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work in that case. what else? >> oscar, forget t-shirt time. how about neck tie time? what kind after journalist are you? >> because of the hour we get up, they took away neck ties and shoelaces and belts all kinds of things from me. they were worried about me. what am i doing because i'm up at this hour. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ in washington, as you know, we talk a lot on this program about how congress can be somewhat short sided or ignorant or fedded pool of corruption and stupidity located at the intersection of entitlement avenue and object our duty lane. i'm sorry. what are we talking about again? congress. >> welcome to "morning joe." happy friday!
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we have mike barnicle here in new york and chrystia freeland and willie geist. norah o'donnell in washington, d.c., i'm just happy. i didn't have to wake up today at 1:30 in the morning! >> this is like the middle of the day for you. >> seriously! >> this is lunch time! come on! >> fall into work before 6:00. my terrible life. this morning, i'm like, yea! i'm not on the west coast! it's bad news when you wake up and you're walking out the hotel door to get into the car to go to work and you got people streaming in, still going to the nightclub. >> yeah, people coming in past you saying, let's have an after-dinner drink and you're going to work at 1:00. >> i was walking down the hotel room and some russian shouted good night! i-like good morning! good morning, willie geist!
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>> good morning, joe. look at front of that paper right there. where is that one? >> as i always say, not good at math because i went to alabama but you don't have to be. you have to count to number one, baby. preseason number one! alabama crimson tide. >> where is your foam finger? >> i got to get it! anyway, can i just say, i'm just excited. we always have all of these great guests. sebastian younger is on today for 30 minutes and i saw an amazing book war last night and amazing movie. first, let's go to norah o'donnell in washington, d.c. who has the news. norah, we have a new supreme court justice. >> we do. happy friday to you, joe and everybody up there. elena kagan will forecast the fourth woman ever to serve on supreme court after confirmed by the senate in 63-37 vote
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yesterday. five republicans and two independents joined all but one democrat in approving the former dean of harvard law school. republican senator scott brown who hails from elena kagan's adoptive home state of massachusetts citing no citing her lack of judicial experience. others opposed her because of her stance on social issues including support for gun control measures and abortion rights. the votes kagan received were fewer enprosecutes obama's first nominee soto sewn sew towmayor. and the president toued touted it as progress for our country. >> it was also an afirmgs of her open mindedness and even handedness and determination to hear all sides of every story and consider all possible arguments. i am proud also of the history we're making with her appointment. for nearly two centuries there
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wasn't a single woman on our nation's highest court. when elena takes her seat on that bench for the first time in our history, there will be three women. >> kagan officially joins the bench when she is sworn in tomorrow afternoon by chief justice john roberts and her addition will mark the first time three women serve together on the nine-men supreme court. so, joe, almost there. >> what? what do you mean? what? has to be 5-4 women? >> absolutely! nine. >> i'm with norah there. nine. >> i always thought -- >> and the chief. you need a female chief. >> you only need one guy on the court to get coffee. you have eight women, one man. you got to be able -- believe me, if you got eight women there, the men want to be out of the room getting coffee. >> oh! even the president was happy to
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be on "the view." sometimes it's sometimes nice for guys. >> you need to get coffee and to parallel park the supreme court bus. >> just stop it! stop it! just stop it! what wrong with you? i'm glad katrina is not here. >> yes! i'm going to throw things at you! >> norah, you're exactly right. i know a couple of years ago. i was always stunned that this court that oversaw sexual harassment or sexual discrimination cases had nine justices and only one woman and i kept saying what is wrong with this picture? the president is right. even though it's not where it should be, maybe 5-4, we've come a long way in a couple of years where now we have three women out of nine as opposed to one out of nine. >> no doubt.
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justice ginsburg said it was lonely up there and the case has been made that having a woman on a court could bring unique issues whether it's issues of work and family or health discrimination or whatever it may be. pregnancy is still considered a disability in this country. the whole list of things you can sort of talk about, not that that is addressed by supreme court. i think this is significant. because obama now has already had just in his first two years in office two appointments to the supreme court. that's as many as bush had, i believe as many as president clinton. obama still has two years left on his first term and if he gets reelected that could mean he has a huge imfrint imprint on this court. >> no doubt about it. i'm surprised by a vote and norah highlighted it. scott brown who -- i think scott brown has navigated the waters masterfully. he has ignored the extreme right at times when they were calling him a traitor. he has voted for things i maybe
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not would have voted for if i was in the senate if i wanted to be in line with the people who put me in there i would do. i'm surprised he voted against kagan and i'm surprised because republicans, until recently, always deferred to the president. that is sort of the old traditional conservative thing to do is even though democrats don't do it, defer to the president on these picks and scott brown didn't do that. i'm surprised. >> he has to be under enormous pressure from his own party within the senate. he has to be under enormous pressure from the conservative wing of his party. not exactly well represented in massachusetts. the surprising aspect of it, joe, is senator collins and senator snowe from maine, two republicans, they voted for her. but i think probably what senator brown is banking on is that the state of the economy has ruptured so badly in massachusetts and the state itself has such huge fiscal problems, he is probably figuring in terms of, you know,
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voters' interest and voters' priorities, the vote in supreme court is well down the toteum pole. >> he just does it for his pals in washington? >> not that they don't care. not that they don't care but they care far more about, you know, their paycheck and the status of industrial manufacturing and attracting new industry in a state -- >> that is not a 30-second vote at the end? a vote on taxes? >> no. >> i guarantee you that is for scott brown this fall when they talk about repealing the bush tax cuts. that is going to be a fascinating vote for scout brown. and a lot of the conservative democrats. >> from the outside watching these hearings, every time we do it, it looks more and more like a charade. we put somebody up, the president nominates somebody, we know now that republicans will vote against her. democrats will vote for her. we will have this sort of show hearing where, you know, everybody kind of gets some things off their chest but it's
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all very predictable. we know where it's going from the beginning. >> it's predictable and it's sad. elena kagan, herself, we know norah wrote a paper about how predictable and sad these hearings have become back when i guess perhaps when she was in law school. and, yet, there she was having to play it safe because it's turned into a circus. >> no doubt. and, remember, the sonia sotomayor latino, one little thing that blew up into a huge issue because people were searching for something to gin up some controversy. you're right. but look. the president has a choice when it comes to a supreme court noom knee and if they can pass the test, if they are clean up enough, nothing in their background. quite frankly, it was surprising with elena kagan. she was the first nominee of the e-mail era and first one with e-mails from the clinton administration. joe, there was a bit of
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controversy because of the way that some of the decorum yesterday in the senate. you want me to talk about that? >> i love that. sounds like a jon stewart clip. let's hear it. >> yeah. well, minnesota senator al franken, okay? he apologized for being rude to senator mitch mcconnell nell yesterday. mcconnell was explaining his opposition to elena kagan's opposition and a republican aide said franken started making gestures and were whispering under his breath while mcconnell was speaking. apparently, it was very distracting. i wonder if some thought it was funny or not. mcconnell went up to the former comedian afterwards and said, "this isn't "saturday night live," al." apparently mcconnell wasn't there when franken went personally to apologize. he issued a statement saying mcconnell was entitled to give
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his speech with the presiding officer just listening respectfully. that is pretty stunny, joe, isn't it? i don't know the whole story. >> you wouldn't, if you were presiding over the senate, you would not want to make faces as the leader of the other party gave his closing argument against a united states supreme court justice. that being said, willie, i'm sorry. maybe it's because i've had to apologize so many times in my life. in fact, i had to apologize i was in such a bad mood yesterday on the show. he apologized. made a mistake. we can say it's a stupid thing to do. i think he's a man to walk over, apologize in person, then write a note. i'm sure mitch -- >> i want to see the tape of what a theatrical gesture is. he knew what he was doing back there. >> did i wonder if he say -- did he say on the senate floor this
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isn't "saturday night live,"? >> he went up to him afterward. not on a microphone. he went up to him privately. you do have to point out, though, that franken has avoided this kind of thing. remember when he was elect, we're throwing a comedian into the senate. he has laid low and been beneath the radar for the most part. >> i know when he went in we all said he needs to keep his head down. mike, he's had a couple of outbursts regarding his -- >> haven't heard from him. >> as far as for anger. for al franken, "saturday night live" comedian, writer. this is exactly what he had to do. this is rare laughs. >> like he's known that the minute he sort of steps out of the senate, somebody will say, come on, al, it's not "saturday night live." >> he is from minnesota as well, obviously. he's not from california or new york. he's from minnesota, nora. so he has to be a little more
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careful. >> that's right. >> like i'll never represent minnesota. >> do you think the people of minnesota are less tolerant? >> midwest solid. >> swedish sense of humor out there. >> exactly. i mean that as a compliment. because, i mean, they would not, for instance, these people would never ever elect like let's say a wrestler that wears bow as. you will like my show. >> you may be underestimating this incident here. >> i may be underestimating this. poor norm coleman lost to a wrestler and a comedian. >> hey, joe! what else are we looking at in news, norah? >> the only reason we didn't have pictures on what franken was doing because c-span had their camera trained on mcconnell so we didn't get the franken shots. >> way to go, c-span!
