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republicans need to do is find a horse to find a good candidate. that said finding a horse in a party right now divided by tea part zealots and regular republicans mit be as hard as getting the jobless rate down. anyway, i think i'm defined the competition. that's "hardball for now. countdown with keith olbermann starting right now f. to the pentagon, why 11 weeks later is the defense department still getting most of its fuel and petroleum, $980 million a year worth from bp? the newest victims.
tar balls north of new orleans, and in texas. >> i want to assure texans that we're taking aggressive steps to address this situation and to mitigate any effects to our beaches. >> we're going to succeed again? the justice department files arizona sb-1070 federal authority on illegal immigration. the gop holds a race for the fastest knee jerk. sacred cow in a time when the most liberal economists and most conservative fringers believe in reviewing every penny spept. true congressman from opposite end of the spectrum say cut the defense budget. our special guest is congressman barney frank. sharon shutters her website. her words for the primary so off the wall they doesn't want them seen during the election. when harary rooetd's campaign resurrects those words, angle threatens to sue.
the worst worst in months. >> he wouldn't have been voted president if he weren't black. somebody asked me -- i have to remember over the weekend judge does somebody a lot of money because he's black. >> who was the black person limbaugh thinks was made wealthy and big and famous and so forth only because they were black? you will not believe it. all the news and commentary now on "countdown." >> what kind of idiot am i? good evening from new york. first the news of tar balls in texas meant it was unanimous. every gulf coast state has been stained by the bp disaster. on our fifth something for ominous still for the immediate fact and the long-term implications. the city of new orleans is tonight surrounded by oil, even though it's 100 miles inland. the crude reached into louisiana's lake pontchartrain. officials say they have pulls more than 1600 tar balls from
the water so far. winds from hurricane alex being blamed for pushing the crude to lake pontchartrain. the area having been fortunate that strong winds have been largely absent this summer until now. to the west as we mentioned mortar balls washing up in texas for a second consecutive days. those winds are hampering the cleanup efforts causing rough sea making it difficult to skim the water's surface. a company in canada had a novel solution like this one long ago. dehydrat dehydrated peat moss. my kroebs inside the moss break down the oil as well. toronto's newspaper reported that a company in edmonton sells peat moss for this purpose around the world. why isn't bp using this peat moss to soak up part of the spill? the owner told that newspaper bh
has informed him it cannot use it it because the oil giant would not then be able to retrieve the oil afterwards. you may translate that as, the oil giant would not be able to sell the oil afterwards. bp and it's co-conspirators gaining from previously unreported tax benefits. it's allowed to write off the rent it paid for trans ocean that owned deep water horizon in order to lease the oil rig. that saves bp hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. transocean having fled first to the cayman islands and switzerland to lower its corporate tax bill by almost 15%. the center for american progress counting nine different subsidies that the u.s. government gives including refunds for drilling costs and refunds for searching for oil. subsidies make up 88% of all federal subsidies, just cutting the oil and gass subsidies out would save the u.s. government $45 billion every year.
from the outrageous to the absurd, it proved today that during the 1970s bp put its name on a board game called offshore oil strike about the thrills of drilling. rediscovered by the uk metro newspaper, the game clearly never rivalled monopoly, but the parallels between it and the current disaster nothing if not eerie. the rules are this according to boardgamegeek.com. two to four players compete in the north sea exploring for oil, building platforms and laying pipelines to bring offshore oil back to the player's home company. first player to make 120 million wins, but they have to avoid dreaded hazard cards which read blow out, rig damaged, oil slick clean upcost, pay $1 million. how quaint. time to call in oil and gas industry veteran bob cavnar. thanks for your time again tonight.
