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the democrats, even with a bit i'll talk to two parents whose of a struggle to get on the same young son nearly died from it. page about what exactly is going we start this hour with the high on. st >> some call this a process of impeachment inquiry, some call it an impeachment investigation, there's no legal difference between these terms. i no longer care to argue about the know man clay hour. what we have is a walk down the yellow brick road. want to see the yellow brick road. the emerald city is impeachment and my colleagues are desperate to get there. >> our news team is here following the action on capitol hill with the rest of the day's big stories. i want to start with geoff bennett on the hill, kelly o'donnell at the white house. jeff, you are outside that hearing room right now. talk about what has already happened and what we expect to happen and critically here, what exactly this is and importantly what it is not? >> that's such a great point. a phrase we've heard time and time again from democrats and republicans on this package is
words matter, when they refer to the work of the committee it. >> i want to interrupt you because one of our producers -- >> the vote is happening now. >> she just sent a note. it is happening right now as we speak. keep talking but for our viewers we will hold up the live shot inside the room with tis all going down at this exact moment. continue and explain what exactly they're talking about here. >> yeah. we should say because democrats control the house. they also control this committee. we expect this resolution to pass. so this is not the -- a formal impeachment against president trump. this is the discreet and specific work of this committee to establish new rules, a new resolution, that would establish new rules for how they will carry out their impeachment inquiry into president trump and how they might broaden -- >> yes. >> we have numbers on that. this is passed along party lines, 24-17. the vote has been called according to your colleague on capitol hill, our house producer
alex. this is done and happening. this vote has occurred. now, essentially they've adopted the new procedures for the committee's investigation to determine, right, if they're going to end up recommending the articles of impeachment. >> right. so this was a party line vote. let me explain what this actually is. the new rules, we'll see this come into effect next week when the committee is set to hear from cory lewandowski, former aide to president trump. it allows committee staffers the real subject matter experts to question the witnesses. it allows this committee to look at grand jury information in closed session. this committee also still wants to get the grand jury information related to the mueller report. jerry nadler, chairman of this committee, explained these rules will make these hearings, subsequent hearings, more efficient and more effective as they try to build the public case against president trump. as that case democrats say gets stronger, they at the end of this entire effort will make a determination as to whether or not to introduce articles of
impeachment against president trump to the full house. now, this has been the entire effort has been a point of contentionmong democrats on this committee because they've all talked about it differently, some say inquiry, other investigation, the control room can tell me if we have that sound, i'm not sure if we're going to use it now. our colleagues have been on the hill days now talking to lawmakers and they've described it differently. we can hear some of that now. >> i don't want to get caught in semantics. >> essentially the impeachment inquiry has begun. >> a bit technical inside baseball maybe. >> we're holding hearings for the purpose of investigating the possibility of voting articles of impeachment against the president. >> for anyone that was confused we are in the midst of an investigation. >> people can call this whatever they want to call it. >> so jerry nadler at the outside of this hearing, halle,
says he doesn't care about the nomenclature or semantics. he says president trump poses a threat and this committee has an obligation to hold him to account. now, nancy pelosi, the house speaker, has not moved an inch on this and says that the best way to get donald trump out of the white house is to beat him at the ballot box. later this hour, we expect to hear from the hou holding a press conference, we'll be there in the front row. >> beating me to the tease. we will be there when you are in the front row later on. we expect we think one of the lawmakers inside the room running to one of our cameras right now and bring that live to you. we also have another lawmaker, senator mazy her ronna, a member of the democratic committee on that side of the capitol joining us. >> good to be back. >> your reaction to the breaking news happening in the last five minutes, the house committee here adopting that impeachment procedures resolution? >> i call on the house to begin an impeachment inquiry back in
may, so i'm very glad that they took this action and they will proceed in the fashion that will allow the american people to find out exactly the kind of abuse of power this president has engaged in, not to mention obstruction of justice, not to mention the violation of the emoluments clause. once again, you know, this president, i've said many times, cares mainly about two things, retaining power, protecting himself, and money. i think when the american people find out all of the things that he has been doing, then the impeachment inquiry will lead to, i hope, a discussion and vote on whether or not to proceed to impeachment. first and foremost, they need to do this inquiry. >> jerry nadler, we heard at the top of the show, doesn't want to get bogged down in the nomenclature of what this is, but i want to ask you, has the house begun an impeachment investigation into president trump at this point? yes or no? >> yes. that's what an impeachment inquiry is.