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>> i know. missing the good stuff! >> c-span cameramen are usually so quick! >> exactly. other big news you were just in california. one day after the california judge overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage, supporters of the voter approved law have now filed their appeal. yesterday's action did not surprise, of course, legal experts since lawyers on both sides vowed to carry the fight over prop 8 all the way to the supreme court. according to a briefing schedule, that appeal to the ninth circuit court will likely not be held until early next year. the obama administration is speaking out against prop 8. yesterday on msnbc "daily rundown" after joe said we have to get this question asked, david axelrod clarified president obama's position. >> the president opposed proposition 8 at the time. he felt it was divisive and mean spirited. the president does oppose same-sex marriage but he supports equality for gay and lesbian couples and benefits and
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other issues and that has been effectuated in federal agencies under his control. he supports civil unions. and that's been his position throughout. so nothing has -- nothing has changed. >> i'm sorry. i'm a simple country lawyer, norah. >> right. >> prop 8 wanted to outlaw same-sex marriage. david axelrod thinks that is mean spirited and then he says that barack obama opposes same-sex marriage. so the president of the united states yesterday, first, just called himself mean spirited. >> joe, i think, too, i tweeted this yesterday because i think you were asking a very good question. and we looked into the president's book audacity of hope in which he says he is open to the possibility he may have been misguided i believe was the
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word, and that he may be on the wrong side of history on this issue. which, you know, as a christian and someone he pointed out. i actually think that this is, politically speaking, he has to be opposed to same-sex marriage. >> right. >> but in his book, he seems to suggest, or at least be open to the point that he could be misguided on this. who knows if this changes his position in the next several years. >> he is desperately, desperately trying to have it both ways. i don't think, chrystia, he can have it both ways. you can't call prop 8 mean spirited and then say i'm still for everything that prop 8 is for. >> one or the other, right? >> yeah, i think so. but just politically when you have 30 of these statewide ballot initiatives and all 30 of them want to ban same-sex marriage. the president and his advisers say politically we can't do it. >> don't you think he wants to
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convey the impression he is in favor of it but not quite in favor of it so the -- >> he is nodding and winking. ezra: yesterday was on the show saying he says he is against it t no, he really -- but that does us no good, does it? >> you're lucky that the temperature is turned do you a bit on this as an issue throughout this country right now. >> yeah. >> will that continue? >> well, i don't know. i don't know. but, i mean, he is having it both ways on this. >> yeah, he's had it both ways. he actually is more conservative on gay marriage than am i. and willie. we just don't care. >> i truly do not. >> i truly do not. politically, i just -- and i know i'm a minority around this set in manhattan and georgetown. i just don't want the federal government telling everybody we're going to ban it or we're going to allow it. i want the states to do it individually and, of course, i got absolutely murdered for that
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yesterday. but the president just is against it. that sort of surprises me. bill clinton was, too. >> defensive marriage. >> i guess so. willie, what is coming up next? >> we will talk to our friends at politico. they have a look at the playbook. a major shake-up in the obama administration. a top member of the economic team is stepping down. he spent more than a year embedded with u.s. troops and one of afghanistan's most dangerous outposts. sebastian junger takes us into his new documentary. >> it's a classic. it will win a pulitzer prize. it's amazing. >> from bristol's breakup to coked-up monkeys, it's a week to remember. >> i was with some coked-up monkey last night and they tore the bar up.
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oh, oh, gray haired. this is some ageless [ bleep ]. yeah. >> really? really? ageless? yeah. feel this. >> nice work, dumble dorff. >> did you check it out? you know they have cream for that? >> chuck todd's dad? >> i think that's a compliment. >> maybe so. >> he's in a popular culture. >> i wouldn't want somebody complimenting me that way. let's take a look at the morning papers. "usa today" force military extension to end the number of army soldiers forced to serve beyond their commitment is cut in half the last year and on
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track to be eliminated by march 2011. good news. "the new york times" lawmakers linked to centers endowed by corporate money. university endowments partially financed by corporations honor several lawmakers posing potential conflicts similar to that involving charlie rangel. >> owner gonian. medicare and social security still troubled. they continue to face financial challenges as the new health care law add more stability according to an annual review." "the boston globe." the for most famous birth in america. yesterday, she gave birth to her own. >>. >> with us now, politico's andy barr, he has a look for us at the morning playbook. good morning, andy. >> happy friday. >> happy friday to you. we -- >> wait. >> could you say it in the mike allen way. >> happy friday! >> there we go! that's more like it!
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i know you guys miss mike. i'm just trying to fill in. >> no, we don't. he we just miss that part. >> moore frus in from the chick team there. >> christine yeah romer is out and leaving the white house on september 3rd and going back to uc berkeley to resume teaching on the heels of orszag leaving. >> she is not forced out as some people have suggested, at least publicly, they are saying this was a mutual agreement that she wanted to go back to teaching? >> right. we haven't heard anything. you know, this is also the time in the administration that indicates people start leaving. we haven't heard she has been forced out. this is something she wanted to get back to doing. >> this is a strange time to leave, though, isn't it? the economy, we have the president saying i don't think we will have a double dip recessi recession, yet he has two key economic players leaving. strange time to do it.
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>> it could have something to do with her status at u cal berkeley. maybe she loses tenure? >> i think they would probably cut her slack! i don't think she needs a teacher's note! are you playing mika's role now spinning it from the white house? >> i have a thing here! >> i think that economic team is feeling pretty beaten up in a personal sense. >> why? >> because it's incredibly hard and i think there is a concern in the white house economic team that they are in sort of a damn if you do, damn if you don't. >> yeah. >> that i think they do feel the stimulus has worked. i think they feel they have done things that have been helpful for the economy but not as if the country is going around saying hooray for the economic jean united states in the white house who are making things so fabulous. >> they believe they stopped the economy from falling off a clip. >> right. prevented the second great depression, et cetera, et cetera. >> i can understand that. they promised, though,
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unemployment wasn't to go above 8% and now love them, willie, are probably thinking we need a second stimulus plan. they know that is not in the works. >> we will see those by the way, jobless numbers at eighths 8:30 for july. >> i predict because i'm optimistic. i think the number is going to go down. >> let's hope so. we will get those live in a couple of hours. andy you have an interesting story about democratic party officials and activists actually working together with the tea party. explain that one. >> that's right. they took a long look at this. we found a number of races, michigan seventh district is one where democrats are accused either helping out a tea party candidate by distributing flyers or whatever and planting their own tea party candidates in districts. really where we are seeing this is in districts if a tea party candidate takes 1, 2, 3 percentage points away from a republican it could be enough to get a democrat re-elected. democrats nationally denying they have anything to do with
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this. but the allegations are still out there. >> we say democratic officials. who are we talking about here exactly? can we be more specific? >> we are talking about like state party, state party chairs are accused of planting people in these races so more on a local level. the national party saying they don't have anything to do with it but you look around and these accusations are all over the place and we're seeing some indication that is true. >> yes, some charges of dirty tricks. interesting piece. check it out on politico. andy, thanks and see you later. charlie rangel responds to the president. remember when the president suggested it might be time for rangel to retire? charlie has an answer to that. the motive behind the shooting rampage in connecticut. police released a chilling 911 call made by the gunman while he was carrying out the attack. we will play it for you when we come back. ♪ if you want it come and get it ♪
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permanently sealing its blownout well in the gulf of mexico. yesterday, engineers finished plugging the well with cement from the top. coast guard admiral thad allen says although this is not the end it, quote, virtually assures us there is no chance of oil leaking into the environment. the next step is to cement the well from bottom, a process that could start next week. connecticut man who killed eight of his coworkers this week before turning the gun on himself called 911 during the shooting. police released the audio of the four-minute call yesterday. in the car omar thornton introduced himself to the 911 operator as the shooter. he went on to explain why he went on the shooting spree. pretty chilling. take a listen.
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>> chilling. now this story. local officials in oregon are apologizing after health inspectors threatened to fine a 7-year-old girl for opening a lemonade stand without a license. well, little julie murphy was selling kool-aid for 50 cents a cup when an approacher asked for a license. the inspector told her to leave or face a 500 dollar fine. the local county chairman says while the county inspectors were doing their job, exactly, the rules are meant for professional food service! >> look! >> not necessarily 7-year-old girls. >> little julie murphy. survivaling intermanureship, joe! >> that is awful. >> the rules are the rules. >> even with little julie murphy? >> little juli. >> we need a juli murphy campaign. she needs to set up a website.
