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wall street journal" rick timorose. "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. >> good evening, chuck. thank you very much. a lot going on tonight. donald trump picking fights with a u.s. ally. donald trump caving to the nra over background checks and democrats say whistleblowers warning about improper influence in donald trump's infamous tax audit. we begin with what you call the ridiculous obscuring and extreme power power grab which may fail in the courts. there's a lot of news this week that could be from the onion, denmark punking trump over his musings about buying green lond. trump canceling a visit to a u.s. ally. and, of course, the story that has everyone asking to define
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the word star. sean spicer on a dance show. these are spicy stories. some are purely madcap like spicer is, some are spats that reveal something larger as u.s. foreign policy can turn on trump's frenemy issues. our top story tonight is about the trump administration's actions that are some history reaching extreme degrees. so if you heard much about this top story tonight, note donald trump isn't tweeting much about it, it doesn't involve trolling or reality shows. it is about a president seizing new powers to detain people indefinitely. let me repeat. indefinite detention. the u.s. constitution, most dem creations severely limit the government's power to detain people, people not just adults, not just legal residents but all people because protections for human rights apply to all humans. keep that in mind as you take in the trump administration's new federal rule seizing detention
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powers attempting to abolish the current court approved limit how long migrant families are detained. trump claiming the power to hold it for as long as their cases to get decided. some officials say that could be months but there's no formal limit. no limit means no limit. indefinite. some people could be released before 20 days are up, others might not be released for months or years. trump's own officials are struggling to defend this today. >> so there is no such thing as indefinite detention. >> what would the maximum be? >> there is no maximum. that is what's required complete the case. these individuals. >> there's no. >> it's important. >> there's no maximum equals indefinitely. >> no, it does not. >> that's a huge deal. it has been in the works but the formal rule is now being released in these waning days of summer. after months of immigration controversies. so what do you need to know? first, this is is an attempted power grab but trump doesn't get
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the last word because this would change agreement the presidents in both parties have followed. a judge must still approve the plan. the agreement it would alter is from the flores agreement. why is that that agreement? here's the story that predates trump. many presidents in both parties have been reined in by the courts over mistreating migrants and trying to lean towards indefinite detention when it happens. back in the 1980s, migrant kids fleeing violence were kept in the atrocious conditions can held behind a barricade of razor wire surround agold motel in bas pasadena, locked in overcrowded rooms, children and adults jammed together. "the new york times" reporting those kids didn't get recreation, visits with relatives and endured body cavity searches. tfds took judges rebuking the administration to stop the problem. we dug up how that you lawsuit from that the court battle was
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reported at the time. >> 14-year-old alma has been he would held in this detention center for a month and a half since she was caught trying to enter the country. under immigration and naturalization service policy, she can be released only to a parent. >> translator: but her mother is afraid to pick her up for fear they will both be deported. lawyers from the centers for youth law and immigrants' rights charge the children are being used as bait to catch parents. they filed a lawsuit challenging the policy and the conditions under which youngsters are held. >> that was a huge deal. they won a part of that battle, setting these rules ultimately finalized by courts in the clinton administration. those rules are part of the framework for most of these battles today from obama's handling of a central american migrant search so trump's crackdowns. . they claim that doing that was so they wouldn't be accused of holding kids past the 20-day mark and now at a time when
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steven miller consolidated more power over the entire immigration system, we see they will wholesale attack on these human rights rules. judges could reject this just like they recently rejected the trump administration's attack on rules to provide toothpaste and so to detained kids but let's look at this all together. as a matter of ethics these rules set a minimum threshold for human rights and dignity. as a matter of ideology, honest conservatives and civil libertarians support the protections both as human rights and as a limit on government power. you remember all the arguments about stemming the federal government's power? some of that looks empty as a republican president tries to seize these new powers of indefinite detention. one more thing, if this term rings a vague bell, if it sounds concerning, recall the last time the supreme court limited the government's power to hold foreigners in indefinite
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detention. it was in a case where the arguments for it are the strongest possible indefinitely holding suspected terrorists and enemy combatants at guantanamo bay. there were some strong security arguments there, some of those people looked terrible but that didn't mean a president could overrule congress and the courts to claim those unilateral detection powers even regarding foreigners or suspected terrorists. some of those claims to indefinite detention without trial were rejected by a conservative leaning supreme court and ruled unconstitutional. this history is the context for this power grab today that donald trump's not tweeting about. it's the context from the flores to gitmo to steven miller and this is a time to keep your eye on the ball. i'm joined by jason johnson from the root, victor defrancesco soto from the university of texas, and host of advice's latin x.
