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>> our thanks to nbc's anne thompson for that final homecoming. that's it for this week, enjoy your weekend and here is ali velshi. >> that's an excellent story. thank you very much. hello everyone, it is friday, august 9th. americans are calling for gun control, two in particular. president trump and mcconnell are considering background checks for guns. we have an intel turmoil on hands. what's happening to the men and women who are swept up in the i.c.e. raids this week. startling details that climate change could create a massive global food shortage. this climate scientist quits after his research is suppressed by the trump administration.
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let's begin with new calls for gun control for president trump himself. less than a week for back-to-back mass shootings placed gun debate front and center again. >> demented people don't carry guns. t it is a big mental illness problem. the gun does not pull the trigger. >> we want to take it out of the equation. it went nowhere. i has never been a president like president trump. i spoke with mitch mcconnell yesterday, he's totally on board. we need background checks so that sick people don't get guns. >> democrats and republicans for background checks on all gun sales and more than 200 mayors signed a letter to the united
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states senate or set members of the senate urging them to return from their summer break and pass a house approve bill to make it happen. mitch mcconnell who's been a fierce opponent of gun restrictions suggested yesterday that he would consider it. >> we are not calling people back in early to address this gun legislation. >> if we did that, we just have people scoring points. >> there has to be a bipartisan discussion here of what we can agree on, background checks and red flags will probably lead the discussion. a lot of other things have come up as well. what we can 't do is fail to pas something. that's unacceptable. >> we can't fail to pass something by locking up and failing to pass. joining me now is washington post political reporter, eugene
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scott. >> i am taken aback from that comment. in many cases what mitch mcconnell does. it could die in the senate by not coming to the floor for a vote. i have to say like you having been followed this for a long time, i am perplexed to what's going on here. is there some kind of strange game happening here or might donald trump or mitch mcconnell be at the front of the simplest and most basic form of gun safety legislation background checks. >> well, it is not clear as of now. i think part of that is because how recently these conversations have reemerge. we have to remember tragedies happen just not even a week ago. some of this i think suggests and maybe emotional from the president listened to the person
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who he spoken last in terms of trying to figure out what decisions he'll make next. we know trump puts ideas out so people on cable news or on social media can discuss them and he can figure out what type of feedback he's getting and what type of support and criticism he's getting. that is definitely will shape how he moves forward and whether or not he'll hold this position next week and certainly a month from now and whether will lead to some type of policy change. >> we got word from one of our producers who has talked about what mcconnell was needing. mcconnell has said on background, he has not endorsed any specific gun legislations. in this interview of local kentucky raider, whas, he spoke about broad policy areas on things he thinks can become law and he's not yet totally on board be universally background checks which get some of the way
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answering this question. donald trump tweeted earlier today of serious discussions taken place between meaningful background checks. i have spoken with the nra so that their strong views can be represented and respected. guns should not be placed in the hands of mentally ill or der ran the nra would like us to think this is not necessarily gun or gun access problem but it is a problem of mental ill meness an now the president says derange people. >> we know the nra has clear interest in terms of his conversation with the president. he's going to direct the president towards those interests because he has an organization that he wants to continue to have and influence
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and continue to receive funds from their supporters. that's not to say no one in that organization has that intentions that are good and pure in terms of public safety. we have to remember what we are talking about when we are having conferrings abo consideratio conversations of lobbying. the president views on guns are not as deeply held as some of his other convictions or at least conviction of many other people who sent him to the white house and he's opened to these conversations that's why he pointed to them existing on capitol hill. where they'll go remains to be seen. these are not new conversations and fortunately for a lot of americans, they'll probably be tabled. much may not come from them and will rehash the entire process again very soon when another mass shooting happens. >> eugene scott, washington
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post. another massive security issue hitting america right now. the top two officials in america intelligence have now stepped down leaving those crucial post influx. c dan coats and now his department director sue gordon has announced she is resigning and would not serve in the acting role. >> gordon wrote, i offer this letter as an act of respect and patriotism. not preference, you should have your team. god speed. >> president trump will name joseph maguire. an acting director serving as the head of america's intelligence community. joining me now is the former deputy assistant and our msnbc national security evelin farcus.
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let's start with joseph maguire, who is he and is he the right guy for the job? >> special operation and forces within the navy. he's a consummate professional, he's a-lpolitical. he'll do the job very well. the big question is whether he'll be nominated. as a professional, he's well respected and well thought of. he already worked in that world. he worked there for a while, he's ahead of the national counter terri count counter terroristerrorism. the problem again is he going to be the nominee? >> what's the issue there? will the president even nominate him or is he a place holder?
