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in new york. >> craig melvin here, msnbc headquarters new york city. real economic anxiety. all eyes remains on the markets after wall street's worst day of the year. why it's only fueling fears of a recession and fears in the president's inner circle that he might be at risk of losing his greatest advantage heading into the election. plus, exit stage left. the field of 2020 democrats about to get much smaller as multiple outlets record that governor john hickenlooper is set to bow out. plus, i sat down with one of the most influentialent tainers around, jay-z. we talked with him about social issues and what he's saying about the criticism his involvement and vocal support of collin kaepernick. we start with breaking news right now. reuters is reporting that just a few moments ago the israeli foreign minister confirmed that
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they will, in fact, block minnesota congresswoman ilhan omar and michigan congresswoman rashida tlaib from entering the country. president trump tweeted within the last hour urging israel to bar them. the president writing in part it would show great weakness if israel allowed representative omar and tlaib to visit. they hate israel and all jewish people and there's nothing that can be said or done to change their minds. minnesota and michigan will have a hard time putting them back in office. they area i are a disgrace. that tweet coming from the president of the united states. i'm joined now by kristen. she's traveling with the president. kristen, what's this all about? >> reporter: craig, this is an escalation of the ongoing feud between president trump and these congress women. now, first a little bit of a
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fact check. neither has ever said that they hate israel or the israeli people. they have been critical of the israeli government. they recently voted, in essence, in favor offa a boycott of the state of the palestinians and they have made some controversial comments about israeli's omar having to walk back some of those comments. but, craig, this comes against a broader backdrop here. the fact that you have president trump who has attacked them along with two other freshman congresswomen on twitter essentially calling them socialists, calling for them to go back to their countries. you'll remember that. that of course sparked that chant during one of his rallies, send her back, which prompted furry and outrage from members of his own party, quite frankly, as well as democrats. this is one more escalation in that ongoing, very bitter back and forth between the president and these freshmen congresswomen. now, it's important to point
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out, craig, as it relates to this visit to israel there is significant because you did have calls from lawmakers on both sides of the aisle, including kevin mccarthy who said that anyone should be allowed to visit israel. so this goes against what republican lawmakers and republican leadership has said they want to see. so we'll have to see where this goes throughout the day and we await, of course, response from the two lawmakers. but this giving the president yet another opening and opportunity to escalate this feud with these congresswomen. he sees this, craig, as a way to energize his base. he departs for new hampshire a little bit later on today, so reporters will have a chance to ask him about this. and of course the question looming over all of this, will he, in fact, point to this at his rally tonight and will that stir up the crowds there? craig. >> all right. kristen welker who is vacationing with the president. kristen's not on vacation, the president's on vacation. thank you.
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joining me now to talk about what all this means, former florida congressman david jolly, former republican and msnbc contributor and msnbc political analysts and senior director of progressive programming, elina maxwell is here and so is pbs news white house correspondent amy who is also an msnbc contributor. i would imagine, ladies here in the studio we'll start with you, the precedence that this sets, the president of the united states being able to reach out to an ally to stop entry of a political adversary. >> it's completely unprecedented and it's unfortunate because i think if the goal was to reveal that, you know, the two congresswomen are wrong about the treatment of the palestinians, you'd want to let them in and see for themselves. and i think, you know, the part of the tweet that i'm still processing is they are a disgrace because we're in a moment where the president of the united states is calling to elected members of congress a
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disgrace, two who are receiving an inordinate amount of death threats and threats to their lives and their safety. and i think that this continued escalation of framing two elected women in congress as a disgrace is somehow not fully representative of their constituents is a dangerous precedent in addition to the fact that this is an unprecedented move in terms of allowing them into the west bank to see for themselves what's going on. >> this is an incredible escalation of the president really targeting these women of color. the idea that he can use the power of the presidency to bar these women from the party that most americans vote for by the way, democrats have the majority of jewish votes in this country. but the idea that he can use his personal vendetta against them to get them blocked from a country, also benjamin netanyahu is running for re-election, so he's not trying to appear weak. there's domestic politics
