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but this is typical of the help centers that are available at the crossing from ukraine over into countries, either nato countries like hungary or other eastern european countries that are not nato but are refuge for ukrainians didn't need to get out of the country. this is not a natural disaster. none of this needs to be happening. it's >> the a tragedy whose celtics visiting an purpose is hard to old friend and process. that human charlotte. isaiah beings still cause each thomas getting sent other this kind of to suffering in 2022. paces -- yet another that does it for us tonight. year. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for the from i t to j.c., last word with lawrence as in the soon to o'donnell. good evening be former my friend. >> good quarterback, evening ali. and at least, as you reported that's what it looks like right on that refugee now. crisis there, i think of all the people in this the ladies country who are crowned descended from champion people who last week, now it's the men's left where term. we're gonna look at the they came from, huskies left at the point of tournament that starts tomorrow a gun, night. left at the threat of we can see, war it's right here and other on nesn. dangerous this is nelson after because this hours, i am is a universal story that has been with us for a very adam pilar. there is this long time.
this issue of allowing is the latest goals sad chapter and seconds to the. left -- >> i would've that has been a problem hope that book was as of late. close, lawrence, we are going to but clearly it is hear what not. enjoy your show you have to say about tonight. thank you for that, the first, everything. >> thank there's been you. well a dramatic today, ukraine term's president from the volodymyr zelenskyy made history once bruins quarterbacks again when he making headlines. became the and we will start with first wartime president of a foreign country a trade between to address the the british parliament. presidents broncos and -- ellen ski spoke to over video conference denver from ukraine. in exchange and he received for and a standing ovation now they're in the british draft pick. parliament, a place where perhaps the greatest wartime speaker in british history wilson once rows the was reportedly parliament with words unhappy with the that presidents situation in seattle which gave it back to ellen's key borrowed today. before last in the dark first year of world war ii, after hitler season. conquered france, and the british decisively lost the ballot of dunkirk from which they had to retreat in order to preserve what was left of their fighting force, the british face the choice of surrendering to germany, the way france did. in order to save lives. or to stand and fight against
the most powerful army the british had ever faced. there was political pressure, on british prime minister within churchill to begin peace negotiations with germany in order to avoid what could turn out to be the greatest loss of life in the centuries long british history of war. it was not a difficult decision for winston churchill because like president sullen ski he really didn't think that there was a choice. and on june 4th 1940, winston churchill deliver the most rousing speech the parliament had ever heard. law >> we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. we shall fight on the beaches. we shall fight on the landing grounds. we shall fight in the field and in the streets. we shall fight in the hills. we shall never surrender. never surrender meant never. and whatever the cost meant, the last british shoulder would
fight the nazis until the end. today, president-elect ski said those same words. whatever the cost. >> i would like to remind you that the united kingdom have already -- which important again. we will not give up. and we will not lose. we will fight till the end at sea, in the air. we will continue fighting for our land, whatever the cost. please make sure that our ukrainian skies are safe for. please make sure but you do what needs to be done. and what is stipulated by the greatness of your country. best of all to ukraine and to the united kingdom.
[applause] >> today in response to presidents illuzzi's plea to blend the import of russian oil, president biden made this announcement. >> today i am announcing the united states is targeting the main artery of russia's economy. we're banning all imports of russian oil and gas and energy. that means russian oil will no longer be accepted in u.s. ports, the american people will deal on other powerful -- russian may continue to grind out its advance at a horrible price. but this much is already clear. ukraine will never be a victory for putin. putin may be able to take a city, but he'll never be able to hold the country. and if we do not respond to putin's assault on global peace and stability today, the cost of freedom and to the american people will be even greater tomorrow. >> presidents ellen ski issued
a visit over spawns saying, quote, i am personally thankful to the united states president biden for his decision, for his leadership, for the strong signal to the rest of the world. a very simple one, every cent pay to russia they turn into bullets and missiles that are aimed at other sovereign states. either russia respects international law and does not engage in a war, or it will have no money to star wars. cutting the flow of russian oil of course, means that gas prices will go up. >> they're gonna go up. >> what's gonna do about it? >> can't do much right now. russia is responsible. >> the president of the united states has not controlled the price of gasoline since world war ii, when they roosevelt administration controlled not just the price of gasoline but the very small amount of
