five to six separate wire stories that came out of that presidential 30-minute exchange with reporters. i think the most important one is what he said on background checks. that's clearly what he came out to do, shift the narrative and indicate that he's willing to do something, as he said, close to two dozen times, meaningful background checks. now, just what shape that takes and when it takes place, will the senate do this in september when they get back i think is an open question. 24 hours ago i was in mitch mcconnell's home state and we were talking about what need to shift. something appears to have shifted the president. when asked by kristen welker what changed his opinion, he said the time. he said the senate's different. listen to his response on how he's talking about his
relationship with the nra. >> i have a great relationship with the nra. i have a lot of respect for the people at the nra. and i have already spoken to them on numerous occasions, numerous occasions. and, frankly, we need intelligent background checks, okay. this isn't a question of nra, republican, or democrat. i will tell you, i spoke to mitch mcconnell yesterday. he's totally on board. >> okay, so the other headlines in there, china, as you mentioned the president clearly indicating that he's not happy with the state of negotiations but he likes the fact that not just china's economy is hurting but the global economy is hurting. that's a novel approach to how you grow america's economy. it's a strong hint that we're going to have a third summit or 30 1/2 summit. then on joe biden he had this charge he's not playing with a full deck. he also said something that i'm pretty certain is untrue, and that is that robert mueller testified on joe biden's behalf
because biden wanted mueller to make him look better. that is not necessarily true. there's no indication that that's out there. that's a way the president gets in there trying to suggest that both bob mueller isn't fully in control of his faculties which is quite an allegation as well as joe biden. almost twinning the two of them together. and then he mentioned a little bit on dni on how he could have nine or ten candidates to be the next dni. a lot of news coming out from the president there. i'm sure your panel will be able to tick through everything if i missed something but it was our 30-minute prior departure press conference. >> yeah, before he hepds heads out out on a ten-day vacation. whatton that predicted, you said the president is headed out and has everything on his mind from north korea to the shootings from over the weekend, give me your take on what we just heard from the president over last 30 minutes or so. >> i appreciate hans' role as my
new assignment coordinator. there's no question, there's a lot on the president's plate right now. he leaves today for this controversial fundraiser in the hamptons. then he heads on to bedminster, new jersey, his golf club where he'll remain the next ten days. but this won't be a time to relax for the president. i'm sure he'll spend plenty of it watching cable news and golfing as he does, and no one's begri begrudging him on vacation. but he hit some optimistic notes on background checks, but few details. we know democrats are for it. it seems like there might be movement in the senate. mitch mcconnell, we need to here exactly from him what he wants. the president says the nra are on board, let's wait for them to say they're on board. certainly this president is so popular with republicans, if he were could come out and say i want this, that would give republicans a sense of cover to follow suit. but it is indeed, it's the north
korea, the president said he got another letter from kim jong-un this week that he said was very good, but north korea's still firing off rockets. they're still testing in defiance of what the u.n. wants. tension with iran has increased. and the china stuff. the president said he feels things are going in the right direction, but privately he's very frustrated with where things are. talks broke down in shanghai last week. there's been more tariffs slapped one way or another and it bears a real fear that if this slows down the american economy and undermines his best argument for re-election. >> i want to go around the horn here before we get into this. david jolly, i'm going to give you the floor next. >> i think what we saw was a fair amount of stage craft by the president when it comes to guns. when i mean by that is he is conflating several issues when it relates to background checks and greater gun control and he's making promises that are nearly impossible to ashiechieve legislatively.