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>> right. i know we'll get to sue gordon in a minute. the problem when you pick someone as who's interim and you don't make it clear whether they'll get the nomination, it leads to a lot of uncertainty. you have been covereriing the intelligence community on day one, he had problems -- whatever it is from the intelligence community. he wants to maintain his believes even if they're not based on facts. here you had a professional who was pushed aside and now you have another professional in acting capacity but everyone is wondering is he going to pick a political hack? >> the dni who was there, dan coats, widely respected in both parties. here is my concern. regular people may not know sue gordon or may not know of the
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intelligence community. this is a department that you don't want to politicize. i don't think most american americans -- it is politicized. the work they do is established. this is ground stuff that happens all the time that keeps us safe that we don't know it is happening. there is a fear among some circles that sue gordon had ins institutional experience and would have been the logical person to have been in that job. >> she's a professional and came up through the ranks and widely respected and deeply respected. very a-political and no nonsense person. she speaks clearly and bluntly. she's a great communicator. i believe under her, the rank and file would felt confident she would have been representing accurately their work. she would not have twisted it to please the president. she would put the facts out
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there. is the case with jerry maguire. he's in an acting capacity. he's kind of on trial. she failed because if i believe what i read about in the media, it is kiend of rings true, the president thought that she was not political enough that she may be too friendly with the previous dia director. he did not like the fact that adam schiff who was the senior democrat running on the house side on capitol hill said something positive about her. we should all be afraid if the president thinks you are not politically align with him and you say something nice a nomi e nominee, they may be in trouble. >> evelin, thank you very joining us. a former deputy assistant secretary of defense. i want to show you to evelin's point of whether people get nominated for jobs.
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these are acting trump administration officials right now. there is an acting white house chief of staff. the job that people think it is really important. there is an acting customs border patrol and acting u.s. ambassador and director of national intelligence and now an acting director of national intelligence. u you make the decision to whether that is a wide course. >> there are concerns of actual national security. we'll talk about the danger of politicizing intelligence. he's a member of the house intelligence committee. you are watching "velshi & ruhle," live on msnbc. you are watching "velshi & ruhle," live on msnbc. rd. earn unlimited 1.5 miles on every purchase, plus we'll match your miles
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welcome back to "velshi & ruhle," the top two positions of the highest intelligence in the nation are influx. joining me now, our oversight committee, congressman, it is good to see you again. thank you for joining me. i worry about this because intelligence and the efficacy of the intelligence community is not something that america think of all the time. we think about it when we are under attacking some fashion. it is an area that we don't want
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to see politicized. we don't want to see the head of these agencies being people who'll carry the president's water. >> that's exactly right. the intelligence community basically protects our national security and as you mention before they largely serve in silence. their actions are not publicized and their victories are not public publicized. they serve in silence. the way they assess national security threats or defeat them should not be biassed in any way by politics. director coats and gordon were people who conducted themselves in that day and on occasion director coats in particular clash with donald trump with regards to the assessment whether for instance if russia was still a threat or his views of north korea or manmade climate change. in removing director coats and
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gordon, it appears to be a purge of decenters within the intelligence community which was dames point brid dangerous for a national community. >> i want to ask you about guns. no one is under the impression that mitch mcconnell is really looking to get to involve new background checks, assuming there is some space for discussions because there are five republican senators who are on the record as calling for background checks, legislation and i will show them into our viewers. assumes there are some space for discussions. what are you willing to compromise in order to get some meaningful legislation? as you know we passed hr 8 out of the house on a big vote. it went to the senate. i believe it should take up hra immediately. in terms of compromises, we really have to see what they want to do and what they want to do with hr 8.