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playing out in israel. but the idea that the president will of course mention this in his rally, but he'll be able to say i'm right about the fact they hate jews they won't let them in. and this let's him say to his base that he's right. even though there's no evidence of that, even though these women have never said that, it's just an incredible move by the president. >> congressman, it does seem as every day or so now we precede a report with this is unprecedented. but this is truly, again, unprecedented. how surprised are you by the president's latest move? >> yeah, you know, we have different types of unprecedented. we have the outraged ones. this one has a bit of a heartbreak to it, craig, a little bit. the fabric of the nation is torn a little bit further by the president's actions this morning. and what i mean by that is even in one of the closest bilateral relationships we have, that between the united states and israel, the president has shown himself incapable of defending
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the very ideals of our nation, the very protections of freedom of expression of disa denssiden. what they're doing is exercising their right to dissent within the united states, challenging foreign policy doing ma. and as kristen reported, they said they should be allowed in. just a few weeks ago the israeli ambassador to the united states said they should be allowed in. what is holding them back, it appears what israel is relying on, is israel passed a 2017 law that said prominent proponents of the bds movement, the boycott movement against israel, may be kept out of israel. that is a moment in which the president of the united states should say to our friend israel, that's not how we exercise our freedoms here. and yet donald trump's taken the exact opposite approach and said to netanyahu, we agree, quiet their dissent, quiet their freedom of expression, keep them away from israel. it's wrong. this is a hard one, craig.
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this isn't just an outrage one, this is a hard one for us as a country. >> congressman, stand by. we do want to for a moment turn to growing concerns about the economy. as you can see, the market's little changed this morning. little changed after suffering the worst day of the year on wednesday falling 800 points if the was a drop of about just over 3%. all of it triggering concerns of a recession. jolting world markets as well. and as nbc's first read futs, the economy has been keeping president trump afloat for 2020. what if it sinks? ali velshi joins me now from the floor of the new york stock exchange. what's happening with the markets right now, buddy? >> reporter: it's like calm seas. it's actually dies guysing some ripples underneath. we thought last night we'd have a rough day after yesterday's 800 point loss. it was the fourth biggest point loss on the dow, the biggest
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percentage loss of the year and then overnight things happened. china saying let's meet halfway on this trade thing. walmart coming out with some good numbers, good earnings numbers, and it turned around and we had a positive start to the day if the now we're at that break even mark right now. so there's a lot going on. i would say it's three buckets, craig. the first bucket is we're ten years plus into an expansion. that's the time between recessions. so there are a lot of people saying the economy's going to slow down, it's slowing down around the world already and that's coming. the second bucket is this trade war with china that a lot of people, a lot of experts are saying the president had a point in starting but it hasn't been executed all that well and it's becoming a lose/lose situation because china suffering, american suffering, american consumers are suffering, american farmers are suffering and there's no discernible change or benefit from it. and then finally because people are worried about this, some people leave the stock market and they do a flight to safety and move into bonds which are safer. as you buy bonds, the interest rate on those bonds, the price goes up, the interest rate correspondingly goes down and
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that's the indicator that occurred yesterday to suggest that a recession might be on the horizon. maybe ten months, maybe 20 months from now, but it always happens when the that thing that happened yesterday occurs, usually a recession follows. so you put all that into a bucket and you say, the economy's pretty good, but there are worries that it's going to slow down and the concern is, is donald trump going to micah recessi make a recession come earlier than it would have and is it going to be worse with his policies than it otherwise would have been. >> ali, thank you. the panel's back with me. congressman, president trump has always tauted how well the economy does under him. take a listen. >> we have the strongest economy in history. the greatest anywhere in the world by far. the economy is thriving like never before. an economic miracle is taking place in the united states. with the hottest economic country in the world. we have the number one economy on earth. >> in the history of the world.
