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hi s. everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. on the second full day of his presidency, joe biden is moving to address the economic pain experienced by millions of americans reeling from lost jobs and the slowdown of the economy caused by an uncontrol pandemic. in donald trump's final week in office, 900,000 more american filed for unemployment benefits. nearly 16 million americans remain unemployed, not counting those who have stopped looking for work altogether. it's a crisis one economist called, in comments to the "new york times," staggering, worse than i thought. 15 million of our neighbors and friends, including 17 million children right now, are hungry, experiencing food insecurity in our country. it's a number that has soared during the pandemic. on your screen is video of the
lines at food banks from coast to coast, as the virus was dismissed by the last administration. that is the crisis that have waiting at president joe biden's feet today, and as he suggested in just the last hour, it did not have to be this way, here is president biden at his event this afternoon, focused on his plan to extend a lifeline to those suffering without a moment to lose. >> we're in a national emergency. we need to act like we're in a national emergency. so we've got to move with everything we've got. we've got to do it together. i don't believe democrats or republicans are going hungry and losing jobs. i believe americans are going hungry and losing their jobs. we have the tools to fix it. we have the tools to get through this. we have the tools to get this virus under control and our economy back on track.
we have the tools to help people. so let's use the tools, all of them. use them now. for his part president biden moving today swiftly to increase food assistance by signing an executive order to immediately have access to food stamps. he also moved to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour for anyone working in the federal government. "new york times" -- it's attempt by mr. biden to override his predecessor, former president trump on issues pertaining to workers, the economy and the federal safety net. the orders mr. biden will sign on friday are a break from the trump administration's attempts to limit the scope of many federal benefits that trump officials said created a disincentive for americans to work. and on day two comes this -- the culture of --
>> did the lack of candor -- did the lack of facts in some cases over the last year cost lives? >> you know, it very likely did. i don't want that to be a sound bite, but i think if you just look at that, you can see when you're starting to go down paths that are not based on any science at all -- and we've been there before. i don't want to rehash it. that is not helpful at all, particularly when you're in the session ways of almost being in a crisis with the number of cases, hospitalization and deaths that we have. when you start talking about things that make no sense medically and no sense scientifically, that clearly is not helpful. >> so it's not undisputed that -- the consequences will continue to pile up long after he's all settled in wherever he went, mar-a-lago, florida. it's not only the only deadly
lie that washington is left grappling with today in trump's wake. the big lie about the election result was also paid for in american lives, in the capitol insurrection on january 6th. today congress is tasked with confronting the fallout there. chuck schumer announcing this morning that the senate will receive an article of impeachment against donald trump for inciting that insurrection on monday, and that a senate trial could best gin as early as next week, which means the republican party is running out of time to examine its collective conscience and determine how many of donald trump's deadly lies they're willing to fully embrace, as the american people continue to pay with their lives for trump's legacy. that is where we start today, with some of our favorite reporters and friends. the white house correspondent for "pbs newshours" is back, and joining us is reverend al sharpton host of "politics nation." and msnbc contributor charlie
sykes is also here. it's so interesting to see president biden call for and cite the republican support for his plan. one, he's temperamentally moderate and he plans to market his policies to the center, and constantly touting bipartisan support. >> itunder scores that union is the message that got president biden into the white house, and that he hopes he can hold on to as he trying to get his $1.9 trillion covid package passed. he's making the point that americans who are suffering, who are hungry, who have been evicted from homes, who have lost their jobs, and of course who have died from the covid-19 pandemic or whoever suffering from the pandemic, that that should be a bipartisan issue,
that americans, republicans and democrats, should come together and say our country needs help. but i will say him talking about this alsounder scores it is a big challenge he has to face. you didn't have to go more than one day to see republicans attacking joe biden, house minority leader kevin mccarthy says he has the wrong priorities at the wrong time. senate minority leader chuck schumer also going after biden and democrats. so what we have here is republicans already attacking joe biden, and joe biden realizing he wants a bipartisan deal, but the people i talked to who are close to joe biden also realize they have an uphill battle when it comes to dealing with republicans, even mitt romney. republicans are worried about doing too much, though biden officials say we should not be worried about doing too much, but too little. >> president biden, rev, also
speaking to our collective humanity, for lack of a better description. let's listen and we'll talk about it on the other side. >> so many of them never thought they would be out of work in the first place. just like my dad did, when he used to lie awake at night when i was a kid, just staring at the ceiling, unable to sleep, because he was worried about losing health care, or worried about paying the mortgage because of the economic circumstance he was in. now a lot of this is folks are facing eviction, are waiting hours in their cars, literally hours in their cars, waiting to be able to feed their children as they drive up to a food bank. this is the united states of america. they're waiting to feed their kids. this cannot be who we are as a country. these are not the values of our nation. we cannot, will not let people
go hungry. >> this is an unbelievable commentary where the republicans want to leave in place, a country who, through no fault of their own, pre-pandemic obviously this jobs, good jobs, if you look at the bankrupt shift in their circumstances, but now because of the pandemic and because of the last white house's failure to contain it or control it, need this kind of assistance. what do you think about the effort on the president's part to go straight to public sentiment and try to move public sentiment his direction? >> that's clearly the appropriate and i think proper way to deal with this. what impressed me about what president biden did today is to not frame this as biden against trump. we had that election, trump lost, let's get that out of the way. we're talking about citizens versus hunger. we're talking about citizens versus eviction. we've got to frame this as it is. you know, in my work for
national action network, we worked giving out a million bags of food last year. as i help do it twice a week, i'm looking at people who are really hungry. they don't care if a republican or democrat fed them, they need food. we're looking at they don't know if they will be able to stay in their homes from one month to the next. i think what president biden did today, was not only the responsibility of a commander in chief, but the moral and right thing to do. how can anybody in this country not want to help americans who are facing hunger? people don't sit in cars, as he said, for hours to get food because they're trying to beat the system. they need the food. somebody needs to break through the cynicism and make that case. i think he did that today. >> charlie, to pick up on yamiche's point about resistance, obviously the white
house expected resistance. no one is more familiar with or has a higher threshold for the sausage making, if you will, than this president with his decades in the senate and the role he played in the obama white house. let me show you jen psaki frames their expectations. >> this is exactly how it should work, george. maybe it feels unfamiliar to many people, maybe even including you. he laid out his agenda, his bold vision. there would be a discussion with members of congress of both parties about where we go from here. they'll like some pieces, won't like some pieces. we'll figure out what the sausage looks like when it comes out of the machine. also immigration, a crisis that's not been addressed in many years and is long overdue. >> charlie, when i watched that a couple times, it strikes me we're used to covering a president who is most, sort
of -- his deepest entanglement with congress is when he shut the government down. four years we've covered a president who has no idea how legislation is passed. his most intimate dealings with congress, i think the most drawn-out period was when he shut the government down. this is a change in strategy. >> it is a sea change. it's also disorienting to see a president engaged in policy at this level. i thought that president biden's key line was we're in a national emergency and we should act like we are in a national emergency. >> right. >> that's the key. you have all these born-again fiscal conservatives in the republican party. i have some sympathy for them, but republicans have been willing in the past to spend money if they think it's an emergency. they spent lots of money to end the cold war, fire the war on
terror, the war in afghanistan. they were willing to blow of the deficit in tax cuts. so if this is a national emergency, and of course it is, then the rules are changed. i think that he did a good job of pointing this out. the last 48 hours have had more than 8,000 americans dead. the death toll will right maybe as high as 600,000. we have millions of americans out of work. we have a weird k-shaped recovery where if you're in the stock market you're doing well, but a lot of americans are going hungry. you know, one of the a. you will hear from republicans, you don't want to spend this kind of money, because it's a disincentive to work. no, it's the pandemic that is the disincentive. we have asking people to engage in social distancing, so this is not -- you know, this is not a business-as-usual moment. i think he's making this case.