when we had the debate over expanded gun checks or background checks, there's two issues. there's an expansion of the type of transactions the gun show loophole with unlicensed dealers or private internet transactions. i think republicans may come around to that. that's fine. but there's also the question of expanding background checks in terms of what personal records do we reach of the buyer? and that's where we get into the issue of nonprosecuted criminal interactions. for instance, a domestic violence incident that is not charged right now does not get caught up in a background check. mental health records do not get caught up in a background check. and when the president mentioned that, he's stepping into an area that i think is powerful and we need to go if you're going purchase a firearm, enter into a regulated activity, i do think that mental health records should be checked. but this debate is ten years in the making and it is ripe with pitfalls and nobody has used the political capital to get there. and what we did not hear is any
mention of banning weapons of war. so the president will play a showman in this debate and suggest he's leading. but there really is little leadership in terms of political capital with what he just spoke to. >> congresswoman edwards. >> well, i mean, you know, i'll believe it when i see it. what i've seen from the president is similar to after parkland where you have a lot of big talk on the part of the president and then over a period of time and now we have a real gap between now and when the -- when the house and the senate come back that leaves the nra with a lot of maneuvering room in between. and, frankly, even on background checks, i mean, the president ke kept using this language intelligent background checks, smart background checks. there's a background check piece of legislation that passed the house that's sitting in the senate that's waiting to be signed. and so i want to talk about that bill, because it disclose these loopholes that -- that congressman jolly was talking
about. and makes sure that we can get some of the records that we need. but i also want to hear things like what about allowing the centers for disease control do research on gun sfliens whviole. what did reinstating the weapons ban that expired in '90 snour those are things that can be done and they can prevent some of these mass shootings with the weapons of war being used with 100 rounds of ammunition. we could ban those kind of magazine clips. i haven't heard the president say those things at all. >> jonathan, we were debating in the newsroom as to what the president meant when he said intelligent background checks, if he was trying to couch it or not. if he didn't want to say full blown background checks because he understood who's listening to this commentary. he knows that wayne lapierre is hearing every word he's saying about what he's going to propose when it comes to gun legislation when he comes back from his ten-day break bhot, aside from wayne lapierre is advising the president on these issues from
your understanding? >> certainly the nra has been a very loud voice in this president's voice in this president's ear throughout. let's go back to a year and a half ago with the parkland shooting. the president then indicated he would be supportive of some gun control measures, perhaps background checks but after meeting with the nra walked back from it. this administration has done very little in terms of gun control measures. they banned bump stocks, they get credit for that. but they also undid did some of the measures that the obama administration had put in place. the president himself, let's remember this. prior to becoming a politician, he didn't have strong feelings about gun control. he largely supported it. he has written in his books that he supported it. after president obama's speech after the sandy hook shooting in 2012, trump tweet ed he was supportive of what the president was saying. it's only after he began his republican bid in 2016 that he switched and coz decided up to the nra where he received support from that organize.
they still are a large voice. there are others in the white house. he's willing to talk to republicans on the hill. the question is is this a story that's going to maintain enough momentum over next few days and weeks where the pressure will be so great he'll have to act? >> it's indicative when you have a quote in the "washington post" where wayne lapierre said to the president himself your base will not support expensive background checks. >> that may be a clue that there he's willing to have some sort of smaller measure for background checks. we know the president is very mindful of not upsetting his base. that is his ethos that he's so concerned. he governs for those people who have supported him and he would be reluctant to accept them. but if you're ever going defy the nra, now would be the moment. wayne lapierre is the center of a number of controversies right now. their fundraising operation is is not what it was. this might be a moment where the president does enjoy huge support among republicans could break them. >> david jolly, cot president move out of step with the nra and maintain support? is this that moment? >> yeah, but understand where
the nra's feet lie. they're in cinder blocks right now. my big theory is this. republicans will find a way to suggest that they're moving on this but simply compromising with the democratic bills that have been sent to the house. and credit to the democrats for finally moving those bills. republicans never did. but understand what -- how incremental they really are. what those bills do is they say if you're selling guns at a fire -- at a gun show and you're not a federally licensed firearm dealer are you still have to subject the buyer to a background check. they say if you sell a gun on the internet you still have to subject your buyer to a background check. but if it's a family transaction, a personal transaction you do not. clyburn's bill says if the government doesn't get back to you in three days after current law the default is the buyer gets to purchase. we're going move that out to ten days. that's fine, but none of that expands the information we're looking into the individual. none of it says does is this person have a dangerous social media post organize a mental health record or has suggested