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congressman, what impact would the fear of a recession have? how would it undermine his re-election chances, or would it? >> well, i think it would. look, you know, it's largely assumed that the economy is the president's greatest strength. i think that oversells it a little bit. i mean, it is not an economic miracle, as donald trump wants us to believe. we are seeing a steady continued growth that began under the great we recession under barack obama. but we're not seeing the enthusiasm in the market and on main street that you typically see in an overheated market like we saw during the dot com growth in the late 90s or during the housing run of the 2000s. i don't think there's the enthusiasm there right now. at the end of the day i think this 2020 race is going to be a litmus test on all things trumpism. it's not going to be centered around persuasion over policy issues. the economy is good, but it's not great and frankly there is growing economic disparity that
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is accelerating under this president. people feel that as much as they feel the steadiness and the current growth. >> zerlina, how do democrats go in 2020 about luring those trump voters who say, you know what? he may say off the wall things, he mate tweet wacky things, he may even say racist things from time to time, but he's algorithm economy and business. how do democrats recruit those voters? >> one, i don't think that's a -- because i think racism trumps whether or not you've got some tax cuts. but i do think that certain democrats have an advantage in this moment. i think elizabeth warren definitely has some advantages in messaging in this moment because she was correct about calling the great recession in 2007. and so she can go based on her expertise, not just in protecting consumers and policies that would protect consumers, but also raising
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wages to sow th that workers ar more stable in their lives. so when there are fluctuations in the markets and economy, you're not losing all your belongings and home and everything else that goes along with that. i think this is a moment that puts certain democrats in a position where they can shine. and i think elizabeth warren certainly bernie sanders has a compelling case to make in terms of the dangers of relying on wall street and the effect -- the negative potential effects on the economy if there's a downturn. >> kristen welker reported a few moments ago president trump on his way to new hampshire tonight for a campaign rally. that state doing reasonably well economically. according to an august university of new hampshire survey center poll conducted, 49%, 49% say they approve of the way that the president has handled the economy. 44% saying they disapprove. what message does the message need to convey tonight in new hampshire?
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>> the message that the president wants to convey is that the economy's going to do well. this might be a little bump in the road, but overall i've been someone who's been able to shepherd this economy through hard times and i'm in some ways not inheriting it from president obama because democrats will continue to say that the president is really a benefactor of an inherent answitance of ob. this is a big deal for president trump. i've talked to so many people in ohio, pennsylvania, minnesota, states where he needs to win who tell me, okay, i really don't like the president's tweets. i'm very uncomfortable about the racism that they see coming out of the white house. but at least the economy's doing well. if the president loses the economy and the economy starts to show that it's not going to be weathering and it's going to be possibly slowing like some other economies around the world, i'm thinking of china and germany and mexico, he's going to be in a big problem. it's going to be a big problem
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for him. and the secret ingredient i will still say is he is having this rhetoric on race and this idea that he's barring these women from going to israel. there's the cultures war part of this that keeps his race together. but the economy is a big ingredient to that. >> you mentioned elizabeth warren here. she just said a few moments ago via twitter with regards to the two congresswomen being barred from israel, quote, israel doesn't advance its case as a tolerant democracy or unwavering u.s. ally by barring elected members of congress from visiting. we've talked about the effect that this could have on the president politically. one could assume, perhaps, that this also might affect our country's relationship with israel, perhaps even after the administration isn't in the white house. >> yes. and i think that that's what i'm concerned about. once we get past donald trump, whenever that is, and hopefully voters can make their voices heard and it's not two terms. but i think that, you know, the dangers that we're facing every single day with foreign policy
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done by tweet in a time when there sore many differeare so m the world and then what's going on in china coupled with his intentional trade war and those policies, i think there's a lot of instability. and what invokes calm in me is not seeing donald trump on television or see his tweets come through my feed every single morning that deal with important policies that actually affect people's lives. it's just no way to govern. >> and if the president feels as though the economy isn't going to be the thing that he's going to run on, if it's going to be personal vendettas carried out through public policies or through international policies, we could see a ratcheting up of this behavior. he could target nancy pelosi, elizabeth warren or bernie sanders as they go on international trips. this is not something that could stop with just these congresswomen if we see the president getting nervous about the economy. >> thanks to both of you.