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it is reasonable legislation and i know he keeps focusing on deranged people and mentally r deranged people not having handguns. her forms must be addressed. where we bant terrorists on airplanes but we allow them to buy handguns. preventing white supremacists from getting a handgun and so forth. these are the types of issues that we need to discuss as well. >> do you think and you know a number of people we heard from gun safety activists who have said we are successful in the 2018 election getting a lot of safety and gun safety candidates elected and expanding the nra. some things are happening and a lot of these states having red flag laws now. if we did not see national
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legislation after parkland, what about these shootings change anything? >> perhaps the sheer volume of the mass shootings that have happened in this year alone. may start to change the conversation but i think that we should approach this with a little bit of skepticism. i think we have to hold their feet to the fire especially mitch mcconnell at this point because although he made certain statements that today he walked back a little bit of what he said today with regarding to donald trump. we have to see actions and not just words. i hope that we have concrete discussions of how we bring hra up for a vote. now it is the time to act. i think people are sick and tired of the words and the thoughts and prayers. >> congressman, good to talk to
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you. >> thank you, ali. >> hundreds of families in mississippi were separated on wednesday as i.c.e. carried out a sweep of local businesses. we are looking at the after math how families weare coping and children left behind and find out what businesses were involved and what's the biggest und one day i.c.e. operation in u.s. history. you are watching "velshi & ruhle" live on msnbc. & ruhle" live on msnbc i'm finding it hard to stay on top of things. a faster laptop could help. plus, tech support to stay worry free. worry free. boom! ha.ha. boom! now save up to $200 on all lenovo products. save up to $200 at office depot officemax or officedepot.com. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost.
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a mississippi community is still reeling after the largest u.s. work site immigration raid in a single state in at least a decade. parents were celebraseparated f their children and some of those kids left crying in the streets. >> i need my dad. [ cries ] >> my dad didn't do anything and he's not a criminal. >> about 300 of the 600 people detained by i.c.e. have been released and 400 however still remains in custody.
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jew julia ainsley and gabe gutierrez is tracking the story. >> reporter: we are here at one of the local churches in mississippi where some of these plants were raided. we are told yesterday alone about 150 people came in here to get some of these donations like bottles of water and you see different snacks for some of these family that is are affected. i am joined by an immigrant advocate rinosa, right? tell me what you have seen here? >> we still have individuals that are obviously -- and louisiana and detention center out there. i am working on my end and there are still loved ones that are not appearing in the i.c.e. locater that we don't know where they are at. >> reporter: a lot of people here do not know where their family members are.
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>> that's correct. >> reporter: how difficult of an experience it has been for these families over the last day or so. how emotional is it to watch this? >> it has been really heartbreaking not to know where your loved ones are at. a father called me with his foufour months old. i don't know where my wife is at, i need her to come home. those are individuals right now that i am trying to find out where their loved ones are at. we are not able to get in contact with the consulates at guatemala. i can tell you that they're going to see a judge. >> reporter: what is this going to do long-term for these communities? >> they have been here 13 or 14
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years. >> reporte >> i have responded to a raid that happened last year in the city of paris. a lot of them possibly do not have a possibility to stay and they'll have to go back to their country. they'll have to sell their property and their house and move their children so i have seen it. >> reporter: you expect more people to come throughout the day. thank you so much for talking with us. ali, this is something that's unfolding the next couple of days here in the mississippi area and as you mention about 300 or so, nearly 300 of those people detained on wednesday, they have been released. 400 of the 680 that were picked up on when, they're still in i.c.e. custody and many of these families are wondering what happens next. ali. . >> gabe, thank you. let's talk about what i.c.e. did
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and what kind of planning that they'll be arresting and detaining parents who had children. >> they are not a social services administration. they're not a humanitarian agency either. it is their job to enforce the laws. in terms of some precautions they took. they did release 30 immigrants at the work site before they were taken into detention or processing because they say for many reasons, one of those reasons being some of them had tinder age children, those are children under five. they also given phone calls of those going into detention. it is not clear if they got one phone call or what they're able to do or if they could not get through. also, they had 270 parents who are released quickly and a lot of those are really because of custody determination and determining no one else at home
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that could take care of the child or children. they did notify the schools. on that, they notified the school as they were radiating these facilities. it is not they were given any kinds of heads up. they did not know what to tell these children at the end of their first day of school to go home with a locked house with no one letting them in. >> they did take these things into consideration but if people are sole care giver to a child, they would figure it out. i.c.e. is not as social services agency. did they reach out or understand that local social service agencies had the resources to deal with the fact that their parents are missing? >> why they did not give the schools system heads up.
