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out. >> do you ever think to yourself i have a weird name? i say katy sometimes, what a weird name. weird combination of letters and sounds. >> by the time katie gets to friday afternoon, all kinds of analysis. great to see you. have yourself a great weekend. see you monday. i'm going to be away next week. >> i will miss you. >> let's text riddles to each other. katy tur. it is friday, october 11th. today, the state department attacked and hollowed out from within. part of the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch's opening statement. as she's deposed in front of members of three house committees, leading the impeachment inquiry. she was ousted by the state department. in that same opening statement, she laid out exactly how she
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thinks the president personally bothered department officials to remove her without any evidence of any wrongdoing. as her statement reads, finally after being asked by the department in early march to extend my tour until 2020, i was then abruptly told in late april to come back to washington from ukraine, on the next plane. you will understandably want to ask why my posting ended so suddenly. i wanted to learn that to and tried to find out. i met with the deputy secretary of state who informed me of curtailment of my term. he said the president had lost confidence in me, no longer wished me to serve as his ambassador. he added there had been a concerted campaign against me and the department had been under pressure from the president to remove me since the summer of 2018. he also said that i had done nothing wrong, and that this was not like other situations where
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he recalled ambassadors for cause. joining me with the latest from the ongoing deposition from capitol hill, geoff bennett. important to note for viewers that ambassadors do serve at the pleasure of the president and can be removed without cause. but that's not how president trump characterized this ambassador. he said she was a bad person. he said she was up to no good. >> reporter: you're right about that. and it was completely baseless, according to her story, according to evidence that she provides. first of all, start with a bit of news. learning more about what precipitated her appearance. the three chairmen learned that the state department working at the direction of the white house wouldn't permit ambassador yovanovitch to appear voluntarily. they served her a subpoena. her testimony is entering a fifth hour. two or three floors beneath me in a secure area of the house intelligence briefing room.
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and yes, according to her opening statement which my colleague and i obtained, she does paint a picture her abrupt ouster was a direct result of pressure that president trump put on people at the state department. yovanovitch med met with the state department, said you did nothing wrong but lost the confidence. i pick up another line. i met with the deputy secretary of state who informed me of the curtailment of my term, he said the president had lost confidence in me, no longer wished me to serve as his ambassador. i was incredulous that the u.s. government chose to remove an ambassador based as best as i can tell on unfounded, false claims by people with clearly questionable motives. she makes clear that she had nothing to do with the decision to withhold ukrainian aid, she was not involved directly in conversations about this july 25th call between president
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trump and ukraine president zelensky, but the rest of her opening statement is top to bottom take down of u.s. foreign policy at the state department, run by secretary of state mike pompeo. and she paints a picture of the state department running with a mission of political self interest, working in political self interest of donald trump and his allies, and not national self interest. she talks about how the state department has been hollowed out for people resigning, people leaving, and that's an attack she says that is inherently dangerous. >> she made a point to warn about the threat of private influence and personal gain usurping judgment of diplomats. i think that's the important part. a president has the right to call the ambassador back, say you're not my cup of tea, not what i like. but the idea that the president undermined her reputation without any basis and now it seems there was a connection to the president's professional gain, possibly personal, is what makes it so interesting.
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geoff bennett, thanks for covering this on capitol hill. she also revealed minimal contact with trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani. denied allegations spread by giuliani allies that she was disloyal to the president. told congress, quote, i don't know mr. giuliani's motives for attacking me, but individuals who have been named in the press as contacts of mr. giuliani may well have believed that their personal, financial ambitions were stymied by our anti-corruption policy in ukraine. today is the deadline by the way for giuliani to turn over subpoenaed documents to congress related to the impeachment inquiry. lawmakers are focused on his role into the president's efforts to pressure ukraine to investigate donald trump's political rival, joe biden, and son hunter. just this week, two former associates, giuliani's former associates, arrested on criminal charges for campaign finance violations. joining me with that part of the story, nbc correspondent ken delaney.