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new this mother, the 2020 field reportedly about to lose one of its democratic contenders. a source close to former colorado governor john hickenlooper tells nbc news he will be ending his presidential bid todd. the news fueling that he will announce plans to run for the senate in colorado instead. this as another candidate is rejecting growing pressure to drop out and run for senate. that's former texas congressman beto o'rourke, instead making a major address today trying a second campaign reset of sorts. nbc's road warrior garrett haake, el paso, texas. he just wrapped up that address,
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i'm told, garrett. what'd he say and how does he plan to turn this thing around? >> reporter: craig, he says he's going to return to the campaign trail today with a new urgency to confront donald trump. and what he said are the racist policies, racist language of this president that he believes led directly to the shooting here in el paso that killed 22 people here last week. he wants to confront the president in the places where he feels like his policies have done the most damage. that's why he's leaving from here in el paso to go to mississippi where he wants to talk about the i.c.e. raids that targeted that community in jackson, mississippi. try to raise up the people there. i think we will see going forward a lot more of beto o'rourke in places like that and a lot less of him in places like the iowa state fair doing the kind of traditional campaigning that he now says he doesn't believe meets the seriousness of this moment. and on that question of running for senate, o'rourke discussed his thinking trying to put to bed with some finality the idea that he would ever consider running for senate. here's how he discussed making
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that decision. >> i got to tell you, there's some part of me, and it's a big part of me, that wants to stay here and be with my family and be with my community. i love el paso. there have even been some who suggested that i stay in texas and run for senate. but that would not be good enough for this community. that would not good enough for el paso. that would not good enough for this country. we must take the fight directly to the source of this problem. that person who has caused this pain and placed this country in this moment of peril. and that is donald trump. >> reporter: with that, craig, the candidate back on the trail also rolling out one new policy proposal. he said he's changed his thinking on this since the texas
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senate race. he's calling for a mandatory buyback of assault weapons in this country saying it's not enough to simply stop selling them. these are weapons of war and they need to be brought off the streets of the united states as quickly as can be done. craig. >> thank you so much. meanwhile, ahead of president trump's rally in new hampshire tonight, another republican has been on the ground there. he's been on the ground eyeing a primary challenge to the president. former south carolina governor and congressman mark sanford just wrapped up his fact-finding mission in the state. he is heading to iowa for his next stop, but first he joins me now to talk about that trip and where he is at on his decision making. governor, last time you joined me you said you would make a decision within 30 days about running for president. i did the math, that was 29 days ago. are you running? >> well, be careful here. what i told caitlin bird of the courierier w
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courier was around a day. but in essence around a month, essential before labor day i'll make my decision. >> are you leaning toward? >> i would say at this point yes. i keep getting green lights on things that were question marks and things i had concern or worries about. and, you know, the response has been more positive than i would have guessed in a variety of different fronts. so i'd say if i was to give a slight lean i'd slightly lean in that direction. >> question marks, worries, like what? >> well, i mean, it's a daunting, impossible, huge logistical challenge. and the idea of, as you well know, i've run a number of campaigns over the years but nothing of this scale or size and that would give anybody pause. >> the university of new hampshire, as you probably know, they've got a new poll out and it looks at the president's -- the president's approval rating there in the state. right now 82% of new hampshire republicans say they support the
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president. that would seem to be, to use your word, daunting. that's an uphill climb. does that not worry you? >> it does. but i think that there's an interesting cross tab to that poll that a lot of people brought up yesterday as they traveled across new hampshire. and that was in that same poll about half of those people believe that the president ought to be challenged. and these are republican voters. so, yeah, they're solidly behind the president absent any other choice. but what half of those folks have said is they'd like to have another choice. >> states, as you know, have so far been resistant to the idea of holding republican primaries. what makes you think their minds could be changed on this? >> listen, the only thing that ever changes anybody's mind in the world of politics, and that is grassroots efforts wherein enough people are speaking up through the system to say, no, i don't think this is a good idea. you look at what's happening in
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nevada, you look at what would likely happen in south carolina wherein people will shut down debate. but what i've heard from a lot of folks across the state of south carolina and now in new hampshire and other folks that have called me across this country is we need to have a concurrent debate on the republican side. democrats are having a vigorous debate. in many cases it entails more versus more. on the republican side why aren't we having a debate about the ideals that this party was originally formed on and what it stood for for a long time? why aren't we debating those things? i think it would take ground pressure to create some of those debates and primaries. >> one of those issues that you've talked about for years and since i've known you, the deficit. mounting fiscal crisis perhaps on monday of course the government as you know releasing new figures showing this year's deficit already about $867 billion already. still several months to go. that's 27% larger than it was at this point last year.