there is something highly ironic listening to republicans being concerned about the debt, when they just presided over the explosion of the national debt to the tune of $7 trillion under donald trump. but it was a powerful case that we need to act and we need to act quickly. charlie, just to follow up, i think they're missing an opportunity to be on board for something. i think there would be parts of the biden agenda that, i don't know, for whatever reason they can't be a part of, but this seems like the one to work with him on. there aren't democrats for a food lines or republicans in food lines, there's an intangible change to sudden economic desperation. that is the reality. i think republicans look incredibly out of touch to be throwing up obstacles. something that aaron blake wrote
as well. left unsaid and much of the republican criticism of biden's executive access is this. republicans said little when trump did much of the same thing in the face of a congress that often failed to pass his priorities. in addition, most of what biden did wednesday wasn't actually treading new ground, but rather undoing things trump had already done, via the kind of executive action his opponents decried. do you think there's any limit to the hypocrisy and redirection on the republican side right now? >> no. of course they were warned if you go along with donald trump's use of the executive orders, what standing do you have to object when a democratic president does the same thing? and of course here we are. also, it's going to be interesting in hearing the number of republicans that would have gone along with donald trump's support for a $2,000 per-person check that
will suddenly decide no, they can't support it when it's joe biden. you make an interesting point. there's a great risk for republicans to be on the wrong side of this. this is a national crisis. americans want to know what is going to happen with the vaccine. can we go back to our lives? can i keep my job? will we keep grandma alive? if the republicans go into the mode, there was a risk of a long-term damage to republicanism, is since they have been pretending to be the party of the also guy, when actually what you saw was a president today who actually did seem to feel the difficulties of average people out there, in a ways that donald trump never really did. >> yeah, i mean, look, that's such a good point. we could spend the next two hours talking about the debts of the republican hypocrisy, but i
want to turn to what looks like erase yurt of donald trump. that is the,s of the former president. he made "the washington post" is reporting that the former presidents will unite to urge americans to get the coronavirus in a new ad campaign this does seem like president biden using the former presidents in exactly the right way. they each had their own constituencies that probably need to hear this message about vaccine safety and enthusiasm. what are you hearing and what are you able to report about how involved he expects the former presidents to be in this effort? >> president biden is leaning in on as many americans as possible who are willing to lend their voice, rear sources and power to try to get the country to look at the covid-19 pandemic and the fight against it as a patriotic duty rather than a thing that's
between republicans and democrats. that's why i see the former presidents won there to talk about a peaceful transfer of power. it seems that president trump has cast himself off, has put himself on an island in florida all on his own. in some ways there's a collective sigh, a feeling of relief that that is the path he's taken, because most of his megaphones have been taken away from him. i don't expect to see the most recent former president come up very much, because even when it comes to impeachment, the biden administration doesn't want to talk about how they feel like he should be dealt with. so what we've been talking about is a joe biden talking about bipartisanship, and using the
past president it is in whatever way it makes sense, to get americans to rally around masks, around a vaccine. >> rev, there's such a clear picture coming through in the reporting about the myriad of crises. some of them were clear to us, the raging pandemic, the economic calamity, but some of them probably weren't clear to the incoming white house team. it seems to me that this white house is making a very clear determination to sort of run their own race. that's how joe biden became the nominee. he didn't get derailed by losing the primaries.