>> yeah. okay. do you have concerns that some of your democratic colleagues seem to be dancing around that phrase? >> i agree with jerry nadler, doesn't matter what we call it, but it does matter they're going to proceed to disclose to the american people the corruption and the obstruction of justice and all the things that this president has been doing. his abuse of power. >> doug collins, the ranking member, republican on the house judiciary committee, was fired up about this. i want to play for you a little bit of what he had to say a couple moments ago. >> welcome to fantasy island. we're here. it may all look good, the unfortunate part is when the screen goes down, you just see a simple procedure issue, a simple procedure issue that doesn't deal with impeachment, doesn't deal with anything else. simply gives another press release for whatever we're doing now. >> so senator, is this as the ranking member says, simply a fantasy island push by democrats? this is not going to go anywhere in the senate is it worth doing
by the house in your view? >> of course it's worth doing because it's worth telling the american people the behavior of this president and his obstruction of justice and abuse of power. since when is that not an appropriate effort on the part of the house and, indeed, for the senate? >> sounds like you applaud the move by your democratic colleagues on the house judiciary committee. >> about time i say. >> another big issue happening on the hill before we continue our coverage of this, the expectation that perhaps as soon as this week, according to our sources and people who have spoken publicly the white house may come out with a legislative package on what president wants to see on gun reform. 145 ceos sending this letter urging congress to do something. one of your senators marco rubio wrote an op-ed saying there has to be a bipartisan move. any of this if you have to move the needle with senator mitch mcconnell in your view? >> i think it's when the republicans and, of course, starts with the president who waffles on every issue, starts with the republicans in the
senate because the house has already passed the gun safety legislation, for the republicans in the senate to wake up to what 90% of the people in our country want, which is passage of gun safety legislation. so the pressure is building and i would hope that more republicans will wake up to the fact that they should be listening to 90% of what the american people want. >> are you optimistic that something could happen in the next few weeks or month or doing what i do, but at the same time i am continually disappointed at all the republicans who continue to give cover to this president and make excuses for him. i say it's time for all of that to stop and it's time to listen to what's good for the american people and that is to pass gun safety legislation. >> hawaii senator mazie her rone no, appreciate that. back to capitol hill where geoff bennett in the hallway with doug
collins. take it away. >> right on. congressman collins, we heard you accuse democrats of sim mat tricks subterfuge, giving the impression there's an active impeachment proceeding happening. >> i made a factual statement. the factual statement is here if you're in an impeachment inquiry that's a whole different -- i showed there's 900 pages of procedures from previous presidential impeachment inquiries. that belongs to the house. it does not inherently belong to the committee. so what i made the point of today, we simply took rules already existed in committee, nothing new here, and we just simply packaged it together so that people would believe it's an impeachment something. now they're investigating impeachment every day they wake up. that's not new. to try to use the rules to make people believe that, that's one of the main points. these words matter to people who don't follow this every day. those of us who follow this every day this is sim mat
tricks. but the people who may watch tv -- we want to make sure those words matter. >> to hear chairman jerry nadler tell it, these rules are important because as the committee continues to do its investigative work, for instance, one of the rules allows the president's counsel to respond in writing to some of the findings of the investigation, he says that's important to give president trump due process. >> that's a joke. to say that's due process for the president is a joke. look at the resolution it says the president's counsel can write a letter after the fact. okay. you can write a letter after the fact, that's not due process. due process is having input into the process and you go back and look at jerry nadler's own words from the late '90s, i encourage everybody to do, this was a different setup. you used the term new. i would encourage no reporter to use this as new. nothing new today. the only new was the packaging. that's all that it was. no new rule brought out. it was all there before. >> what would you rather have
this committee do, given president trump, this committee is trying to broaden beyond the findings of the mueller investigation to include president trump's reported dangling of pardons to staffers that might run afoul of the law that might push the border wall. the president's role in getting those hush money payments made to stormy daniels, what would you have this committee due giving your obviously gagtss to hold this president to account? >> i never stopped the committee from doing any hearing. if they want to do hearings, fine. if they want to do these, that's why they're the majority, they can set the agenda. when we look at this, it's amazing to me we'll have hearings talking about how bad things are at the border but never bring a bill forward. how bad things are with intellectual property with china, never bring a bill for it. even today in this resolution about russian interference in which we would have control over, but we talk about it but never bring a bill forward. at some point the american people have to look and say look you can have all the hearings you want, you won the majority,
at the end of the day there's also real issues you're not doing anything about and that's become the bigger concern. the chairman can call whatever committee he wants to, but don't do what you did today, take existing rules, put it in the new pam and as i said on the thing, take an instagram filter and make it look like something it's not. >> congressman doug collins, appreciate it. >> i understand we expect to hear from the chairman of the committee, jerry nadler. >> i want to unpack a little bit of what we heard from congressman collins there because he says, he rebuked you saying don't say there's something new, this is not new. this is it is fair to say a ramping of what democrats have been doing, which is pushing the investigations into president trump. any way you slice it this is an escalation, no? >> it is. and i'll tell you what, congressman jerry nadler the chairman of the committee also sort of rebuked me in a separate interview with him earlier this week. he says this isn't new we've been doing this since spring.