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your thoughts? >> i think you framed it perfectly. i think this goes way beyond immigration policy. this goes way beyond any sort of deterrence tactics. this is them deliberately and strategic little trying to rewrite who is sbiled to basic human rights. my question, instead of brown kids in these detention centers, instead of them if we had american kids, white kids, european kids, would they be pushing for in so hard? knowing what we know, they don't have toothpaste in there, there are kids sleeping in changes we know that seven children died under their watch. we know they don't have access to vaccines to basic shots. knowing all of this, why? why are they doing this. >> why right now. >> i go back to one thing i heard this week. as donald trump was pushing this anti-abortion effort, right. >> he was using these words and kept saying every child is a gift of god. he said those words. every child is a secret gift of
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god. are those children is? does he view them the same way. >> that's very important. we're talking about what the government can do to whom and to human beings you're talking about the value of life in that language. jason, viewers know you're not a big fan of the president. i think it's important that we look at this story tonight much broader than trump which is why we reported it out with some of that context. regardless of your views of the president, what do you think and would you support indefinite detention powers for any president? >> no, ari. the really dangerous part about this is you know in the military they call it mission creep but the same thing can happen with policy. if you basically say i can separate children from their parents until some legal issue is determined, right, at this point they're just saying until someone's immigration status determined. what happens in the instances where information to determine a child's immigration status based
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on information they would have to get from their parents, 3-year-old, 4-year-olds, 5-year-olds, they were brought here by a parent who was fleeing violence or danger or some other issue. it is an excuse to basically hold people indefinitely. if that can be done to people who are legally seeking the right to come to this country and seek ref future, that same policy could be used on american citizens. this is key and one of the reasons this is important. no matter how many times we say that this is a terrible administration and i love my country more than any particular presidency. the greatest fear we have to have is any administration using a power that can subsequently be used by someone worse down the road and as bad as we think donald trump is, imagine this sort of behavior, imagine this sort of policy in the hands of a president who is slightly more sophisticated that could use it for all sorts of terrorism, gang members could be defined as terrorists and held indefinitely. that is the danger what they
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could become down the road. >> victoria, here was the president on this. >> one of the things that's happening when they see you can't get into the united states or when they see if they do get in the united states, they will be brought back to their country, it won't matter if they get in or not because we're doing that, they won't come. >> there's a lot in there including a theory about how information about travel back. and whether indefinite detention notwithstanding what i laid out is wrong with itting will still be considered worse than what people may be fleeing. >> so the trump administration, steven milner particular, has argued that having families, family protections, protections for children basically the flores settlement is incentive for folks from central america to come, their get out of jail free card. these people are coming here because they are fleeing violence. the central american countries in the northern triangle are the ones with some of the highest
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homicide rates. the other piece to this is that we also see some of the highest, did, the massive gang culture taking place in el salvador with targeting women in particular. you're not going to leave your child. you're fleeing for your life and not going to leave your kid and is say i'm going to go here to safety. that's why we have the have the family units coming over. it's not an incentive. instead of attacking the victims of violence, why don't we give economic aid, help with the economic development of these places. ari it, costs $3.5 million a day to fund detention centers here in the united states. if we took that money and used it for economic development, we would not be in the mess and the humanitarian crisis that we are right now. >> yeah, and the reason i mentioned some of the history that this agreement was struck under the clinton administration to rein them in, that the obama administration had high deportation rates and struggled