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>> look at her. seriously? that is -- i expect tea partiers to put one of those hats on her. >> big government! >> big government! >> big government. >> coming down to little julie. >> seriously leave them alone. not little julie! that is awful. >> we added that in. >> looks so cute. >> she does. norah, thank you for adding the little to julie murphy's name. >> absolutely. willie, other happy news. tiger woods struggles to 74. >> we are going to show that in one second. a jury found a connecticut woman guilty of attempting to extort millions of dollars from university of louisville and former knicks and celtics head coach rick pitino. karen seifert was found guilty yesterday. the case involved a 2003 xul encounter between the two in an empty restaurant after which
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pitino received threatening phone calls to keep the hundred-night stand secret. she faces maximum 26 years in prison. i think one-night stand might be overstating it. >> the "new york post" boils it down to its most base element. sex for 15 seconds, now 26 years in jail. i don't understand, willie, what do they mean sex for 15 seconds some. >> that was based on testimony in the trial given by mr. pitino himself. >> what? >> describing the length of the encounter. >> the what? what? the length? >> what is he? an 11-year-old boy? ist the length of the encounter? >> fifteen seconds. >> we caught that enu endo! >> fifteen seconds? >> fifteen. >> wow! >> it was brief. >> didn't he sound embarrassed when he had to admit that? >> what that was like? >> i didn't hear it. i just read it in print. >> seriously? >> you couldn't do a minute right! >> send me to jail! i mean, before i have to -- that
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is horrific! >> we like coach pitino. he watches the show. >> i love coach pitino. >> how is your career going some. >> mine? >> by the way, we are going to spin this for the coach right now because we love the coach. >> we do. >> how do we spin this? the ladies want to hear! >> because if you -- if you -- you had to admit in open court with your wife sitting in a row behind you. >> there you go. >> that you had sex, you don't want to say, well, you know, the thing is -- this was amazing. we went through the night. i went out to get like. >> you think your wife is more likely to be tolerant if you were bad in bed with the girl you were -- >> i think if rick pitino had told the truth and said this thing lasted for six, seven, eight hours, yeah, i think the wife would be upset so he's spinning it for her and i think that is nice of him. give him some credit. >> noble. >> it was a mistake!
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>> something like a violation on the foul line. >> let's move on. tiger woods, the number one golfer, tiger playing a course he has dominated over his year. he has won seven times there. this was supposed to be his big comeback. >> everything is going to go well. >> this is at firestone in akron, ohio, the bridgestone invitational. an ugly day. tee shot into the trees and out of the bunker in the 5th hole and the ball rolls right back. his round so terrible after he made a rare birdie on 17, he mocks his own performance bowing to the crowd, like, look, i finally did something right. tiger ended the day 4 over 74 and good for 70th place out of 81 golfers. >> he has a goatee. did you see that? >> >> he has the chuck todd goatee going. >> here it is. college football. defending national champion alabama starting the season as the team to beat according to the "usa today" coaches
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preseason poll. the crimson tied received 59 out of 59 possible first place votes. unanimous. number two is ohio state got the other four votes so it wasn't unanimous. >> good writing, guys! >> got some bad numbers in there. i really sold it, though. >> speaking of alabama math. >> i sold that very well. florida is third and texas number four and boise state. >> that is ridiculous. get them out of there. baseball. bad news for the red sox. they cannot catch a break on the injury front. this is kevin youkilis. he is out now for the season. injured his hand on wednesday. an mri confirmed a muscle tear in his thumb that will require surgery. he is done for the year. red sox trail first place yankees as they come in to yankees stadium this weekend for four games. big loss, mike? >> huge! huge! >> yeah. over. it's over. >> how do you get a muscle tear in your thumb? >> how do you get it when he is swinging? >> you swing, your hand twists.
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>> yeah? >> he just -- a violent swing and ruptured the muscle right there in his thumb. >> how are the red sox 15 games over .500 or however many they are over .500? they have a aaa outfield. half the team is hurt. you've got elsbury. this fingernail in april got clipped and it cracked and he and his agent have decided that he better not come back until october. seriously, mike. they should trade that guy. he's a loser. i loved him. i loved him when emerged in the world series but he is not a team player. he has been sitting there, you know? >> out in arizona, never travels with the team. >> he's a punk. i went from loving this guy saying get rid of him. >> it is amazing they are 15 games above .500. even you have to admit that. >> i've admitted to you many times. >> yankees, are you going to see
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the game some. >> i'm out of town. i might go monday. they have a day game. >> do you have a clip to show the pathetic tampa bay stadium? >> check this out. you know the stadium they play in? not a good stadium. catwalks and low ceiling. like playing baseball in your basement. twins jason kubel should be an easy pop-up to get them out of the inning, right? no, sir. the ball hits the catwalk up there in tropicana field. a low ceiling. what are you going to do? two runs score causing the rays to lose the game 8-6. should have been an easy pop-out. instead the rays lose to the twins 8-6. >> we'll take. coming up later, dan e -- senor and eugene robinson and donnie deutsche. up next should charlie rangel respond is as president obama suggested? charlie with a few thoughts on
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♪ ♪ cause i'm already gone and i'm feeling ♪ >> i don't know why the president of these great united states would say something like that. i guess he believes owl years old. after all, i'm pretty proud of the record that i've established in over 50 years in public service. >> charlie rangel. i got to say charlie looks good. all things aside for an 80-year-old, charlie is looking good. he's a fighter. >> i'd take it. >> yeah, i'd take it. mika is not here so let's read her op-eds. she is in the south of france so we will do her work for her.
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the internal emergency. in other words, democrats are taxing productive businesses that will now employ fewer people in order to increase welfare transfers to protect their big labor base. meanwhile, the white house will continue to lecture everyone about how extending the bush tax cuts is irresponsible. mike, this "wall street journal" editorial is going to be basically what republicans are talking about this fall. >> no doubt, joe. i mean, republicans, clearly,
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are going to be, throughout the country this fall, talking about we can't have any more stimulus spending, we spent too much and we're not paying for what we are spending and this gets us further into the hole. >> how does that square with that deficit anxiety with but we have to extend the tax cuts? >> that's the thing. if i'm a republican, i say, well, gee, look how upset democrats are when we talk about letting you keep more of your money. but they don't ever worry about the deficit when they talk about taking more of your money and having these stimulus plans. listen. the bottom line is -- you know it, chrystia -- democrats want to spend money without paying for it and republicans want to cut taxes without paying for it. in the end, everybody loses. >> result is a big budget deficit is what everybody can aagree on. >> it has been this way a long time and continues now. you talk about the showdown that romer has. that is what we're going into this fall. democrats saying let's spin more money, and we're not going to pay for it so the debt goes up.
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the republicans say, okay, we don't want to spend more money, even though they did over the past but let's cut taxes and we're not going to pay for it. >> lucky that -- >> we all lose. >> republicans are lucky the country is filled with amnesia and forget their spending habits under george w. bush. >> if republicans came forward and said, okay, we're going to extend the bush tax cuts and this is how we're going to pay for it, then americans would go, okay. >> right. >> at least in enough house districts to give them the majority but they aren't doing that. >> would americans go for that or is the cynical or effective strategy to not specify how you would pay for it? >> no that is the cynical strategy. i can just tell you from our personal experience. we kept being told how mean and bitter we were in the 1990s. we won in '94. we won in '96. we won in '98. we won in 2000. every time we campaigned, cut more, cut more, cut more, cut more. and americans put us in the
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majority. they didn't like us in "the new york times" editorial but put us in the majority. mike, you had one you wanted to read? >> "the new york times" today. paul krugman. >> thus, ruled paul krugman. >> if paul disagrees with you, he calls you stupid usually. >> yeah. >> this time he called paul ryan a dope. >> a dope. >> good. glad to know he is open-minded.
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is it time willie? >> no, it's not. there is a lot of real news. prop and elena kagan, all kinds of important stories and we have included none of them in our top three stories of the week. >> it's been a fast process. i want to get married soon just so we can live together and be together all the time. >> at number three, is nothing sacred? >> we stand up and we say, oh, no you don't! >> just three short weeks after levi and bristol made believers of us all announcing they were engaged in the paid appearance of a supermarket magazine, their love story ended suddenly and without warning. >> i wanted to do it and i did it and i feel so much better about it. >> reporter: bristol broke off the engagement this week telling a different magazine she had been played by levi. >> is your face getting red? >> reporter: the last play came when ricky hollywood was caught in lie that he had to leave
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bristol behind in alaska to catch a hunting show in hollywood which is a mecca for armed-bearing sportsmen. >> i am too choked up to talk about it. i am shocked! i don't want to talk about it. it's horrible. >> at number two, that time of year again. >> brett favre has retired! i know. we're all going to remember where we were when we heard the news. i was watching highlight tapes of his last three retirements. >> this week, brett favre began his summer ritual of toying with the percentage ill emotions of middle-aged men leaving them to contemplate the prospect of lonely fall sundays without his scruffy, rugged embrace. >> did you send text messages to teammates? >> no. >> not to anyone? >> no. >> the 40-year-old quarterback kept the media, his fans and own
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team guessing whether he will retire like he did last season and the season before that. >> i hope every -- >> all right. pull yourself together, brett favre. am i saying that right? >> brett favre d rah. >> number one story of the week. coked-up monkeys. nevada republican senate candidate sharron angle had a blow to harry reid this week by successfully linking him to coked-up monkeys. >> harry reid has some plans for some rocks. >> ms. angle suggested by supporting the stimulus bill, reid was supporting the revision that allows for cocaine research through the scientific method of wild drug-fueled monkey parties. >> take your sticking paws off me, you damn dirty ape! >> it's by a strange standard that the coked-up monkeys are
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the corn wall valley, the deadliest place on earth. >> what are we doing some. >> it is there. especially at night when you can't see what is coming at you. >> are you going to go back to the civilian world? >> i have no idea. >> i still, obviously, haven't figured out how to deal with it inside. the only hope i have right now is that, eventually, i'll be able to process it differently. ♪ >> mike barnicle, with us is is a bast yun junger. the book we think is the most significant book of the year "war", the past several years. >> it is tremendous piece of reporting and writing. the two are twins, they go together. the film, if you could pass a law in this country for every american to go see one thing this summer, it would be to go see respepo.