rationed gasoline that people were allowed to buy. yale business school professional jeffrey -- has been tracking the american companies still doing business in russia. and today, three of the biggest companies joined hundreds of american companies in closing their operations in russia. finally, mcdonald's, starbucks, and coca-cola shut down operations. professor sonnenfeld said quote, i am glad they came around and made the right decision. it's a really important impact, and it's symbolic as much as it is substantive. today's hire director -- william burns who once served as ambassador to russia, gave the house intelligence committee this assessment of vladimir putin. >> i think he is far more insulated from other points of view and people who would challenge or question his views. in my opinion, that doesn't make him crazy but it makes it extremely difficult to deal with because of the hardening
of his views overtime and the narrowing of his inner circle. >> leading off our coverage, nbc nukes correspondent cal perry, in uv ukraine. and return army john spencer and orban where affair expert and chair of the urban warfare studies with the medicine policy forum. cal perry, what is the situation there tonight? >> so lawrence, there were eight cities and there are eight cities that are under siege by russian forces across the country. at the beginning of the day, russian ministry of foreign affair said there would only be a cease-fire in those cities. really, it was only one city, the northern city sumy. that a humanitarian -- 5000 civilians able to make it out of that city but in almost every single of those other cities the bombardment continue. the indiscriminate shelling of civilian areas has continued in -- that city has been completely cut off from the grid. there are bodies in the streets that cannot be moved because
people are just unable to get above ground for any period of time because the shelling there is so intense. and so you have a humanitarian crisis that is getting worse by the hour. we heard yesterday from president here in ukraine that a little girl died from dehydration, not even from the explosions or the violence. and that is kind of the area where we're moving into now, where it doesn't have to be the violence that is killing people, the situation on the ground now with these humanitarian crisis, these 2 million people that have left the country, the million or so that are on the move inside ukraine is enough to cost human lives. i had a chance to talk to somebody who fled the fighting from kyiv, and we're starting to hear from the first time, lawrence, of people who are leaving their houses because russian forces are physically moving into the area. here's just a little bit of our story. >> nights were like held because we we've been waiting for somebody can get in-house
and kill us and our children. so, it was too scary for us to stay there. we can't left our husbands there so we must be with them. but we heard some explosions so we decided that the best way forward for our children is to go out of war. maybe -- >> where i am, lawrence, the city of lviv used to have a population of 700, 000, it is now close to 1 million. where the 200,000 people here are being resettled in the city. it is truly bizarre to listen to winston churchill in my ear and report to you that some of the statues in the city are being bile bundled up and packed up for the third time. some of them were packed up during world war i, some were packed up again in world war ii,
and they are now being prepared again to be moved to either underground or perhaps to poland as the city is bracing for what is to come. lawrence? >> john spencer, we just heard president biden say today that putin -- he just said putin may be able to take a city, but he'll never be able to hold the country. meaning putin might have some regional control and some places in ukraine, but will not be able to hold the country. what was your military reaction to that assessment? >> almost a common sense one and now that we're seeing the will and the figure of the ukrainian people. putin can take all the cities. he'll face the biggest urban insurgency known to man, make afghanistan look like a good day in russia. >> and what would it look like to us if latin we are putin, if the russian army appears to take control at least at first?
>> yeah, so you'd have to rush double the amount of forces. this year counter uncertainty numbers that you need is usually like 1 to 20 population. you will need hundreds of thousands of troops at this point, understanding the resistance that your face. even if god willing he can't take kyiv, that's the only city that matters. if he does that, which i'm not the -- odds are not for him, the odds are against him there. you take the hundreds of thousands of troops who take a police state, literally i don't have a comparison in history, the type of hurt and she would face. >> well listen to what russian lieutenant colonel dimitri said in the press conference but we showed at this hour last night. he is a captured russian was explaining to reporters in ukraine about how the russian
personal feel. let's listen to this. what he said was currently people in the russian army, and in the national guard who are on the ukrainian territory, they are confused. they do not want a war. nobody wants this war. nobody wants to kill the ukrainians. cal perry, what is the ukrainian view of the russian soldiers? are they at any point picking up through the captured russian soldiers that they do -- they aren't really fully supportive of what is happening there? >> yeah, so this is a theme we are seeing every morning on television here. there used to be morning television programs and ukraine. every channel is now broadcasting around the clock coverage, of course, of the war. every morning i wake up, i see a stream of young russian soldiers. some of them are supposedly in country, others are supposedly pilots being shot out of the sky. all of them are being interrogated by somebody from