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do you get the sense that people just don't care about that as much as they used to? >> no, they positively care about it but, again, there's been a failure of leadership on this front. the president was the gentleman who said i will eliminate the debt if i'm elected over the eight years that i might be in office. that was his promise. instead, what we saw are the numbers that you just recited. and, in fact, with the debt deal what you've seen is things that will add to that. i mean, a third of a trillion dollars in new spending over the next two years. 2 interest trillion dollars of additional debt over the next ten years. i mean, the numbers become daunting. and so those same families that i've talked to over the years, you know, as they try to balance the family budget or the small business person trying to balance the little business budget, those folks don't care about the numbers and they care deeply about the eroding numbers that they see in washington, d.c. and it's implications in terms of their taxes going forward, the implications from
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the business climate, and the ability to build the american dream. >> congressman mark sanford who says he is leaning running toward running for president in new hampshire on his way to iowa. congressman, we'll stay in touch. thanks for your time. >> yes, sir. >> safe travels. >> thank you. more incendiary comments and ensuing outrage. congressman steve king at that time again, this time referring to rape and incest. again, this to rape and incest n is a baby company. but we're also a company that controls hiv, fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms, helps you back from strokes, and keeps you healthy your whole life. from the day you're born we never stop taking care of you.
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now to a new wave of bipartisan backlash against comments by iowa congressman steve king. the congressman sparking outrage yet again, and again new calls for his resignation. here's what he said. >> what if we went back through all the family trees and just pulled those people out that were products of rape and i set of. would there be any population in the world left if we did that? considering all the wars and rape and pillage that's taken place? i know i can't certify that i'm not a part of the product of that and i would like to think every one the lives of us are as precious as any other life. >> joined now by the former
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press secretary for house speaker john boehner. also back with me, form congressman, former republican david jolly. congressman, as you know king's comments have been slammed by top republicans so far. congresswoman liz cheney third highest ranking republican she called them appalling and bizarre and said it's time for steve king to go. minority leader kevin mccarthy and steve scalise said the comments underscore why he was previously removed from his committees. is that a sufficient response, congressman jolly? >> well, that's about all they can do without the majority bringing up a censure or represent pra hand resolution. the house won't excelpel him. those are the right words but they ring hollow. as i sit here listening in my ear, those comments could have
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been donald trump. they're bizarre, they don't make any sense and the they mirror a lot of trumpism as well. i think for steve king the real threat he faces is back home. he has a primary in which we know establishment traditional republican groups will try to come in and beat him in the primary so they can tried y to the seat for 2020. steve doesn't care, he doesn't care what republican leaders are saying, he just cares about the 700 plus voters in iowa district four and whether or not he can get the 51% of them to support him in 2020. >> brendan, this is a congressman that has a long history of making controversial and racist comments. here's just a look back at a few of them. >> we could also electrify this wire with the kind of the current that wouldn't kill somebody but it would be a discouragement for them to be around it. we do it with livestock all the time. for everyone that's a valedictorian, there's hundred
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out there that way 130 pounds and they hauling marijuana across the desert. when i go to germany and they have the swastika, i think we have the first amendment, that can't happen here in the united states. >> how -- how, brendan, how is -- how is steve king still a congressman? how does he still represent people in iowa? >> well, as day of said, he's been a crack pot for a lopping time. but he also keeps getting elected every two years. ultimately this will come down to his voters. the problem with steve king is he never learns his lesson because he doesn't think he's done anything wrong. i've worked for two speakers and you drag them into the office for a talking to but it doesn't really register because he thinks that he's, you know, in in instance he probably thinks he's made some astute historical point somehow. so he never learns his lesson. and we keep going through this pattern, you know, in the last election cycle the party basically cut him off. he didn't receive any money from the speaker.