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to get a frame of what war is. war is not a video game. >> we have sebastian with us now. thanks for coming in. i read the book and, of course, it describes afghanistan like no reporting that i've read in papers or online or on tv. it's amazing. but as i saw restrepo, your movie about your situation there, it became obvious that these kids that were getting shot at and killed and were doing heroic deeds, they were my son. they were listening to my son's music and looked like my son. the movie is even more jarring and you just sit there going, god, i hope this hell is worth it. >> yeah.
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>> tell us about the movie and why the hell you went there to the most dangerous place on earth? >> you know, i had been going to afghanistan since 1996. i was there when the taliban, right before the taliban took over. and after 2001, the afghans had this strange moment of optimism because the west was coming to their aid, they had been at war for 20 years. that war was started by the russians. it wasn't something that reflect their inner soul. it was something that imposed from without. and nato sort of stopped the chaos there, but didn't really follow through, primarily, the united states didn't follow through. so the war, the situation there improved tremendously and then it fell apart year-by-year. so what i wanted to do, i was concerned about afghanistan. i was also concerned about this country, like, wow, it was an easy win, it was an easy fight in 2001 and we're going to be
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there for years and years. i wanted to know what it was like to be a soldier in the u.s. army. i've covered wars for 20 years but never been with a professional army. these guys were incredibly well-trained. they -- i was with battle company of the 173rd in a valley. i didn't know this going in there but the valley was the scene of one-fifth of all the combat in all of afghanistan and almost 100 firefights in their deployment. i wanted to know what it was like to be in combat and i picked a perfect value ri valley for it. >> in combat also knowing that every second, you write about this, might be your last second. because there are snipers all over the area. they have moved through the mountains, the regions. you write about how they will pay a teenager $5 a day, give them $10 worth of ammo and they just walk around the mountains shooting at americans and killing a lot of them. so you say every second, these guys know may be their last.
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>> psychologically that was really hard. i did five one-month trips out there. my partner tim did the same. so we covered a lot of their deployment. one of the guys said, you know, the scariest stuff some times were things that never happened so we could be expecting an attack. it was a 15, 20-man outpost and they could have overrun it if they tried. >> at any time? >> at any time. they almost overran some other outposts. what that meant every time you went to sleep you didn't know if you would be waking up to a catastrophic attack. every time i you sat drinking coffee you didn't know if a sandbag would hit your head. even when there was no fighting your mind was ready for a catastrophic situation. >> mike, part of the book that made you know how you'd get rid and die before you even knew it was when sebastian was standing there looking up and suddenly sand flicked up.
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he didn't know why it flicked up. and then he heard the shot. >> one of the most important components of the book and the documentary, the film restrepo is the fact the young men portrayed in this represent less than 1% of our country. we have a country not invested in this war here at home. we can go throughout whole days and weeks without encountering any families with a son or daughter serving the country. the sense of service, the sense of camaraderie that is portrayed both in the book and in the film, there's a lot of yahoos out in this country waving the flag and everything like that. you don't fight for the flag. you fight for the person alongside you and it's a vivid portrayal of what this life is like. >> thank you. yeah, i was really struck by that. i mean, both the left wing and right wing have their theories
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for why soldiers fight. neither are really particularly accurate. i mean, the soldiers joined up for sometimes because of 9/11 and sometimes because their dad was in the military. they had a variety of reasons. sometimes they wanted some excitement. frankly, they are young men, they wanted to test themselves. once they get out there, those reasons just dissolve. no one returns fire in a firefight because of the american flag. they just don't do it. they do it because their buddies are in danger and they need to do it and everyone needs to help each other. it really is about this brotherhood that exists in these small outposts. brotherhood is different from friendship. friendship is a reflection of how you feel about a person, right? brotherhood has nothing to do with that. one of the soldiers said to me there is guys in the platoon who hate each other but we would all die for each other. that is brotherhood. putting the welfare of the group above your own and that sun one of the things i think is intoxicating along with these guys along with the adrenaline,
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of course. >> a big question people are asking the last several months on this show included, what the hell are we doing in afghanistan at this point? did any of the guys there as they were sitting in the valley shot from all corners did they voice that frustration outloud? did they question what exactly they are doing there? or were they focused enough on their mission to not think that way? >> they are incredibly focused. they never asked that question what are we doing in afghanistan. it's not -- it's not within their -- it's not that they are not smart enough. or well informed enough. they are young guys, but it doesn't help what they are doing. like their job is to fight well and survive in the valley and that is it. what they are doing -- what we are doing in afghanistan as a whole doesn't affect them. whether we are getting out or not they have a 15-month deployment to get through so the big picture doesn't impact them. it really is like the police. >> you say you get back behind the lines and people start
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talking about politics, but up there, it's very interesting. we read excerpts after the wikileaks came out. you say these guys never get political unless the topic of pakistan comes up and then they get very political. those guys on the front line at the gates of hell you say they all know that this isn't even about afghanistan, it's about pakistan. >> that's right. mooins there would be big valley wide firefights go on for a couple of hours in the korengal that is 20 miles from the border. the enemy would shoot through all of their am mixer and wouldn't be a shot another week because it took that long to get more ammunition. radio communications, pakistan, pakistan, 12 fighters coming in -- you hear it on the radio 12 fighters coming in from pakistan to engage the americans in korengal.
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you could hear it, everything is coming across the borders. >> how do the troopers feel about the rules of engagement, be careful, we don't want to be killing civilians so you can't drop them from the sky. >> by the way, and we need to get the details as we move forward, overnight, breaking news that petraeus is changing the rules of engagement. i don't know if you guys have seen that or not. >> i don't have it. >> tightening it up. that has to be frustrating, though. >> we're trying to find a balance. we are trying to find a middle ground. a downside to everything, right? sf. if you bomb everything in site that works and you kill the enemy but you also kill civilians and they help the enemy, right? if you're afraid to shoot at anything, then the enemy has kind of free rein and american soldiers get killed. so you have to find a middle ground. it's not like one extreme is right or wrong. we are trying to find the right balance. i think that is what is happening.
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they are trying to find the right mix of caution and aggression that saves the most civilian lives and american soldiers. >> how about for yourself, sebastian? this intense experience being there with the soldiers, did it influence your view of the war? >> it didn't influence my view of the war. i mean, i was looking through a little keyhole into a tiny little room, you know? it was a six-mile-long valley. the serns experience was very emotional for me. i got close to the guys and effectively i was part of the platoon. i almost got killed couple times myself. i think it's fair to say that. >> but you said that wasn't your biggest fear. you said your biggest fear was that you would do something that would get somebody else killed because of a mistake you made. talk about that. >> yeah. you feel incredible responsibility in a situation like that, particularly as a civilian. you feel you might be out of your depth, right? and the worst consequence of that is that you're going to get some 19-year-old guy killed who
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has been ordered to, like, tolerate you in his platoon? i got to be good friends with those guys but, at first, they didn't know what to think of me. what happens if you don't drink enough water? you slow the patrol down and you get ambushed and somebody gets hit. how do you make that good? you can't make it. >> your goal was always to make sure there was one guy slower than you? >> that's right. >> just one guy slower than you. which, by the way, that's how i've gotten through life in civilian life. but seriously you could never in your mind be the last guy on patrol. >> that's right. >> or in the march? >> that's right. the expression you don't have to be the faster gisele but faster than one other gisele in terms of not getting eaten. >> you said one time you left a shirt behind and you felt that you may have exposed the other troops and they just glared at you.
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didn't say a word. but you knew. >> yeah. >> i've got to be so careful. >> everything is important. you don't tie your shoelaces and something happens and you trip and someone has to pick you up. everything has repercussions. absolutely everything. the soldiers really look out for each other. is a lateral discipline. if you don't clean your rifle, the lieutenant doesn't get on your case about it, your buddy does because it's his life you're risking by not being responsible. >> just life seem less vivid some. >> back here? >> yeah. >> it sdp. you don't know if your shoes are tied or not. they probably are but you're not sure. i don't know either. but out there, you would know. absolutely. >> you are going back but you talk about how you understand about how these young men who were there and they consider themselves to be in hell. they get home and so many of them want to go right back because they miss their buddies and you say just bluntly, they
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miss the adrenaline rush. >> yeah. >> life will never be more vivid for them. >> that's right. once you adapt psychologically to combat it's hard to unhook from that. they were in almost 100 firefights. the hardest times weren't when there was a lot of fighting, it was when it stopped and the guys didn't know what to do with themselves. the other thing is they have a very -- they are 19, 20, right? their understanding of themselves is very clear what is expected of them. it's all very clear. they are valued for for how they acting in combat. in the civilian you're valued for whether you're good looking or not or whether you have money, whether you're funny. they are great out there but not important. >> you say you can never tell who is going to be the hero in combat and who is not. >> yeah. >> you say there are some big guys who collapse and there are some small guys that end up being murphy. >> that's right.