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they said we wish we should have known. they did not guarantee every child had someone to go home to. that would have somehow tips their hands and immigrant of employers would have known that they were coming for them and that was part of their mission. i was spoken to officials throughout the day, it is current practice that if you go to a home where you are going to arrest parents and the u.s. citizen children are going to remain. you bring with you social workers. at the scale of 680, they could not do that in each case. >> gabe, you reported a lot it. you said there is a lot of emotion around this one? >> reporter: yes, absolutely. from the moment we got here yesterday, again, i cover a lot
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of immigrant communities that may be living in fear. this one they were stunned by this. we spoke with at that church yesterday where we were there and the one-year-old girl that was sleeping on chairs because her father was trying to find out where his wife was. he had no idea. he left her with the priest at the church. i was speaking with a church member and broke down in tears as he tried to choke back tears and said they didn't understand why this was happening. they were hardworking people and been here for more than a decade and could not understand. you know no matter how you feel of the politics. there are many people in this country do deal undocumented immigrants should not be here and support the president. speaking with the community, they don't know where they'll go. these plants and boy, so many workers, the surrounding
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businesses here are relying on them and this church, the vast majority and maybe undocumented. they are worried for the future of their community, ali, so again this is extremely emotional. the family stories we are hearing of these children had to be taken care of buy relatives. it is something you have not seen in the scale quite just yet. >> gabe, thank you for your reporting. gabe gutierrez in mississippi and julia ainsley, thank you to both of you. a drop in the number of migrants at the border the last month. the decrease we see during the hot summer months. 82,049 people were arrested or turned away at the southern border in july. that's the first time we have seen a figure below 100,000. the numbers are down from earlier this year, still twice as many people as last july. nbc's cal perry is joining us live where he gained exclusive
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access to mexican magiciannatio guards. cal, i have been curious of how this is working and what's going on and what did you learn while you were embedded with the mexican national guards? >> reporter: well, i think we got to start by saying the trump policy has a profound effect in the united states. these national guard members, 11,000 members of them. a direct response to president trump's threat of terrorists. that's why they were there. people have travel between guatemala to mexico for centuries. they never needed an id. the other thing we are seeing is actual raids, round ups by the national guards going into certain parts and certain areas of the southern border city putting people in vans. sometimes issuing them ids. they're trying to bring chaos to
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what is an incredibly chaotic situation. when you stand there on that river and you see those 11,000 troops, you realize quickly this is not the american story. this is a story across conference. >> cal, i am glad you are doing that for us to give us a sense of what's happening. cal perry for us. coming up next, we talk about guns after mass shootings. homicide counts for only about one-third of gun deaths. we'll talk about the silent danger working around americans and guns in their own home. you are watching "velshi & ruhle," live on msnbc. when you need the fuel to be your nephew's number one fan. holiday inn express. we're there. so you can be too.
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up. not even half of gun related deaths are from mass shootings. according from the cdc, an average of 36,383 deaths per year, homicide were responsible of 35%. more than 61% due to suicide. joining me now is the president of the task force for global health and former director of the cdc national center for injuries and prevention, mark rosenberg. this is a stat that people report on gun violent understands and people like you understand gun violence. it sorts of getting hidden and shunned to the side that if you really want to reduce the sheer mass of gun violence in america, suicides would be a good investment of one's time to figure out. >> you hit it exactly. >> let me simplify those statistics and they think it
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makes it more dramatic. if you look at the number of deaths from mass shootings from 2000s to 2019, there are by different estimates between 600 to 2,000. let's take the highest number there of the 2000s. 2000s for mass shootings by guns from suicide, there were 200,000. >> wow. >> 100 times as many as suicides as deaths from mass shootings. it is a bigger part of the problem. that sun interventions directed at both of these can work to prevent at mass shootings and suicide. >> when we are talking about suicide, what's the relationship about guns and suicide. is our suicide rate in america greater than some populations,
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does the access to guns change that? >> it changes dramatically. our gun suicide rate is much higher than any other developed country. we are off the charts. guns don't make people suicidal. they give them the means and the instruments to commit and a lot of suicides are impulsive. a large percent are impulsive. people get shocked by something that happens at work or by a break up of a relationship or something at school and they are impulsi impulsive. if they have a weapon at that time, they would commit suicide. if you can keep it from them at that time for most people to impulse passes and you can save their lives. guns don't make people suicidal but they give them the means to carry it out. it feels like a public health crisis. what's the biggest answer?
