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or visit lifelock.com/tv welcome back. we are just back. a heads up, the next two candidates on that stage who we'll hear from are julio castro and elizabeth warren. good evening, as we span the top of another hour. top ten candidates all hoping to unseat donald trump, all wrapped up their third debate about an hour and a half ago now. this was the first one with all ten on the same stage. they met in houston on the campus of the historically black texas southern university. also, the first in person face-off for front-runner joe
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biden and elizabeth warren and bernie sanders. the opening discussion was over health care. >> i think we should have a debate on health care. i think i know that the senator says she is for bernie. well, i'm for barack. i think the obamacare worked. the senator on my left has not indicated how she pays for it. and the senator has in fact come forward and said how he's going the pay for it, but it gets him about halfway there. >> what we're talking about here is what's going to happen in families' pockets. what's going to happen in their budgets. and the answer is on medicare for all, costs are going to go up for wealthier individuals, and costs are going to go up for giant corporations. >> medicare for all is the most cost-effective approach to providing health care for every man, woman and child many this country. i who wrote the damn bill, if i may say so. >> some of the sharpest exchanges of the night took place between two former obama
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administration veterans when former housing secretary julian castro took on former vice president joe biden in response to a question about the obama administration's immigration and deportation policies. >> my problem with vice president biden, and cory pointed this out last time, every time something good about barack obama comes up, he says oh, i was there, i was there, i was there, that's me too. and every time somebody questions part of the administration we were both part of, he says well, that was the president. he wants to take credit for obama's work, but not have to answer to any questions. >> vice president biden? >> i did not say i don't -- i stand with barack obama all eight years. good, bad, and indifferent. that's where i stand. i did not say i did not stand with him. >> then when it came to the issue of gun violence, the candidates were clear about where they stood. >> i met the mother of a
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15-year-old girl who was shot by an ar-15. and that mother watched her bleed to death over the course of an hour because so many other people were shot by that ar-15 in odessa in midland, there weren't enough ambulances to get to them in time. hell, yes, we're going to take your ar-15, your ak-47. we're not going to allow it to be used against our fellow americans anymore. >> i'm the only one up here who has ever beat the nra, the only one that beat the nra nationally. i'm the guy that brought the brady bill into focus and it became law. >> nobody has ascended to the white house that will bring more personal passion on this issue. i will fight this and bring a fight to the nra and the corporate gun lobby like they have never seen before. >> on mitch mcconnell's desk are three bills. universal background checks, closing the charleston loophole and passing my bill to make sure that the domestic abusers don't get ak-47. we got to send the message to mitch mcconnell.
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we can't wait until one of us gets in the white house. we have to pass those bills right now to get this done. we cannot spare another innocent life. >> as opposed to the past democratic debate where there seemed to be more attacks on barack obama than any other, tonight the democrats seem to be unanimous in their attacks on donald trump. >> let me be blunt and tell you what you don't hear much about in congress or in the media, and that is it goes without saying that we must and will defeat trump, the most dangerous president in the history of this country. >> we have a guy there that is literally running our country like a game show. he would rather lie than lead. >> donald trump came into office and spent almost the entire first year of his term trying to get rid of the affordable care act. if we don't get donald trump out
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of office, he is going to get rid of all of it. >> we have a white supremacist in the white house, and he pose as mortal threat to people of color all across this country. >> he says build a wall. i'm going to say to immigrants, come to america because if you come here, your son or daughter can run for president. >> anyone who supports this is supporting racism. >> the only people, though, who actually buy into this president's hateful rhetoric around immigrants are people who don't know any. >> and without any further delay, to houston we go to chris matthews standing by with senator warren. >> i am. and i'm lucky to have her. senator elizabeth warren, i said you had an ability tonight to sort of do your thing, hold on to your position, which is rising in this polling and all the polling. you're doing really well. you're probably going to peak early next year the way you're going, which is where you want to peak, i assume. did you get a sense tonight that you and bernie sanders were the ones with an agenda to get something done?
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and the other candidates want to be president, but you have a very clear -- i mean, you went over it tonight. you were 95% of student loan repayments. he is for 100%. it's that intricate, the differences. you talked about health care in a way. he does it more ideological language you. talk about structure of the economy and power at the top. a wealth tax. the danger i thought posed by the other people talking about that, i thought klobuchar was talking like that. we have to be careful that doesn't divide the country. too much of an ideological or too much of an agenda going into the congress in '21 will make the country just as divided even if it's tilting left. >> i actually disagree with you, chris. >> go with it. she said that's what she was warning about. >> i think the break right now is between the wealthy and well connected for whom this government is working great. wow. you want to get a trillion and a
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half dollars in tax breaks? you got a government that said let's do it and let's do it fast. you're running a business that wants to roll back environmental regulations so you can dump poison in the water and spew toxins in the air, you got a government that's working for you. this government is working great. don't talk to me about gridlock. it's working great. but it's working for a very thin slice at the top, and everyone else is paying the price. and here's the deal. people across this country know it. i got to tell you, chris, you know i'm out doing these town halls. i love it. >> look likes it. >> the big advantage to not spending all my time behind closed doors with because bazillionaire is. i have done 130 town halls. i've taken thousands of questions.