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it is hard to keep track of from home. >> it is. you asked an important question yesterday. why should people care about these characters, what does this mean to president trump. let me lay it out up top. this is essentially the government saying these people were corrupt. that means there was corruption at the heart of rudy giuliani's inquiry in ukraine to try to get the ukrainians to investigate joe biden, to dig up dirt on donald trump's political opponent. trump is pressing ukraine to do this, and so is rudy giuliani, and he's in business with these now accused criminals. by the way, even before they were indicted yesterday on campaign finance charges, they're charged with illegally funneling foreign money into political campaigns, use of straw donations, even before that, they had a trail of debts and lawsuits. one case there's a half million dollar judgment against parnas after the judge found he took the life savings in a failed scheme to make a movie. these are characters with checkered pasts.
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parnas has a company called fraud guarantee, that was paying rudy giuliani, and giuliani has acknowledged he was paid to advise that company and give them business advice. >> that is bad branding. doesn't matter what your business is. can't call it fraud guarantee, rotten eggs. people will jump to conclusions. checkered past. >> the serious inquiry congress is engaged in, we know these guys were trying to do business in ukraine as they tried to dig up dirt on joe biden. were crimes committed in the course of that, was rudy giuliani involved in their deal to get a natural gas deal going with ukraine, to change the board of ukraine's gas company, was there a mixing of personal profit motive with what democrats already say was inappropriate effort to dig up dirt on the bidens. >> my friend, thank you for making it clear to us. ken delaney who continues to follow this very interesting new
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development in the story. i mentioned today was the deadline for rudy giuliani to hand over documents. it is actually tuesday. tuesday is the deadline for giuliani to hand over documents. now, yovanovitch said that no one attempted to prevent her being deposed by lawmakers in today's closed door session. two key players are scheduled to appear next week. president trump's former top aide on russia and europe, fiona hill, will appear before congress. that's stoking fear among people close to the president. nbc news confirms hill plans to say that giuliani, there he is again, and gordon sondland s circumvented the process for a shadow policy on ukraine, according to a person familiar with her expected testimony. gordon sondland himself who is eu ambassador, works in
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brussels, gotten on a plane, flown here to washington to talk to congress, then was stopped by the administration quite suddenly. he is going to get to respond to hill's allegations, he is also expected on the hill next week if the white house doesn't intervene in this. he will be interviewed behind closed doors after the initial appearance was blocked by the administration. want to bring in former congressman elizabeth holtzman that voted to impeach nixon when she served on the house judiciary committee. author of "the case for impeaching trump." and bradley moss, he worked at the firm representing the whistle-blowers that set off the impeachment inquiry. he is not representing those whistle-blowers. liz, you and i talked a long time about this. you covered this for us. every day more stuff about what you told me about how it went in watergate starts to become more familiar, the idea of two guys with a checkered past involved
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funneling money not really from them to another place, starting to look murky and checkered in entirety. >> but let's step back a second. who's calling the shots here? this is the president of the united states using two guys, checkered past, now indicted for felonies. these two people were hired with the approval of the president of the united states by rudy giuliani to carry out his personal business in ukraine, which meant corruption, which meant digging up dirt on biden, manufacturing dirt on biden, and who knows what else. to stop and think a president of the united states would have to stoop to using people who are now accused criminals, it is horrifying, disgusting. that's what's happening now. >> and it happened before.
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>> in watergate, the president used that, and the president got in big trouble. we've also seen the coverup. now we see the coverup. the president says i'm not going to cooperate. and his lawyer says oh, we're not participating. that's what happened in watergate. but people understood if you have something to hide, you're going to cover up. there should be nothing to hide here. it has to do w the marie yovanovitch stuff, that he was trying to diminish her, suggest something was wrong with her. one thing every says about marie yovanovitch, career diplomat, she's beyond reproach. >> why was she bad news? trump said she was bad news. why was she bad news? she was there fighting corruption in ukraine. she was fighting corruption. she was in the way of these guys. these guys are now accused of
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crimes and giuliani who was there, won't say conspirator but cohort. this is what's really troubling. the president obviously can remove ambassadors but he can't abuse his power to remove an ambassador who is standing in the way of corruption, crookedness and other kinds of evil conduct. can't. >> bradley moss, you and i have been speaking since the day we heard about a whistle-blower, and the conversation evolved from that point so much. two weeks ago this was a remarkably interesting but unclear story. now like watergate, what we're finding is people that have come forth because they witnessed something they think was untoward and possibly a danger to the nation are central to the whole unraveling plot. the problem is the president continues day after day after day to target the whistle-blower plural, whistle-blowers, and anyone that gave them information.