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but he barely snuck through. i'm hoping that this is sort of a political death rattle and this is his last time in congress because he needs to be put out to pasture at this point. >> it also begs the question, if you're not even on committees, what's he even do? like what's his day look like if he's just -- i guess he takes meetings? the whole thing is bizarre. i want to turn, brendan, because we just, as you probably heard there, mark sanford, you're in the house when mark sanford was a congressman. it sounds like he is leaning towards challenging president trump for the nomination. this congressman sanford, does he have a shot? >> you coming to me, craig? >> either one. >> so, look, i think the odds would suggest no. but is it a run that mark should make? yes. i love mark sanford. he's turned out to be one of my better friends in politics. here's why he's the perfect contrast donald trump. yes on all things conservative in the deficit he's an
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ideological warrior. but the moment i realize mark sanford brings something special is when he acknowledged his own failings and fall abilities, he apologized and expressed the importance of accountability in politics. mark speaks to the fact that, yes, he failed and sufd an accountability and it was an important one. that say perfect contrast to how donald trump handles his own failings and it would be a remarkable conversation within the republican party but also for the country. >> brendan buck, what do you think? >> the president has a stranglehold on the party. i think the question going forward is whenever donald trump is off the political stage, what kind of party do we have left? and what does the republican party look like? mark sanford, nobody's going to beat donald trump. but i think there's a lot of value in having a conversation about what republicans believe in and perhaps what we're going to be talking about, what ear going to look like in the next four, eight years going forward. i think there could be a lot of value in there. >> bill weld, you just mentioned him and tomorrow we'll have the former govern nor the massachusetts here on the
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it has been two years since the deadly hate crime attack in
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charlottesville, virginia. during that attack, a white supremacist plowed into a group of peaceful protesters and injured dozens. that attacker also killed 32-year-old activist heather heyer. "the new york times" op-ed entitled hate crimes slipping through the cracks was written by two mothers who have been directly affected by hate crimes who are now working to improve federal hate crime statistics. susan, the coauthor of that article and the mother of heather heyer joins me now from virginia. thanks for your time. you write in part, and i'll read it here for our listeners on sirius satellite radio. the face the of our children, linked in an additional way. while their murders were prosecuted as hate crimes in court, neither was reported as a hate crime in official government statistics. in the eyes of the government, they were not even data points. health they were killed exactly one week apart from each other. why weren't they included in the
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government's count of hate crime, susan? >> it's not always been clear about why localities don't do that. there's a variety of reasons. it can be it's cumbersome with the current system if the can be that they don't have the proper training. but it looks bad on an area to have hate crime statistics listed. we don't have any trouble here kind of mentality. so they kind of need a nudge. the system needs to be streamlined. there need to be incentives. there needs to be training. a whole network of changes need to happen to tighten this up. >> have you heard from government officials? have they said anything to you about -- about heather being added? >> well, charlottesville has recently tried to add in heather and the others. you know, there were a number of
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victims that day. >> right. >> and that will eventually be uploaded retroactively into the statistics. i guess they were embarrassed into doing it. but, no, otherwise i haven't heard from anyone. >> why is -- why is this so important to you? why is it so important that she be included in the hate crime statistics? >> well, it's not about her. but the fact that two very well-known murders, kalib was the gentleman killed at home by his next door neighbor in tulsa in 2016 and hearth was heather was a publicized murder as well, if those two aren't even counted then how many more have we missed? >> the government currently has a stance that hate crimes are pretty much going away, that, as you know, journalists have tried