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every time i talk about the influence of money, and i call it out for what it, corruption, i watch people around that room go -- it's not a big one. they just nod and get it. and keep in mind, i don't just go to blue states. iowa been to west virginia and mississippi and alabama, to arizona and to utah. i go a lot of place where democrats don't go. all the way up the midwest to wisconsin and michigan and to red places within those areas. and those folks get it. they know this government is not working for them. >> the people they get the see senators have money. >> yes. >> the people on the schedules for senators. >> yes. >> how do you stop that? >> so -- >> how do you stop the basic way things work in politics. people with money get in the door.
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>> so that's what my anti-corruption is all about. the influence of money in washington is huge, and the point is it's just as you identify. it's campaign contributions, but it is so much more. so i have a bill that's a big bill. biggest bill since watergate, and it goes after the influence of money in lots of places. so for example, it says end lobbying as we know it. you want to be a senator? you want to be a cabinet secretary? good. but you can never become a lobbyist. you're not going to go trade on the rolodex for the people. >> you think that will get through the courts? >> oh, yeah. >> you think so? >> oh, look, this is not saying that people can't petition their government. what we are not obligated to do is support a multibillion industry that sells influence. block the revolving door between wall street and washington. >> i'm going with eddie rendell, the former governor of pennsylvania. you know what he wrote in "the washington post." he said you're a hypocrite
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because you took big money donations from people like him, although i think he gave you $4,000. what is that change of heart about? is it a change of heart? >> i raised $19 million in small campaign contributions. >> right. >> and then i turned around and thought well, i could spend it on radio and tv and so on. but instead, i gave away or raised $11 million for democrats all around this country. for state parties, for trying to help the team. >> but why did you shift away from taking large private donations? >> because the way i see it, i used to have an average donation of $29. >> right. >> i now have an average donation of $27. but here's how i see it. when i make a decision to run for president, i knew what i would be fighting for, but i also knew how i wanted to fight.
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i didn't want to sell access to my time. i wanted to spend it by building a grassroots campaign. and here's why. we have one comparative advantage going into november of 2020 that is if we build that grassroots movement and do it now. the only way that happens if we say we're going to spend the time with you. we're going to do it on $5 and $10 contributions. people who donate an hour, people who agree to cover the office on tuesday morning, it is the right way for us to run a primary campaign. and to rebuild our democracy. that's our chance to do it in a primary, and i'm delighted to do it. >> can i just ask you one last question? i'm getting called here. i'm getting the signals. you were very dramatic on afghanistan, which is a big part of the topic we're all arguing today, what trump's over up to. nobody knows. you said let's get out. everybody said let's get out, no ground troop, and that's a popular idea. i understand that. how do you at that point stop them from reengaging from al
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qaeda and doing again what they did in 9/11? if we pull all the troops out. >> look, we have to treat terrorism as a global problem. >> right. but how about afghanistan? >> this is not a problem specific. we have to treat this as a global problem, wand we have to acknowledge the limits of what we can accomplish with the military. >> okay. >> we are not going to bomb terrorism out of existence in the mountains of afghanistan. the way we are going to make this world safer is we need to work with our allies and to say to all of them, this is the world's responsibility, not just ours. remember, the french, the brits, the japanese, the south koreans, even the chinese and the russians have an interest in saying we got to stop terrorism. >> so you would be confident as an american and as commander in chief to yank the troops out and still be confident that in that part of the world, which is what caused the hell in new york and at the pentagon and over pennsylvania, you'd be confident we'd be able to fight al qaeda in that country without having
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troops there? >> this is not about fighting troops. it's not winning. we are not winning and we are not making ourselves safer in afghanistan. like i said, it was john mccain's last trip, and mccain and i didn't always agree on where the pieces go, but we both asked over and over and over, describe to me what winning looks like. >> you made a very strong position. >> and they couldn't do it. >> you took a position tonight. >> and that surprises you? >> i'm always impressed by gutsy decisions. thank you so much, elizabeth warren. >> take care. >> again, untouched tonight. she you did it tonight. brian, she did it tonight. >> with thanks to elizabeth warren and chris matthews. come on in. you know everyone already. nicolle wallace is with us. claire mccaskill, eugene robinson for "the washington post." and because joy reid is going to take over our coverage in less than an hour, joining our conversation once again, karine jean-pierre.