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is this about anxiety and mental health? what do you think solve this or gets us towards a better solution? >> i think the discussion of red flag laws and universal background checks are taking us in the right direction. we should remove guns from people who should not have them without infringing on the rights of law-abiding gun owners. that's the strategy behind the red flag laws. that's the strategy behind universal background checks and it is not either we do the science and the research and the policy or keep your guns but if we do the research right, we'll find those things using science that both keep guns out of the hands of people who should not have them and reduce gun violence and protect the rights
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of law-abiding gun owners. it is not either/or. the science can help us do both. >> this is what we turn to you for. you spent a lot of time researching this. >> can i mention one last thing of the red flag laws? >> these laws look for people who are high risk to either harm themselves or others. it turns out a lot of the criteria that defines people who are at risk at being mass shooters, people who have had early childhood trauma or people have gone through a crisis or relationship at work. people who have been influenced by the social media and the effect or people that have the means. these four things define people at risk for suicide. if we start looking for people at risk, if we get everyone to see someone and say something, boy, we may have a huge impact. >> you can solve the problem or gun death problem or you may actually making a dent in
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suicide and depression and anxiety. thank you mark, i always appreciate talking to you. mark rosenberg. if you know someone who needs help, call the national suicide prevention hotline. 1800-273-8255. we'll take a quick break, we'll be right back. be right back. this is not just the flu. it's meningitis b... and you're not there to help. while meningitis b is uncommon... once symptoms appear, they can progress quickly and can be fatal... sometimes within 24 hours. before you send your teen to college... make sure you help protect them. talk to your teen's doctor... about meningitis b vaccination.
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here is one thing you may not have known of the climate crisis. it had a lot to do with foods. al new report conducted by the intergovernmental panel on climate change warns that if the crisis are not addressed, things like rising temperatures and extreme weather could trigger a global food crisis. let me tell you about this. more than 100 scientists involved in the report took a close look at two factors. how agriculture would be affected by global warming and how it contributes to climate change down the road. if average global temperatures rise two degrees celsius above pre-industrial levels,
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climate-related risks to health, livelihoods foot security and water supply, human security and economic growth are imagine how grows on the earth, can be affected by that and that would affect security because there would be refugees and people moving all over the world and then there's the obvious issue, severe weather. we know more frequent and devastating hurricanes, flooding, wildfires, droughts, they cause crops and livestock around the world to suffer. but here's where the health risks come in. the report found that when there's more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, the quality of nutrients in certain crops actually decreases. it's important to remember though food production adds to the problem as well. the panel notes that agriculture and other land uses make up about 13% of the world's co2 emissions. think about that. making food emits carbon in some
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cases and that makes for a complicated and vicious cycle. so the question is what is the solution to this? joining me is lewis ziska, a plant scientist and a physiologist who said he quit the trump administration's u.s. department of agriculture because his research was suppressed. doctor, thank you for being with us. >> thank you so much. >> what does your research being suppressed mean? >> i've been with the usda for 25 years and typically before you submit a paper you have to go through a review process and we did this. we had been working with scientists in china and japan looking at the affects of rising carbon dioxide on rice nutrition and we got some very interesting results. we sent the paper for approval. we sent it off to science advances. the paper was accepted. it went through peer review. bits and pieces here and there and it's ready to come out. skin advances calls us and says,
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hey, we think this is going to get a lot of media attention, why don't you do a press release. so we do a press release, sent it in and the next day we get a call saying, oh, no, they object to this. >> to the press release? >> they object to the paper. they say the data in the paper did not support the conclusions of the paper and that's unusual. that had never happened before. i didn't know quite how to react to that. i against if there was a cartoon there would be a light bulb over my head that said this isn't about the science anymore, this is something different. here you have a paper that shows -- >> are they questioning the facts of the research or the conclusions? what was the -- >> they were questioning the facts of the data and the paper, and they were also objecting to the the conclusions of the paper. for what it's worth, harvard basically did the same experiment and showed that the data are, in fact, correct, that there's going to be these issues coming forward. >> what's controversial about
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the effect of carbon on rice nutrition? >> i honestly don't know. we're still looking at this, but the bigger issue here is that we have sort of two groups. we have farmers who are actually, as you mentioned, undergoing the effects of climate change, uncertainty, extreme events occurring. >> they are front line environmentalists in many cases. >> many cases they absolutely are. and then you have the group at the federal level. you have folks at the economic research service, the ag research service, good people, smart scientists who want to help, who have the expertise to bring to this problem. through the middle of all this you have the politics of it and that's so frustrating because you want to put that aside. you want to take the science. you want to take the technology and begin to address some of these basic issues. if the climate is changing, what does that mean in terms of new diseases that farmers might face? how do i manage my farm in a way