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to say white supremacy is a hoax, that there's not really a problem in this country. so i'm a person who wants to know the facts. so let's find out exactly how many hate crimes there are and then make a decision. i don't take my car to the mechanic without giving them a rundown of the full symptoms and then they do a diagnostic. i don't take my child to the doctor without letting them take their temperature, blood pressure, you know, giving them a list of the symptoms. so anything else in our lives that we do, we want all the information before we make a decision. the government has not been doing that. they've been defunding hate crime prevention. >> yeah. >> maybe that's not the best way to go. let's get all the facts gathered and then we can make a decision about whether we're properly allocating funds and resources. >> susan bro. susan, thank you for your time. thank you for your work. >> thank you so much. "the new york times" is
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launching the 1619 project this week observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of american slavery aiming to reframe our america's history saying that it started in 1619 when africans landed in virginia. my colleague, friend, political prize winning journalist contributed to the project. he joins me now with more on his piece on the roots of the racial wealth gap. we want people to read the story so we're not going to give it all to them. how did we get here? >> we began with the enslavement for hundreds of years of black people and the free labor that created the vast, vast wealth of america. but after enslavement ended, there was a moment there where president lincoln said that, you know what? we will give emancipated people 40 acres and a mule, right? 400,000 acres along the coast of south carolina and georgia and
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florida. but then once lincoln was assassinated, johnson comes into presidency and turned that land back over to white slave owners. from that moment on, after reconstruction ended, there was a campaign of terror and plunder. when you look at the generations of blood shed where across this country hundreds of april can-american people in clips of hundreds at a time were after murdered forced off their land, never to get their land returned to them. the heirs of the rightful property never received compensation. but then not only was there violence committed by people in communities across the country. but the federal government reenforced that violence in terms of segregation and redlining. so we know for a fact that wealth is in homeownership. it's not a driver, it is the wealth. for so long black folks have not been able to acquire that property to pass it on. that's where we end up where we are today. >> you also report the federal government actively excluded black people from government
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wealth-build prag building prog. like what? >> the gr bill. one of the tenants of the new deal was create a new middle class but usher veterans into this new opportunity for homeownership. there were suburbs sproting up across the country. black folks could not take advantage of that. it's not that they were explicitly denied access, but the gate keepers were oftentimes southern white men who refused to give these black service men access to those benefits. and so where they got low interest -- white folks got low interest loans coming back from the war, black folks could not. by in large that's changed on paper but we've never recovered. when you think about the average whitehouse hold, for every hundred dollars they have, black folks have $5.07. that gap is wide. black folks are 13% of the population but hold 3% of the nation's wealth. we've never recovered. there was an opportunity there, but it's been missed and we have never recovered. >> it's a fascinating piece. always learn something from you when you're on tv.
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thank you, sir. the unlikely pairing, i sat down with jay-z and nfl commissioner roger >> i think we're past kneeling. it's time to go into an actionable item. n a actionable item.
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rapper, entrepreneur, and executive jay-z will oversee music, entertainment even social justice programs for the league. jay-z and commissioner roger goodell made that announcement wednesday here in new york city. there's new criticism over the partnership and how it will affect change within the nfl. >> this morning jay-z making headlines for his new partnership with the nfl and his comments about the protests that sparked the relationship. opening up about their new venture in this video provided by the league. >> i think we're past kneeling. i think it's time to go into actionable items. >> the rapper and businessman has been a long time supporter of colin kaepernick, the quarterback who started a movement by taking a knee to protest police brutality. >> everybody know i agree with what you're saying. so what are we going to do?