>> and -- >> this is an important and incremental but important step as this investigation, this inquiry moves forward. >> speaking of jerry nadler, over live in a different camera in the hallways of capitol hill. take you to him now and listen in. >> okay. this morning the judiciary committee adopted amended procedures to enable us to more effectively carry on the investigation that we're involved with. this investigation will allow us to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment with respect to president trump. some call this process an impeachment requirery, some call it an impeachment investigation. there is no legal difference and i no longer care to argue about
nomenclature. we're carrying on an investigation as to whether to recommend, to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment against the president. with these new procedures, we will begin next week an aggressive series of hearings investigating alleg abuse of power against the president. the investigation will go well beyond the four corners of the mueller report and we will be starting with our first hearing on september 17th, where we expect, among others, we expect mr. lewandowski to testify. thank you very much. >> what kind of event -- >> how long do you expect this process -- >> thank you, guys. >> why is it -- >> we'll see. >> what are the implications of the leadership not calling this impeachment inquiry? >> thank you, guys. >> do you have any concerns the speaker won't call it an impeachment inquiry. >> i'm not going to get into it.
>> so that's chairman jerry nadler moments after that vote to essentially proceed with some of the resolutions, the rules that would in effect escalate what he has called and others as the inquiry into president trump, the first real impeachment related proceedings. chairman nadler not taking questions there. somebody else might and that is congressman steve cohen in the room joining us live from capitol hill and what has been a busy 20 minutes or so. congressman thank you for making your way to a camera for us. >> you're welcome. >> explain why you voted how you did. >> it's important that we investigate fully the misdemeanors, felonies of this con.dent, as misconduct. he has repeated violates constitution, emoluments clause violations, making money out of his office, obstructed justice as in the mueller report, obstructed congress in denying
witnesses and information that it subpoenaed, and people have refused. he has not defended our country in the face of the russian attacks on our elections and what mr. mueller said is the ongoing attacks on our elections. he's attacked the press. he's attacked the judiciary. he has abused his power. we move forward today and we will concentrate the remainder of 2019 in investigations to reveal to the american public just how far this president has gone and just how lawless he's been. >> we will hear from your leadership, house speaker nancy pelosi who has been reluctant to call this an impeachment proceeding. jeremy nadler said it's a matter of semantics and doesn't matter. are these impeachment investigations against president trump right now? >> they are committee on the judiciary wants to hold and is hold, we are consistent with speaker pelosi who said we should investigate
and go where the facts lead us and the facts will lead us to having an impeachment vote in my opinion. the facts only lead one way and that's the constitution needs to be supreme and this man has violated his oath of office and destroyed the safeguards the constitution gives us for a president who puts the country first and personal profits second, puts the congress and separation of powers second and his office as article 2 office and not just the all pervasive power of the presidency. >> we heard from congressman collins moments ago saying hey this is new packaging, this is a pretty instagram filter that democrats are putting on something they've been doing for a while. is he right? is this more of the same? >> no. we have set out the powers of the counsel to ask questions for 30 minutes, which is important that they get to ask questions and keep a line of questioning going. that's what bill barr was afraid to do and why he didn't show up to our committee because he didn't want to have 30