instability? none of that is covered and none of it touches on whips eapons o. my fear is the way this is being framed, good for democrats for doing this. but if that is the benchmark we're trying to compromise from, i go back to my statement after parkland and earlier this week, there will be nothing of consequence done by republicans on guns. >> so congresswoman, it begs the question how far does one go when appropriate posing gun legislation if you're asking for an all-out assault weapons ban, you sure as heck know the senate isn't going to pass that and republicans aren't going to support that. do you try and go for something like red flag laws on a federal level? do you try and go something for more intelligent background checks, as the president put it and i'm using his terminology there, so that something can, in fact, get past senate level? >> i think it's really important not to do something and pretend that we're really doing something. so it's going to be important for democrats, particularly to pay attention to the details
here. the devil really will be in the details when it comes to the background check legislation. i mean, it doesn't make any sense, for example, if you're prohibited because you've committed a misdemeanor domestic violence offense and that's not in the record that you should be giebl to a gun show and buy a gun that you couldn't buy in a retail establishment. paying attention to those details is going to be important. i don't want to take anything off the table right now because we've already had more mass shootings than we've had days in the year already and we are going to have more unless we do something. and the majority of the american people actually republicans, democrats, and independents support these basic common sense measures. there's no reason for democrats to back off of that. >> yeah, you have a recent poll out 70% of americans wanting an assault weapons ban, just over 50% of republicans and around 70% or so democrats wanting that assault weapons ban. jonathan, i want to touch on mississippi, because what he
said about the i.c.e. raids in mississippi recently struck me as well. he basically said, it shows that if you come into this country illegally you will be sent back out. and that is the message that it shows when 600 i.c.e. agents raid and apprehend 680 undocumented workers leaving many children parentless today. what did you make of that? >> well, the imagery is part of the point here. i think it's meant to be a warning ar a deterrent. the administration argues that they're following the law, this is what they're doing. these sort of very public i.c.e. raids are not unprecedented. george w. bush's administration did them as well. the basically administration did not, they backed away from that. they didn't like having this imagery out there. but this is -- we know the president in many ways defines who he is as a politician, who he is as a president, his agenda is about immigration. it's about sort of this really hard line tough approach to immigration. and this is part of that. this is not a surprise. this what he wants to do. he feels like this is what he
was elected to do and it's what his voters want him to do. yes, i think for a lot of americans those images of those crying children, i believe it was the first day of school, really heartbreaking and tough to watch and there's been an uproar against if the but for president trump and those around him, that is simply, this is how they frame it, that's how they're enforcing the policy. i don't think it will be an isolated incident. this is what they want to do and how he wants to define the upcoming re-election campaign. >> hans, i want you to touch on north korea because i want to cover the gamete here. receiving a letter from kim jong-un yesterday, calling it a beautiful letter once again despite the fact that we had -- have had a number of short-range missile testings over the last couple of weeks or so. which we well know are violations of u.n. security council res lietioolutions whic been said by john bolton himself. >> the deal is apparently what kim jong-un, the distinction
between rockets and miflds. if they are short range rockets the president will give them a pass. if they're any sort of missiles, the president has indicated that would be some sort of deal breaker. the details of the letter, three pages, he said written top to bottom. he didn't give us the size of the margin spacing but he gave us an awful lot. there's a strong thant hehint t adopting kim jong-un's language in that in letter kim jong-un complained about the war games that the u.s. and south korea are could nducting. the military say those are exercises and it's key to being operable and a key to work together. if you don't train you don't have an alliance. so the president adopting kim jong-un's language on that yet again and saying that he understood it. and just real quickly on the migration side of the story, the president endorsed this strategy. he endorsed the strategy, he endorsed the tactics. you can clearly expect the president, he's signaling there's going to be more of this. he's happy with the number of the decrease of border crossings, but it looks like we
will have the rest of the summer and maybe even the fall more of these migration raids all across america. >> and we didn't hear the president apologize for the timing when we had the side by side mississippi raids along with the president visiting the victims of the people killed in both el paso and dayton, ohio. thank you all, and jonathan you'll be joining me a little bit later in the hour. up next, new reporting and fallout from those massive i.c.e. raids in mississippi. while some have been released, hundreds more are still in custody as families are publicly pleading for their release, including this young girl whose public plea is getting a heck of a lot of attention. >> took my dad from me. [ sobbing ] my didn't don't do nothing. he's not a criminal. nothing. he's not a criminal. ♪ ♪ ♪