the ukrainian side, and the message that is being put out, it is very clear that the ukrainians are putting this out, this is a form of propaganda, the ukrainians are putting of this team that russian soldiers are lost. that they have been lied to. that they didn't know what they were doing here. that some of them arrived on exercise. but some have abandon their vehicles. it is a way to rally of course the ukrainian people to the cause. it is a way of convincing people to head to the front. it is a way of keeping spirits high. but it is also reflective of what the ukrainian government wants the world to know, which is that this military invasion that was supposed to be a -- a term that americans will use, to quickly take some of these cities, has not turned out to be the case. you still have that 40-mile-long convoy that is bogged down, that has not moved. there is a fight for the airspace over this country. but by and large, what was thought to have happened, which would have been a quick encircling of kyiv, quickly taking the cities along the black sea, has not happened. the ukrainian government is seizing on, that and they are trying to spread that narrative among the ukrainian people. >> tell harry and former army
major john spencer, thank you for starting off our discussion tonight. joining us now, former deputy to president obama and msnbc political analyst, and the author of after the fall, being american in the world we have made. also with us, franklin force, stuff writer -- his new piece in the atlantic is titled biden answered the 3 am phone call. ben rhodes, you have been there, you have been there for the 3 am phone calls. your assessment of the biden administration's handling of this so far, recognizing that they do not have a menu of good options it seems to be a witch choice to make today on the choice of bad options. >> first of all, on the scale of 3 am calls, this is a truly transformative moment and world history. a defining moment in the 21st century.
it is a moment that vladimir putin is making. you are making a mistake about that. thus far, the biden administration has looked at that and at no stage have they blinked. they were very clear and forthcoming with the information before the invasion that they saw this coming, that allowed them to kind of rally global opinion, and help prepare both ukrainians and our nato allies for what's to come. and clearly, cast vladimir putin as the aggressor. since this took place, since we have seen the escalation of russia's military involvement, they have moved very fast up the ladder of escalation that they had prepared to the most extreme consequences available to them economically, which were the swift bank sanctions that devastated the russian economy, and today -- the energy sanctions that denied russia additional weaponry, and single that we are never, ever going to go back to business as usual in any way, shape, or form with
flooding or putin. i would say so long as this invasion continues. frankly, so long as vladimir putin is there since he is so invested in this project. that does not mean that they can stop the suffering. they have been clear about what they can't do, and where they don't want to, do which is a direct military conflict with russia. but thus far would they have done is what they can do, which is support ukrainians, rally the allies, and imply all the pressure that they can up until that very ambiguous precipice of getting into direct conflict with russia. >> and president biden said today that there is no win here for vladimir putin. at whatever putin perceives to be the end of what is happening there, there will not be a win. if that is true, that is because of the way the world has aligned against vladimir putin, now even moving into the blocking of russian oil. >> yes. i don't think any of this was a foregone conclusion either.
i think if we flash back a month ago, i think that there was a lot of doubts whether the world would rally in this way against putin. largely because there was so much economic interdependence, so much energy interdependence in europe. it was coming on the heels of afghanistan, the trump years, the alliance was not in terribly good shape. biden i think deserves an incredible amount of credit for the deafness of -- he has been very self effacing, he has let other countries take the lead, i think the way he has waged information worker with the way that the sanctions were creative and so stringent were prepared in advance, sold in advance, organized in advanced, there was no scrambling in response to this. as information has come out, it has also been clear that -- or shipped in great comedy to ukraine in anticipation of the invasion, and also with the
eventuality of street warfare in mind. so it is also coming on the heels of -- it is also coming in this context where any mistake that we make could seriously escalate to an end think-able place. putin has clustered about nuclear weapons, so i think he has been -- as aggressive as you can be, but i think that he has also laid out some pretty clear lines for himself or he is not willing to go. in the past, we have seen various democrats feel the need the thump their chest, or look tough, but i think that he has put himself in a position where he is able to apply maximalist sanctions while avoiding the military confrontation that he does not want. >> the director of national intelligence today, april hangs, gave this assessment of vladimir putin. let's listen to this. >> putin is unlikely to be