minutes of counsel questioning because he couldn't stand up to it. it was made clear if we get the grand jury testimony, which is the meat and potatoes of what went in the mueller report and kept away from us by bill barr, we would deal with it in an executive session, but necessary for an impeachment inquiry. the republicans today, their first line of attack was saying this is nothing, this is not an peechlt, this is not an impeachment inquiry and first amendment, too important to be held at a subcommittee level and needs to be at the committee level it's too important. in law that's called a stopple. you can't claim one thing and then go and claim something else that's inconsistent with your main claim. their show was doug collins auditioning for getting president trump to nominate him to be a united states senator for georgia. it was an audition by doug
collins, he's been doing for months, matt gates auditioning for whatever prize he can get but build up ious. it was disgraceful, not a single republican brought up the misconduct of the president and they talked about him and treated him like as if he were abraham lincoln, georgia washington and franklin roosevelt combined. >> congressman steve cohen, thank you for joining us as soon as you finished that vote. i appreciate that vote. >> reaction at the white house, kelly o'donnell has posted up on the north lawn. it seems clear that president trump is watching what is going down because he is tweeting about some of what is going down. you have your phone in the other hand, the president quoting democrat al green saying apparently if we can't beat him, let's impeach him. his adviser kellyanne conway out talking with reporters a couple minutes ago. >> certainly the president adding his voice through a tweet and also using another tweet just a short time ago quoting
kevin mccarthy, one of his closest allies in the republican party saying the democrats have still not gotten over president trump winning the election. we had a chance to talk with kellyanne conway, counselor to the president, and if democrats are worried about semantics or discussing and debating amongst themselves about semantics, certainly here at the white house at the moment, there is an attempt to project disinterest in the impeachment inquiry or investigation or new rules or however it is being characterized today. there is this new step being taken today and the white house is trying to say it is not a big deal. obviously that is in their best interest to try to do that, and we'll have to see where things go in order to know if they ratchet up the heat. they are projecting this notion of disinterest and you will get that certainly when you hear kellyanne conway and the way she described this summer that the democrats have had and their attempts to deal with impeachment over the summer
months and how she believes there's some disagreement within democrats, among democrats themselves, and within the party about the best strategy now. here's kellyanne conway a short time ago. >> i know that some of them, anyway, to get their messaging straight are talking about impeachment. there's no public appetite for that and they had a big summer slump and the superstars who were testifying those were does after does after does. >> so does aftuds after duds. obviously chairman nadler and democrats believe they have new pathways of inquiry. if you hear the jackhammer that's an ongoing part of our life here at the white house and a great metaphor for congress coming back and trying to really sort of unearth things about the trump administration and so the white house is saying don't look here, the president clearly tweeting about it, so he's sensitive to it and we'll see how this plays out as the day
unfolds. we'll get a chance to talk to the president later when he departs the white house and, of course, he'll be addressing house republicans this evening in baltimore. >> he sure will. kelly o'donnell, talking to the jackhammer, i appreciate it. lots to follow because house speaker nancy pelosi is set to address reporters and might have a lot to say or might not. she will be getting plenty of questions from our colleagues who will be there in a couple minutes. coming up frontrunner joe biden and elizabeth warren face off on the same debate stage for the first time in the third democratic debate. we have our new nbc news reporting on why the honeymoon may be over for one of the leading 2020 contenders. as a struggling actor, i need all the breaks that i can get. at liberty butchemel... cut. liberty mu... line? cut. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. cut. liberty m... am i allowed to riff? what if i come out of the water? liberty biberty... cut. we'll dub it.