maria! maria ramirez... mcdonald's is committing 150 million dollars in tuition assistance, education, and career advising programs... prof: maria ramirez mom and dad: maria ramirez!!! to help more employees achieve their dreams. welcome back. now to the latest in mississippi where hundreds of families are still reeling after what's being called the largest immigration raid ever in a single state. children and spouses emotional, fearful, and left with few answers as 400 or so remain in custody. joining me now from morton, mississippi, is gabe gut air yes and julia anneinsley is in washington for us. gabe, what are you learning from families affected by these raids? >> reporter: it's an extremely emotional time for many of the families in this community. i'm standing in front of one of the food processing plants where
i.c.e. agents rounded up workers suspected of being undocumented on wednesday. since then, some of these family members have had no idea where their loved ones are. we spoke just a short time ago with one undocumented worker who works at another plant. he just narrowly missed being rounded up, he says, because he was on another shift at the plant. and so wasn't there when the i.c.e. agents were there. but he's terrified to go back to work. we spoke with another woman who broke down in tears describing how her husband was rounded up. she has several kids that she's now trying to take care of on her own while she tries to find out where he is. now, we know according to federal authorities that the people who were detained are -- the ones that are still detained, about 400 or so are at several facilities here in mississippi as well as louisiana. but the families we've spoken with have not been able to get a hold of them. so i want to tell you about a young girl that we met.
18 years old, her name is stephanie. she says she's been in the country for several years, but she says that her younger sister who is just 3 years old was in the car when her father was detained by i.c.e. agents dropping off -- the father dropping off his sister at one of these plants. she is devastated. she found out the news while she was at school. we just spoke with her this morning. take a listen. >> i was so sad. i was like, i don't -- why my dad? he really works hard. he's the important part of the family. right now my family is not okay. so it really hard because, you know, i never miss school. but i really wanted to know something about him and i don't want to be at school if i don't know anything about him. >> how scared of you right now? >> i'm scared because i'm really scared because i don't know what
do. >> reporter: so these families, many of them are beside themselves. there are volunteers asking how they can help some of these families. some of the local churches have started taking donations. some of them, as we saw yesterday, there was a 1-year-old baby girl that we saw in this church left there by her father while he tried to find his wife who was rounded up in these immigration raids. so center president calling it a deterrent a short time ago. no matter who you think about the policy of this administration, whether or not this should have been done, the fact is here on the ground in mississippi this is having very real consequences and impact for many families here in this community. >> right. policy or not, this is -- these children's reality, like stephanie and her 3-year-old sister, like the 1-year-old that you mentioned, julia, i want to go with you with your new published piece on nbcnews.com. you titled it what i.c.e. did and did not to do for kids left behind by mississippi raids. those kids, some of those kids
who gabe mentioned 'the what'd you find out. >> gabe has the reality on the ground. i'm talking to officials here in washington saying here's what we did to try to ameliorate some of the suffering. but they say there's no way they could have done everything to notify schools and child protective services without tipping off immigrants of what their plans were and they didn't want to do that before a law enforcement operation. some of the things they did do, they said some of the parents were released with very young children. these are parents who were arrested and released at the work site and not take mean it detention. later two 270 immigrants were released because of custody determinations. if an immigrant expressed that they were the only one able to care for their child. and they were also given a phone call. they said that an undocumented immigrant in this country should have a plan anywhere for where their child should go if they were arrested. but, you know, the question is what can you do with one phone call? do you notify the relative or
your child that things are going to be okay? so there are a lot of questions there. and then as far as dhiechild protective services in the school, we know they were not told to plan for this and they wish they had known so they could better do their job. i spoke so to some i.c.e. officials in the past and said there is a case in the past and if you knock on the door of a family and plan to arrest parents and you know there will be children left behind area you will bring a child care worker so you can arrange for those children to go into custody, whether it's are with a relative, the foster system, someone to make sure those children have someone to take care of them that night. and at this case because they do this on a massive scale, you can't possibly determine that for everyone. these officials said, no, we cannot guarantee that all of these children now have a place go, but we did our best. i think what really brought this home to me is they said we are not a social services agency. we are a law enforcement agency.