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she is chief public affairs officer for move on and an alum of the obama campaign and the obama white house. and at the big board on our southern peninsula is steve kornacki, who has been crunching the numbers as he is fond of doing on one elizabeth warren. >> well, you were just talking to her right there. how could elizabeth warren win the democratic nomination. we talk about she has moved up nationally, second, maybe third with biden out in front. she and sanders sort of second or third. one answer for how warren could win the nomination, win iowa we showed you this poll a few minutes ago. this is the most recent iowa poll. you've got three candidates in double-digits. you've got biden in front. sanders second, warren within striking distance. you think about those voters in iowa, those caucus-goers, they tend to be more liberal. they tend to be activists. and boy, do they tend to have a major effect on how the race is reshaped. let me show you two recent democratic nominees who owe it to iowa. here is what i mean. let's take a trip back to 2004.
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you remember these names? this is the last national poll, national poll right before the iowa caucuses in 2004. the front-runner, remember this? it was howard dean. wesley clark, john kerry at 11% nationally. they held the iowa caucuses. john kerry won the iowa caucuses. here is the first national poll. days after the iowa caucuses. john kerry rocketing up 19 points. new front-runner. more than 2-1 ahead of john edwards who came in second place. dean crashing. kerry wins new hampshire. kerry wins almost every other primary. iowa turned it all around for him. how about this last poll nationally before the 2008 iowa caucuses. hillary clinton comfortably ahead of barack obama. she had led all year. hillary clinton led obama nationally all of 2007. this is what the race looked like. you remember, obama wins iowa. second place was edwards. third place was hillary clinton. first national poll after iowa, clinton down 12. obama up into a tie with hillary
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clinton. edwards there at 20%. we don't talk much about him anymore. but clinton/obama. >> i forget what happened in that election. >> another story for another night, right. karine, steve kornacki has the numbers to show it. howard dean disappeared because of the dean scream. >> the scream. >> joe biden, he is so known. he's known inside and out. claire's already had a visceral reaction to this idea of the frailty of biden's lead. it is big, and it's pretty decisive. >> yeah, but okay. so when biden jumped in, he was in the 40s, right? and now he's below 30%. and so there has been a moderate drop that we have to acknowledge and say, look, there is something. he is a front-runner. but he is indeed a weak front-runner there was a "washington post" that came out earlier this week that said 50%
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of voters are willing to switch their support. that's kind of where we are right now. and steve just did a great job talking about iowa and the history of iowa and the importance of iowa. if you look at the caucus electorate in 2016, it was 70% liberal. so yeah, someone like elizabeth warren, someone like bernie sanders who ran four years ago. if one of them win that state, i mean, that electability argument that joe biden has, that is gone. and what happens in new hampshire? and do the african american, the older african american in south carolina, do they hold on once south carolina comes around. so i think there is a real conversation to be had. look. to claire's point, joe biden is incredibly popular, and he is well known. we called him uncle joe for a reason, right? because we knew about the gaffes. there was something about him that is incredibly lovable and likable. there is going to -- he is not going to go down tomorrow if anything happens.
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there is a trust factor and a comfort factor with him. so that is real. but the numbers have moderately dropped, and the person that chris just interviewed, elizabeth warren, has been shooting up in the polls. and so we'll see what happens. >> senator? >> every time that -- i'll tell you who -- this is driving me crazy is bernie sanders. because -- >> just in general, claire? >> we're here for you. >> it's driving me crazy because he would make the argument that his numbers have been pretty stable too. >> uh-huh. >> and that, you know, elizabeth, yes, she has moved around, but in many of thele pos he is second and she is third. but all everybody is talking about is how elizabeth is moving and bernie is sticking around. and therein lies the issue in these early states. you have the left base of the democratic party, somewhat split between bernie and elizabeth,
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and the question is can biden continue to coalesce the rest of the democratic party or will mayor pete get in there, or will kamala get in there. listen, this race is fluid. >> i'm not saying that this is a forgone conclusion that joe biden is the dominant candidate in this race. but i am saying that this talk that he's going to collapse or that he's so fragile, or that i think ridiculous narrative that the guy gaffes. i mean, for gosh sakes, we've got the lie every what, every 30 minutes out of the white house. these are lies. these are purposeful lies. >> if that's my question to our pulitzer recipient, every journalist -- as i keep saying, every journalist has an f8 key that says biden's gaffes. it's a thing. match up against one day of this president's. >> have you ever heard a normal person talk about gaffes? it's a journalism word that should be -- should actually be banned, and you should say what you mean rather than just this blanket term gaffe that doesn't really mean anything.