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we are now hours away from a matchup months in the making. we have new nbc news reporting. we're talking about the top ten democrats running for president on one debate stage which means for the first time you have frontrunners joe biden and elizabeth warren right there at the center of it. at least the first time this election. they have hisry when biden says warren gave him hell at a senate hearing a decade ago. it's happening in the lone star state, electoral gold mine turning into one of the bigger battleground states in the country. ali following elizabeth warren's campaign, mike covering joe biden, and garrett has new reporting from inside pete buttigieg and beto o'rourke's
campaigns. ali, big question, will elizabeth warren give joe biden hell tonight? what are you hearing? >> if your idea of hell is a policy centric debate, then maybe. because in talking to the warren campaign, they're comfortable with putting this on terms of talking about policy, talking about her plans, and talking about her personal narrative. they're not here for a boxing match. they're here to continue playing their game. but we know that maybe it's to the going to come in the form of attacks, but there are contrasts to be drawn between these two candidates at the center of the stage. joe biden and elizabeth warren. you mentioned they sparred over certain issues in the past, bankruptcy, the credit card industry. she took him sort of under toe 1994 crime bill she wanted to repeal the bulk of. today she came out with a social security expansion plan. she's coming out with a plan on the morning of the debate, but it could sort of show us where she might be going when she's trying to draw the contrast on the stage. they sparred over this a little
bit when joe biden was vice president and elizabeth warren was on the hill. that could be a little bit of shadow boxing for what we're going to see on the debate stage. these are the best laid plans, maybe not getting into a punching match with joe biden or the other candidates on the stage. what we've seen is sometimes the best laid plans can go awry. >> what about the best laid plans for joe biden? what are they and can he execute? >> hallie, i'm reminded what one biden adviser said, everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. the official line from the biden campaign advisors i've been talking to, as much as we want to make this about a two-person event, elizabeth warren versus joe biden, there are ten people on the debate stage and they expect some of the incoming for the former vice president and frontrunner in the race is likely to come from some of the others on the stage. that doesn't mean he's not going to try to stick to his plan, stay above it all and remind democratic voters what are his core strengths. shadow boxing is a good word,
for joe biden might be rhetoric versus results. he wants to tell voters something he said at the cnn climate debate a few weeks ago, having plan is great, but you need to execute on the plan. a lot of the big issues that democratic voters have been talking about taking on the nra and climate, about the economy and jobs, joe biden has executed on either as a senator or as barack obama's right-hand man in the last administration. of course hallie, as you know, there's a lot of focus not just on the substance of the debate but joe biden's performance. there will be a lot of scrutiny especially given some of the recent focus on his gaffes on how he stands on that stage whether he can deliver his message clearly, articulately and directly to voters as he intends to. >> you have a couple other contenders, pete buttigieg, beto o'rourke, a new piece on nbc news.com how they're trying to make this a moment for them. >> potentially. josh and i were comparing notes a few weeks ago and realized both candidates have spent the last few weeks trying to go back
to basics. that means different things for both. for buttigieg, returning to saturating the airwaves, doing as many sbrirs as possible and gone up on the air with tv ads trying to make sure he introduces himself to democratic voters he's still a new commodity. for o'rourke going back to red states, campaigning in arkansas, mississippi, rural counties in virginia, and focusing in o'rourke's case on one issue, gun violence and stopping it. that's the issue that he is trying to put front and center as he comes into this debate. his campaign announced this morning he's calling on banks to essentially cut off sellers and manufactures of weapons. o'rourke has been an uneven debater, even his supporters would crede to that point. if we're going to use boxing metaphors, they're not particularly comfortable throwing punches on the debate stage. they both know that they need a bit of a lift at this moment in time. we'll see if either can manufacture it either by talking about their own personal back stories, potentially, in
buttigieg's case or o'rourke able to focus on gun violence the way he has done on the trail on a crowded debate stage. >> do you get any sense that joe biden is concerned about the potential threat from the debate stage from the two candidates garrett has been covering? >> yeah. i think that's right. again this is less about elizabeth warren. if you look at the imperatives for the two frontrunners at center stage, to cement their status, stay ahead of the game and not get in the mix. for some of the others on the debate stage who need to make a move. we're heading into the fall campaign in earnest soon and that's what they're expecting tonight. biden will try to also pivot the conversation as much as he can to something you've been talking about, foreign policy this week. some of the chaos in the trump administration with his top advisors. that's going to be their attempt whenever he's taking that fire from his rivals to pivot to his core strengths. >> mike, ali, garrett, all in houston, are you guys all like right next to each other? like two feet away.