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>> and it is like the revision of watergate again, and like the congresswoman was saying, they're taking the entire roger stone, richard nixon play book from watergate and rerunning it again. i don't know what they think will happen the second time. they have the dirty money, shady guys doing dirty deeds behind the scenes, now trying to cover it up. we had taped recordings then, now dealing with text messages. the whistle-blower, this is sad. the whistle-blower has been validated, vindicated over and over in what they outlined, and it has been proven over and over what comes out of donald trump's mouth. >> by the president. the president came out and admitted most of what the whistle-blower had alleged in the complaint. >> all he does is come out on the white house lawn and repeats everything that vindicates everything the whistle-blower had been worried about, everything all of the other leaks have come out, indicating how they were circumventing standard process, going outside protocol. what got the former ambassador
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in trouble, why she was recalled, they were running a shadow diplomacy, trying to abuse authority of the white house and executive branch for personal or political gains and the context of rudy giuliani for the personal gains of his clients, some who were foreign nationals. >> what are the concerns around the whistle-blowers' security? >> there's limits what i am able to say, what i have been walled off from and what i would be able to say. standard due diligence has been made to protect all of us, the whistle-blower and ourselves, the lawyers involved, our families. this is a trying time. the president is constantly using hyper poll i can rhetoric, we have to take care of ourselves and families amid this. >> what happens where the president is going after these whistle-blowers, he is sending signals to his supporters that these people are spies, traitors.
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>> that could be considered easily an abuse of power. we're not allowed to unfetter law, attack or retaliate on whistle-blowers, but that's what he is doing. >> who could possibly enforce that, bill barr? >> called the people of the united states. that's what they did in watergate. they said enough is enough. president nixon, you have to go. >> you're starting to see that. at some point, polls will move, republicans in congress will say americans are turning on the president. >> when the evidence is solid, clear, irrefutable, unavoidable, that the president of the united states himself has been guilty of serious abuses of power against the interests of the american people for his personal gain, the american people will say enough is enough and congress will act. he better beware. >> thank you for joining me. liz, former attorney and congresswoman who voted to impeach president nixon. bradley moss, national security attorney whose firm represents the whistle-blowers that set off the impeachment inquiry.
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coming up next, live in northern syria. a humanitarian crisis is unfolding. another one on top of one that already existed. the turkish invasion forces thousands of civilians to abandon homes, taking with them only what they can carry as the trump administration clears the way for sanctions against turkey. and 17 former watergate prosecutors that looked into nixon's impeachable conduct determined that president trump's actions meet the same standard. one of those prosecutors joins me later in the hour. you're watching msnbc. in the hr you're watching msnbc. ♪ applebee's new pasta and grill combos. choose from up to 12 combinations starting at $9.99.