what do you make of that as a governing style? the commitment to disinformation wasn't just part of the trump package? it seems to be a real commitment on the right, and just this picture of a very fractured political moment and a president just determined to put one step in front of the other and govern the way he knows and believes he can. >> it gives the american people a sense of at least stable leadership, and that we have gone from theater to governing. we will not always agree with joe biden, but we will at least know what we disagree with. he's been very candid to say we're in an emergency, to say we
may lose a half million lives to 600,000 lives when this is over. to not give us what we want to hear, but what we need to hear. it gives people a sense that an adult is in charge. when you look at the press briefings now and not looking at it like this is some reality show where somebody is going to be pulling somebody's hair out, but you're going to get information it makes people feel like at least there's somebody stable at the wheel of the car. we know we're driving through dangerous terrain, but we don't have someone at the wheel that may drive us over the cliff. treat drive us through a bumpy road. when you have former presidents standing with this president, saying we're going to give you the information and the outlier told you to put bleach in your veins, that's what we are
looking at here. if you have a guy that told you to put bleach in the vein, but couldn't tell you to take the vaccine, need i say more? >> that's stunning, and the two last appearances with tony fauci, today going even farther, saying it likely cost people their lives to have all that disinformation out there around the time of a pandemic. reverend al, charlie sykes, thank you so much for starting us off. yamiche is sticking around. the article of impeachment against former president trump, will be delivered on monday. what does it look like? we'll cover it next. plus shortages now looming. experts are not optimistic that more can be made until the spring? where then should the biden administration shift the pandemic response to? as trump exits one job, he
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next week the senate and the country will enter truly uncharted territory. house speaker nancy pelosi will send the article of impeachment against donald trump on monday, triggering the first-ever trial of an ex-president. joining our conversation is garrett haake, and msnbc legal analyst andrew wiseman, former
senior mob of the mueller investigation, now a professor at new york university school of law. garrett, first take me through what is happening after the article is transmitted. a year ago we all went through this, all three of us together. the next day a the charges are red. >> reporter: the article will come over on monday. that means the trial process could start as early as tuesday. we should hold out the possibility that senators might still way we want to way longer and delay this, if they have consent to do so we wouldn't see arts start for another week. it was seven days from when the article came over. we know that former president
trump got his attorney yesterday. we don't know how prepare he would be for the defense. the senate would still have to pass something organize the trial, this is how long we think it will go, this is how we'll handle documents, witnesses and so forth, so there's a lot of procedure business to be conducted before we could hear the actual arguments, which by this time around could be a three, four-day process. all 100 senators were witnesses, as well as they will be jurors. >> that's such an interesting point. i was about to ask about the ways this looks like a trial like what we're used to seeing in any crime show on television. what does the process look like of preparing for a trial? a senate for a crime that took place, basically as garrett said, in front of the all the members of the senate, and on live tv in large part?
>> so one thing that is interest in a real criminal case, you would not allow jurors, who are victims of the crime, to sit on the case. here, all of the senators were victims of the crime, but they weren't necessarily sort of live witnesses to the crimes of the president. in other words, the president didn't commit the crime in front of them. the president committed most of the crime on tv, and things that everyone could see. i think that only interesting part is how much the house managers will go into what they could gather from what the president was doing behind the scenes. in other words, one of the very damning pieces of evidence would be once the attack occurred, if you're trying to prove the president's intent, you want to know exactly his reaction,
because it seemed bick all accounts, he did not lift a finger to stop what was going on, and he quite enjoyed it, so that could be compelling evidence if they go down that route. there's been video that emerged of the family, donald trump, jr.,s his girlfriend, the white house chief of staff watching the frosty riot and cheering, and there's contemporaneous reporting of sources and accounts of all of that conduct on the president's part that you're speaking to, that he sat there, and there's multiple news organizations have reported that the calls to the commander in chief to get the national guard to protect those tess capitol, including his vice president, went unheeded. it was the vice president who intervened. so we already had a lot of that in public view. is that enough? >> so a lot of the public view
stuff will be played. there's no question it's quite damning. the issue is the public reporting, the sources saying it, that's sort of hearsay, and i can imagine senators wanting to hear from witnesses wanting a more reliable source. once thing that's important to note, is even if the how cannot show that the president incited this conduct, which i think they probably can make a conpel case it is enough to convict if the president is shown to essentially have done nothing as touch going on. in other words it's not a criminal case where you need to prove that he incited beforehand. can you show that while it was going on he was basically just sitting back and not taking any action to prevent it. that would justify the senators
in voting to convict. i should say there's a legal argument that i suspect he will make, which is now that he's out of office, that it is unconstitutional to impeach him i think there's substantial evident to say that won't gain traction. >> garrett haake, i want to run two pieces of recording out there you've such a great reality check on this. i remember your reporting and others during the last impeachment trial that there were republican senators who said absolutely, the case of abuse of power was proven, but there's an election. if the case is proven, we are not going to vote our
conscience. we're going to make a political decision to let voters make that decision. my other question is, i'm seeing some churn that there is some belief, some movement, some desire to purge trump from the republican ranks? is that real? >> reporter: i think it's real, but not widespread. donald trump was never someone who was comfortably atop the republican party -- >> did mitch mcconnell want that? >> reporter: that was the "new york times" reporting, but i've not seen pushback. he's not doing a lot to knock it down, either. but it's not necessarily what republican voters want. that may be the disengagement
here on that point. on the first point, yes, i think we'll see some republicans use a technicality to avoid voting for conviction here. it's the one cowens blower wiseman talks about. many of them have already said they shouldn't be going down this road. you will hear, i guarantee, some republicans argue this is a move that will weaken the presidency, that it's not constitutional and that it's not appropriate to sort of punish what they'll describe as political speech kind of after the fact when he's no longer president i think you'll see some use that technical fact that he's no longer president of the united states to say this is really bad conduct, but gosh, it's out of or hands. >> no profiles of courage in that caucus. we will continue to call on both of you as we march forward in uncharted territory.
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manufacturing capacity makes it impossible for biden to ramp up the immediate vibes supply before april. in the short term, they say with the current shortage of vaccination centers, which president biden has promised to improve, and vac nay pledged by moderna and pfizer, his goal of one million shots a day is too low. more symptoms of a failed program by the previous administration which has only led to about 19.1 million vac nations so far. dr. redliner, explain this. we don't have enough supply, but we also don't have enough distribution points and get to arms the supply we have.
>> this is a different right now. a big reveal has happened about the disaster of the legacy of the whole covid plan and process that trump left for the biden administration. what we have right now are multiple challenges. number one, we do not have ago many vaccine doses as we thought we were going to have, but we also don't have enough syringes and vials of the vaccine and so on. we have less than half the vaccines that are out there that have actually been distributd then we have a couple million who have gotten the second dose. we have a lot of vaccine on the shelves. but the other big challenges, nicolle, the states don't have enough assets and personnel to get this vaccine out there as
rapidly as we need to. so a lot of issues that we have to deal with right now. the bottom line, though, is it's going to be many, many months before we actually get enough people vaccinated to get the herd immunity whee all liking for, nicolle. >> while it is miraculously good news that a vaccine has been developed, that it's just the first stop and there's so many more stops along the way. what is, in your estimations, a realistic timeline for having vaccines available at a walgreens drugstore, which is where i know most people i know get their shots. >> we need to be able to use every possible venue for getting people vaccinated. the walgreens and cvs programs right now are you focused
getting people vaccinated who are older, but we need to open up every drugstore so we can accelerate what we need to do, but it's going to be a long time before we actually get this all in place. i think it's a lot more complicated than the biden team actually anticipated. many, many things did not happen that were going to happen in terms of help for the states to get in done, contracts with these pharmacies, so on and so forth. a lot of details that have to be worked out. it's not a menu, to say we'll do a and b. we have to do all of it. it's a huge task right now. the longer we wait, the more we'll have problems and challenges with the various variants and mutation. we have to move fast.