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you're completely self-defining. if you want to have courage, you could be 5'2" or 6'5". it doesn't matter. it's up to you to decide. that's so different from high school or college where the way people see you reflects a lot of things about how you were born and what you looked like, et cetera. so these guys, once they experience the reality of combat, going back to the civilian world where things are sort of where your identity is sort of imposed on you is kind of mortifying. >> let's go to norah o'donnell in washington. >> sebastian, let me say thank you for your brilliant reporting and writing and telling the story of our american men and women who, of course, get sent on these very difficult missions. you said something at the very top that i wrote down. you said this could have been an easy victory in 2001. what do you mean? >> well, the taliban were toppled in a few weeks. not one american soldier was killed retaking kabul from them. more journalists were killed
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than american servicemen. and, essentially, we walked away. we left, i think, 19,000 american soldiers in afghanistan, incredibly complicated ruined country that needed a lot of he help. we left 19,000 american soldiers and we basically moved on to iraq. the afghans, i mean, their ambivalence about us came from the fact, i think, that they didn't think this would work. like they were so relieved to have the west sort of step in and bring some order to that country. i think they couldn't quite believe that the attacks of 9/11 that killed 3,000 american civilians warranted a military presence of 19,000 soldiers in their country. i think they were kind of in shock. >> wow. >> we get continually from washington the strategic and political reasons for our involvement in afghanistan. yet, in today's "the washington post," a front page story about president karzai of afghanistan, his attempt to control any
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investigation into corruption within his country. what is your sense of the afghan government in relation to the afghan people? is there any connection some. >> i think the afghan people are incredibly disillusioned and disappointed with their government and i think one of the reasons the war has been going on so long, frankly. the issue of corruption has never really been addressed. i mean, think about it. if you're afghan, what are the prospects -- okay, so nato, wins and leaves and as an af gun you're left with the completely corrupt karzai administration. that's not a victory for you as an afghan. right? in some ways, better to have the taliban, even though ideologi l ideologically they are not liked but at least the taliban, at least it's a clean government. that is the ko nun drum the afghans are in. >> sebastian, stay with us. we will be right back.
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." still talking with sebastian junger. let's bring into the conversation david gregory, moderator of "meet the press" and from the white house, savannah guthrie, the co-host of "the daily rundown." it is after this show which started three minutes late yesterday. savannah, i am so sorry. when i'm in l.a. i have to wake up at 1:00, all right? give me an extra two or three minutes. >> i understand. >> we will turn things around a little bit instead of us asking you questions. why don't you guys ask sebastian
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questions. let's start, david gregory, with you. have you a question for sebastian. >> good to see sebastian. his book "war" i think is a great book. military leaders i know are reading it or have read it and it provides up close look what you're talking about. underscores the debate which is missing. a lack of emotional commitment of the men aem women fighting in afghanistan and been doing so for nine years. i think there is a fundamental question here. if you hear the president talk about our goals in afghanistan, it is to dismantle and essentially defeat al qaeda and prevent its return. is there any evidence that the taliban is turning its back on al qaeda and without that, can you achieve u.s. goals? >> you know, that evidence would come from within pakistan while al qaeda is disbursed at the moment. not that i've heard but i
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imagine there are negotiations going on, sort of back channel negotiations that deal with exactly that. i mean, in some form, the taliban will probably be incorporated into future government of afghanistan that do after all they represent one voice of the many voices in that country. i think if the u.s. could figure it out so that they are reincorporated but they have cut off their ties to al qaeda, i think that would be the beginning of a conversation that this administration would probably be willing to have. >> i think, joe, if i can add on to that. i think the issue here is for all of our troops and our strategy in afghanistan, the taliban with the closest ties to al qaeda are operating from bases in pakistan, they have a cozy relation and launching attacks and killing u.s. soldiers and going back to these sanctuaries. there really hasn't been a lot of inclination to turn their
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back on the taliban and all of this while this corruption is rampant in the car guy government, it's a real source of concern this week in the administration what karzai has done on this anti-corruption probe and a lot of people are looking at this week and this summer to see whether this is, in fact, the turning point of whether karzai can be trusted to clean up the government or not. >> it goes back to pakistan, sebastian. and there's a moment in this movie and also several in your book where they are not talking about routing out al qaeda terrorists that want to blow up buildings in new york city. at one point, they are walking down paths to talk to elders and a guy -- the captain is saying we got to figure out a way to get them to help us. you have americans just dropped into this land that has been invaded since alexander the great, and get them to fight. he is quiet for a second and he goes, against their family. we are dropping into afghanistan thinking we can go into these
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remote villages and get them to shoot their sons. that's -- i'm sorry, that is insane. and it has nothing to do with the people that blew up our buildings on 9/11. >> yeah. i mean, the relationships are really complicated. the new strategy in afghanistan is called the population strategy and shifts groups and shifting them to the population centers. that's new as of a few months ago. the connection with al qaeda, al qaeda was in afghanistan because it was a rogue state with no extradition treaties. there was air strips and dru drug economy. they have none of those things in paecket. and in the korengal al qaeda was in afghanistan because of the chaos that had proceeded the taliban. the taliban regime was friendly to them. they had a very high level of
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operations in that country. they don't have that any longer. that may be why we haven't been attacked since al qaeda was pushed into pakistan. i mean, that is the connection. it doesn't happen in every valley but that in the broad context of afghanistan, that's the sort of rational behind being there. >> savannah, it sounds like sort of the cliche fight them there so they don't fight us here. >> exactly. i guess my question for sebastian is since we continually hear from administration officials that they have degraded al qaeda to the point there is only 50 or a hundred of them still left in afghanistan, what do you think is the best argument for the u.s. to continue to be there if al qaeda is the goal and they are reduced in numbers to that extent, what should the administration be saying to kind of explain why we're still there? i mean, presumably it has a lot to do with what is happening in pakistan. >> well, i mean, if i were the administration and i wanted to continue the war, i would say something like this.
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that in the 1990s, al qaeda was a fledgeling organization and grued and prospered in afghanistan because no one could get out of them. if nato pulls out of afghanistan there will be huge consequences for the people of afghanistan. it will be a blood bath country there, i believe. if nato pulls out, it also allows the circumstances of the 1990s to recur and re-create themselves and possibly another 9/11. that is what i would say if i were the administration. >> that exists in the years to come. david, i'm just wondering. that creates a problem. i understand what is happening. we saw the cover of "time" magazine and read that. but that's the reality ten years from now. that is the reality 20 years from now. they will sit and wait in pakistan until we leave. so do we keep having americans getting their heads shot off for the next 20 years? >> i think that there's likely to be a u.s. military presence in that region for a long time to come. not at these numbers but to
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sebastian's point about the potential blood bath. you have the second biggest minority group in afghanistan in the north. second to pashtuns. there could be civil war if, all of a sudden, the taliban comes into power in the south again and then you have a smaller shell of a central government run by hamid karzai and that is on the brink of some kind of disintegration. not a lot of hope that is a strong central government or no reason to believe that central government short of monday aki in the '70s will survive in afghanistan. the second point that blood bath may happen in afghanistan that may be reminiscent of the '90s. it's awful to say that "time" magazine cover was a horrifying picture of a woman mutilated by the taliban. the u.s. will leave before women like her are protected. because that is not the goal. if that were really the goal, according to counterinsurgency we would have 500,000 troops there and trying to rebuild the
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country. i think we're moving away from that goal particularly if we want to pull troops out less than a year from now. >> i want to ask you, sebastian, about one other aspect of your reporting. a lot of debate over this piece that michael hastings wrote for "rolling stone" that ultimately got general mcchrystal fired or led him to resign. i'm wondering what you think is appropriate to report? did you hold anything back when you spent time with these guys? and how easy was it for you to get access in the first place? >> i didn't hold anything back. you have to remember, i was with like, you know, front line infantry. the things that they said were far less national consequence than what a general would be saying. i didn't hold anything back. and i was never asked to. the imbed system is designed to put soldiers -- journalists with front line soldiers. journalists have always had
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access to the generals and so we shouldn't confuse that reporting in "rolling stone" with the imbed system. it's a different thing. >> what did you think of that piece? did you think it was appropriate to put in the comments he put in? >> look. reality is always appropriate in journalism. god forbid. >> yes, it is! >> proof. there you go. >> mike barnicle. i love that. always appropriate. >> back to the original concept at the top of the hour that we talk about war. it's not a video game. many americans have a frame of reference for war as a video game, who we are fighting. were you impressed with the unit discipline of the taliban? >> the taliban is kind of a catchall phrase and it compromises a lot of different things. i mean, it goes from they were really hard-core international, foreign fighters in the korengal. they were incredibly fighters. they were as well trained, as disciplined as american soldiers. you go all the way down the
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spectrum to like local boys who were given $5 to shoot off a magazine of 8k at the american outpost, those kids had no idea what they were doing and they got killed in great numbers because of that. so it really was the whole spectrum, but the top guys, my god. they were incredible. >> is the population center strategy working? >> they just began working this. they pulled out of the korengal last april. now general petraeus is saying i think we're going to have to -- we can answer those questions probably in the fall, we will start to see maybe some shift. i mean, and, again, the important thing -- i mean, the military problems, i think, can always be addressed if you really wanted to. like d-day, we did d-day, right? you can do it if you want to. the real problem is corruption. that is the real fight in afghanistan. >> all right. sebastian, thank you so much for being with us. david gregory and savannah guthrie, thank you as well. the book is "war."