>> good evening, keith. thanks have for me. >> if the levees broke in new orleans following another storm or they were to break for something lesser because, once again, they've been filled in some cases by copies of the times picayune newspaper, this time the city would be flooded with an oily toxic mess rather than just water? >> there's a real possibility of that, keith. when the oil reached lake pontchartrain this weekend, it really showed that the booming techniques they've used just simply don't work on anything beyond millpond level water. so they've got a real problem if they have a storm come across into new orleans. >> we know that hurricane alex is only the start of the at lanetic season. it's not impactful oft united states to push the i'll from lake pontchartrain. are there any limits to what a real quote-unquote hurricane could do with the spillage from
deep water horizon relative to the rest of the gulf coast? >> right now, keith, that is my serious concern. you know, right now we can't buy a break. the three sub tropical or tropical depressions that have been in the atlantic this year have all been in the gulf, and there's one over the yucatan now that has an average chance of becoming a hurricane. the forecast track is farther north. even if it doesn't come close to where the operation is, the wave action really shuts the operation down and makes skimming virtually impossible. >> i mentioned at the start of the show there was apparently a month before the rig blew there was an estimate provided by bp that it could skim and recover up to 491,000 a day from the surface. we're now at 78. obviously, that prediction was bizarrely wrong. is 78 days adequate time to have
contained oil, even if it wasn't 500,000 a day, so it didn't get to texas and new orleans? how much that attributable to planning or failing to plan for the disaster and bp's failing in the days since? >> it's 100% due to lack of planning. remember, keith, in the deep water there was never going to be a spill. there was never going to be a blowout. there was no accommodation made for that eventualities. so all of the technology, all of the skimming, all of the equipment that they have designed is 30 years old and never intended for this kind of use. it's all bad planning. >> bob, the peat moss story they were told by bp, this company, this edmonton company, they couldn't do this because they couldn't essentially reclaim the oil, therefore, resell it, do you buy that? does that sound logical to you, that that would be a major corporation's response to something that might help a little bit in the middle of a
disaster in which the company's reputation is sliding away along with every eco-logical we need to preserve in the gulf? >> you know, since they're burning off about 8,000 or 9 thousand to you barrels a day on the q-4000 offshore, i'm not sure the lack of recovery and the peat moss thing was the issue, but clearly the peat moss does work close to shore and level water. i think it was more bp just dismissing every evidence but their own. it's not in my own backyard kind of thing. it's not invented here, so they just rejected most all of the ideas. virtually 99% of the ideas have been rejected by bp to clean this out. >> fortunately they had planned for it. that's right, they had none whatsoever. as always, bob, great thanks. >> thanks for having me, keith. a little more on the tack breaks. eric bates is at the news desk
with me. thanks for coming in tonight. 45 billion annually and it goes to the industry the most profitable of all industries. if the government changes anything in the wake of this, would, in fact, the most useful thing for society changing this and then addressing some of the eco-logical problem science. >> it might be one of the most useful thing, if one of the least likely things they will do. in the middle of depression the oil industry is one of the few areas of the economy doing well. they want to keep that going. they make a lot of money off the leases and they want to keep that coming in. that's the argument that they made to appeals court, it it told them that the bush rules were ridiculous. they said we have to use those rules because we need the money. >> the peat moss story, if it could be impactful in any way, even with the stable water, which you could throw some in lake pontchartrain right now and help that situation to some degree, why is the government not telling bp to do it and simply doing it and sending bp the bill and using the peat moss
as any one of the hundreds of ush useful ideas. >> the federal government is in charge of the cleanup. so it's the government's responsibility to go in, but from the start, they weren't making sure that the company and the industry had enough resources at hand to handle this -- any kind of spill that happened let alone this catastroph catastrophic. >> based on what you reported, to what degree is the federal government complicit in the failures of bp by inadequately supervising them before and in the eight weeks since. >> it's more than complicit. it couldn't have happened without the federal government. bush broke the system. obama knew it was broken and said it was broken and failed to fix it. the government is responsible for making sure this stuff was policed and the resources were in place, and it did neither of those things. it did the opposite. it approved leases at a record pace. in salazar's first year 53 million acres were put up for bid in the gulf.