determined by such setbacks and may escalate essentially doubling down to achieve ukrainian disarmament neutrality to prevent it from further integrating with u.s. and nato if it does not reach some diplomatic negotiation. we assess putin feels aggrieved the west does not give him proper difference, and perceives this as a war he cannot afford to lose. >> ben rhodes, what does it mean when you hear the director of national intelligence give you the line, he cannot afford to lose? >> i think that it means that vladimir putin is invested, he has invested his entire rule in this war in ukraine. this was clearly his decision. if you watch the run up to the war, part of what was peculiar in russia and to ukrainians is that putin did not try to prepare the russian people for this. he clearly didn't even communicate down the chain of command through his military when he was doing. if you look at that national
security council meeting, it seemed like the officials in his closest circle were not even sure what the answers were that they were supposed to give to vladimir putin. this is a man whose inner circle has shrunk to one. this is a man who made decisions listening only to the voices in his own head. and russians know that, and ukrainians know that, and the whole world knows that. so given that he has gone out on a limb, and clearly badly miscalculated, the idea that he can install some russian-backed puppet ukrainian government in kyiv is absurd. it is not going to happen. but government would not last one second. the moment russian occupying forces pull out. he has walked himself onto a limb, without any clear way out. but i think that a bill is right in her assessment that this is not the kind of man who is willing to take the loss and withdraw. so, right now we are in this very dangerous and devastating to the ukrainian people
circumstance where the ukrainian people's insistence on their sovereignty is completely irreconcilable with putin's state of mind, and the degree to which he has pushed all of the chips under the table. he is been that he can control ukraine and bring it into some greater russia, or restoration of the russian empire. this is why this is frankly such a difficult, dangerous, and disturbing situation that is going to have to be managed very carefully by the biden team going forward. that is why they played it right, but we have got many twists and turns to come. >> that is why joe biden's experience, and steadiness in the situation is being tested every day. because when you hear them say this is a war he cannot afford to lose, that seems to suggest to the president, because this is what she is reporting to the president, that we do not know what he might do because he cannot afford to lose it. therefore, president biden apparently at this stage has to be ready for anything. >> i think that is right.
i think one of the values of his experience, and the fact that he has incredible self confidence in his own foreign policy is that he it's not likely to be pushed into a place that he does not want to go. from the start of his dealings with vladimir putin, the slogan at the beginning of the administration is that he wanted a stable and transparent relationship with russia. well, obviously, we did not get stable. but i think that he has also committed himself to having a transparent relationship with them where he signaled to putin very clearly the cost that he was going to pay for action, and places where biden was not going to go. so, he was trying to limit the possibilities for any sort of miscalculation, which is clearly a danger in a situation like this. part of the problem is the straw cities, the war crimes that are being committed in ukraine right now deserve the
harshest response imaginable. but we also have to be aware that sometimes the harshest response imaginable is not the strategic, strategically correct decision. so biden is going to have to balance his moral impulse with his strategic sense of where he can guide this crisis best eaten. >> franklin four, and ben rhodes, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. coming up, a russia expert who was born in moscow and emigrated to the united states says in a new article, vladimir putin needs to watch his back. he joins us next. to lose weight? who said you can't do dinner? who said only this is good? and this is bad? i'm doing it my way. meet plenity. an fda -cleared clinically proven weight management aid for adults with a bmi of 25-40
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what the outcome vladimir putin's war on ukraine spells bad news for his regime. neither taking kyiv and declaring victory nor beginning peace negotiations will save the russian president from the serious, if not fatal, domestic repercussions of this war. vladimir putin has already taken extreme steps to hide the truth of what is happening in ukraine from the russian people. it is now illegal to call it a war in russia, or to call it an invasion. today, the new york times announced the suspending operations in russia due to the new russian laws making it illegal to accurately report the news there. the new york times never had to suspend operations in russia during even the worst of the cold war. and so, the russian people will not be hearing the u.s. intelligence estimate that up to 4000 russian soldiers have been killed in ukraine. we have aaron noting in his piece the russian national
tradition is unforgiving a military setbacks, virtually every major defeat has resulted in radical change. the current regime is uniquely vulnerable on this account. more than any other russian ruler, putin has made war, or the threat of war, the foundation of his popular support ... every day that ukraine holds out erodes putin's regime. joining us now is leon aron, a senior fellow and director of russian studies at the american enterprises. he is currently writing a book about vladimir putin. thank you very much for joining us tonight. the russian history as you point out in your piece of russian adventurism and imperialism gone bad has very bad results for russian leaders. what can vladimir putin expect as this continues? >> i think in the short term, we do not have the reliable -- i think in the short term there is going to be a rally around the flags. it always happens.