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with the flores agreement is to make sure people understand while there are ways that trump according to the facts and evidence we've shown is far more harsh and more human rights abuses. the system here is about whether the executive in our american system will actually be held accountable or not. that's when you hear indefinite detention, you have to perk up. rulings and evidence we've can got. but as we've been discussion it's broader than that. here are some of the democrats in congress today speaking out where it does get back to the political side of it, not just the structural. take a look. >> that's actually what the administration proposes to do today to detain frightened families who wit's end at their most vulnerable indefinitely going forward. this can not be allowed to stand. >> this is another example of this administration's cruelty. >> everythinging about immigration he's done to try to
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scare people. >> jason, some of those former members of congress, many of them recognizable as pir rants for the white house but when you look at that, what do you see is important here? because when the democrats come in at the microlevel, right, which is individual cases, their stories, they're powerful, but it seems that today is a marker where we're at the macro level. steven miller was not kidding when he came out and said the president's powers shall not be questioned. >> right. and that's the thing, ari. this goes back to steve bannon. bannon's theory that the best way to sort of overtake this country was to tear down the state, to make the state so dysfunctional that you will lead to circumstances where will leave is, self-deport and allow the right wing forces to go forward. if this administration had not pulled so much funding away from immigration courts this may not be as much of a problem. the issue is, you have pulled funding away from immigration courts.
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people's cases are sitting there and stacking up and trapped for months and months and now you're saying you can hold them forever. this is a solution to a problem that this administration created so that they can continue what with their white nationalist policy. that is the dangerous here that the trump administration consistently creates problems, it creates are family separation and use that is to push through these kinds of dangerous. that is what many candidates should be paying attention to. the structural mess will have to be solved by one of these people if they end up being president next year. >> he said it perfectly fine. they don't even know what he this means logistically. this is part of their white supremacist manifesto. it reads like it, feels like it and happening in front of our eyes every day. >> pal local ramos, very well put. victoria and jason, thanks 0 to seiche of you. donald trump caving on background collection after nra pressure. we have that story. a parkland student joining me and trump's diplomatic chaos, a
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self-created problem. the greenland talk. we'll get into it with barbara res and what is trump's aide telling republican donors about the recession? later sean spicer. he knows the "snl" treatment. now signing up for more. we'll explain. all that when we're back in just 30 seconds. l that when we're bat 30ec sonds this was me six years ago... and this is me now! i got liberty mutual. they customized my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. then i won the lottery, got hair plugs, and started working out. and so can you! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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another top story tonight is the push for gun safety. in america and it comes in two parts. first, the progressing that gun safety groups are making. a spike in gun safety laws at the state level where most criminal law is made. the growing pressure on lawmakers in the do something rallies we've seen since the recent shootings. but then there's part two. after supporting background checks, donald trump is now formally caving to nra pressure which included a lengthy phone call with wayne lapierre, nra chief, that got results. donald trump backing down from his recent talk that he did support, he claimed meaningful background checks. shift comes as lawmakers are in recess and the gun violence crisis in this country continues can week in and week out. we hear more about the shootings that tragically do happen than the close calls. consider that there have been three attempted mass shooters apprehended since these el paso and dayton shootings alone and a man in new jersey hans had 17
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guns a grenade launcher and found with incriminating nazi paraphernalia. i'm joined by teeio roberts co-founder of the gun safety group march for our lives and former congressman steve israel, author of this book "big guns." good evening to both of you. congressman, do you see more hope in the part one that i mentioned which is all of this pressure that seems to be building or more in your view, disappointment as the nra has popped back up with this news tonight? >> well, in my 16 years in congress, there were 52 mass shootings. i lost hope and became very frustrated. i'm hoping tia can make a difference that the parkland kids can change the dynamic. let me take you inside congress. in every one of these 52 shootings, they all resemble, the response resembled every response before it. what happened was a tragic shooting. and members of congress would