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that will reduce my vulnerability to extreme events? there are basic issues here that need to be looked at and we can't do it because it's politics. >> let me ask you about the motivation. i'm a concerned citizens, right? i'm worried about the earth warming. i'm worried about droughts and hurricanes and dangers and food shortages. you're a scientist. what do you get for being on the wrong side of this thing? what's the motivation for working against good science that is going to help us figure this out? >> that's a good question and i'm not sure i know the absolute answer to that. i suspect the motivation is different depending on the group that you go to. i know fossil fuel industries have their own motivations for denying the science, but i'll always point to other businesses, people in the food business for example, kraft foods, unilever, others, are concerned about climate change. they want to know what does it mean for the quality of my food. what does it mean for the food chain. >> because the nutritional value in rice or grains is decreasing,
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and that's actually important to governments, food companies, communities? >> absolutely, absolutely, because then the same amount of food does not provide the same amount of nutrition, the same amount of health that you can expect from that. there are ramifications for that. one of the ramifications we saw in our paper is that if you were a poor country, people in bangladesh for example get almost two-thirds of their calories from rice. so they're going to be impacted more by a co2 influence on rice. and yes, economically that hurts us all because what happens is that if you're more affected and you're poor, you do what people have done throughout civilization. you get up and you leave. everything from the unprecedented drought in central america and the caravans that are moving to what happened in syria, it's really a hashen jer of things to come and that
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concerns us as plant scientists. we want to try and prevent that from happening. >> i appreciate the time you've taken. you quit the usda because research into nutrition and plants was suppressed. thank you so much. >> thank you. msnbc is teaming up with the georgetown institute of politics and public service as well as our daily planet, an independent environmental organization, to host a two-day climate forum with the 2020 presidential candidates. i'll be moderating along with my msnbc colleague chris hayes september 19th and 20th. the nation's top voting machine company insists its systems can't be hacked. however, according to a new vice news report, researchers found that 35 systems have been connected to the internet for months, maybe even years, making them vulnerable to hackers. nbc tech reporter jake ward is
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in las vegas covering the defcon hacking conference. jacob, tell me what they're finding. >> reporter: this is a very paranoid scene here, ali. we're among some of the greatest packing minds in the country, people who have been brought together by above-board companies to try to be as creative and insidious as they can in attacking systems like you see behind me. these are some of the most common systems used as of 2018 in elections, so they're here to really test this stuff out. one of the big vulnerabilities is the dated nature of this technology. it's extremely old. a lot of it dates from the '90s. one of the most alarming things to me is that a lot of the equipment you see behind me, in
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fact all of the equipment you see behind me was not, in fact, provided by the companies, companies like es and s and dominion. they had to buy this stuff on ebay and through government surplus. that's what one of the organizers told me. so the idea that we have to pull this stuff in in order to test it out without the cooperation of the companies involved is really quite alarming but considering the kind of sophistication i've seen, we have all of our phones off. even the wait staff here in las vegas has been told not to have their phones on while this conference is going on, the idea that they're going to then go at this kind of data equipment is alarming. >> cyber security companies, companies that are involved in this, banking, they spend billions of dollars on cyber security. are the kinds of resources necessary to protect voting systems available to election officials in this country? >> this is what's so alarming about being here, is that you see teams literally of hundreds of hackers in the employ of companies like ibm to be a think
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tank, stunk works for discovering the latest trends in hacking. well, an election official barely has the money for a single i.t. consultant much less anybody coming in to try to imagine what could go wrong if we went at these guys. for me the gap here between the billions being spent on cyber security across the country by private actors and the fact that they had to buy this equipment on ebay just to test it out, i think that tells you everything you need to know. >> jake, good to see you. jacob ward is our msnbc tech correspondent and he's in las vegas learning about this. as the gun debate reaches a tipping point, stephanie ruhle will interview michael bloomberg tomorrow right here on msnbc around noon eastern time. thank you for watching. i'm going to see you back here at 3:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. you can watch or learn to velshi and ruhle on the msnbc app or apple tv. really you have to make a
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concerted effort not to be able to watch this show. it's kind of everywhere. right now my friend amend picks up. >> and i was thinking your weekend was about to start. you got a couple more hours. hang in there, my friend. good afternoon, everyone. i'm in for katy tur. it's 11:00 a.m. out west, 2:00 p.m. in new york. we're in the wake of two mass shootings and president trump is in the hamptons attending two multi-million dollar fundraisers for his re-election campaign. before boarding air force one in washington the president again insisted that gun reform is coming and that the nra is on board despite reporting that the gun lobby had actually warned president trump that his case wouldn't like it. uldn't like it >> i have a great relationship with the nra. i have a lot of respect for the people in the nra and i have spoken to them on numerous occasions, numerous occasions, and

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