>> false equivalent sees abound in a disaster like this. we've heard questions why it's so easy for the president. on the other hand, reporting done by your magazine turns stanley mcchrystal's career around and possibly affected what will happen in afghanistan and all took place in a span of a week. is there any explanation for why this event, as it has unfolded for nearly 80 days, has not had any impact on a cabinet secretary whose job it is to prevent things like this from happening or to mitigate them as best as humanly possible if they do happen? >> it raises the question of how much you have too screw up to get fired. it's worth noting in the mcchrystal firing the reason given wasn't because of the job he was doing or the policy. the policy was kept in place. that's the real question whether salazar goes or not, are you going to clean this up and someone with the moral clarity to initiate top-to-bottom
reforms. that's what's needed. >> if a change was made. what limited effective parts of response would grind to a halt if ken salazar was thrown out on his ass tomorrow? >> i don't think salazar is that involved in overseaing the response. i'm not sure it would make a difference. it's a question of politics. obama came into office running against the drill baby drill crowd. salazar appeases that crowd because he's a big proponent of drilling. >> eric bates, thanks for coming in. the other shoe drops in arizona today. the justice department sues the state claiming its show us your papers lack usurps federal authority. that's next. when you want a bank that travels with you. with you when you're ready for the next move. [ male announcer ] now that wells fargo and wachovia have come together, what's in it for you? unprecedented strength, the stability of the leading community bank in the nation
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vigilantes and a whout extremists. in our fourth story somebody has to defend it with fact and against testimony from some of the state's own law enforcers. the justice department filed a lawsuit to stop the law claiming it's unconstitutional. today the justice department said arizona a sb-1070 usurps federal authority. the lawsuit seeks a preliminary injunction to stop the law from taking effect on the 29th of this month. today's filing also included declarations from arizona law enforcement saying sb-1070 will hamper the ability to police local communities. the attorney general acknowledged the problem facing arizona, but adding seeking to address the issue through a patchwork of state laws will only create more problems than it solves. gop denuns yagss are swipt, universal and cliched. from arizona's governor.
as a direct result of failed and inconsistent federal enforcement, arizona is under attack from violent mexican drug and immigrant smuggling cartels. now arizona is under attack in federal court from president obama and his department of justice. two republican senators from that state, john mccain and jon kyl. the american people must wonder whether the obama administration is going to secure the border. mitch mcconnell says suing the people of arizona for attempting to do a job that the federal government has failed to constitute will not protect our borders. states have a right and responsibility to ensure order and safety of their citizens, especially when the federal government is asleep at the wheel. let's turn now to news week magazine senior correspondent howard fineman. good evening. >> orange people have rights, too. >> i agree with you on that, even if mr. boehner does not.
separating the right and wrong. whatever the outcome of the suit, did the administration say to the gop, here you take the first shot at us. here's the political gun? >> yeah, sure. they knew that was going to happen. it was cliched. this comes out of the republican playbook going back decades is not generations at this point. the keyword in all of the statements was the word "secure." the republican argument for generations has been that the the democrats are weak on defense in one way or another, and they're going to try to cram this into that rubrik and that's what they did tonight. i had a long interview with senator lindsey graham who was a leading right of immigration reform. he was one of 11 republicans in 2006 voted for the mccain/kennedy reform bill. lindsey graham said to me in the interview i had, no way. this border needs to be secured first. that's what we have to do, secure, secure, secure. that gives you an idea where things are headed.
>> would the best political argument against this law be to let it to be enforced, and would the worst argument against it have it stayed by a court during a midterm election period? >> politically that's right. if you read the arizona law, which i have and studied it, if they were to enforce that to the letter, the scene would be somewhere between the keystone cops and the world war ii internment of the japanese. they would be arresting people right and left and stopping everybody at traffic lights and overloading the federal system because they would be transporting the people that they captured to federal authorities. of course, that's the entire intent of this. it's sort of like the political or legislative equivalent of a work-to-rule work stoppage kind of thing. try to clog up the system on purpose. it would create mayhem, and the sight would be damaging to the republicans on tv and to that
cause. conversely, if the order is stayed by a federal judge, and i don't think we know who that federal judge is yet, that person is being picked right now, especially with the government of mexico filing a friend with a court brief, which is going to be heard in court, that will just more fodder for the republicans. >> beyond this initial about this and the knee-jerk raeks, do the democrats have ways to reframe the issue so they're not flooded with words like amnesty and not protecting the borders and you use the "secure" word? >> i think it's difficult, but the best defense might be a good offense here. good offense might be the best defense. i think if the republicans are going to insist on framing this as a national security issue daib by the way, what the filing by the government says is we have to prioritize our national security issues, the republicans are fine. you want to spend $100 billion building a gigantic