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tweet their condolences and there would be moments of silence and flags lowered and my colleagues would say now we're going to do something. this time it will be different. it wasn't much different. they basic waited out the american public and thought maybe american votes are would have short memories and then there was a lot of waffling. tia, i hope that as i said before, the parkland kids will make a difference. the house and senate are coming back. there is one person on capitol hill who will decide whether the bill that the house democrats passed for strengthened background checks gets a vote in the senate. his name is mitch mcconnell. everything is on mcconnell now. we've got to focus on him. >> we have a former member of congress here shouting you out and what you're trying to do. walk us throughs it. >> yeah, thank you so much for having me. with this peace plan for a safer america, march for our lives is trying to change the conversation around gun violence
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prevention. we've allowed the gun lobby to have their opinion and pushed on a federal and state level for far tore long. with this peace plan, we're taking back the narrative and changing everything about this conversation from what we cite as the main sources of this problem down to the way that we approach solving it. it's not just about mass shootings. this is about everyday shootings that happen in communities across the country and this is about suicides that happen in rural and suburban communities. this is not just something that we can solve in a day. but it's not something that we can ignore. so we have brought this plan forward to say, this is where you take action. you can agree with us or you can coming up with something better but we can't stay where we've been because children will continue to die. >> and you lay it out there. think about what happened at the school you attended in parkland and congressman, the pattern
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here with donald trump is quite clear in the open which goes to the debates about how credit u lusly do you treat someone who contradicts can himself and lies so habitually. we want to show because a few days ago there was news of him claiming he would support background checks this time. he sounded a similar empty line after parkland. take a look. >> we're going to be very strong on background checks, we'll be doing very strong background checks. >> we have to keep the guns out of those that and this really includes background checks. >> but it hasn't included background checks, not as "the washington post" reports when the nra tells him that's enough, you can talk for a week, now you have to be quiet and i guess the president the most powerful government official in the country says okay, nra, i guess they'll call that. >> well, that's exactly right, ari. look, the whole problem is just
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raw politics. the gun manufacturing industry controls the nra. the nra controls even the president of the united states and members of congress. i can't tell you how many of my former colleagues republicans would say to me after they voted against something like strekenned background checks sboirtd by their own constituents in the members it only elevator, they would say i know i voted against that. i wish i could have vote ford it. i said why didn't you vote for it? the answer was i will get a republican primary. i can't afford it. when members of congress are more concerned about tia and their safety more concerned about them than losing a primary, maybe we'll see some action. >> well, stated. tia because you're sort of this activism leading how do we deal with this i'm curious what your movement is doing anwar organization thinks about the fact that the nra is not just an organization that is revolved
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around hunters or lawful sporting or you know, self-defense in the home. there's a lot of good arguments that related to why people in the united states have the long held certain guns. but take a look just at their spending, for example. when you look at what a political behemoth they've become, wayne lapierre billing the group for accused of self-dealing $39,000 for beverly hills shopping sprees. i think we have this, $18,000 here for a car and driver in europe. $13,800 in rent for an intern. that's a pretty good deal according to newly revealed internal nra documents. does it matter to your group that the nra seems to be doing things other than representing lawful gun owners? of course. and it should matter to the entire american population and everyone who previously thought that the nra was helping responsible gun owners.
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the only people that the nra is helping are gun manufacturers is just trying to put blood money in their pockets. >> iia roberts and congressman israel, really interesting having the conversation between both of you. i appreciate it the. >> thank you. >> up ahead, news on trump impeachment. the caucus growing again today in the summer. also what trump's acting chief of staff is saying about fears of recession behind closed doors. and after donald trump dumps denmark over the greenland drama, there's a deeper question about blind loyalties. guesses who here? former trump organization barbara res live on "the beat" when we come back. barbara res live on "the beat" when we come back. brokerage accounts. and zero minimums to open an account. at fidelity those zeros really add up. ♪ maybe i'll win ♪ saved by zero so that early retirement we planned. it's going ok? great. now i'm spending more time with the kids. i'm introducing them to crab.