>> garrett is right here. >> very jealous of your houston experience. thank you so much. appreciate it. >> much more to get through coming up in the show including a live look at capitol hill and the developments related to that vote that just went down at the top of the hour. new reaction coming in from top lawmakers on the hill. we'll have it after the break along with president trump's trip to the city he described as dis gusting and rat and rodent infested mess weeks ago. how is he going to be welcomed? (classical music playing throughout)
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look at capitol hill and head back to geoff bennett on the heels of that vote to move forward with this impeachment related resolution passed by the house judiciary committee. geoff, what do you have? >> after we last spoke outside the hearing room i caught up with mark meadows of north carolina. he's not on the house judiciary committee, he's on oversight, an outgoing chairman of the house freedom caucus, close friend and ally of president trump and has the president's ear on a range of topics and i asked him what president trump makes of this entire impeachment question since we know from the president's twitter feed he certainly has been paying attention today. take a listen to what meadows had to say. >> if they want to impeach the president they need to go ahead and put the resolution on the house floor and vote for it. there are not the votes there. the american people are not in support of it. we have an election in just, you know, a little over a year. at this point, let the american
people decide. >> hallie, no president wants to be impeached, but based on previous conversation with people close to the president, president trump thinks if democrats were to do that, go that far, they would essentially overplay their hand in an election year and thinks that would be advantageous to him. interestingly enough, nancy pelosi speaker of the house, seems to agree. she thinks this would be a terrible move for her caucus in part because her responsibility as the speaker of the house, is to preserve the democratic majority and one of the reasons they're back in the majority because they were successful in the 2018 midterms in picking off districts that president trump won in 2016. after i wrap up with you i will head over to the press conference with her and put more questions to her. >> you better run, man, go now. >> i have my sneakers on today. >> thank you. i'll have a chance to ask potentially president trump about all of this when he leaves for baltimore later today. i'm headed to the white house for my other job. the president will have a departure around 5, 5:30 or so
going up to charm city after what was not a charm offensive but just regular offensive comments about d.c.'s neighbor to the north. elie j cummings is welcoming the president after the president called baltimore disgusting and rodent infested. he will talk with republicans on the retreat there. his first visit since going after the city and after cummings this summer. cummings is the head of the oversight committee ramping up investigations into the president, his staffers and administration, something cummings has no plans of stopping any time soon and he's wishing the president a pleasant visit telling nbc news i hope he gets a chance to see quite a bit of baltimore because it is a beautiful city. with us from baltimore, national political reporter for the associated press, ahead of the president's visit there, it's an interesting moment because the president is not addressing like folks in baltimore, people there, he's talking with house republicans who have traveled 36 miles from d.c. here to hold their retreat in the city.
>> that's right, hallie. we won't see him talking to baltimore residents and no indication that he has other plans while here in the city other than to address this retreat. as someone who has been spending time talking to activists and local leaders they see the protests planned on the ground in baltimore as a culmination of weeks of frustration about the president's comments which as you know are offensive and many here find dehumanizing to people who choose to make their lives here in the city. >> talk about the protests. what do you think we're going to see? >> i've been in touch with local leaders and there's a group calling themselves the baltimore welcoming committee and they have a whole string of actions starting today around 4:00 p.m. eastern ahead of the president's arrival protests near that downtown hotel. republicans are holding their convention. there will be actions throughout the week focused on climate change. organizers say these may draw hundreds of people looking to express their frustration and their disagreement not just with the president's comments but that republicans have picked this city to hold that retreat in. >> and let's be clear, republicans picked baltimore
well before the president made his comments about it being rodent infested, et cetera. it happened that was a lucky or unlucky coincidence. what is the expectation from the president's message to these congressional republicans if any idea? >> we're still learning more about that. i think we can expect this is a president we're likely to see energize. republicans are coming off a big win in the special election in north carolina and the president loves to chime in on those democratic debates. he will be in this city as democrats in houston prepare to sta take the stage, we'll see the top tier on the same stage, likely to be a bit energized and how he talks about the remarks he made about baltimore and its residents. >> enjoy that fair city. want to thank you very much. new developments today after the white house put its weight behind a push to ban some popular e-cigarettes. how you hear how one top administration official explains why. one on one with the secretary of
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pelosi holding her weekly breaching any minute and does it -- weekly briefing any minute. as we showed you at the top of the show, the house judiciary committee passed on party lines that resolution that would essentially escalate or move forward this impeachment related resolution against president trump. speaker nancy pelosi will get asked about that. this is set to start in about 35 seconds, although it appears the speaker is running late. we're watching a potentially defining moment in the opioid crisis. purdue pharma made this tentative deal to settle thousands of lawsuits. more than two dozen states and territories along with 2,000 local governments signed off on this thing. the specific are still getting hammered out but people familiar with the negotiations tell nbc news under the proposed deal the sackler family which owns purdue would give up ownership. the company would declare bankruptcy, dissolve and reform with future profits going to the plaintiffs. in all the deal is being valued at a whopping 10 to $12 billion.