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new deployment of u.s. troops to the middle east, despite the president's pledge to reduce the number of american troops in the region. let's listen. >> in response to continued threats in the region i ordered deployment to kingdom of saudi arabia of two additional fighter squadrons and supporting personnel, along with additional patriot and air and missile defense batteries, taken together with other deployments, i extended or authorized in the last month, this involves about 3,000 united states forces. >> secretary esper says the kingdom asked for additional support after the september attacks on saudi oil facilities, knocked out 5% of global oil supply, sent oil prices soaring. both the united states and saudi arabia have blamed those attacks on iran. the treasury secretary just
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announced what the white house is calling serious sanctions against people associated with the government of turkey. >> the treasury department in consultation with himself and secretary pompeo, very significant new sanctions authorities that can be targeted at any person associated with the government of turkey, any portion of the government. this will be both primary sanctions and secondary sanctions that will be applicable. >> now, the treasury secretary stressed while sanctions haven't yet been activated, the united states is putting financial institutions on notice about them, sometimes it takes some preparation to get them to happen. the military operation in northern syria is in a third day, already creating full fledged humanitarian catastrophe. more than 10,000 civilians, most syrian kurds, have left their
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homes. casualties are mounting. we don't have exact numbers. chief correspondent richard engle is in northern syria. they're announcing they were starting air strikes into ground troops moving into northern syria, and people, civilians, having to move out. >> reporter: globally take things in order. you talked about saudi arabia. the united states announcing it is sending about 2,000 more troops to saudi arabia, effectively to protect the kingdom and oil supplies, while here in this country, there are a thousand troops. president trump is talking about pulling them out. they are not allowed to do anything while there is a humanitarian catastrophe going on now, a potential war that people say will lead to if not
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genocide, that's what the turks are calling what they fear will come. certainly a campaign of ethnic cleansing. from my vantage point where i'm standing, this move strikes people that the united states has its priorities a little out of what cack, sending them to s arabia because of oil supplies and having u.s. troops locked down while the kurds fear they'll be wiped out. on the ground there's a massive campaign that the kurds say is a campaign already of ethnic cleansing, not 10,000 but 100,000 people left their homes, most of the civilians that left are leaving from right along bo back deeper into kurdish held areas. the kurds are under attack. they don't have the kind of weapons that the turks have, and what they fear most is that turkey isn't just using conventional army, it is using
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arab militia. i think we'll hear more about them going forward. ali, you studied the region, we talked a lot about it. turkey is a massive nato country, second largest standing army after the united states. why does it need to use arab ground militia when it has so many soldiers, and people here will tell you it is obvious, because they plan to settle here. this is not a campaign against the kurds, it is a campaign to displace the kurds, and the turks will tell you that. they say it is a campaign to put syrian refugees back home. these are arab refugees, not kurds, they're coming back to areas largely where they weren't from. so this is an enormous shift in dynamics in the middle east. first president trump clearly gave the green light, he says no, but there was this conversation right after the conversation the turks went on this offensive. there was a statement from the
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white house in which the americans clearly said the turks are about to launch this operation and the united states will not stop it. now that it has been pushed back, the u.s. is threatening sanctions, but erdogan, president of turkey, has said that he is going to continue the offensive no matter what. >> the turks would not have launched the offensive if the united states had still been there, the turks had signaled for a long time, erdogan was at the united nations with a map showing the map they're using now, that that is territory that they wanted to reclaim. the president pulls out our troops, turkey does what's expected. this morning, a tweet goes out from the president saying we have one of three choices, send in thousands of troops and win militarily, hit turkey hard financially, and with sanctions, or mediate a deal between dutury and the kurds. if you were from mars and landed here, you would think president trump is trying to solve the problem between the turks and
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kurds that's just broken out when in fact the problem only exists because of action that president trump took. >> reporter: you would have to be from mars to believe that the president wants to come in and mediate this crisis, that he is absolving himself of all responsibility. the sequence of events are very clear. turkey wanted to do this operation for a very long time, hasn't done it because u.s. troops have been here, that would be a massive clash. you would have turkish army confronting the american army, and it would be a war turkey doesn't want to enter into. what did trump do? he has a conversation with erdogan, then there's a statement from the white house saying turkey is going to launch its offensive, and that the u.s. won't stop it, then turkey does launch its offensive. everyone keeps talking about how the u.s. pulled troops out of syria. they didn't pull troops out of syria, they pulled them back from the border, pulled them away from frontlines, allowing
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the turks to move. >> important nbc news, chief foreign correspondent in northern syria. up next, he called president trump a traitor, clear and present danger, unfit for office. now calling on republicans to support impeaching him. 2020 candidate joe walsh joins me next. you're watching msnbc. msnbc.