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you're exactly right. against what we get from the white house on an hourly base. >> the false equivalence. >> there is no comparison at all. you know, i think if the dynamic of the race is as you say, i'm not sure i saw anybody on that debate stage in that sort of moderate lane whose really gaining a lot of ground on joe biden right now. >> that's true. >> i saw some people who if biden were to falter, who maybe could pick things up. but i didn't see anybody really taking him down. >> i always feel like i have to get in here on gaffes. i worked for george w. bush. >> you helped to catapult the propaganda. >> no, no. on a serious note, voters process humanity. george w. bush made gaffes. he had -- i made a joke he pushed no child left behind, and once said is our children
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learning. is made that line famous because at the first white house correspondents dinner, he did an entire speech, it was 45 minutes long making fun of all of his own. you might have wondered when i meant when i said if our children learning or this one when i said ob/gyn's can't spread their love with women everywhere. >> it's hysterical. >> and he didn't get worse, and he didn't start making gaffes when you're president. i'm not making any point. i'm not disagreeing with any of you. my only point is gaffes are sort of like a proof read they're reads a paper. it doesn't take away from sort of the beauty of an essay. it's a proof reader's job to take points for punctuation. it does not have voters process anyone full stop. and he may fail. he may come up short, but it will have nothing to do with what we talk about every day. >> i absolutely believe you. totally in agreement with that. the only other thought and then i'll shut up for a second is elizabeth warren, we keep
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thinking in terms of left and right and liberal ring and moderate wing. as i said on your show and i've said on your show too, i just think our conception of left and right and where people are on that scale is out of date. i think people are at a different place. it's on a different axis now. we shouldn't just think of her, put her in a far left pigeon hole. >> only one of the candidates -- i was just going to say only one of the candidates on stage tonight offered money to americans. >> oh, my gosh, that's right. >> and the same candidate was the only candidate who talked about a colossal business failure and did it forthrightly. and that sour way of saying chris matthews is standing by with mr. yang. >> i've got andrew yang here. you know i have to talk to you about your campaign because you are a wonder. you're a long shot, i think that's fair to say. >> sure. >> and you come from outside the political world. and yet everybody listens to you.
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so here is your chance. what are we getting out of a three-hour debate tonight? i was going through the topics. which they did a good job at abc. health care, the number one issue with democrats. guns, the hottest issue right now. immigration, it's not going away. afghanistan, which was a very hot topic this week. and of course education the second issue among democratic issues. so they hit that hole panoply of issues tonight. what would a reasonable person say the democratic party is about right now if they watched the whole three hours? that's the big question, but you're a big thinker. >> ideally, the democratic party is about solutions that improve the lives of working americans. and the reason i'm running for president is that right now working americans are seeing less and less of the economic
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gains of the 21st century. the gains are being captured by a smaller and smaller group of both companies and individuals. >> is that because the big equity operations buy these companies, sometimes they chop them up. sometimes they do some things to change the management, but they suck the wealth away from the entrepreneur who started it and they make zillions of dollars on wall street. is that's what's going on that's different in the last 30, 40 years? equity? something is different. >> the financialization of a lot of these operations is definitely a huge factor, but an even bigger factor is this winner take all economy where you have a trillion dollar tech company like amazon literally doesn't need to make profits in a given quarter, putting 30% of main street stores and retailers out of business. how can you compete if you're sear's or some main street hardware store against amazon that can undercut you at every turn? so amazon's closing 30% of american stores and malls and paying zero taxes. >> they can open up a bookstore in bethesda, and i've been told it doesn't matter if they make money or not. >> it doesn't matter. how can you compete against that? that's the winner take all economy we're in the midst of. >> how does a politician stop an amazon which owns the "washington post"? >> so this is the fundamental
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question. other companies have figured out you can't let a company like amazon become a trillion dollar company and not pay its fair share of taxes. my plan is to get our fair share. >> how do you grab sales tax? >> you pass a added value tax, that would fall on the googles, the facebooks, the ubers, you get us a tiny slice of every google search, every facebook add. >> does that level the playing field with the local gift shop that's dead on main street? >> what it does -- >> georgetown is in trouble. you've seen these storefront businesses are in trouble. every mountain town. >> i agree. >> they always have the town at the highest elevation. as you drive through town, there was a gift shop, a flower shop, a bakery. gone. >> gone. >> because walmart and those companies can sell lots of that stuff cheap. >> so what walmart did to main
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street store, amazon is doing to walmart. so that gift shop can't compete. so the only way to -- >> what can you as a politician do? >> what we do is -- >> if you got elected president. >> we supercharge the consumer economy of that rural area with a thousand bucks a month for every individual. and then -- >> but they'll spend it at walmart. >> no. they'll spend it on their main street stores, on day care, on car repairs, on little league signups. it will actually give americans a real path forward and help rebalance the winner take all. >> you did a great job of setting up the problem. we'll talk about the solution more. >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much, andrew yang. back to you guys in new york. >> thanks to andrew yang and chris matthews. another break for us. coming out of that break, the promised interview with julian castro and chris matthews.