state-of-the-art fence and send troops to the border and want to secure that border, it will cost $100 billion, you tell me republicans where you're going to take that out of the defense budget. take it out of afghanistan, take it out of iraq. if you want to spend it, fine. i think the president could call their bluff that way. >> why doesn't he do that? why isn't there another request for time later in this week? >> i don't know. but i think that's the way you got to do at them, it seems to me. you have to play their game better than they do. >> what does the president have in mind? do you have any idea? >> to get some grand compromise somewhat to the right of where the mccain/kennedy bill was. the schumer bill that they're working off, the chuck schumer bill is really much, you know, more to the conservatives' liking than the one of a few years ago. it's the conserve difs like lindsey graham and the others refuse to play ball. it's very difficult for the
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vance. would graduates of beck u be considered lonesome road scholars. very nice. who said anything about anybody graduating? to coney island, new york. the hot dog eating contest, joey chestnut consumed 54 in ten minutes. this year's scene-stealer was six-time champ kobayashi who watched from the sidelines along with fans with free kobe t-sh t t-shir t-shirts. after the contest he tried to force his way on the stage and was stopped by security. the hot dog police along with the ny police. he was charged with trespassing and resisting arrest but he was released from jail today saying he was hungry. that's right, american society has sunk to this. brawls during exhibition of
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over the next ten years by cutting military spending. that's right. texas congressman and military veteran ron paul wants to cut pentagon spending. his progressive partner joins you us presently. more than all the other discretionary spending combined. if you subtract the wars in afghanistan and iraq it accounts for 42% of spending. the u.s. spending more on military spending than during the cold war. it spends more than russia, china, all the middle east and all of nato and the rest of europe combined. a navy that can carry twice as many aircraft at sea as everyone else in the world combined. 57 nuclear submarines, more than the rest of the world combined. with 460 military installations around the globe in 38 countries not including iraq and afghanistan. defense secretary gates has called for cutting 100 billion
asking congress not to include hundreds of millions for more c-17 jets and for an alternate backup engine. even getting president obama threatening to veto if the funding is the defense bill. nor is ron paul the only tea partiers to extend the the benefits. any tea partier who says something else lacks integrity. cue sarah palin. the tea party blogger posting on facebook last week, this administration may be willing to cut defense spending but it's increasing it every where else. we should do it the other way rornd, cut spending in other departments apart from the defense. they aided and abetted by saber rattles here and abroad. united air rack emirates ambassador to the u.s. today calling on the u.s. to launch a third war against iran because or else the united arab emirates
will move towarded iran. >> do you want the united states to stop the iranian nuclear program by force? >> absolutely. absolutely. think are at risk of an iranian nuclear program far more than you are at risk. uae is the most vulnerable to iran. there are many countries in the region who if they lack of assurance that the u.s. is willing to confront iran, they will start running for cover towards iran. >> as promised we're joined by ron paul's unlikely cohort in this effort, democratic congressman barney frank of massachusetts. thanks for your time tonight. >> thank you, keith, for a thoughtful introduction. >> did you figure out a way to cut military spending with sarah palin and the united arab emirates saber rattling? >> i would suggest to the united arab emanates, they would rent some of the budget. this is the epitome of the issue.
very wealthy nations want us to fight their battles for them. i want to deal with iran, but this notion that everybody in the world cuts their military spending, has no military budget at all and hide behind us is crazy. if you ask the american people what's unpopular in the budget, foreign aid always comes up high. the fact is is that foreign aid of the kind that helps poor children or fights aids in afriafter rick ka, that's not much money. the most expensive is the aid we give england, denmark and italy and japan by allowing them to have a military budget that's small because they hide behind us. the time has come -- let me put it this way. the most popular book in europe and wealthy parts of asia is "tom sawer." it's time to stop painting the fence. >> do you think congressman paul has given progressives nuch political cover that the president might include cuts or work this into his commission on spending? >> i'm not sure the president
will. it's one area where i've been disappointed in the president. i think he gets intimidated by this notion that you look weak on defense. i want to fight terrorism, but those nuclear carriers you talked about which are extremely expensive don't stop terrorists. nuclear submarines don't fight terrorists. this money diverts resources from a focused effort to fighting terrorism, but here's what i think changes it, keith. we're in a situation now where the deficit has to be cut. everybody understands that. if we don't put military on the table, the extent to which we defend western europe, i have no idea what we defend them against. if they were scared, they could spend their own money. we have 15,000 marines on o okinawa. forget about environmental protection and waste superfund sites and better health care. as you pointed out, if you don't cut the military, deficit