>> it's been overshadowed by news this week, but we've set ever record for number of deaths this weeks. more than 4,000 americans have died every day this week. can you pull back the currenten a little bit on the urgency and the -- >> when i talked to biden officials about what they found, what they're learning about the trump administration's response, i get exasperated sides on the other end of the phone calls. i was talking to one official who told me, it's not starting from scratch, but very close to it.
he said the trump administration didn't really have a real plan for how to get the vaccine into americans' arms. instead, that person told me, and a number of sources told me, the trump administration plan amounted to this, dumping the vaccine -- that's their words -- dumping the wreaks into their -- vaccine into the states and letting them figure it out. dr. fauci said we could possibly get to normalcy in the fall, but what i'm hearing, they're having to build an entire federal response that simply was not there before. they're trying to get in touch with the pharmacies, community centers, trying to give the states -- that they've been asking for since the first day of the up and down, direction from the federal government. it's somewhat striking, the same issues we had way back in january, february, mer are
echoing themselves with the vaccine, because governors saying we don't know what to do, because the federal government has not given us inside. so the biden administration is stepping in to try. >> it was the crisis of the spring and early summer, that governors were trying to find ventilators, test swabs, test materials. that is the legacy of the trump white house. thank you both so much for spending some time with us. still ahead here, how donald trump's presidency impacted his family business, four years later. his family bu four yrsea later
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as a president, i could run the trump organization -- great, great company -- and i could run the country. i would do a very good job, but i don't want to do that. these papers are all just a piece of the many, many companies that are being put into trust to be run by my two sons, who i hope at the end of eight years, i'll come back and say, you did a good job. otherwise, if they do a bad job, i'll say, you're fired. >> if we bleeped out one thing that wasn't true, it would be one long bleep. it's not eight years, but four. it looks like his kids didn't do a good job running his businesses at all. he'll likely find it a shell of
its former self, thanks in part to how he ran the company. "the washington post" is reporting that the pandemic contributed to a lot of revenue. to add to his troubles and the trump's banks and the law firm that represented him on tax issues, famous for the piles of papers that he said were inside those folders at that 2017 trump tower press conference. they announced they would sever ties with the trump businesses. to sum it up -- quote, the picture emerging shows the inversion of his fortune, promising to remake the country in the image of his growing, swaggering business. now he returns to a business remade in the image of the country he read -- beleaguered, indebted, toxically politicized. wow, joining our conversation is david farenthal first the
charities, the businesses the emoluments, and the through line that will endure, the indebtedness of his companies. while it feels like karma, it's still a remarkable story of failure and calamity. how bad is it? >> it's worse than i think it's been for trump since maybe his famous collapse at the beginning of the 1990s. not only are all his businesses that have anything to do with hospitality get crushed by covided people, the partners, the opportunities that he might have used to build it all back, he's lost those just in the last couple weeks because of his own actions. he can't blame anybody but himself. it was already a very dire situation, and now the latter his was going to use to climb
out of it seems to be gone. >> can you just layer those things for us? he had his indebtedness, he had deutsche bank and other lender fleeing, and then after the insurrection, he lost all opportunities to associate and anything like the gooch or celebrities, or any company that cares about its image as being against an insurrection, fleeing from his properties. how do they stack up? what is the most damages to him? >> i think some of the most damaging for him -- put aside covid. he came in with that problem, with, you know, an empire dependent on tourism, it's gone, ant won't come back for years to come. but then he still had people who stuck by him.
he had lawyers, bankers, vendors, even had something that the pga had given him, the pga championship in 2022. all these people who have stuck with him through charlottesville, stuck with him through the campaign, they were still there ready for him to restart his business. now they're gone. three of the four banks that held the bulk of his money -- even his banks won't hold his money anymore. that forces him to find new banks, new lawyers just at the moment when he needs professional help the most. >> also at a moment when he's under extreme legal scrutiny in new york state. i talked to a former trump ally who said -- this was before the insurrection -- he said he will spend the rest of his life in litigation over his businesses, and the way -- all of the legal exposure there. what does that picture look like
with everyone running away? do they become more willing witnesses in those criminal investigations? >> i think trump has to think about it. he's driven away some lawyers, alienated folks who worked for him. the drawing to the organization was always loyalty. people who worked for him worked for him years and years. now he needs all those folks, internal folks, outsiders like lawyers, bankers, need to show loyalty. his business is until legal cite any like never before. there are simultaneous investigations. they'll want witnesses, documents, and cooperation from folks. you have to think what he's done in the last few weeks makes it more likely they'll find people who say this is the time i'm turning my back on donald trump. i have to think about myself, not him. >> you talk about he loyalty as his company's ethos, i think the
michael cohen. are you surprised there were no preemptive pardon to his bankers or any of the other who, after that supreme court decision, now are compelled to cooperate with investigations into his companies? >> i am surprised. i actually pre-wrote stories about trump pardoning, you know, his cfo. none of it came to pass. none of those folks are under a federal investigation, as far as we know. >> right. >> there's nothing to protect them from, but i think had the might pardon his children or some folks close to him. that being said, the biggest threat he faces in terms of his business, legal threats right now is the state level, pardons would have done nothing for that, and might have implied guilt, you know. i'm going to pardon my cfo, then maybe you're saying he commit add crime, even if you don't know it yet. i'm sort of surprised he didn't