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the difference between what i support and what you support vice president biden, is you require them to opt in, and i would not require them to opt in. they would automatically be enrolled. they wouldn't have to buy in. that's a big difference, because barack obama's vision was not to leave 10 million people uncovered. he wanted every single person in this country covered. my plan would do that. your plan would not. >> they do not have to buy in. they do not have to buy in. >> you just said that you just said that two minutes ago. you just said two minutes ago they would have the buy in. you said they would have to buy in. >> they don't have to buy in.
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>> are you forgetting what you said two minutes before? are you forgetting already what you said just two minutes ago? i can't believe that you said two minutes ago that they had to buy in, and now you're say thanksgiving don't have to buy. you're forgetting that. >> i said anybody but a grandmother who has no money. you're automatically enrolled. >> that was a shot at the senior statesman on the stage. and so earlier, our colleague chris matthews had a chance to talk with julian castro just a few minutes ago. chris asked him about those contentious exchanges with joe biden. >> mr. secretary, thank you for joining us. >> yeah. >> you know we got the word before tonight's debate from a report they're you were going to go on the attack against biden. it was all telegraphed by somebody. how did that happen? how did we know about that, that you're going after biden? >> there wasn't going to be an attack necessarily on biden. >> no. it was particular that you were going after biden. one of our top reporters said to us on air at 7:00 tonight that
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you're coming in here tonight to go after biden. >> then that reporter had it wrong. >> got it right. >> well, i didn't telegraph that before. what i did want to do is make clear the distinction on health care policy. and, you know, what i pointed out tonight was that last time we were on the debate stage in detroit, senator harris told vice president biden that his plan would leave 10 million people uncovered. >> right. >> and he said, no it wouldn't. well, the media, the fact checkers did their job and actually, yes, his plan would leave 10 million people uncovered. so i pointed that out tonight. >> but inaccurately. >> no. >> no, no. because biden came back and said they would pay for people that couldn't afford it. well, we can go through all the tapes. >> if we go through the tapes, what you'll see he says. >> no, i'm saying what he did say. >> what he did say was he said that if you lose your job, that you would automatically buy in. you could automatically buy in to his plan. this is significant, chris. this is the difference. when he says the words buy in,
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not everybody can buy in. >> he said anyone who can't afford it gets automatically enrolled in the medicare type option. anyone who can't afford it gets automatically enrolled into medicaid. he didn't say he had to buy. >> if you go to a different section of his comments, he said if you lose your job. >> but he did say it would pay for people who couldn't afford it. >> he said the words buy in. that's significant because the fact checkers have said that's exactly why his plan is going to leave 10 million people uncovered. >> so you're glad you did this? >> of course. when he said the words "buy in," i said look, you just said the words buy in. he said no, i didn't say buy in. i said yes, you did. and when you get to your full transcript, you will see he did say that. >> most people thought there was another aspect to this. you were suggesting a man of 76 years had lost the ability to remember what he just said. short-term memory loss. >> not at all. >> you rubbed in three or four times. you kept saying, you don't remember, you don't remember. >> we had a disagreement about whether he said the words buy
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in. he did say the words buy in when you look at the full transcript. >> he said if you can't afford it, you get automatically enrolled in the medicare option. >> what did he say if you lose your job? >> if you lose your job, you can automatically buy in to it. but the poor people that you were addressing are covered by what he said in that same paragraph. >> not at all. this is important. this is about the most important policy in this country. >> excuse me, mr. secretary, these tapes are going to be played over and over again. so whatever we say here -- >> we're here to debate health care policy. this covers -- this affects everybody. so, look. >> you believe he is deficient? >> well, i believe his health care plan is deficient. i respect vice president biden. have i tremendous respect for him. shrink a great candidate. but let me tell you, when i get on that debate stage, whether it's in a primary or i get on the debate stage in october 2020 against donald trump, you better believe that i'm going to be there to prove my point. >> right.
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>> do you want somebody on that stage that is going to fight and prove their point and be able to beat donald trump? because if you do, i'm your democrat. >> anita dunn a former adviser to the president said it with australia cheap shot. what do you say? >> i know anita. i have a lot of respect for her. she is also on his campaign. >> of course. i don't deny that it's personal. but it's what she said. your reaction is? not a cheap shot? >> his health care plan would leave 10 million people uncovered. my approach would cover everybody. >> mr. secretary, big night here. thanks for coming on. >> so nicolle wallace, because you have done prep for events like that, i'm guessing you go into an event with that line ready like an arrow, ready to use it. >> he is going to be judged by the democratic primary voters for that strategic decision. he is also going to be judged -- >> that didn't go well. >> well two, things.