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tonight, donald trump's brainstorming ideas and his internet trolling is all blowing up in his face on the world stage. it started with this. trump musing about a so-called real estate deal where he might try to buy greenland and trolling everyone by posting this photoshopped picture captioned "i promise not to do this to greenland." very funny, donald. but you're president so it's different than when other people post jokes online and it merited a response from the prime minister of denmark, a long-standing u.s. ally who said greenland is not for sale and added "i strongly hope this is not meant seriously." the idea may not sounds serious giving trump's photoshop
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diplomacy but he is taking the response seriously and taking rejection like a snowflake. canceling a planned bilateral visit to denmark. >> the prime minister's statement that it was absurd, it was absurd idea, it was nasty, don't say what an absurd idea that is. they can't treat the united states with a statement how absurd. when they say it was abzurd and it was said in a very nasty, very sarcastic way. >> okay. let's just deal with this real quick. we know it's how he operates. attack, troll, mock, bully and indig nantly clain other people are bullying him be it the danish prime minister or the media or his own aides from michael cohen to scaramucci who recently shared this cartoon online to ca tour the five stages of employment at the trump white house from walking in excited right there in the maga hat on your head to trump
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tweeting at you as he brandishes his knife to the final stage here a knife stabbed in your back in public so the new employees know what they're in for. but folks, as the old saying goes, there is bigger than greenland. okay, that's not a saying. but this is i think about more than greenland and more than petty feuds. this is now a challenge to our civics and our culture when the president of the united states wants to make all of this stuff our new normal and even the most measured observers among us have had enough. eugene robinson writing we must face the truth that our president is raving like a lunatic. so we turn to someone who tep us calm down, barbara rez, former vice president trump organization author of "all alone on the 68th floor" and knowledgeable in all things donald trump. not the only thing you've done in your life but it is relevant.
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>> it became very important for some reason. >> how is your summer going? >> good. >> yeah. >> it's nice to see you. >> thank you. >> it's bigger than greenland, right in the it's also about anything can become the most important thing to him if it wounds wounds him. is he a snowflake? >> oh, absolutely. absolutely. i mean, he does the worst things and when somebody just does a little thing, how dare they? this is the united states they're insulting. it's just ridiculous. >> and then there's the thing where everyone around him, not just his employees because okay, you have to leave if you're not going to support your boss in that world of trump. >> uh-huh. >> but even outside media allies who could let it go, they feel the need in this trumppified media machine to say everything is a good idea, everything is a serious idea. take a look the way the greenland thing was treated. >> the president who knows a
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thing or two about buying real estate wants to take a look, i don't understand why people are dismissing this like it's some sort of crazy idea. >> this is going to happen. anybody in denial, it's going to happen. truly an american patriot. >> that's funny. >> yeah. funny hawaii or funny the republic is slowly dieing? >> it's funny hawaii to be honest with you but i'm happy to see that it's slowly dying, committing harry caray i think you think the political movement is slowly dieing. > maybe that's wishful thinking but absolutely. >> when you look at the number of people who work for him not only in the old days like you but recently and then as we showed, they're publicly feuding with him, you keep it classy. you you are more like the michelle obama go high type. you obviously have disagreements with him and laid those out on
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substantive grounds. him and scaramucci are fighting like daupgz. this is from politico not much strategy behind trump's name calling when presented with the possibility the attacks have given scaramucci's attacks more oxygen, white house respond they give an "s." >> i was on a show with scaramucci recently, danny deutsch. he was like all gung ho for trump. >> recently. >> all of a sudden he changed. but you know, i don't mean to question his credibility. but you know, he just turned. he was pushing trump. he's going to win. he's the right thing. you know. i don't know. >> it happens though. obviously these people at some point before their last day on the job go oh, wait, this isn't working out. i want out and then i have to reposition on the outside. i don't know how you felt when you first left the trump organizationing in new york. you had all the racial strife, the central park five, him