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one of the few republicans publicly calling for president trump's impeachment is the former gop congressman and current republican presidential candidate joe walsh. walsh penned an open letter to republicans asking them to support the impeachment inquiry against the president, imploring them to put country over party. in the letter he wrote it can be difficult at times, almost impossible to contemplate what's best for the country instead of what's best for your side of the aisle. but i'm asking you to do this at this time because we have clear evidence of the very abuse of power our founders feared. joining me, candidate joe walsh. you must have had friends in congress. nobody seems to be picking up on this. bill weld who you have run against said something similar,
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larry hogan who is in the race for president, said something similar. why are no republican members of congress actually doing this? >> because they're afraid. they're afraid of trump's voters. ali, look, we live in scary times now. i think, and i told you this before, what i say about this president publicly the vast majority of my republican colleagues up on capitol hill believe it privately. this is the most disloyal president we've ever had. my republican colleagues know that. they're just scared to death to say anything publicly. but ali, the ukraine thing, what we have learned in the last two weeks alone that the president of the united states told two different foreign governments to in effect sabotage our elections, sabotage our elections. if that's not impeachable, then nothing is. i think as this thing goes on,
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ali, as the impeachment inquiry goes on, i think you will see republicans, especially in the senate, begin to stand against this president. >> i wonder. republicans used to always stand on the idea they were law and order folks, this guy has done nothing but financial bailolout. at one point it reflects republican branding for years and decades to come. >> even if they do it in their own self interest. trump is the most disloyal president we ever had. he is a traitor in the broad sense to the country. if that doesn't compel my republican colleagues, and i implored them in that letter, please do what's right, put country before party, you will take a political hit, but you're doing the right thing, if that message doesn't move my colleagues, this message should. >> doing some polling, fox had it the other day, showing 51% of americans, not republicans,
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think donald trump should be impeached and removed from office. comes a point like with winter games whe-- watergate. the point is to be ahead of that trend. >> maybe just appealing to their self interest. if donald trump is at the top of the ticket in 2020, it will be a bloodbath. republicans will be destroyed, up and down the ballot. you reference polls. fox news, 51% believe he ought to be impeached and removed. 55% disapproved of the job he is doing. it is going to get worse. he will destroy the party if he is at the top of the ticket. senate republicans don't like him, ali. if they believe he is going to hurt them politically, they will jetison him. >> you talked about bill barr, seems to be on a let's help trump tour, doing exactly what people are angry at president trump for doing, trying to get
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other governments involved in the pursuit of the president's political ambitions. what's the thing that's going to turn republicans as it has started to do into saying this is too much. this is wrongdoing. >> we should have crossed that line a long time ago. they're not going to do what's right, ali, my former colleagues. what's going to remove them? republican voters. and republican voters by the day, week, month, i believe are moving off this president. again, look at the latest polling. least popular president in modern times and getting less popular by the day. once republican voters continue to move from him, that will embolden my former republican colleagues. >> good to talk to you. thanks for joining me. 2020 candidate, former republican congressman, joe walsh. in a legal blow to the president, federal appeals court rules trump's accounting firm
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must turn records over to the house oversight committee. from the findings in the mueller report to refusal to cooperate with the impeachment inquiry, why nearly 20 former watergate prosecutors say president trump should be impeached under the same three articles of impeachment filed against president nixon. you're watching msnbc. ainst pre. you're watching msnbc. it's tough to quit smoking cold turkey.
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accounting firm must turn over ten years of financial records that had been requested by a house committee. in a 2-1 ruling, d.c. court of appeals voted in favor of the house committee on oversight and reform which subpoenaed documents back in april. the case was escalated after president trump's lawyers appealed the first win in trial court. committee chairman cummings called the report fundamental, the system of checks and balances and rule of law. justice correspondent pete williams joins me now to put the whole thing in perspective. pete, how big a deal is this. >> we'll see. we'll see how this shakes out. this is clearly not the last chapter in the book. here was the fight, ali, michael cohen testified before congress that president trump sometimes inflated the size of his assets, sometimes reduced them, depending on his needs.