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you're judged based on what happens to you, the decisions you make in the moment. when he was on the stage, the decision he made in the moment was an unsettled illusion to alzheimer's or ageism. >> yeah. >> now, if he thinks that winning, good luck. and if he thinks the notion, again, people have talked about joe biden's weakness as a candidate. if you actually think he is weak, then he'll fall on his own sort of time. i don't think anyone in the democratic party, if there is a constituency in the democratic base for julian castro to destroy joe biden by suggesting he has age-related memory loss, i haven't heard them yet. they haven't shown up in a poll. i haven't seen them on my show or yours. and that interview, having done press, i sat here sweating. the appropriate thing to do in an interview when chris matthews is reading you the heinous transcript where you suggested joe biden, the democratic front-runner, who may or may not be the nominee might have a memory problem is to say i'm so sorry that's the impression you.
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say let me have the cards. i know what i said. i'm going to own it and clean it up where it needs to be clean it up. but in no uncertain terms, i am not suggesting he has age-related memory loss. that was a disaster, and a disgrace. >> that's why i asked. >> he blew cleanup on aisle five. he had an opportunity -- >> he didn't even bring a broom. >> in fact, he was over in the next aisle creating another damn mess. what he should have said i'm terribly sorry i gave that impression. i understand why people thought that. it was in the moment. i didn't mean to give that impression. i believe my health care plan is superior, but i want to acknowledge i made a mistake. >> yeah. >> i don't want to trigger any political ptsd on you, but the most damaging thing for hillary clinton when she faced donald trump in the election was that by the time the general election came around, bernie sanders had been in the race so long, he'd
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made many of the same attacks against hillary clinton that donald trump came around and made. if you see the trump campaign circulating this video and making the same attack on joe biden from the far right, that julian castro made from the far left, and it hurts joe biden, it will be on that man right there. >> well -- >> it's a political gravity thing. >> we should tell our audience who may be waiting to hear from joe biden, he did not come to the spin room. >> he didn't come to the spin room, but mike memoli, our best reporter of the biden campaign, someone who knows him inside and out is with us. >> you'll have to settle for me. >> well, joe. >> mike. >> i was kidding about him being joe. >> i'll channel the vice president as much as i can. listen, i think it's interesting, if you look at what we're starting to see in the first two debates, you certainly saw some of joe biden's rivals trying to go after his past, some of the positions he took as a senator in the '80s and the
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'90s. and very quietly in some cases less quietly and less delicately, you're starting to see his rivals attack his president, raise these questions. you saw it from tim ryan last week in an interview saying the vice president is in decline you. obviously saw julian castro make his point tonight. obviously it was a prepared line, something he was looking for an opportunity to use, and ultimately did. and then cory booker, it should be noted elsewhere tonight in his own post debate comment, raising himself this idea that there are a lot of conversations among democrats about whether or not joe biden can bring the ball over the finish line, to use a football analogy as he did. so that's sort of an interesting moment in this democratic debate. but what we heard from the biden campaign advisers, you heard chris reference anita dunn. i was in the scrum there talking to anita and symone sanders tonight. they're saying listen, these attacks on joe biden, this was a cheap shot in their view, and the lesson that's been learned from eric swalwell and from some of the other candidates who have
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tried to take him on along these lines in the past is that these attacks just don't work. i think we've all looked at these poll numbers, and they've shown to be surprisingly resilient for the former vice president. there is a deep reservoir of goodwill for him. that's shown to be the case over time. we'll have to keep revisiting this conversation over the weeks and months, because if you look at the vice president's performance tonight, he is not the most polished speaker anymore. i think no one would deny he has moments where he's trying to grasp these details and facts from his own policy sometimes. but for a lot of democratic voters, this still comes down to who can beat donald trump. i think there is a lot in the contrast of joe biden and donald trump that voters like. and what biden advisers also say, we have this conversation about electability all the time. they say it's not just electability that here are the polls that show him beating donald trump. americans view in many ways this is a moment of national crisis. and when you ask the question, what democrat, which do you choose to handle an national
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emergency, the polls show overwhelmingly joe biden. that's really what is keeping him still at the top of the pack. >> one of the interesting things i saw this week was an article of how all of the coverage of joe biden, almost 90% of it is negative, and he is still posting some of his strongest numbers since he has been in the race, or even talked about being in the race. >> yeah. and you also saw a story talking about the wokeness of his cress core, there are a lot of young folks on the trail with him. i don't know where i fall on tra spectrum. i'm perhaps somewhere in the middle. >> you're young. >> i've been covering him for at least a decade. i've been covering him at least. but it's been interesting to me to hear biden campaign advisers either anonymously or otherwise engaging in these process stories as they have been, talking about really their view that a lot of young reporters who haven't covered him before and really haven't covered campaign politics before are simply seizing on the gaffes for lack of another substantive discussion.