try. >> are you surprised he didn't return to a home? he's living in like a studio on his club property, which i don't think it's legal? >> i am a little surprised. mar-a-lago, he has an apartment there. i'm sure it's very nice, but legally there's an agreement he made with the town of palm beach whether he decided to thunder this from a home into a business. part of the agreement is he wouldn't live there more than 23 days a year. so there are some folks trying to enforce that. if that happens, it won't force him to go live somewhere else. he also owns a couple houses near mar-a-lago, but his plan to live in mar-a-lago, you're right -- >> david, your reporting over the four years, such an important, important through line of the trump era. thank you for sharing it with us. the next hour of "deadline: white house" starts
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♪♪ i've spoken to speaker pelosi, who informed me that the articles will be delivered to the senate on monday. i've heard some of my republican colleagues argue that this trial would be unconstitutional, because donald trump is no longer in office. it makes no sense whatsoever that a president or any official could commit a heinous crime against our country and then be permitted to resign so as to avoid accountability and a vote to disbar them from future office. it makes no sense. the senate will conduct a trial
of the impeachment of donald trump. it will be a full trial. it will be a fair trial, but make no mistake, there will be a trial. hi again, everyone. it's 5:00 in northern. donald trump is out of office and still making presidential history. he will be the first president to face a senate impeachment trial after leaving the white house. trump was impeached for inciting an insurrection, by a bipartisan majority of the house of representatives, just one week after the angry mob of his own supporters stormed the capitol, and the delivery of that article to the senate now sets the wheels in motion for the senate trial to begin as early as next week. for rulings of the chamber, the senate is required to beginle trial at 1 p.m. after the article is sent, but it remains to be seen if there's any great to delay the process. speaker pelosi has moved to send
the article, a sharp rejection of senator mcconnell's request to delay. we respectful of the senate's constitutional power over the trial and always attend up to the fairness of the process, knowing that the former president will have had the same amount of time to prepare for the trial as our managers. the future of american democracy relies upon his conviction. if donald trump is convicted in the senate, a vote that would require 17 republicans to join with democrats, the senate could then vote to disqualify him from holding future office. the triggering of the senate trial adds to an already busy session for the chambers, splitting the days between impeachment and confirmation
hearings has been floated, though it's been shot down by some republicans this is where we start this hour with some of our most favorite reporters and friends. peter baker is back. also joining us is nbc news correspondent heidi przybilla, and neil katiel, msnbc contributor, a favorite of leslie jones, who is a favorite of mine. neil, please start and take me to school on the law. the republican talking point is that you can't try someone who is no longer a president. that seems -- is that the case? >> no. it's kind of like saying you shouldn't prosecutor a murder, because the victim is already dead. it's hilarious the same people who, for two months, have been complaining about the election fraud litigation, saying courts
aren't reaching the merits, deciding it on all these procedural grounds, are the same guys saying let's run this procedural defense that you can't impeach a sitting president and not reach the merits of the thing. so the text of the constitution, nicolle is very clear. one is the one we have talked about before, removal from office, but the other is a lifetime ban on future office holding. that is all about this kind of thing. i mean, removal is about neutralizing a clear, print threat. disqualifying from future office is about earneding that threat for the future. otherwise you can have a person, you know, avoid impeachment just by resigning. >> right. >> in 1876, we prosecuted -- we had the impeachment of william bellknapp. he was nonetheless, you know,
considered for impeachment and the trial. there have been other times as well. even if you go all the way back to england, at the time of the founding there were all sorts of precedents as people being impeached. so i think the text and history is quite clear. >> that's the what of it. i want to ask you about the evidence. it strikes me that last time the evident really wasn't in dispute, that even republicans were able to admit, some of them off the record and some of them after the fact, that the case of the abuse of power was proven by the house managers, but their decision or calculation is they would wait for the election to render judgment, which renders absolutely as nine their position when they said joe biden had won fair and square, but we'll do that another day. here's nancy pelosi about that. >> this year the whole world
boar witness to the president's incitement, to the execution of his call to action, and the violence that was used. i do see a big difference between something that we all witnessed versus what information you might need to stanch yale an article of impeachment based on, in large part, a call that the president made and described. there are accounts from even the trumpiest of trump officials, this is from a top pentagon official, who says in "vanity fair" -- the president threw us under the bus. when i say us, i don't mean only unpolitical appointees or us. he threw america under the bus. he caused a lot of damage to the fabric of the country. did he storm the capitol himself? no, but i believe he had an
opportunity to tamp things down and he chose to. i mean, he's in charge. when you're in charge, you're responsible for what goes wrong. >> so, first of all, i'm glad there will be evidence this time around. last time they truncated the trial to stopping that, but now with the change in senate comp position, there will be a real trial and there will be evidence. you're absolutely right, the evidence speaks for itself, trump 'reese action, what he said, the entire storming of the capitol. that's in full view for the entire world to see, which is different with the kind of transcript that was classified at one point in ukraine and then ultimately released. i do think that quote you just had from "vanity fair" indicates one thing. i always think about, do i want my trial to have a fast or slow trial. here, yes, the democrats are
pushing for a fast trial, but i think trump's folks are too. the more time that elapses, the more stories like that will be wring, the more people will come out and say here is trump actually did. here was his text message. here's what he said. the more time that elapses after january 20th is more time that donald trump is more and more powerless, and the power of the presidency has kind of washed off of him. so it's easier for those folks to come forward. of course, the more time that elapses, if i'm donald trump's lawyer, i'm going to worry it's more time for him to say more crazy, seditious things to the media or whoeverever is los angeless. a fast trial did benefit him, but there's something pretty overgentlemaning evidence.