which shows you the way they see their mission here and that it was not their job to make sure that these children had a place to go home to. >> all right. julia, gabe, thank you both. so we have new questions over the immigration status of employees working for the trump organization. "the washington post" reporting that a little known company owned by the president has continued to use undocumented workers for projects on his property. this, despite the trump organization promising for scrutiny on the legal status of its employees back in january. nbc news has reached out to the white house for a response to this story and has not yet heard back. "washington post" political recorder cowrote the article, he's also an nbc political analyst. thanks for joining us on this last minute. here's what you write. for nearly two decades the trump organization has relied on a roving crew of latin american employees to build fountains and water falls, sidewalks and rock walls at the company's winery and it's golf courses from new york to florida. they're ranks have included
workers who entered the u.s. illegally according to two former members of the crew. another employee still with the company said that remains true today. what new reporting, david, do you have on these undocumented workers at trump properties? >> well, what we've found here is that, as you said, six months ago the trump organization said, oh, wow, we employed lots and lots of undocumented immigrants, we're going to make an effort to find them and to fire them. they were trying sort of four years late to align what they did privately with what president trump said everybody should do publicly. what we found was that they didn't succeed. they didn't do that. while they fired some people from some of their golf clubs, this crew of workers that trump has employed for a long time, they're very valuable. they know how to build trump properties. that the crew, nothing changed. none of trump's rhetoric, none of the purge in other parts of the country affect the these folks and they stayed on. >> so the trump organization, these trump properties still
very much employing these undocumented workers but eric trump telling the post the company was, quote, making a broad effort to identify any employee who has given false and fraudulent documents to unlandfally gain employment saying any such individuals would be immediately fired. your response to that, david? >> well, that's what eric trump said back in january. and they did fire at least 18 workers from their golf courses, people who had worked for them for a decade or more and the trump organization audited their paperwork and said these papers that you gave us ten years ago, fraudulent and fired them. what we found was -- we don't know what's going on at the whole company. but this particular part of it, this in-house construction crew, when all that was happening, nothing changed the managers didn't tell them anything. they all kept working and several of them are undocumented. >> in speaking to some of these workers, have they expressed any nervousness about their own status? about being brought in by i.c.e.? >> they are nervous certainly they are. they are also -- and they've
taken steps to sort of stay out of the lime light. but they're also upset by what they view as the hypocrisy of donald trump, bringing this level of scrutiny and this level of immigration enforcement, this level rit rick, this invasion rhetoric at latin american immigrants, undocumented immigrants particularly at the same time as he's relying on them to build the clubs that make him money. that's what's bringing them out here to talk about this, despite the risk. >> and how has the trump organization responded to this most current report that you're putting out there? >> pretty minimally. they've responded by telling us that their efforts to find undocumented workers continue. but they wouldn't answer our questions about how many undocumented workers they still employ and what they've done, you know, beyond what they've made public already to try to make sure that they're living up to president trump's rhetoric. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up, another slip of the tongue. joe biden is back on the trail in iowa today after comments he quickly clarified raising eyebrows during a conversation about lower income students.