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denying the department of justice, minorities and being able to stay in places. did you feel that you had to do some sort of reset with new york? because an now it's super sized. one explanation for scaramucci is he looked around and said i've got to get further distance from this. >> i think that's right. i think he thought he was getting into dangerous ground with himself. there's no gain for him actually although i don't know. there may have been a loss by coming out. as for me, i had my own reputation and i like to say no contract ker was ever cheated any job i worked on. >> you were overseeing. > he wasn't that bad then. people started thinking he was a little bit of a joke but later, later on when he started to get involved with the models and the trumpites and the wine and all that will stuff and "the apprentice" that to me and many people he's like a cartoon at that point. >> the last question before i let you go as a former trump
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aide, are you considering going on "dancing with the stars"? >> absolutely. i'd be great. >> yeah? what's your best dance move? >> i think maybe the tango. >> the tango is classic. barbara, we always appreciate having you here. you've been there done it, you know him and give us extra insights. thank you for coming through. >> my pleasure. >> i want to get into something with another special guest. you've heard all about the jirts, markets, trump recession talk. there's no stable leadership from the white house with growing signs of potential recession and trump is flip flopping on his own plans what to do about it. >> payroll taxes, i've been thinking about payroll taxes for a long time. whether or not we do it now or not is -- it's not being done because of recession. >> payroll tax cut which is aimed. >> i'm not looking at a tax cut now. we don't need it. >> okay. tuesday yes, wednesday no. he did the same thing on an issue that would benefit mostly
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no one other than the very rich. which is something they call indexing of the capital gains tax. >> so we're talking about indexing and we're always looking at the capital gains tax. >> have the executive authority to index capital gains? >> i'm not looking to do indexing. i don't want to do that. >> why so much contradiction in the open? there are reports recent trump is privately telling people he's rattled about this potential recession which might affect his thinking as he jumps back and forth what he might do and worried that he could lose the election over it, but then in public he denies it all. >> the fake news of which many of you are members, has tried to convince the publicing to have a recession. let's have a recession. the united states is doing phenomenonally well. >> we always look for new and interesting voices. first time guest is someone you have certainly heard of, a businessman and entrepreneur, a fashion designer steve madden founder and former ceo of the
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company that bears his name. nice to see you. >> it's good to be here. >> you are following one of the rules in tech which is the more successful you are, the less you have to dress up. >> i like it. if trump would give me a job in his administration, i would work in the economics department, i might take off my hat. >> you would take off your hat for that public service. >> needs a little help. >> claims to be a dealmaker. >> yeah. >> you are actually known to be a dealmaker. >> yes. >> assess him on what we just saw. does that back and forth matter to the economy? does it hurt anything? does it help when he goes we night do this or that? >> i think that he got himself in over his head with china. and you know, he's negotiating against a guy that's president for life. and trump is only president for another two years. so he's got not as much lever and as the other guy. i think the chinese thing is hurting the economy. the tariffs are hurting the
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economy. they're forcing prices up. people are going to lose their jobs. it's just terrible for the economy. >> is all know, what's where the economics meet the politics. what are the two things know that trump did? i'm not talking about the tweets. what has he done regarding the economy? everybody knows there was a big tax cut mostly to the top and there's a trade war on. >> yeah. >> you're saying the trade war doesn't help americans. >> the trade war is hurting americans. it really is. so much of what we have from our iphone to our steve madden shoes comes from china. not all my goods come from china but it's just going to force prices up. it's going to squeeze margins, cost jobs. it's a terrible thing. disrupt supply chains. >> we never know when you mention your name whether you're self-promoting or plugging your business. we can't tell the difference. >> you know, i'm doing all of it. >> it's all one and the same. >> what about the pushback someone would say, ari's talking
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to rich steve madden who has a business interest in china and cough yours he doesn't like the tariff war. if we beat china, if trump wins his aides and his economics aids would say we're going to beat china and in the long run we're going to get more shoes made here instead of elsewhere. >> we're not going to make any shoes in america but we have other jobs in america. we have design jobs, marketing jobs. we have retail jobs. creative jobs. it's shifted. we just don't have the hands that make the shoes now. they're made offshore. >> and you're saying i want to be very clear. even if you envision a fan fiction video game maga universe where trump beat klein, you're saying those shoes wouldn't come back to america. >> no, we're going to move production to mexico or vietnam or to africa. things like that. >> you're a boss. you're familiar with the term boss. >> yes, yes. >> you know. >> sometimes. yes. >> you know.