it happened in the war of georgia in 2008, the first invasion of ukraine in 2014, but then gradually i think even with the censorship that you pointed out, you could get up to 15 years now in jail for mentioning that this is a war, and not a special operation. the news is going too -- most importantly, this is a lesson of the soviet war in afghanistan, which was the longest russian war in history between 1979 and 2008, the zinc coffins with their fiancée's sons older brothers will start arriving. i don't know if they are going to be on their graves as it was during the soviet period in the war in afghanistan, but that is something that is going to undermine putin's regime very severely. remember, sometimes in 2012, on
the way to his third presidency, he realized that he can no longer secured the kind of economic causes that accounted for his economic popularity between 2000 and 2008. he retooled, and this is our problem now, he retooled, shifted the bases of his legitimacy and his popularity from being a creator of wealth and distributor of wealth to the defender of the -- and to a certain degree, a restore of the glory of the soviet superpower. both of those things are now under pretty big question. >> let's listen to what's lieutenant colonel dimitri mckayla bitch said in an interview that we broadcasted here last night, this was in ukraine, answering ukrainian reporters questions, he was captured by the ukrainians, said he was treated well, said that his colleagues were given medical care, and this is what
that he decided on this invasion. and, not only innocence he's destroying two countries now. not just one. >> and what is ian tradition in these situations, these people, these kinds of leaders seem all powerful and then suddenly they're not? well >>, we saw this with the change of regime after the defeat in the crimean war in the middle of the night 18th century. and we start in the defeat in the russo japanese war where russia essentially became a constitutional monarchy, and then we saw, of course, in world war i, essential leading
to the application of nicholas the second. ultimately, the bolsheviks revolution. let's not forget also that the ouster of khrushchev occurred two years after he retreated from cuba, after he remove the missiles from cuba. then, of course, the quagmire of afghanistan lead makeup gorbachev led to gorbachev's reforms that ultimately destroyed the soviet union. putin knows this is straight. that's another reason why i and a lot of others, and by the, way lots of ukraine, it's almost all of, them including president zelenskyy, but he would never undertake this absolutely insane operation. and of course, this makes it all the more dangerous. >> leon air, and thank you very much for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. and coming, up the leaders of the united states and the savannah union once agreed to make this joint statement. these words, nuclear war cannot be one and must never be
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miss never be fought. and now, vladimir putin seems to be threatening the use of nuclear weapons. our next guest, robin right, has been contributing steadily to the new yorkers authoritative coverage of vladimir putin's war in ukraine, where she reports that 90% of the world's nuclear arsenal is controlled by the united states and russia. today's nuclear weapons are more than ten times more powerful than the bombs that flattened hiroshima and nagasaki at the end of world war ii. since his war in ukraine has gone very badly, vladimir putin has more than once referred to his nuclear arsenal in a deliberately menacing way. today, the director of national intelligence said this in testimony to the house intelligence committee. >> his public statement about the special alert status which, by the, way is not a technical term as we understand it within their system, it doesn't relate
to a specific alert status within their system, was very unusual. we are watching very closely for movements, anything related to a strategic move and forces, and we are not seeing something at this stage that indicates that he is doing something different from what we've seen in the past. >> the belief in mutually assured destruction is why american presidents and russian leaders have always believed that nuclear war cannot be one. but what if mutually assured destruction is not the deterrent it once was in russia. it seems like something like that was being said on russian state television on sunday where robin right reports one commentator advancing a new paradigm which he described as, quote, the principal, why do we need a world if russia is not in it? don't try to frighten russia.