reduction is coming. everything else gets but chcher. in addition to ron paul i have a conservative republican in north carolina and the kato institute is part of the task force we put together. i think americans are going to understand either we allow the european allies to have defense budgets that are half of ours in percentage terms for their gross domestic product, or we may savage cuts in our own programs or tax increases. taxes can go up some, but they can go up too high. finally my colleagues are forced to make the choice. >> mr. jones is the originator of the freedom fries during the run-up to the iraq war. let me ask you the obligatory not in my own backyard devil's advocate question. it's your backyard and my backyard, too. secretary gates told congress
don't fund a backup engine for an f-35. it's not needed. the engine is made by a parent company of network i work for, ge, brings jobs to massachusetts and you support it. if you can't cut local military spending, how can the nation cut national military spending? >> two things. first of all, i am for cutting -- it becomes easier politically, but also we don't get any jobs for marines in okinawa and bases all over the world. secondly i said about the f-35, i would vote to cut the whole program. i have a twofold approach to military spending. i voted to cut the f-22. >> once the decision is to build it, then i'm obligated to support some of it in my area. i would vote tomorrow to cut out the whole f-35 program. it's not necessary and doesn't advance the security. >> it would be easier to do that with a comprehensive cutting of the entire budget. >> if you do this weapon by
weapon, you lose. we can't concede to the defense establishment the need for america to be everywhere and protect everybody. once you concede that you fight a losing battle. let's protect our national security interests and be available for the few democratic allies that are menaced. that doesn't involve most of the our spending and most of our military bases. we have military bases, and jones makes his point. hundreds of bases in 38 countries that do not in most of that cases advance american security. of course, you and i both agree we have not only wasted a trillion dollars in iraq, but damaged america in the process. so we paid a trillion dollars to lose american lives and damage our ability to influence the world in a constructive way. >> well put in the issue of foreign military aid. congressman barney frank from massachusetts. it's a pleasure, sir. thanks for your time. >> thank you, keith. >> sharon engel compares himself to a former american political figure and it's not sue loudon and she threatens suit to keep
her words from the primary being readable from the election. limbaugh said the president would not be elected had he not been black, and goes a step further, possibly off a cliff. rachel is live from afghanistan. she'll discuss whether the plan is working with the general on the ground trying to implement it. at offer on an all new cadillac srx luxury collection crossover. with a bose premium sound system and an ultraview sunroof... designed to let more summertime in. summer brings out the best in all of us, so now's the perfect time to get behind the wheel of a new cadillac. hurry in for great lease or purchase offers on an all new srx during cadillac's "summer's best" sales event, going on now at your cadillac dealer. ♪
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everybody and won this nomination. >> that's right. >> this opportunity to run against the beast, harry reid. >> it's like abraham lincoln, he lost quite a few, but he won the big one. he won the one that mattered for this country, and really that's what we're in. >> do you think you're too -- >> oh, now you're lincoln? i'm going to doubt you're sue loudon. do you know how many elections he lost in his lifestyle? the illinois state assembly in 1832. 7 of 8 he won. sharon, you're no abraham lincoln. ♪
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lonesome roads does not like what will bunch said about his new university. he called him out by name today. first his assertion is he gives them what they want, cash. they never have a problem stating to you i'm a businessman. i'm not doing this for my health. believe me. there's other thing i can do that would be healthier than that. show me exactly where our health care is in the constitution. show it to me. where is it? i guess medicare and medicaid are unconstitutional, glenny. seniors, beck came out against medicare and medicaid. since it's not in the constitution, social security, too. our runner-up is congressman steve king of iowa. not many republicans went this far down the rabbit hole like mr. king about the gulf disaster. as i watch the relux tans on the part of the white house with bobby jindal, but there's a political component.
to delay these skimmers all the time and refuse to waive the jones act. he believes it refers to brown's serve sausages. it's a law that all good ships be carried by american ships from the port, but it only aplis inside the three-mile limit. the deep water horizon spill is 52 milesoff shore. they don't need to waive the jones act because it doesn't apply. as of june 15th the coast guard reported there were 15 foreign ships helping with the cleanup in the gulf. an independent report counted 24 of them from nine different countries. congressman king is making this crap up. as usual. there's tonight's hands down winner, boss limbaugh. these quotes speak for themselves and for a diseased and failing mind. if obama weren't black he'd be a tour guide in hohn lu you or teaching saul alinski constitutional law or lecturing on it in chicago said the college dropout, rush limbaugh. he wouldn't have been voted president if he weren't black.