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but it is the fact of the matter is a question in that hillary advisers, hillary clinton advisors were saying especially after the 2016 election, which is in their view, we treated hillary clinton as the president and donald trump as sort of a novelty. joe biden is getting that same treatment now. we're treating him as if he is the president, or at least the likely president, and that may be an unfair standard to them. but it's certainly something that when they make the electability argument, and that he is ready to be president on day one comes with the territory. >> mike memoli, our man covering the ongoing biden campaign effort. mike, thank you very much. we realize you don't speak for the guy, but tonight you could talk about the guy for us. >> and i'm guessing the guy wouldn't have asked if he was one of the woke reporters. >> exactly. >> you know what's so interesting about that, this idea, and we shouldn't lose sight of this. when you talk to people who are so mad at the media still from '16, they're mad about the double standard. donald trump, the bar for donald
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trump is underground, and when he reaches his underground bar for not like taking off his pants and running around the west wing, yay, he was presidential. >> joe biden tonight used a dated reference to a record player. yesterday donald trump went to the pentagon and talked about the taliban on 9/11. >> precisely. >> and he got to the pentagon after tweeting about the polls we talked about that showed him losing to half the people on the stage tonight. >> and can i make this point about the record player? >> you can. i'm being told we have to go to a break. >> i was going to say the young press corps that is woke, they know that it's a hipster thing to have a record player right now. >> absolutely. >> it is. >> you're absolutely right. >> claire is correct on that. >> by the way, they might want to listen to any joe biden speech ever. you would hear that that's the way joe biden talks. >> joe biden on vinyl. >> 1988, the first time he ran for president. >> trump obviously hasn't a clue.
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each time people would say it's not your time, it's not your turn, it's going to be too difficult, they're not ready for you. and i didn't listen. and a part of it probably comes from the fact that i was raised by a mother who said many things that were life lessons for me, including don't you ever let
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anybody tell you who you are. you tell them who you are. i see these little girls and boys, sometimes even brought by their fathers, and they bring them to me, and i talk to them during these events. and they smile and they're full of joy. and their fathers tell them see, don't you ever listen and let anybody ever tell you what you can or cannot be. you have to believe on what can be, unburdened by what has been. >> it was an interesting final round about setbacks and comebacks and professional setbacks versus what counts which is what happens in life. >> to me was the round that cut right through all the fat and all the attacks. this cut right to the bone of who all these candidates are. >> they're real people. >> give credit to abc for asking the question, but you have to give credit to all the candidates for opening up. >> biden got emotional. elizabeth warren got emotional. amy klobuchar got emotional
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about getting kicked out of the hospital after giving birth. >> i think it humanized basically all of them. it also showed the diversity of this -- of this primary, right. you had two women -- three women on the stage. you had two african americans. you had a latino, an asian man. it was great to hear their different perspectives. and that's what hit me when i was kind of listening to that, the diversity of this -- of this field is just amazing. and you've you got to hear that from that question. >> i was thinking too, these were things that -- i never heard before most of what they're talking about. and then you think of this grievance obsessed president who never wins will run against. >> it's interesting. because so many of their stories, they were asked to talk about overcoming adversity, but the sort of up from nothing stories of you know elizabeth warren has a compelling story of
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dropping out of school and getting married early and everything. and andrew yang talking about his immigrant father. i thought it was an interesting question and it really allowed the candidates to showcase their best sides. >> tell me the truth. as a candidate, do you love those questions or do you hate them? >> it depends on if you are kind of ready. it can be awkward when they ask a personal question. you know what i was thinking the whole time? can you imagine what donald trump's answer would be? >> me too. >> well, my dad gave me the equivalent of $400 million, and i blew it, and then i had to figure out how not to pay people. so then i had to declare bankruptcy three or four times and screw all the contractors and not pay them. >> stormy daniels sued me. >> right, right. >> right. >> but the whole time i was dumping one wife for another younger more beautiful model. and aren't i wonderful.
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he wouldn't understand the question. >> exactly. exactly. >> he just wouldn't understand it. >> he wouldn't relate to it. >> sorry. >> let's go to someone -- it's the evening. our next guest is someone i had cause to think about during the conversation tonight, because in part of the conversation tonight from houston, our friend maria teresa kumar, president and ceo of voto latino. and maria teresa, here we are, because of geography, where it was tonight, and granted, because of my friend jorge ramos and his presence on the panel of questioners, we actually heard latin american nations named by name, individual nations for the fist time any of us could remember and real substantive talk about issues that are in your power corridor that you and i have talked about, that nicolle and you have talked about on this network over and over again.