joining us now from, columnist for the new yorker and distinguished fellow at the u.s. institute of peace, and the woodrow wilson center. thank you very much for joining us tonight. what did you make of the assessment of letter mere putin, at the intelligence committee testimony today that we just heard, about even though he is talking about nuclear weapons in this way, his actions do not indicate any actual change. >> the big question, lawrence, was whether this was an epic bluff, whether it reflected rushes weakness rather than its strength. but the challenge for putin right now is that he is not doing well in ukraine and, if he is going to try to seize the country, the dangerous he is going to try things that are unconventional, unexpected as his invasion was. the world has been much safer over the last 30 years as a number of nuclear weapons
declined by 80%. the problem is that russia today has more nuclear weapons than any other country. 6000 of them, of the 13,000 on earth. controlled by nine different countries. given that putin has been irrational, there's a lot of discussion in washington about whatever? whatever the kind of thing we never thought was imaginable again because of mutual deterrence, actually could be on the table again. so that's put the subject of the bomb back into the kind of lexicon, the dialogue, the debate, about securing, not only america's security, but securing the position of the west against a man who has defied the world in terms of his aggression. >> it's scenes, but leaves president biden as the first president possibly since president kennedy who has to now seriously consider the
possibility of some kind of nuclear -- some kind of nuclear possibility with russia. and i say president kennedy because, after the cuban missile crisis where there was a successful outcome, and that outcome was based on the mutual belief in mutually assured destruction. it seemed that, it felt like, from the outside, that the lesson was learned and the leaders of each country knew they could never let it come that close again. >> absolutely. and i think that's what has kind of electrified the foreign policy debate about where is russia headed, wet minded try. now, the biden administration has responded very coolly to this. it's not taken rushes bait. officials have come out and said that the united states very comfortable and very secure in its nuclear posture. and i think it's lowered some of the temperature and the kind of early hysteria about would
might russia do. the fact is, this is back on the table, and the time that the nuclear order in general around the world is in the words of the arms castro association, and chaos, you have many of the arms control treaties that will have either been abandoned or two thirds. you have china in what the intelligence community estimates to be in a race to get up to 1000 nuclear bombs by the year 2030. india and pack and stun are in an arms race, there in the precipice of weather knowing whether iran will move on the program. so there's a lot of concern, not just about russia and what putin are threatening or what kind of alarm bells they are bringing, it's really about the issue of nuclear arms in general. which, not a lot of americans
are paid attention to because -- that there would be no challenge, that we had this under control. >> robert right, thank you very much for joining us tonight. you've delivered so many important pieces on this war that i want to talk to you about each one of them, including your analysis of sanctions. i would like to have you combat us so as you can to discuss that. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> thank. you and coming, up we will go back to ukraine for a live report from reporter who has been there for months before the war began. that is next. thats inext eakage worries? we invited mahault to see for herself that dove breakage remedy gives damaged hair the strength it needs. even with repeated combing hair treated with dove shows 97% less breakage. strong hair with new dove breakage remedy. number one beauty brand not tested on animals. (driver 1) it's all you. strong(driver 2) new dove bno, i insist.y. (driver 1) it's your turn. (driver 2) nope, i think it's your turn. (driver 1) i appreciate you so much, thank you so much... go. (driver 2) i appreciate your appreciation. it fills me.
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also moving in stealing food gas or other supplies, occupying whatever is left of it. joining us now is christopher miller. buzzfeed news correspondent. he joins us from outside kyiv where he has been four months. christopher, what have you been seeing today, what's the situation there now? >> the situation is really grim, lawrence. for the last few days i have been in kyiv and and some of the surrounding towns, including the town of irpin today, which has been hounded by russian artillery and airstrikes for several days. as you can see and some of the photographs that you are showing now, there is just incredible destruction, devastation, this is a really quiet veteran community northwest of the capital of kyiv. people here felt very, very far away from the conflict in eastern ukraine that has raged for eight years.
nobody that i spoke with thought that were whatever come to their door. and now it has. and not only thought, it is completely flattened residential blocks. today, missiles struck a hospital in the town. what i saw at the exit, and entrance of the city was a bridge that had been destroyed by the ukrainian army in order to stop the russian advance on kyiv. residents fleeing over the rubble of that bill on a bridge. i am trying to reach safety after more than a week and a half of mostly living without power, without water, without gas, without a lot of food while living in basements, huddled down and just trying to stay alive while the russian military bombarded them with all sorts of really horrific wreck weaponry. >> i want to listen to something that captured russian
lieutenant colonel dmitry mikhailovich, what he said in interviews there which you may have seen on ukrainian tv. let's listen to this. he said russia will not be the winner here, and that russia might be able to take territory, but it will not be able to win over the people. what is your reaction to that? >> he is absolutely right. in my past weeks of reporting on this and reporting not only during the war, but in the run up to, it there has been -- actually over the last many
years since vladimir putin launched his were originally, and 2014, a growing sentiment of, as ukrainians, we are completely separate country, an independent country of russia. we want to be with the west. we do not want to be tied to moscow. ukrainians have, over many years, moved further and further from vladimir putin's received sphere of influence. in the last several days now, there are ukrainians who said if some of us believe that russia and ukraine were a brotherly nation, as president putin likes to call them, then after being completely pummeled and devastated by rockets over the last several days, after killing our children, killing our families, tearing us apart, forcing now 2 million people to flee the country, there is no way that these two countries can exist and have a brotherly matter as long as this is happening.
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