we're following developments today on another growing public health crisis related to vaping with the trump administration announcing those plans to ban the sale of most flavored e-cigarettes. some health experts who welcome this, but other critics aren't so happy blasting the move saying the government is going too far. that's one of the questions i asked the nation's top health official in a one on one at the white house. >> what it means is that e-cigarettes that are flavored with mint, menthol, bubble gum, mango, cherry, whatever, are going to come off the market because those products have to be approved by the fda. children are using them, they're using them in epidemic proportions and we're removing them from the marketplace. we're going to still allow at least for now tobacco flavored e-cigarettes that adults use to ween themselves off of combustible tobacco like cigarettes, but if we find that kids are being steered into the tobacco flavored products or parking or availability of these
products to kids we will be taking enforcement action there also. >> one company juul has started to pull the flavored e-cigarettes off the shelves in many locations. is that not enough? why take this extra enforcement step here? >> the simple fact is that's not been enough. the data shows it's not enough to simply have it out of the retail environment. these kids are still getting access to flavored products. older kids, an 18-year-old will buy the product and sell it back at the school for younger kids. what we're seeing is a shift is from bubble gum, menthol, bubble gum, mango and other flavors into menthol and mint flavors which are equally as dangerous, but are even more widely available. >> what do you say to critics who would say to this, this is just another instance of government overreach here. the government trying to intrude into people's private lives. >> we're enforcing the law. the tobacco control act provides the e-cigarettes has to go through fda approval. we're enforcing the law that congress set.
the second, we have a duty to protect children. children are the ones using these products. we have 8 million adults using e-cigarette products, 5 million children are using these. it is becoming pervasive and a grave public health risk that children millions of children are becoming addicted to nicotine. at that age if you become addicted to nicotine you are likely to convert to combustible tobacco utilization. right now america is the envy of the world with our kid use reduction in cigarettes. we don't want that trend to reverse. >> would you characterize this as a crisis? >> i would characterize it certainly as an epidemic of youth utilization of nicotine delivery products and we're acting as if it's a significant public health event and that's why we're taking stron and immediate action there. >> later in the show heading
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ossoff, announcing this week his run against david purdue. ossoff joins three other democrats already in the race. you may remember the 32-year-old from was 2017 run that got a lot of national attention. remember the special election for a georgia house seat in a historically red district. ossoff lost by more than 4% to a republican in what was the most expensive house race ever. he's entered the senate race with an endorsement from congressman john lewis. joining me is georgia senate candidate jon ossoff. thank you very much for being on the show. >> good morning, hallie. thank you for having me. >> i want to talk about politics, but also about policy. bear with me as we tick through this. you said earlier in the summer senator chuck schumer wasn't totally supportive of your bid. have you talked with him? does he back your candidacy here? >> i met with senator schumer mid summer and he was open to my candidacy. i think everyone realizes with two senate seats now open in
georgia in 20 to the senate majority will be decided in georgia. my message for folks watching across the country, if removing mitch mcconnell from power, if restoring integrity to washington, if rooting out corruption is your highest priority, your eyes need to be on georgia. you can learn about electionjon.com. >> usually they wait until the end to give the website plug. come on, man. >> got to get it in. >> so senator schumer hasn't done an endorsement of you. >> that's correct. >> stacy abrams put out a playbook for what democrats need to do to do well in georgia, and underscoring the importance of the state. did you talk with her before you decided to run? >> stacy is a friend of mine. her campaign in 2018 was an inspiration to all of us here in georgia. she showed that when you build a grassroots army, reach out to voters who haven't heard from campaigns in decades, that you
can achieve extraordinary and historic things. georgia is at a tipping point. all eye also be on georgia next year. we have two senate seats up in georgia. this is where the senate majority will be decided. i'm running against senator david purdue, a caricature of washington corruption. this is a guy in half a decade as our senator, despite one in three rural children in georgia living in poverty, despite the highest maternal mortality in the country, half of our counties having no obgyn, has not come down from his private island once to hold a public town hall. hours after i announced he issued a frantic statement saying he was an outsider in washington. he's a cousin of the u.s. secretary of agriculture, fortune 500 ceo, $2 million of corporate pac funding. the idea that he's an outsider is a joke. >> we don't have an unlimited amount of time. i want to get you on policy