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the movie is restrepo. find out where it's playing around you and make sure you see it. it's incredibly important. this is mike. this is the book to read. >> classic piece of reporting. >> we will be right back. ♪ ♪ snowe .. [ female announcer ] for dazzling white teeth, give toothpaste the brush off.
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hey, a beautiful and steamy morning here in washington, d.c. bp is now one step closer to permanently sealing its blown -out well in the gulf of mexico. yesterday, engineers finished plugging the well with cement from the top. coast guard admiral thad allen says although this is not the end it, quote, virtually assures us there is no chance of oil leaking into the environment. the next step is to cement the
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well from bottom, a process that could start next week. christina romer is resigning. the white house announced she is leaving her position at the beginning of september to return to her teaching job at uc berkeley. the second high level aide to leave the obama administration this summer after the resignation of budget director peter orszag. >> charlie rangel is planning to fight his ethics charges. >> i don't know where the president of the great united states would say something like that. i guess he is 80 years old. after all, i'm pretty proud of the record that i've established in over 50 years in public service. >> 80 years old, charlie rangel. is obama preparing to make a deal with iran? we're going to talk to david
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♪ we all understand this regime is not a peace-seeking regime. i believe, though, we have to go through the sanctions for the world to better understand that it's probably not going to be enough. i think the world is united, practically united around this issue. our past history, world history shows that if you don't deal with such a person like ahmadinejad and separate him from his people, because i'm sure that the iranian people probably a lot of them think differently, you have to remove him from power. otherwise, the world will pay a heavy price. >> that was the mayor of jerusalem weighing in on "morning joe" and how the world
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should handle iran. here with us is a columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" david ignatius. he writes about what president obama shared at an unusual white house session with journal david wright. david, good morning. good to see you. >> good morning, great to be here. >> i think that all comes as a surprise to some people. we've heard so much ratcheting up. people talking about a possible military confrontation. tell us more about what the president is doing there behind the scenes. >> well, this was a what is obama policy and shouldn't surprise people. from the beginning, they've said that they engagement is important.
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as engagement didn't produce results last year. they moved to sanctions. the sanctions are tough. and one of the messages the president gave us on wednesday was these sanctions are hitting iran harder than the iranians probably expected. he spoke about rumblings from tehran and we later learned that mainly a strike by bizarre merchants in tehran that this is causing real damage to the economy. and his view was at a time when they are feeling the heat, it's important for us to say to the government and also the iranian people there is another way. you don't have to live with this growing misery, this burden of sanctions. is there a deal that we're going to describe to you so long as you assure the world that you're not making a nuclear weapon. there is a way to get out of this. so it had two messages, both were pretty forcefully delivered. the president also talked about inviting iran into the discussions about afghanistan and we can talk about that, if
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you'd like. that is also new and has got a lot of buzz going in that part of the world. >> david, knowing what you know about iran, following this government closely since 1979, is there a possibility that barack obama's overtures, while, of course, could be seen positive in europe and some parts of america, could that be seen aa sign of weakness from the iranian government itself? >> yes. possibly. the thing to remember is that the iranians were confident, even when i was there in 2006, that they could beat sanctions because at the end of the day, they would have russia with them, not with the west. and it's turned out that because of some very careful diplomacy by obama and his group, russia is on our side. russia has supported the latest u.n. round of sanctions and brought china along with russia and russia is really in a mud
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slinging match with tehran now if you read the statements about the two capitals coming out with each other. i do detect somewhat more nervousness on iran's part that they are becoming more isolated, that this is worse than i thought it would be. so what are they going to do? that's what we will find out. obama was saying in this moment of pressure the door is still open to you. if you want to get out of this pressure cooker, here is a way. i think that's pretty sensible. >> david, let's not step on the sublead here. you just mentioned iran's possible role in afghanistan or a larger role in afghanistan. what would that role encompass some. >> well, there's some people in the state department think i buried the lead. the most important thing the president said was this -- the president said that he thought, in addition to the discussions about the nuclear issue and the iranians have signaled they are likely they want to begin those again in september, in addition
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to this issue, there should be a separate track to talk about afghanistan where he said we have mutual interests. the iranians want to stop the drug trade and iranians historically have opposed the taliban. he then said something rel really fascinating. in hamid karzai's overall push for kivened reconciliation for the taliban is there a role for a regional process with strong neighbors like iran helping to shape this new afghanistan. and he said, iran could be a partner and it could be a constructive partner. so i think the reaction among our diplomats who thought this was a good idea saying let's work on this. there again, we have to see in the next few months whether take out from iran. >> norah o'donnell in washington. >> david, you write that the white house chose a very unusual way to send this message to tehran. you went to the white house not
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knowing that your would be talking to the president, right? >> norah, you know how the place works better than anybody. >> yeah. >> i get an e-mail on tuesday inviting me to a background briefing on iran policy. senior national security staff. big names were mentioned. so you go thinking know what that is going to be. you go into the roosevelt room which is an unlikely place for a briefing. sit around a bit and listening to jim jones and in walks this tall guy in a blue shirt. it's mr. president and mr. president is the briefer. he was very much on his game. i think part of what was happening was they decided they wanted to try to work with smaller audiences like this, have a little more give and take with journalists without the full-blown press conferences. but it was an odd situation. i can't remember anything quite like it. >> and then, david, too, just to follow-up, why this pathway now, this open pathway? do they believe that the sanctions are working this time?
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and what about iran's efforts to build a nuclear weapon? >> norah, their decision to put this out now comes from two factors. one, they think the sanctions are squeezing harder and so that they have a little more leverage. the second interesting point, they had a senior administration official who is responsible for our sanctions, the implementation, and another who is talking about the details, the nuclear program. the second person said the iranians are having real technical trouble with their send electrofujs. they are breaking down and running about 60% of capacity with the ones they have online and the ones online are half the number that they could have. something is going wrong. these machines don't work. why is that? that is one of the more interesting questions around. the fact is that the output that their is adding more time to the clock from the diplomacy. i think that is the other factor that was working to produce what
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i saw. >> to the bizarre merchants in iran, what was the president's sense of the relationship right now between iranian people and the regime? is there some room there? >> that was discussed a little bit more by a senior official and the point made was the merchants are unhappy, the students are unhappy, there's a coalescence of people are unhappy with the regime and that is a problem for them. >> all right. david ignatius, thanks so much. great piece of reporting in "the washington post." we appreciate you being here with us. standing by in the green green room -- danny deutsch, dan senor. we might allow donnie to speak, as well. when i was seventeen i was not good to my skin.
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can't fish. and it's like -- it's like ripping your heart out. >> that was a clip of planet green's chief oceans correspondent talking with a resident of the gulf coast for a document ri feature of "blue august" event a month-long look at the world's ocean. good to see you this morning. >> gm. >> let's talk about something we were just discussing an enthat's this sort of undercurrent that's been coming out over the last few days that things maybe we're passed this. that government report that said three quarters of the oil that spilled is no longer a threat has dispersed or evaporated. we know that the well is about to be plugged for good according to -- >> we hope. >> we hope. what's the reality? >> well, i think that i have to say that i would look at this as the end of the beginning. more than anything else. i've been a little worried and my colleagues worried about this talk that the worst is over.
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certainly great success we've capped it and hopefully be able to plug it. but that's the first step in a long process. by did government's own admission, they're still 26% or so of the oil floating around in the gulf. that's 50 million gallons. that's five times exxon valdez. >> do you buy the three quarters of the spill is dispersed? even a quarter being there is a lot but less bad than we thought. >> well, i think it's hasty and premature to make those kinds of firm predictions. noaa in the report a few days ago said they don't know the long-term impact. it was a hidden, small paragraph in the release that was rosy and readinging and looking into it, we need more science. >> the epa came out and they said, well, based on our studies just this week over -- dumping over a million gallons of
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disperse sants into the gulf is no more toxic than just the oil by itself. i'm sorry. i hate to say i don't believe it but i just don't believe it. we'll talk to the head of the epa and try to sort through it but we're hearing a lot of things that sound overly optimistic right now. >> i think it's very overly optimistic an exad exactly what and the government wants. they want us the move on. >> why would -- is it -- >> bp wants it out of the news. i think the government wants to move on to other things. they have seen it all along. >> just after 9/11, the workers were told you have nothing to be concerned about. clean up around 9/11. the epa rushed out and i'm not comparing this epa chief to that epa chief. >> no. lisa's good. >> it's happened before, though. where the government -- >> absolutely. >> wants to tell everybody -- >> look at katrina.