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trying to get insurance or getting taxes reduced. they say his congressional ethics forums, wanted to know if he was accurately filling them out because of that, and secondly, cohen said the president wrote a check to reimburse him for hush money payments, and that that was not reflected on the financial disclosure form. in other words, congress said we need these accounting forms to see whether president trump is accurately filling out his ethics forms. his lawyers said that's not a legislative purpose, and that's your only authority for issuing subpoenas is a legislative purpose. but today the appeals court in a 2-1 decision said congress has authority to seek the documents. the dissenting judge was appointed by president trump and she said, you know, this is not legislation, this is a judicial proceeding, and the only way to have a judicial proceeding is to have an impeachment. she wasn't advocating one, but said that congress has two roles here, can't get them through the
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role it wants. the judge has put a seven day hold on the effect of his ruling. so he has ruled that the accounting firm has to turn over the documents in response to the congressional subpoena, put his own stop sign up for seven days to give president trump's lawyers a chance to appeal. they can go to the full appeals court or try to go to the supreme court to get a stay to stop records being turned over. we'll see how it plays out. i imagine his lawyers will act quickly. >> that's where the constitutional problem comes in. if the supreme court makes a decision, then the president doesn't get to tweet i'm not doing whatever. he runs out of options. >> yeah, except we have to think of how this would play out in terms of time. what his lawyers would do quickly ishe full appeals court supreme court would rule, not a decision on the merits.
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that's months away here. it may be a long time before the committee sees the documents. >> pete, thanks as always. pete williams in washington. 17 former watergate special prosecutors say they believe there's compelling evidence that president trump committed impeachable offenses. that's 17 from people who investigated president richard nixon in the early's '70s which led to three house articles of impeachment and his resignation. in a "the washington post" op-ed, they say the same articles of impeachment adopted for nixon, obstruction, abuse of power, contempt of congress could be specified against the current president because, quote, he has demonstrated serious, persistent abuses of power that in our view satisfy the constitutional standard of high crimes and misdemeanors. joining now, one of the prosecutors, nbc news contributor, jill winebanks. you have been making this sort of point for awhile that for
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those of you who worked in watergate like you, like nick ackerman, like liz holtzman, there's a remarkable familiarity with the types of things the administration was not only doing but saying to and about the press and congress as the process went through. >> yes. and i think the important thing is that there is enough evidence on the public record right this minute that you don't have to investigate any more. you can go on this. at a trial in the senate, the president would have due process rights to defend and make any arguments he wants to counter the evidence. right now on the public record there are numerous impeachable offenses and they could fall into the same three categories used in the nixon era because the first and most important to me for him, for president trump, is contempt of congress because this one goes beyond trying to
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stop criminal investigations, this is stopping all ordinary oversight. it is totally destructive, separation of powers and checks and balances which are so important to how we run our government. >> jill, the number of republicans who have been spoken to expressed some concern with what the president did, particularly as relates to ukraine. can't get a lot of republicans concerned about all of the other stuff that happened investigated by the mueller report, but this one seems to have touched a nerve. they still say, okay, let's investigate. and your point and the point of the other lawyers and prosecutors who signed this is that you need nothing more to investigate. in fact, the president has come out and said all of the things that are troubling people about his dealings with ukraine. >> i would say as a trial lawyer, i would be ready to make closing argument right now saying what the crimes are and what the danger to democracy is, which is what you need for impeachment. you don't need all of the
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elements of a crime, you need to know that our democracy is at risk and in this case, our national security and world security is at risk because of what he has done, both in terms of ukraine, in terms of his threat about china. he has done a lot of things that are very dangerous, and although we listed five pieces of evidence from the public record in our opinion piece in "the washington post," today you have additional testimony saying i was fired and taken out of ukraine at the direction of the president because i wouldn't do his bidding is basically how i inter prelt wh interpret what she's saying. she was trying to stop corruption, not the phony made up stuff rudy giuliani was trying to do. she was trying to stick with the state department's policy, not the shadow foreign policy of rudy giuliani, and i think that's -- i would certainly add that as number six in the list, and i am sure that every day