>> with casting doubt on absentee ballots, telling voters in north carolina to vote twice, he would deferred them if they got in trouble. it repelled some of his one-time defenders. no one got through to him. so what does it picture of the president's culpability look like to the few people around the president who see it for what it is. >> first of all, i think that's a story you will hear the house managers tell the senate if and when they get to trial. they'll just not prosecutor the events of january 6th. i believe they'll make the argument that it was the culmination of discrediting or trying to discredit the democratic process. that's part and parcel of the longer story.
he made it clear last summer that would be his argument, even under any circumstances if he lost, and then time and time again he tried to convince the public, and succeeded with many, that there was some type of widespread flaw even when his attorney general and others said there was nothing. you saw that in the article of impeachment, they referenced that call to the georgia secretary of state, where he pressured the secretary of state to find me 11,000 votes. this is a story that goes beyond january 6th. it may go longer than the house proceeding, because you may have evidence that's introduced and debated. >> you know, heidi, there's
reporting that some trump officials were paid for organizing events. there are arrests every single day, the fbi is arresting individuals who participated in the insurrection. some of them, in defense of their actions are saying the president any of theed me here. talk about the clock and the calculation that, as this goes on, as more evidence is revealed, as more of the insurrection is charged, the picture will become worse, not better. >> the qanon shaman is using that as a defense, that he was told that trump said i'm going with you, and he went back to the white house and watched them go. there's also the questions of what additional calls were made
to the white house between that time, and why it took the president so long to denounce what happened, if there's any new evidence that may come out about that. i remember, nicolle, it was when the president came out afterwards and said his comments were totally appropriate prior to the riot. that's when a lot of lawmakers broke with him. so there is a lot of question marks about how evidence will be introduced, if there is additional evidence, if there will be any witnesses, even though much of the congress of the winces. they're the witness it is and the jury. but at the same time, nicolle, a lot of folks i talked to on the hill say think don't see at this particular time there would be enough votes among republicans to convict. here is the thing about time. time allows for more evidence, it allows for more stories to come out, but also allows some
of these lawmakers who were shaken to their core by this experience, to be a little bit distanced from it, to have their memories fade a bit. that's why the democrats want to move it quicker. perhaps that's why mitch mcconnell was working for this agreement to push it out a bit, two, three, weeks, more breathing space. we're already seeing mccarthy saying initially he believed the president helped foment this. now a week or two later he's turning a complete 180 on it. more of these republicans may start to think about the politics. lindsey graham said in aries messageo to his flock, we can't do this in the mid terms without donald trump. a lot of republicans will be looking that way. it is notable that mitch mcconnell has publicly broken
with this president and said, yes, he helped kind of incite this. he has not said where he stands on conviction. >> that's such an interesting piece of this story, peter baker. you, maggie haberman, and your colleagues have been doing some reporting. how much concern is there among his daughter, son-in-law, folks around him, who would like to have a commercial future, who would like to have a political future, that mitch mcconnell, the most powerful republican in the senate, completely indifferent, bordering enthusiastic on a conviction? >> the contrast between his position now versus where it was a year or so ago, is rather
striking. he said nothing will happen on my part that he hasn't coordinated with the white house counsel's office. this time around hide id said, i'm not sure, but he's open to that idea, radically different stance for the senate republican leader who work so likely. now, around the former white house, the trump team, i think what's important to the president is he just retained a lawyer, someone recommended by lindsey graham, because his previous lawyers do not want to have anything to do with him. he hasn't said anything in public since he left office. of course he doesn't have his twitter accounts to give us his thoughts on an hourly basis, so we don't know exactly where his
head is at, in a way we used to know for four years. i think he's in a bad place. he needs to think about where he goes the next few years of his life. >> i want to try to tie joe biden's ever utterance is about bipartisanship. the truth is this impeachment was very bipartisan. i take heidi's point about time very seriously. getting away from the attack and the event may lessen the intensity, but the truth is, even with trump still as the president in command of his twitter feed, ten republicans broke with him. one said -- this vote is not a victory for my party and isn't a victory that the democrats might think it is.
but it is a call to action, for us to reflect on these events and seek ways to correct them. it seems that, of course, trump will be on trial. the senate will be on trial, too it feels like that's a question that doesn't get asked often of anyone up there. >> 100%, nicolle. trump timely managed to do something bipartisan, which is unite some republicans with democrats in favor of his impeachment. you know, it's the most bipartisan impeachment vote by a many in united states history. what we're seeing now among the senate republicans is a battle for the identity of that party. there is a faction that does want to dispel trump, and then there's a faction that's only loosely attached to having a democracy. when you think back to the last vote, a lot of republicans said,
yeah, he did it. >> what did he do? he tried to cheer on a foreign power. when you have all the snows say except mitt romney to stay she -- is astounding. i don't care -- you can be the most diehard conservative person around and have all sorts of views on policy, but this should be totally above policy. this should be a also who stokes an gression is not the kind of person that our founders thought should have any business being anywhere near public office. >> i think that's right, and i think we let them off the hook by shoving this through.
one of house managers who will prosecutor the case again donald trump before the united states senate, congressman madeline dean will join us. after the insurrection at the capitol, our good friend steve schmidt tackles that one. it's only day three, but as joe biden confronts the massive crises, we're already learning a lot about the kind of president he will be. "deadline: white house" continuing after a quick break. don't go anywhere, we're just getting started. break don't go anywhere, we're just getting started. orce veteran mae of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for.