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on iowa over the next few days for the annual state fair and front runner joe biden is making headlines for comments he made in the state before a group of minority students involving race. watch this. >> we should challenge students in these schools to have advanced placement programs in these schools. we have this notion that somehow if you're poor you cannot do it. poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids. wealthy kids, black kids, asian kids. i really mean it. think how we think about it. >> so the trump campaign quickly seized on biden's words. the campaign's rapid response director tweeted out a clib clip tweeting out, yikes. i think you can guess where he stopped. nbc road warrior mike is following the biden campaign. mike, the former vice president's gaff came after a long day of campaigning. how's the campaign responding
today? >> reporter: yeah, the fact that the campaign is responding at all is interesting in and of itself. i'll get into that a little bit. but let me read the statement that came in this morning from the deputy campaign manager. it reads vice president biden misspoke and immediately corrected himself during a refrain that he always makes to say that all children deserve a shot and people born in low inlower income family should have the same chance. they have this reputation as you say for these verbal miss cues and gaffs and sometimes respond together controversy that they spork itself only inflames the controversy, makes it bigger. but what's different about this and high think the campaign was eager to engage is because this comes during a week in which they have been eager to have this kind of back and forth with president trump. it began two days ago in burlington with them targeting the president for his inflammatory rhetoric, fanning
the flames of white supremacy, white nationalism. in is the trump campaign eager to engage as well. they want to mud dit watedy the and challenge whether he is the strongest candidate to take on donald trump. this is an an interesting moment as we see the campaign heating up. >> this is the biden/trump bring it moment as we've been talking about. >> that's true. >> that was coming. here it is. you were there in the room yesterday for that moment. how did the crowd react when they heard what biden said? >> reporter: yeah, i mean there is interesting. first of all there are was a long event. it went nearly two hours. the vice president gave something of a 40 minute to an hour stump speech pent took six questions that went on for another 40 minutes or so. you hear when you play that clip, you hear some applause in the room. this was the asian and latino coalition that biden was speaking to. i think that speaks to one of two things. one is that the audience in the room sort of understood what the vice president was talking about
in context. or it could speak to something else, which is we are all so desensitized to these quote unquote gaffs that we spend so much time talking about what a person says, maybe misstatements, when we should be focusing on the larger issues. this is something that biden points to all the time, that he jokes at these events. yes, he's prone to speaking but that's think that is something they like about him and that's one reason why he tends to withstand these controversies as well as he zblas we know the president spoke about biden on the white house lawn before he left for his vacation. he said he doesn't believe the vice president is operating with a full deck. have we had any response from the biden camp on that? >> yeah, biden campaign aide with a quick response which is just to say that trump's deck is all jokers. so once again you're seeing they're eager to have this kind of back and forth with the president and his campaign. >> all right. thanks, mike. so back with me, former
congresswoman donna edwards and chris wilson joins me as well. he's a gop polster who worked on senator cruz's 2016 campaign. congresswoman, do you think biden's latest gaff going to impact his standing amongst the african-american voters? >> i so don't think think so. we spend a lot of time talking about these things. when you heard the full remarks, we self-corrected in real time. you saw the audience's reaction. i don't think it's a big deal. i mean, people want to focus on a person's policy and their intent on what they're going to do for the country, and i think that this has been a joe biden week quite frankly, you know, especially with that speech where he really challenged the president on his -- the grounds of character. and i think democrats are looking for somebody primarily who can beat donald trump. then they want to marry them with issues that matter to them. >> biden is known for his gaffs.