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there's promise of all this investment and don't worry. we are in it for the long run. >> right. >> and now, you know, we kind of moved on from katrina and that region didn't recover from that disaster. >> what do we go to hold epa, noaa, white house, bp? what do we do? >> it's critical for the media to stay involved in this issue and not be complacent and say maybe it's not as bad as we thought it was. exxon valdez, prince william sound, 20 years later still not recovered from the oil spill there. 50 million gallons in the gulf. this is going to a multiyear impact on that region and we owe it to the environment, to the people and to the future generations to make sure that this place is restored to be better than it ever was. >> all right. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> planet green's "oceans blue" is this sunday. thank you so much. >> thank you. thank you, as well.
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welcome back to "morning joe." great to have you with us. you are looking at the top of the rock. from the top of the rock. looking downtown on a hot august
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day. with us now, chairman of deutsch incorporates, donny deutsch. dan senor and columnist for "washington post," eugene robinson. also mike barnicle here with us with willie geist. good to see you guys. >> good morning. >> you guys are both saying the same thing. you couldn't leave home today because you were riveted to sebastian yunger. >> he did the impossible. he wrote a book about the war that both the left and the right have taken ownership of. i've never seen anything like this. the left cites it in the case to get out of afghanistan and the right cites it in its case to stay in which means he managed to write this apolitical almost amoral book about one of the most perplexing issues of our time. >> and donny, i guess what makes it that way is you see the war through the eyes of these young
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men who as he says are apolitical up here. they're interested in one thing, protecting their buddy next to them. >> he talked about brotherhood and how do they feel about us being in afghanistan. it was like that's not even in they car. it's just about whether you will have or hate the guy next to you. you're giving your life for him. it's just the essence of what guys fighting war is all about. >> he goes look at a cop in detroit. a cop in detroit is fighting crime in a neighborhood saying when's the crime situation like in chicago? it's like, i could care less about what's going on in chicago. i'm worried about my little neighborhood and the guys i do patrol with. >> your mentioned your son. they're 19, 20. anybody with a 19-year-old, 20 -- these are babies. these are babies. it is just -- you forget. it is very easy and talk philosophically about a war and casualties as numbers seeing the kids with the tattoos and the
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thing. these are kids over there. >> what's so interesting is, gene robinson in washington, i read "war." found it to be an absolutely riveting book but i was trance fixed when i watched "restrepo" the movie because for meow realize that the kids over there are kids. they are your child's age. there's a kid on there playing a song that he was taught of blink 182 song that my kids learning to and trying to play on guitar when they were 11, 12, 13 years old. and you realize just how high the stakes are. that these are children, our children that we have sent over to fight in this war. and in my, you know, my opinion, damn well better be worth it. it requires americans to examine this war more close l cloly the. >> i have been touting this project for a couple of months. i wrote a column about the book
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"war" when it came out because i think it's just an amazing, amazing achievement. it's a great read. it's actually the only time i've read a column about a book and it just was so striking and so xwl glad that people have caught on to what i think is the best description of war on the ground and how it's really fought and by whom and what it's really like that i have read in a long, long time. >> mike, bob woodward getting off the set months ago in washington at the d.c. bureau, like gene had the gallies and bob woodward said this is the best reporting of a war zone i have ever seen and talked about the valley where the cop was. he talked about how the russians didn't get into it. alexander the great and the third century b.c. had trouble getting into it.
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i guess 4th century b.c. we got two miles into it. the older tribes men think they're fighting the remnants of the russians. they're so isolated. it's another world. >> well, one of the reasons for the book's success, dan pointed it out, you know, right, left, doesn't matter. there's no ideology in war when you're there. and one of the things this war has fallen into is this concept that many, many people removed from the military, less than 1% serving in the military now is that war is a video game. isn't this exciting? see it in 30-second snippiths. it is the same as the civil war. the weapons are more powerful. people die for the flag and for the guy next to them. this book and the film brings that home so viviy that really every american ought to see this
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and read it. >> they should. willie, while we were talking about afghanistan, we have david ignacius talking about -- >> i'm going this way. >> can we have a split screen of dan's head blowing up? we may have a new partner in the war against the taliban. >> yeah. david was on. i don't know if you saw him -- >> i left by then and watched sebastian. tell me. >> reporting from inside the white house. he was called to a meeting. in walks the president of the united states who he said was running the meeting talking about deepening our engagement with iran at this crucial moment. do you think that's a good strategy? >> iranians being our ally in the battle of afghanistan. isn't that exciting, willie? you bring a new friend to the table. >> everybody can get along. >> they're going to help us in afghanistan. >> help us in afghanistan. >> right. >> while building a nuclear bomb and supporting hezbollah and
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hamas. i'm skeptical. count me in among the camps of skeptics. >> donny deutsch, obviously a lot of people would think that the president tried to engage during the campaign. said i was going to -- i'm going to engage iran. i'm a bigger thinker than bush or cheney and if you look the what iran's done since barack obama's been president, it's hard to imagine how they could have acted more badly. not only with their nuclear program but also killing their own people in the streets last summer. >> you talk a lot about on the show about how the outsiders of washington are outsiders and as soon as they get there they realize why business is done a certain way and this theoretical, we have to engage the enemies and reach out doesn't necessarily seem to work with the iranians of the world, former nazis of the world, the bad guys of the world. it is very nice in theory to say we are going to kind of put our arms around the table but --
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>> there is a reason, gene, why we haven't engaged iran in the past and it is -- you're an outsider. you say maybe if we talk to iran they'll behave getter. george w. bush, i mean, tough cowboy. wanted dead or alive. george w. bush drew one line in the sand after another line in the sand, made one threat after another threat. every time the iranians said "screw you" we deal what we want. now, if you're taking a tough line and they're saying that to you, does anybody think engagement makes them reasonable? the government streets people in their own streets, the people that back hamas and hezbollah, face it, they don't respond to reason and engagement, gene. >> well, joe, i think you can make a powerful argument that why not try a different approach since as you said drawing lines
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in the sand and talking tough wasn't particularly changing the iranians' behavior? that said, i don't believe for a minute that the iranian regime wants to play nice with the united states or with the international community. and obviously at some point a decision's going to have to be made about military action or not. and that decision was always out there. i don't think anything has been lost in -- >> gene, that's off the table, though, isn't it? i mean, that's -- military operations, according to the obama administration, if you listen to what jim jones says in speeches, they have taken it off the table and sounds as if they think it's a fate dicompli iran will have the nuclear weapon. >> i think the effort was not so much to see, well, let's see if
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we can be buddies with iran. i think the effort was let's see if there are any common interests to work toward. let's see if our version of carrot and stick can encourage behavior that we can live with from iran. >> right. >> and look. this is not going to get any easier. this is going to get more difficult. what i think the iranians will do is take their nuclear program to the brink but not over the brink. not weaponize, you know -- >> who knows though? >> what makes you say that? >> that's the problem. >> why do you say they won't? why wouldn't they? >> they don't want to trigger a reaction from the international community. >> exactly. >> there are -- you take gary -- there are officials in the obama administration who in the previous positions have said that the iranian regime actually doesn't have to reach the breakout point where the nuclear weapon transitions to weapon
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sooi ization and the reason is they just have to convince the world that we can move to that stage with pretty rapid speed and then have the same affect. no one will want to test the regime. they'll support the terrorist regimes and everyone will be responding. the breakout distance has the same effect. >> fascinating really is the fact -- >> i agree with dan on that but i think we should also recognize that when we sit here and talk about a military option, the fact is that military option's very difficult. you can decide, we could all decide today sitting around this table that, okay, let's attack. that's not a trivial thing to do. not an easy thing to do. >> the united states will not attack iran. >> the nuclear program. >> the united states will never attack iran. >> so then what we do? if we ratchet up the sanctions as we have been doing over the last several years, the space
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between sanctions and military action is smaller and smaller. what's the recourse? >> let's frame this discussion up with a couple historical nuggets that take the impossible -- >> he always wants to bring facts in. >> they're historical nuggets. there's a difference. >> another good discussion with facts. >> facts and analysis goes together. >> go ahead dr. barnicle. >> let me drop this one on the panel. 65 years ago today colonel paul tib bits dropped a nuclear bomber. we're driving priuses around. three dayses ago on the front page of "the wall street journal" there was a story of americans helping vietnam obtain nuclear fission material. i mean, there's precedent for governments getting together despite how hostile and contentious it might be at the moment. who knows what might happen?