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among the colossal issues at stake in the upcoming impeachment trial of donald trump, whether he will ever be held accountable for trying to overturn democrat sec itself. my next guest will be working for a conviction. joining us now, madeline dean of pennsylvania, a member of the judiciary committee. thank you so much for spending time with us. i wonder if you could take us through what happens next week. what is your understanding of the timing for the trial? >> thank you for having me, nicolle. we do know on monday we will take and present of articles of impeachment to the senate. i know the timing is a subject of negotiation, above my pay grate. i'm focusing on preparing for
the trial. our team of managers is fully prepared. >> speaker pelosi made that point, whatever the timing is, she's fair because the managers have the same amount of time as donald trump's lawyers. she also made the point that the evidence is out there for many to see. can you just talk about the evidence you'll be presenting? >> you can't preview for you the evidence, but certainly your reporting reveals what much of the evidence would be. we were all witness to it. i'm stunned by it still. just two weeks ago, the president incited a mob to riot and create an insurrection, in an attempt to coup, in an attempt to overthrow a free and fair election, for his own personal political gain, and five people died. it wasn't just any day of the week, he invited, incited this
mob on january the 6th. he knew exactly what that date meant. it was a date where the vice president and congress would complete our constitutional duty. it is shocking to me to this moment that we were hunted, that gangs were chanting "hang mike pence." they looked to assassinate speaker pelosi. we cannot turn a blind eye on this. we will be prepared with the evidence of world has watched both of the president's behavior and attempted insurrection. >> i mean, you and i talked a couple days after and i asked if you felt safe and very candidly, you said you did not. donald trump made it that you are not safe at your job, but inciting the insurrection against the capitol. i wonder what your understanding is of the current security situation at the capitol? >> i've had a chance to be there quite a bit over the course of
the week. i was just there today. i have to tell you, number one, i am so moved by the dedication of the capitol police. anyone i've been in contact with, they are committed, they are dedicated, they are heartbroken for what took place. of course, the lo of two of their members. i also today had a chance to visit with national guard members from pennsylvania, from my home state, from my area, frankly. it was an honor to meet with them over in the capitol visitors center. today the capitol stands very, very secure. i do feel safe, but look what it took. it took an incited attempted coup by a president, and the presence of tens of thousands of national guard to support our capitol police and metropolitan police. it's a sad state where we are, but certainly the capitol is very secure now. >> can you explain the reporting
overnight that some national guardsmen ended up in a garage? >> i can't. i have read the reporting. that's why i took the chance to say to go find some members of pennsylvania national guard to simply say i'm sorry, i have no idea why that level of disrespect and just utter mistaken order took place. we'll have to find out. i don't know who made that order or why it would have happened, but it was clearly a mistake. you say the capitol police rectify that and hang around until every one of these was brought back inside. >> is it your expectation or belief that the security situation will remain fraught throughout a trial of donald j. trump? >> i'm send it will stay heightened. i think those a unity of purpose that this temple of on
democracy, and all of those who work there, the staff, the janitorial staff, the police, everyone who works there must be kept safe, and certainly it will be kept safe throughout the trial and i'm sure well beyond. >> i am surprised that if you look at the reaction after 9/11, it was fleeting down, but a laying down of our partisan arms. again, the decisions are still decisive and polarizing, but a lot of the decisions that were made was bipartisan. it's more than stunning that 100 houses republicans voted to turn over the election after the insurrection. i think seven senate republicans voted so. how do you -- what is the strategy for sort of breaking the partisan spell around the
trial, which seems to me to have nothing to do with politics, but just a question for the united states senate. do you care about the rule of law? do you care about a lawless president who incites an insurrection? >> that's a very good point. you were talking previously about timing. i do think the delay, whatever the matter should be, members who voted not to certify the election or not to impeach have had a chance or will continue to have a chance to reflect. i was really moved by president biden, the night before he was sworn in, the memorial he did at the reflecting pond and the lincoln memorial. what he said there i thought laid a predicate for our own work. he said, to heal, we must remember. it's hard sometimes to remember, but that's how we heal. it's important we do that as a
nation. as much as he was talking about healing through mourn and grieving, mourning the dead, including my own mother-in-law, he was speaking to heal from -- this nation from the attack, we have to remember. >> i think you're right about that congresswoman dean, you always make us think. thank you for spending time talking with us. we'll continue to turn to you as this proceeds. thank you. >> thank you for having me. when we return, denouncing racism and white supremacy used to be something literally everybody could agree on. but why today are so many republicans mad about president biden doing so? steve schmidt will try to answer that, next. steve schmidt will try to answer that, next and wellness to help you age actively. with medicare advantage plans designed for the whole you,
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>> you're really starting to hear things, rand. could it be sign of a guilty conscience that rand paul and other republicans apparently seeing a new white house rebuilding a moral foundation, calling for says did i, condemning white supremacists? they saul it as personal attacks? and members who say they don't come close to the standard, questioning the role they played in the insurrection earlier this months. seven democrats have filed an ethics complaint against senators ted cruz and josh hawley, calling for an investigation to fully understand their roles. they write, quote -- the actions of which we know demand an investigation and a determinedation whether disciplinary action is warranted. until then a cloud of uncertainty will hang over them and over this body. joining us is steve schmidt, now lincoln project cofounder and
msnbc contributor, my longtime friend. steve, i think a lot of our colleagues here would say worked have, but i didn't predict about freaking out when someone says we should start at the truth about election before we debate tax cuts or other things, is where the republican party was heading? >> well, for sure. look, nicolle, we have a real-life autocratic movement in this country that would be supported in the election by 40% of the country. at the end of the day, it's important to recognize the dimensions of president biden's victory. he got more votes than any candidate in american history. that electorate repudiated donald trump by some 7 million votes, and we turned away, at least in the executive office from trumpism, so when you look at the elements that sustained donald trump, you have a propaganda element, it's
sophisticated, most maintreatment element is fox news, the biggest element of the propaganda side. you see the cynical elites, like rand paul, like the seditious ted cruz and josh hawley, and ron johnson, and the conspiracy theorist nuts in the house of representatives. you see the financiers of the movement, the corporate america that funded the political committees that elected them. on the 6th, 147 members of congress, after an insurrection where an amalgam of fascist produce boys, white nationalists, white supremacists, neonazis, conspiracy theorists, thugs, political extremists stormed, occupied the capitol of the united states, the capitol of the united states fell to them. during the attack, the american flag was ripped down and the
maga flag was hoisted in its place. the american flag was used to beat a capitol police officer, to bludgeon him. these cynical members are in a coalition that has mainstreamed the participation of the fascist and white supremacists. they assaulted the capitol of the united states. a psychiatrist might say what rand paul is expressing this is a consciousness of guilt. by any members, those members came back inside and they voted, all of them white. they voted to throw out, on no basis whatsoever, the votes of millions of african-americans, to disenfranchise them, to strip their voice, that i constitutional rights, to full fit them, so silence their voice