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you know what i'm saying? millions and millions of people and all we get stuck on colin not having a job. >> he told he he'd spoken to kaepernick recently but wouldn't reveal what they talked about. kaepernick tweeted out a message and said i continue to work and stand with the people in our fight for liberation, despite those who are trying to erase the movement. jay-z sees this as a chance to build on the moment. >> is protesting on the field is the most effective way, protest on the field. if you have a vehicle that can inspire change or speak to the masses and educate at the same time, tell people going on so people are not controlling your narrative. >> the nfl and hip hop icon is playing on the same team. rocnation will be in charge of the halftime show. they'll release songs of the season with different artists.
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proceeds from those songs will be donated to various charities. it turns a year after jay-z turned down to perform at the super bowl. ♪ ♪ >> the nfl needed you, you need the nfl. what changed? >> the only way we're going to move forward is through conversations. and i guess my speaking out brought about a conversation, which brought about a conversation that led to a partnership. >> what does that social change look like to you? >> we spent a lot of time talking about our initiative that our players really created and that we support our players in trying to what we used the term inspire change. and to work with them on criminal justice, education, better relationships with law enforcement and the communities. >> what does that look like for you specifically? >> just looks like people respecting each other. >> joining me now is bill rhoden with espn's the undefeated. always good to have you, thanks for your time.
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when you heard about the partnership, what was your initial reaction? optimism or skepticism? >> well, neither one, craig. thanks again for having me. you know y filter this stuff. when you filter this through the prism of business, it makes sense. that's the only way you can filter this. this is a business move. as jay-z has said i'm a businessman. the problem becomes when you begin to filter this through the prism of morality, it makes no sense at all. i think that when jay-z attempts to explain away -- this has something to do with a movement, a cause, then he's way off base. he's basically just like the players when they took money from the nfl. when you prostitute yourself and you're going to be honest about it, say that's what it is. i'm prostituting myself or this is just about business. do not make this about the movement. this has nothing to do with a
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movement. you climbed into 32 people, you climbed in bed with 32 owners who have blackballed the very person who started this movement. don't try to explain that away. just be honest. you know, you're a billionaire, you don't have to paint this in any way. this is a business move. it's not a social justice move. you cannot say it's a social justice and colin kaepernick is still being blackballed. the two are incongruent. say what it is. >> bill, yesterday the commissioner, he told all of us if colin kaepernick wanted to play in the nfl, he could still be an nfl quarterback. it sounds like you don't buy that. >> that doesn't make sense. he does want to play. he wants to get a tryout. he's not even getting a tryout. that's the big problem. here's the thing. if jay-z climbs into bed with these 32 owners who are very good friends -- mostly supporters of the president, you
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know, they got to challenge this guy. a lot of people are bleeding out there. as we speak there's still funerals. if jay-z can convince these owners to either publicly or privately collectively tell him, man, you got to stop this. you got to ratchet this down. if he could convince then and convince those of us who are criticizing him that he's been able to get to these owners, his supporters, and tell him to ratchet down the rhetoric that's led to a lot of bloodshed. then all this works, all this makes sense. anything short of that, craig, is just really -- like i said, it's prostitution. just don't justify this. same thing with the commissioner. you know, this is a business move. this has nothing to do with social justice. it has everything to do with
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stopping the hemorrhaging with a lot of entertainers ignoring you and boycotting you. >> bill rhoden, espn's the undefeated. enjoy your insights. i'll let you get back to your vacation. that's going to wrap up this hour of nbc live. "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. and right now on "andrea mitchell reports," shutting it the gates. israel under pressure from president trump takes the rare step of denying visas to elected members of congress, two of the president's sharpest critics. >> the fabric of the nation is torn a little bit further by the president's actions this morning. the president has shown himself incapable of defending the very ideals of our nation. roller coaster ride. market futures down. then wall street bounces back today after signals from beijing about a potential trade deal. but president trump muddies the

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