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>> yeah. >> bosses have to be held accountable sometimes. >> yes, yes. >> when you look at the polling on some of this stuff, it's always polarized and red and blue. there is an overwhelming majority of people that say if there is a recession and trump's worried about it, 69% of people say they would hold trump accountable. is that what you think would happen? >> of course. he's in charge. so he's going to be held accountable. i think it will hurt him. if he's watching, i implore him to end these tariffs. it's just -- it's really hurtful and it's causing so much chaos, disrupting supply comanz. it's going to cause recession. >> is china outsmarting him or they just have more more runway? they have more time. we are on a political calendar. >> yeah. >> you're dealing with whatever you want to call it, an autocratic country. >> it's different. >> they don't have a time limit to fight him out. >> yes, he's trying to do
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something, he's trying to help the president is trying to do something. okay? but he negotiating with the chinese like he's negotiating with someone from brooklyn is not going to work. it's just not going to work. >> barbara rez sounds like someone from brooklyn. >> maybe. >> now we'll talk about the predictions. you know better than some, the markets all over the place. mick mulvaney is privately telling it the sort of republican donor class, look, be ready for a quote moderate and short recession. is that what you're bracing for? >> i'm good at predicting heel heights. i just hope there's not a recession. you know, and i don't want to see a recession just because it hurts the president. we don't want that. but some of the things that he's doing could be creating a recession. >> like the other than the trade war. >> like the tariffs like the deficit is out of control. it's crazy. and the tweets. the tweets are hurting.
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the flip-flopping and the tweets are hurt too. the tweets are really hurting because it undermines sort of confidence and things. i know he knows better and i hope he stops doing it. >> you say you hope he's watching. what do you know about him. >> i have him a couple of times. i haven't met him. i was a judge on the beauty pageant like ten years ago or something. i think he means well. i just think he's misguided and he really needs help. he needs to get some smart guys around him. >> he means well on what? a lot of people don't feel like he means well on charlottesville or children in cages. >> he's made some mistakes. i'm not defending him. i think when he wakes up, he means to do well but i think he's misguided. and i think that he just needs smart people around him. >> you know how you talk? you're talking about him the way a lot of people talk about him in washington, d.c. including republicans. they talk about him like he's
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12, like means well but needs guidance. he's the president of the united states. >> we have the smartest people in the world in america. the head of goldman sachs. get some of those financial guys and surround yourself with them and try to make a good deal. >> i got a final question for you off politics. last question, what's the biggest advice you give someone watching about personal finance, personal planning how to live your life responsibly. >> so you know, i would say the most important thing i would say just not an answer to your question is. >> i love that. >> to young people, i want to say, when you go to work, try to do something you love doing. don't do it for the money. do it because you love doing it. >> don't do it for the paper. >> don't do it for the money. do it because you love doing it and the money will follow interesting and concise. steve madden, first time on "the beat," i hope you come back. nice hat. go yankees. >> there's a whistleblower now alleging the irs might be doing
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langevin, writing off his support today. we will see what speaker pelosi does when congress comes back from summer recess. that does it for "the beat." we have a big show tomorrow night 6:00 eastern. hope to see you then. right now, it's "hardball with chris matthews. >> something's rotten and it ain't denmark. let's play hardball. good evening, i'm chris matthews. watch as president trump is picking a fight with a loyal american ally for no apparent reason. he's cancelled a state visit to denmark, insulted its prime minister and thrown an historic relationship into chaos. all of this because denpark rejected his bizarre territorial

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