issues and where you stand. number one, where are you on impeachment? do you believe the house should move forward in what some are calling an impeachment inquiry of president trump? >> i think oversight and consideration of impeachment is a legitimate constitutional prerogative of congress. i think if the house moves forward passing articles of impeachment, the evidence must be unimpeachable. i disagree with some democrats who say we should rule out impeachment on political grounds and when the articles of impeachment are on the floor or if they should come to the senate, i'll weigh the evidence against the president, against the charges laid out against him on the merits. >> sounds like you haven't made a decision yet. another big issue on the hill is gun legislation and gun reform. you've talked about this being a big issue in your state. you said you support a ban on assault weapons. do you want to see a mandatory buyback? >> i think for semi-automatic weapons, we need strict licensing requirements. nine of ten americans support universal background checks. congress which is bought by the national rifle association refuses to act. no, the general public should
not be purchasing weapons that are derived from modern military technology absent some specific need and high qualification. these are dangerous tools. they're not toys. >> do you support a mandatory buyback of some of those weapons then? >> i don't know about a mandatory buyback. i support strict licenses for all semi-automatic weapons, universal background checks. i think assault weapons shouldn't be available to the general public. >> a lot of eyes on your fund-raising numbers. can you share anything with us after the first couple of days? >> a huge outpouring of support? >> quantifybly huge? is there a number on it? >> say that again. >> is there a number on it? is it quantifiable? >> we'll be releasing numbers soon once we have a clear sense of how much is coming in. we're seeing a huge outpouring of support. hallie, you've given me the opportunity, i want to remind their viewers. >> i cannot even let you do that. the show is almost over.
jon ossoff, thanks for coming up. tariffs on $250 billion worth of chinese products have been delayed until october 15th as a gesture of good will. this is important news. the president tweeting this morning that china's boycott of american agricultural products might be coming to an end. that would be good news for farmers who have been struggling, especially in places like georgia, by the way, due to this on going trade fight. if you ask treasury secretary steve mnuchin, everything is going according to plan. moments ago here is what he had to say. >> the only reason why china is seriously negotiating with us is because of the tariffs. tariffs do work. it's what's brought them to the table, no different than sanctions work. the president, of course, is a negotiator. this delay was a good will gesture and nothing more. >> time to get a look at what our sources are saying. aaron blake is senior political reporter for "the washington post," friend of the show doing us here. what are you digging on?
what are your sources telling you on the story you're covering today? >> obviously the democrats are debating in texas tonight. there's talk about whether democrats can put that state in play. we're not breaking any new ground by talking about that. there have been a couple of polls this week that really suggest and add to previous polls that also suggested this state could be in play. i'm talking to democrats right now who believe this is something we need to look at seriously, less concerned about looking like they're going after pie in the sky on this and talking about putting money in the state to see if they can move numbers, convince people and put this state in play, for the most part not just because they wanted to put it in play, but if they were able to pull this state out, the math for president trump would become so difficult in 2020. >> that's interesting. aaron blake, always great to have you on. i appreciate it. we' out of time. craig melvin picks it up. i think i'm handing over the show at the appropriate hour? >> you've actual glif en it to me 20 seconds early which is very unlikely.
i appreciate it. thank you, hallie jackson. craig melvin here, msnbc headquarters in new york city. texas showdown. tonight's the night. 2020 democrats finally facing off on a single stage and there are some big story lines playing out as some are facing a make-or-break moment while others are trying to hold on to the momentum they've created. we'll break down strategy with campaign insiders. plus a public health crisis that demands urgent action, those are the words from 145 ceos at some of this country's largest companies. one of those ceos will join me live straight ahead. a vaping.