for the purposes of overturns an election, to install the user of that election into power, which would have resulted in the fall of the 244-year american republic. that's what happened. nobody is seeking retribution or revenge for the attack against the people of the united states and against the people's government. we simply seek justice. we seek accountable. if we do not respond forcefully to the sedition, to the attempted coup, we guarantee that there will be another one. so rand paul, this man who has claimed fidelity to the constitution, has soiled his oath. he's betrayed it. he's becoming a leading figure in a cult of personality who sought to end the american experiment in the name of donald trump. maybe that's why he feels guilty. whether he feels guilty or not,
he's profoundly unfit to serve in the united states senate. his conduct is abhorrent. >> steve, elizabeth newman, who i think whose relationship with the republican party is different from ours. she hopes ha some can steer it in a different direction that the republicans noo need to root root out the bad apple. another said you need people in the community to root out the extreme elements. do you think the republican party has the will to do that? and who would do it? >> no. it's a fantasy. this party has hijacked by the extremists. they're in control of it. as a matter of fact, they control it at a state party level. they control it at a national party level. matt gaetz made clear that
donald trump is the leader of the america first movement. that's the movement of the republican party. that's movement like the movement that proceeded it in the 1930s is a fascist movement. that's what the republican party is. now, in any autocratic movement, one of the things that is a trade of it is the purge. you're seeing that right now. after the vote on the 6th, the republican party fractured irreconcilably in a way that's not so different that what happened to the wig party after the vote in kansas-nebraska act that allowed for the expanse of slavery westward. that destroyed the party. they couldn't sit in coalition together. you saw the incredible courage of liz cheney on a matter of principle say, i'm a conservative, but i'm for democracy. now you see the attempt to purge liz cheney. as we move into the primaries in
'22, what side will be ascendant? who will win these primaries? i think the autocratic side is going to steamroll the vestigal pro-democracy wing of the republican party, which is a minority by membership. they're going to steamroll them like the germans did to the belgian army in 1940. what does that mean? it means we will have more clinically insane people elected to the congress, but it also means that we'll see democrats be able to win elections in competent 'tis districts, other even districts with a slight republican advantage as the majority condemns this. there's only two ways to win a fight, you bring your opponent to submission or they exhaust
you while they're trying. we have no way to compromise with the white supremacists and nationalists and the people who believe the government is run by cannibalistic pedophiles. we can't ever lose an election at a national level to these people again, because it could be the last election that we have in the united states. their intent is clear. we cannot be exhausted in the prosecution of the fight for democracy against people who have made that i fidelity to autocrazy -- autocracy clear. it's a movement that donald trump has started in america. that movement let to, for the first time in american history since the first transition of power in 1796 -- excuse me,
1797. we have the transfer of power. for the first time it was not peaceful. it's not a moment, it's a process. it was a bloodstained process pape incitements of ted crew, josh hawley, kevin mccarth, donald trump and donald trump junior, and members of congress like mo brooks. we have a big question. law enforcement is saying by the end of the month there's 1,000 of the incited who caused mayhem and death under arrest. what about the incitors? what about the people who told the big lie? what is their moral responsibility? what will the institutional consequences be under the rules of the senate or the house of representatives? what will the american people demand? the president called the nation to a great national purpose, to crush covid and to defend american democracy. that's the question on the table.
some day we're going to start this conversation at 4:00, so we don't run into time limits. i think you're right. i appreciate your clarity and your candor. thank you, my friend. >> good to be with you, nicolle. when we come back, the end of a historic week, a new president and vice president beginning to confront crisis after crisis after crisis. what are the early days of the biden presidency tell us about going forward? "deadline: white house" is back after a quick break. "deadline: white house" is back after a quick break. ok everyone, our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy. whoo-hoo! great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health.
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underestimate the challenge ahead. as rahm emanuel put it in "the washington post" -- biden has d, all of the above. branding and marketing expert danny deutsche, and ayisha mills. danny, what do you think about biden's first two speeches? >> you know, it's interesting. his campaign was sold as build back better, three bs as far as the what. the how, and you're seeing it is calm, compassionate, competent. you see the way he lays things out, with honesty, he lays out a plan. he does it with empathy, with hope. it's all humane. it's all humane. it's about putting football on the table, get jobs back, solving the pandemic. he, to me, has pitch perfect.
the other thing he is, he's been authentic. that's the only thing he has in common with his predecessor, who did it in a way that was basically chaotic, cruel, inhumane and incompetent. what they have is authenticity. as a former ceo, i don't think you can do any better. one more point, as a ceo, his advantages, when you come in with things so broken -- basically you block and tackle and be a decent human beings, put the right things in place and you look like a hero. right now we have an early ronald reagan we're staring ought now. >> as a former staffer, i have to say they are executing their desired messages with incredible competent. i mean, i don't know if it's we're all so starved to see a white house run competently, but it is worth pointing out for a team that had to deal with an are a shortened, abridged,
stressful transition, they really have hit the ground running. >> they sure have. i think that was one of the messages in the campaign, nicolle, to the american people. look, the good news is joe biden has been around a long he's had a 40-year career. he's actually been in the white house before as vice president. he actually knows what he is doing, and he is going to bring people with him that have been in government a long time and know what they're doing. now that's not fun or sexy, right? so the downside is maybe it's not going to be the glitz and glam that people were hoping for. but at the end of the day, he's got a team assembled that's going to know how go into agency, literally dismantle all the damage that donald trump did and actually make those agencies function properly. and on his first day, he i think put out three key messages. one, got to get this pandemic under control. he cares about us as the american public and our health. he is going to figure that out in short order to make sure that we get right back on track.
and the other thing he did through executive order is immediately pause, rescind and immediately start to dismantle all of the nasty things that the previous administration did through presidential order, through policy and the agency. and then the third thing, which gets to the humanity piece is that those executive orders also looked at people and said we're going to protect people from discrimination, right? we care about ethics and values. it matters to us that we are actually in a relationship with each other. even a speech he gave when he swore in his staff. he said if i hear you saying something nasty, i'm going fire you, right? because we don't do that anymore. i think this competency is the thing that's got us all sighing in relief. finally we have a grown-up doing the job that actually knows what he is doing, and i think we're going to be better for it. >> all right. you guys have to come back monday. we ran out of time today, but i'm dying to hear what you think of these first days. >> thanks, nicolle. >> when we do, as we do every day, we will remember lives well
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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. hi, ari. happy friday. >> hi, nicolle. happy friday. i want to welcome everyone to "the beat." i'm ari melber. tonight president biden is tackling this covid economy he has now inherited. he is emphasizing we're all in emergency as we probably all know, but he has a plan to help. >> the virus is surging where 400,000 dead. we're expected to reach well over 600,000. families are going hungry. people are at risk of being