somebody asked me over the -- oh, need to remember. somebody asked me over the weekend why does somebody earn a lot of money, and i said it's because he's black. it, limbaugh, said was oprah. the guy doesn't have half oprah winfrey's talent or income. no, it can't be? yes it is. there's a lot of guilt out there. to show we're not racist we'll make this person wealthy and big and famous and so forth. there it is. the united states is tilted in favor of black people. that's the premise. we have made it so easy that human beings inferior to the great rush limbaugh, the fired by espn one month into his dream job, inferior creatures like obama and oprah have been made wealthy and big and famous and so forth. they have not earned it. they aren't talented and haven't done the job. oprah winfrey and barack obama
and every other black person in this country has not succeeded despite the fact they're black. this country is still filled with racists like limbaugh. they've succeeded because they're black, and only because they're black. well, you heard it. it's naked, ugly racism. it's rush limbaugh's view of our country. the only other thing i can say is, oprah, please, crush this schmuck, huh? rush limbaugh is today's worst person in the world. of your 5 daily servings. it's a tasty, nutritious way to make this number go up... and help this one go down. v8. what's your number?
opponent as it was held in the primary. sharon, just like abraham lincoln, threatening to sue for the right to lie. she reinvented the website. gone are the platforms about abolishing the department of education, privatizing social security and sharon engel 2.0 telling voters that education decisions are best made at the local level by parents and teachers. government should keep the promise of social security and with respect to offshore drilling enforce the rules and regulations on the books. senator reed's campaign republic lished the website. she sent a cease and diagnosis letter accusing it of misappropriating copyright materials. for a time senator reid's took down the website and started to reroute visitors to a different one named sharon's underground bunker and put the real website
back up. they report that the national republican senatorial committee says her upgrade is normal. many campaigns revamp and relaunch and enhance websites over the course of the election season, and her positions have not changed. tell that to shaern, admitting to supporters bill manders in the same sper view that she's, quote, softened positions because, quote, i'm being held accountable for every idle word as you know. over in kentucky rand paul having to explain a few contradictionary positions. mr. paul previously against building a fence along the u.s./mexico border. his website recently said he was for it, an underground electric fence with helicopters and flying par rots. confuse ensued forcing mr. paul's spokesperson to clarify. i made up the stuff about the
parrots. now he supports electronic and above ground, and that's a stupid word thafsz put in for whoever is writing for our website. bus and website missed. time to call on washington editor for the nation chris hayes. good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> long sleeved shirt i see. >> i didn't have time to -- i didn't think i was big-time enough to rock that the way from congressman from massachusetts did. >> try it out. the angle engel first. this is heavy stuff. i don't want to pound a cliche into the ground. but it's to threaten to sue to keep your old quotes off the sp internet? >> it's stupid. you don't want to put press attention on what the old positions are. by initiating a story that's going to motivate a whole another news cycle or two or three depending on how the reid camp responds, you ensure everyone is talking about it. i don't know if it's stubbornness or a rookie amateur
move, but it's not good politics. >> there is a sort of naive take running through her on the big-time stage, and the other quote about every -- every random word -- >> every idle word. >> you're running for office. idle words are what you say you're going to do, aren't they? >> right. i thought that quote was so interesting, because she was looking, i've been saying totally crazy, impractical, extreme things for a long time and no one noticed. all of a sudden now people take them seriously because i might be in the united states senate. it's so weird. that's the whole point that these candidates have faced from the beginning. i mean engel and paul and other tea party candidates who entered the lime light. it's okay to have extreme positions. there are some extreme positions that make sense, but they are going to rub up against an electorate that is not inclined to partake in them. most people don't agree with say phasing out social security.
she either sticks to that position or renounces it. she can't have it both ways. >> time and again the gop establishment is put in a position to defend a tea party candidate that crosses over. the nrc had to do it with engel and huffington post says it's baffled by the rand paul fence proposal. paul is in a dead heat in kentucky against kon way. how is that possible? it's all msnbc's fault that he got a bum rap i was told. >> this is exactly the issue. rand paul have views really out there. approximate if the electorate, even the kentucky electorate which is conservative, are exposed to them, they're going to recoil. the strategic minds understand that. they understand that they're cultivating people who come from really, really extreme idea logical places and trying to make them into mainstream candidates. for this patina of
reasonableness that hung around the tea party for the first six months, that scrubbed that away. people understand that the tea party movement is a very idea logically extreme and zealous movement. >> you use the phrase strategic mind and dick army in the same sentence. the 2,212th day since president bush declared victory in the afghanistan. i'm keith olbermann. good night and good luck. now with the goods from the scene is the counterinsurgency strategy working in southern afghanistan? ladies and gentlemen, here is rachel maddow live and direct from kabul. good evening. >> good evening. thank you so much. good morning. as you can tell from how pretty look and the departure from the usual set we're live at camp phoenix for tonight's show.