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>> that's absolutely right. when jorge ramos, before he went into the stage, he basically said that tonight you're going to hear us speak spanish. and he said that in spanish and said it in english before we even went live, and it set the tone for the debate. let's not forget we're in the backyard of the latino community, but we're at the epicenter of where the democrats can potentially take the white house. we're talking about 38 electoral votes. what i saw tonight is that they're all speaking in general about america. but when they came to talk about immigration, when they start talking about latin american policy and talking about children at the borders, they were talking specifically about the needs of the texan community. and what was interesting was the fact that biden reminded people that some of this legislation was not new. some of this policy was not new. that it had been done. they had addressed a lot of these issues during the obama administration, but this president basically shut them out. completely zeroed out the policy. it was interesting also to watch julian castro talk not only
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about his own history of being children of immigrants, but more importantly saying look, there are plans that we can do. we have to think bigger to stem the flow of unjust immigration. let's start in central america. but also let's recognize what's happening in venezuela. so it was the very fist time we had it. as you were saying, brian, the moderators made a difference. but also the people that were on that stage talking about real american values through the lens of the immigrant experience, but also giving voice to a lot of the frustrations that people are feeling under this administration. racism is very real. it is what the president is constantly peddling. and in the hall, you could feel the energy in the hall when people talked about racism, when they talked about gun reform. we're in texas, a traditionally red state. here people were -- the energy was palpable. people want change, and they were receptive to what would be considered oftentimes very progressive policy. >> you mentioned julian castro. you mentioned joe biden. did anything about betos a performance either meet or exceed expectations for him as someone who sort of is thought to have found his voice in el
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paso and odessa after those mass shootings? >> i have to say that practically every single candidate when they wanted to talk about el paso or they want to talk about gun reform, they tipped their hat to the leadership of beto. and beto owned it, and he did it gracefully. he talked what most candidates have been afraid up to this point to really talk about. he named racism as one of the things that is tearing this country apart and named that it falls at the foot of the white house. and that is refreshing, because if you can't say it out loud, you can't address it. >> maria teresa kumar, greetings from everybody here. you know everybody here. >> you guys are having so much fun. texas is having a great time. thanks for having me on. >> you'll be here next time. thanks for joining us. >> it's your punishment. >> from houston. and now i understand steve kornacki has some numbers on enthusiasm, which is interesting because at 12:54 a.m. on a thursday night, enthusiasm can be hard to come by. steve? >> i've got six more minutes of
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enthusiasm. don't worry. striking new numbers this week by the way. this is the cnn poll this week, asking voters the question how enthusiastic are you about voting in 2020. so extremely enthusiastic, or very enthusiastic. and here's what you see. 39, 26. this adds up to 65%. 2/3 of all voters right now say they are extremely or very enthusiastic about voting in an election that's more than a year away. compare that to where we were the last presidential cycle that total number was 54. there has definitely been a big jump, a double-digit jump. if you're curious about the party breakdown among democrats, it's at 70% right now that are extremely or very enthusiastic. that's almost 20 points higher than it was for years ago. among republicans, though, look at that. it's 76%, up from 59%. this gets to the challenge for democrats. when it comes to enthusiasm, where do democrats need to grow their base to get even with the republicans on this question?
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we can show you, african americans that enthusiasm number is 56. hispanics, it's 53. and young people, it's 52%. if those numbers -- those are core democratic constituencies. if those numbers rise, then we show that gap between democrats and republicans. i was trying to show it to you, that would eliminate the gap. i think that's the big challenge when it comes to enthusiasm for as you start to look to 2020. >> as we go off the air, nicolle wallace, with thanks to steve kornacki, it's democrats who now control the spigot on that enthusiasm, though. >> and i think what they've done, i think you would agree, claire, they've matched it up. that will be a fair fight. when you look at all the things that will be even, the republicans and trump, they have their outlets. the democrats i think feel like they know where to go to get their messages out. i think there will be even ground game. probably even money. now that that enthusiasm is equal, it is another thing that will make it a nail-biter. >> we're heading off the air for this shift, which means thanking everyone on this shift,
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including chris matthews down in houston, texas. mike memoli, who was with us, let's not forget robert costa in washington. nicolle wallace and eugene robinson, joy reid, karine jean-pierre, steve kornacki, that's it for us. good night.
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you said they would have to buy in. >> they would have to buy in. qualify for medicaid -- >> are you forgetting what you said -- >> while bernie wrote the bill, i read the bill. >> i never actually met anybody who likes their health insurance company. >> i know a lot of doctors. >> hell yes, we will take your ar-15, your ak-47. >> hey, joe, instead of saying we can't, let's say yes we can. >> i remember president trump scoffed and said we like to see me making a deal with xi jingping. i with like to see him make a deal with xi jingping. >> we must and will defeat trump, the most dangerous
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