historically he is known for the gaffs. when the president heard that vice president joe biden was running for president, he said bring it on. who knows what he's going to be saying when he's out there. yesterday he actually said truth over facts. i think everybody knew what he was getting at. i don't think that's what he wanted to say verbatim. it hasn't necessarily hurt him, will it? >> my heart goes out for the campaign staffer watching that, having been in that position myself. oh, my gosh. everybody sort of collapses saying it was going so well up until that. will it ultimately hurt him? i think it's up to kamala harris, elizabeth warren, those people who stand up next to him in the debate stage. it further creates skepticism about his position on issues of race. even though he says one thing, his history on bussing and numerous comments he's made over the years indicate a different position that he truly holds. what i mean is he clearly
equates whites are rich and minorities are not. >> i don't think we can resolutely say he equates that. >> i've been looking at comments he's made over the last 40 years and his gaffs tend to push in that direction. obama being clean and articulate. will it affect the race? probably not. i don't think it matters from a standpoint of what voters are looking for, the way they're going to make share decision unless a candidate makes it an issue such as kamala harris did. he's got so many endorsements from african-american leaders. in iowa it's not going to matter what this does, it creates further skepticism with millenials. >> do you want to react to what chris just said? >> look, i think you're all wrong about biden and his history. i don't have a dog in this fight quite yet. but i do know that i think democrats are looking for somebody principally who is going to beat donald trump. at this stage in the game they
view that joe biden can do that. they think that about several other candidates. we see elizabeth warren coming up. i don't see them kind of going after each other in that way. they're going to demonstrate, one, that they have ideas of their own going forward and that they can go at donald trump. frankly, you know, the president does a lot of projection and his statement about biden playing with a full deck, you've got to ask who is really playing with a full deck on that one. >> i want to put this latest poll out there for you to comment on. joe biden continues to maintain his lead. elizabeth warren is sneaking up there with 19%. kamala harris in third place with 11%. bernie sanders at 4% which i think if you're on the far left, this is a real big indicator that elizabeth warren may very well be winning that race. >> well, it is. i mean, the thing that strikes me about elizabeth warren is she hasn't had to have one of these breakthrough moments where she sort of goes up in the polls.
she's been steady as you go since that last april poll. her gain isn't just from bernie sanders. he lost seven but she gained 12. that shows resilience and strength coupled with the operation she's put together particularly in iowa. >> all right. thank you both, appreciate it. coming up, can a group of the nation's best hackers help secure the nation's elections systems? we're going to take a look at that next. systems? we're going to take a look at that next. the mobile app makes it easy to manage your policy, even way out here. your marshmallow's... get digital id cards, emergency roadside service, even file a... whoa. whoa. whoa. whoa. whoa. whoa! oops, that cheeky little thing got away from me. my bad. geico. it's easy to manage your policy whenever, wherever. can i trouble you for another marshmallow? dprevagen is the number onemild memopharmacist-recommendedng?
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welcome back. deputy dni director susan gordon's resignation comes at a pivotal time for the intelligence community as a renewed look at the nation's elections systems revealed how v vul vulnerable the nation's systems are. hackers have been asked to take their best shot at the new voting system prototype. jake, talk me through who some of these people are. >> reporter: good morning. this is a very paranoid city as some of the nation's best hackers come together to take a crack at all sorts of systems, including election systems. we were showed by a team of hackers this morning employed by ibm, they're building systems that would hide devices inside something like a stuffed animal.
it gets mailed to your office and sits on your desk and attacks your wi-fi. it's going to be aimed at voting systems to see how insecure they might be. >> so jacob, according to an exclusive report, a group of security experts have found what they believe to be nearly three dozen back end election systems in ten states connected to the internet over the last year, including some in critical swing states. these include systems in nine wisconsin counties, four michigan counties, and in seven florida counties, all states that are perennial battlegrounds. this is coming after a series of denials from the country's top voting machine vendor. if they've already had this level of access, jake, to our voting machines. what kind of things can we expect and how is the government fortifying itself right now? >> reporter: really, you know,
if i was alarmed reading that headline, you know, a few hours ago, i'm even more alarmed considering what i'm seeing here. i mean, the idea that this -- the expertise here can work as hard as it does just to try to get your wi-fi password. if in fact these systems were connected to the internet, then the insecurity here is really unimaginable. >> quickly, are they planning on hiring some of these folks if they can crack the system? >> reporter: you know, this is -- these election officials do not have the budget of something like an ibm. most don't even employ somebody on security. so the idea they can recruit hackers for this, it seems very unlikely. >> all right. >> reporter: extra alarming consider what we're seeing. >> thank you that wraps up this hour of nbc live. "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. right now on "andrea mitchell reports," on the edge. with a tense nation still reeling from a series of mass shootings. a heavily armed gunman is arrested without incident after walking into a walmart in