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goes by, we could add number seven, number eight, keep on going, but as a prosecutor, i say there's a time when you have to say enough is sufficient and i've got enough. i don't have to prove three more offenses. one is enough. and the obstruction set forth in mueller report would satisfy articles of impeachment brought against president nixon, this satisfies contempt of congress, and all these fall into abuse of his power. i think we have enough to go right now. i was very pleased and phil locka baro, he was one of the leads of the op-ed piece. >> thank you for joining me as always. jill wide-banks bringing her wealth of experience to our analysis on msnbc. we have breaking news out of the white house. i want to take you to the board
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first to show you where reaction is on the dow. we're hanging around. we were momentarily at session highs, come off a little as people are selling off in the last few minutes. breaking news is that president trump has just announced a preliminary deal with china in the ongoing trade war. new developments come as the united states was set to enact new tariffs on china next tuesday. i want to proceed with caution. the president had been touting some kind of announcement the last couple of days on twitter. i bring my friend hans nichols who you know as an expert on all things political and military, but he's a pretty good financial guy. i pointed at the dow first. i wanted to show viewers, the market didn't shoot up on news, it went off and sold off a little, there are caveats to the deal. >> reporter: yes, there are. the president says it is a substantial phase one deal. the president still talking now, we'll hear from him in a little bit. they want to get news out before
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the market closed, but the bigger thing is what this isn't. this is an indication that the president is not going to increase tariffs, remember, $250 billion of goods. he threatened to take the tariff from 25% to 30%. that would have been tuesday, october 15th. we need to figure out here the overall thresholds and schedules for different tariffs because there can be promises, there can be sort of assurances given, but until we see the actual numbers, i'm not certain we declare this political victory for the president, even though as you hinted he is clearly indicating he is ready to make a deal and he is ready to take credit for it. >> the language is interesting, fairly substantial phase one. so it is something, we don't know what the details are. cnbc is reporting it has not been fully written out, may take a few weeks to get to the details of it. it seems the president is setting the table for a couple of days about the fact something was going to happen. that's what we've got.
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market is up 1.6%. dow 424 points, trying to decide whether it loves the deal or likes what it is hearing. to hans' point, the reason you can't make a decision is we don't have full information as to what it actually hans nichols for us at the white house. thank you, my friend. coming up, a california wildfire is being fuelled by high winds and low humidity has now spread to almost 5,000 acres and forcing the evacuation of more than 100,000 people. we'll take you there live. you are watching msnbc. maria ramirez? hi. maria ramirez! mom! maria! maria ramirez... mcdonald's is committing 150 million dollars in tuition assistance, education, and career advising programs... prof: maria ramirez mom and dad: maria ramirez!!! to help more employees achieve their dreams.
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at this hour, wildfires along the northern edge of l.a. are burning out of control. more than 100,000 people have been told to leave their homes. los angeles county are where gusty conditions are fueling the fire. nbc correspondent sam brock joins me on the phone from puerto ranch, california. we are having trouble with your picture because of the elements. >> yes. -- talk about the wind conditions -- this is the problem because there was certainly initially some hope
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that the winds would die down. and i had just spoke with the los angeles fire department. they told me we are between 20 and 30 miles an hour right now with sustained gusts up to 60 miles an hour. -- winds were going to cooperate. but so far have not materialized. and i am standing in port o ranch of los angeles. there was fire that just ate off the hill side, barrelled down these canyons and came right up to the edges. -- what i'm looking at the -- >> unfortunately we've mostly lost sam because of the wind in the area. so we're going to try and reconnect with him and get his accommodation of his shot and his audio working. that is part of the problem because of the gusty winds where we are. we cannot get a stable shot with sam. but you can see the situation around him. we are going to be right back after this quick break. you are watching msnbc.
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recently. thank you for watching. ha great weekend. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace begins right now. ♪ hi, everyone d. where a few miles from here the diplomat who stands in the center three-fourths is closing in on donald trump today. an impeachment inquiry, a criminal investigation, into associates of his personal lawyer, and a whistle-blower complaint that put the entire dramatic series of disclosures about donald trump pressuring a foreign leader to dig up dirt on an opponent is offering an unsparing indictment of donald trump's foreign policy. that diplomat marie yovanovitch who the trump administration sought to block from appearing today claiming in her opening statement that her removal was corrupt. she writes this. quote, i was incredulous that the u.s. government chose to remove an ambassador based as best as i can tell on unfounded and false claims by

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