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>> dan, dan, let me follow up on that. you talk to any political leader, foreign policy leader. they tell you the big flip, if we could flip one country in the world that would radically alter for the good where the united states goes in the future it would be iran and the question is, who do we -- trying to do it since ronald reagan sent bud mcfarland over in 1986. we're still looking for him. dan, i don't think they're there. >> i do think they're there and there's a bona fida -- >> no, no. the leadership is getting more thuggish. they're cracking down on the malahs that overthrew the shaw thinking they're too moderate. >> many people argued that the administration's posture of saying nothing would actually bring the iranians to the table but they hardened their
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position. they replaced the moderate ministers with the more radical folks. back to what mike said, yes, we do drive priuses today. yes, we have an amazing alliance with the government of japan. we went to war with japan. we defeated japan. i somehow think if we had just let the japanese continue and that government to continue and engage in discussions in the war with japan i somehow think things would be different today. >> but we can't attack iran. the united states of america -- can we attack a third muslim nation in a decade? >> i don't think it's a public diplomacy or an ideological test issue. it's a practical -- >> practically -- >> do we have the reasons -- >> with our troops stretched across afghanistan and iraq, can we -- >> more formidable than i -- iraq or afghanistan. this would not be an easy thing to do.
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clearly, if you could engineer a regime change, you would have a real shot in iran because you've got -- >> i completely agree. >> westernized population there that is just raring to go into the 21st century. the problem is, i think that if you do attack iran, you provoke a kind of nationalist reaction -- >> right. >> -- on the part of the iranians that would not be helpful. >> donny, i want to pivot to another big story this week. you are a big new yorker. a prominent new yorker. >> thank you. >> what was your take on the -- >> by the way. a big new york we are a tight little t-shirt. go ahead. >> prominent biceps. >> just stop it. no! >> i got up way too early. it is way too early. >> it's casual friday. okay? >> wearing that every day, casual friday.
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>> oh. >> i don't know how i make this turn there. >> go ahead. segue there, willie. >> let's get to glamorous -- >> what was your take on the decision this week to allow for the mosque to be built a block and a half from ground zero? >> i'll answer that two ways. you know, obviously i'm a freedom guy. mike bloomberg, a free society or not a free society and a slippery slope. no question we have to let them do that. having said that, though, i think dan's going to pick up on this point. if i spoke to somebody that lost a brother or a father or a mother or a son in 9/11, and they had an issue with it although not a rational issue, emotional issue, i would be everyone thetic toward them. do we let them build it? yes. are we a free society? yes. somebody gave the analogy if after pearl harbor going to build a freedom japan society right there -- people have sensitives. we have no choice. that's what it is. >> i was going to say, dan, you
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wrote an open in "wall street journal" this week directed at the imam behind the mosque. what was your message to him? >> i think this debate is locked down into two sides that have been black and white. on the one side there are people who argue that it's purely a funding issue. look at the sources of funding and logistical security issue. we couldn't secure lower mabt for the trial. what are the logistics of this. that is one side. the other side is mr. deutsch over here which is, you know what? it is a freedom of religion issue and private property issue and both protected by the constitution. we're locked in that debate. i'm simply saying maybe there's a third way. maybe we take the imam at his word saying he's speaking to a progressive, moderate islam and approach him, leaders from left to right on all sides of this issue approach him and say we support your right to do this. you are protected by our constitution to do this.
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we are simply saying that the impact you want to have, the objectives you say you are trying to meet will not be met by this. it is actually divisive what you are doing. relocate to another part of the city. we'll help you clear regulatory hurdles, raise money for lost time. just don't do it here. >> you know what's the most horribly annoying aspect of this debate? you just touched upon it. it is the continued protestations by the editorial boards and many, many others that we have to do this in order to prove to the muslim world how ep we are and how -- we don't have to prove anything to anybody in this country. they ought to have to prove something to us because they're not the most inclusive group in the world, muslims. stop the lecturing of how we have to do this. >> i think the answer, can we all agree? you can't stop it but i won't be
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bad or guilty for having questions and issues about it. i'm sorry. i think that's -- i'm okay to say that. >> let me just say because we reached out yesterday to the imam to see if he would come on the show, they're not doing press and talking to somebody in a little bit that -- >> close to him. >> his associate. he's on the council of american islamic relations and we are going to ask some questions. >>s when that? >> about 30 minutes. we wanted to keep you guys separate. >> could we build a memorial in riyadh from the dead of september 11 snthd. >> never in a million years, mike. that's church or synagogue wanted to open up in riyadh, we're a moderate -- >> do we really -- i'm sorry. not to sound like the "the new york times" editorial page here -- >> as you usually do. >> as i usually but is that the standard to set? >> that's a fair point. >> is that the standard we hold ourselves to? >> that's the issue. >> i have to say, and going to
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piss off conservatives again so get your finger on the record button. right after 9/11, my gut reaction was, i want to build the world trade center bigger. i want to be 30 stories bigger. i want to paint targets on the top. anti-aircraft guns on there and say come at us. we'll kill you and anybody else. i got to say ten years later, i do think putting a mosque -- not saying this close there. putting a mosque somewhere downtown and saying, you know what? you did that to us. we can handle it. not only that, we'll show you how much better we are than you. i think that sends a pretty strong message. >> i think the message could be interpreted some ways. some people interpret it that way. some radical groups around the world say it's a symbol of their triumph on this place where they waged war in america now they can construct a mosque. i'm not saying siding with that
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view. this is the range of interpretations that it will stoke. >> always remember this. the people that were treated so horribly at abu ghraib. they said get me a green card and come to the united states of america. that message gets sent out. people understand who we are. there's some radicals that don't but i'm sorry. i think it's a positive message. does that make me bad? >> a moderate. doesn't make you a bad man. i'm still -- what made you a bad man is made us all look at that man's forearms. that made you a bad man. i'm still recovering. >> what are we doing now? >> push-ups. >> take it away fast enough. >> stop it! >> jack welch going to kill me for saying this? >> oh god.
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jack welch e-mails me every day saying i'm a socialist. >> a correction, dan, thanks. a good chat here. >> before the guy from "care" gets here. >> gene robinson, thank you so much. >> thank you, gene. sorry for showing you donny's biceps, as well. >> you're fix xated. >> a major shake-up in the obama administration a. member of the top economic team stepping down. >> can we do a single here? a lot of me. >> too much man? >> move on. >> the meat shot n. a couple of minutes, the july jobs report. we'll go live to erin burnett. but first, the weekend forecast with bill karins. >> donny lives by the motto of curls for the girls. you can tell that. look at what we're dealing with, tropical system out here in the atlantic. not causing any problems for the east coast this week. forecast through new england, looks good. 84 in hartford. 92 in d.c. through the weekend forecast,
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welcome back to "morning joe." with us now andy barr with a look at the morning playbook. good morning, andy. >> good morning, guys. >> how high will you be playing the story of donny and his
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biceps. >> moving to lead right now. >> banner headline. i think we have some more footage for you. >> stop it. >> very fix xated on my body. very disconcerting to me. >> i'm not -- >> i'm not going to the fitness center with you guys. let's put it that way. i don't know what will happen. >> not fixiated by you or your body but the grown man to wear a baby's t-shirt. >> it is not a baby -- it is a nice gap -- i can -- it is really not. actually, it is a size large. and i've been in a fitness regimen and you guys -- i would not be eating this. by the way, look at this. >> it is a grown girl's. >> you are so jealous. like to poll -- right now the females -- >> why does the label say oshkosh b' gosh? >> when you come work out with me. >> hold on, mr. aber congressman
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by and fitch. go ahead. >> let talk peter orszag that left. >> i'm concerned about the shirt, too. but she is leaving. she is going back to teach at uc berkeley. returning. she is leaving right after peter orszag announced he was leaving. the big faces of the finance all out. >> read anything into this, andy, or just done the stent and moved on in. >> i think she's just done her stebt and moved on. no word or rumor she is pushed out. >> we appreciate it. checking you out at politico today. up next, the big monthly jobs report. r first home loan. it was unbelievable how well it all fell together. we wanted to stay in our same neighborhood. kathy said, "well, let me give you rachel's number."
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welcome back to "morning joe." let's get a check on business before the opening bell with international superstar erin burnett live today on capitol hill. and she went to capitol hill, well, just because she did. and she's got -- we're not counting down the top three but the top two. ♪ number two >> you should have seen, joe, the numbers cross the wire. the market sort of up went like
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this. >> oh. >> why? >> straight down. july jobs. we lost 131,000 jobs in this country in the month of july. that's significantly more than had been expected but, joe, that counts all those census workers still. looking at private employers in america to see the job growth you saw a gain of 71,000. that is a little bit of a positive but overall the number weak and june revised to be worse than we thought originally. that's the concern. >> we have the president saying we won't have the double dip recession and seems to me good news this spring. slowed down some over the summer. is the street concerned that we may with headed towards another recession or just a slow, slow decade or two of growth? >> slow, slow, slow. you know, this week, joe, some of the data's been better than expected and we had reports ubs, bank of america saying double
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dip is off the table. every single ceo we speak with says that. when do they have to hire? that's the real crux of it. no, no one is calling for a double dip recession but as one trader e-mailed me, the numbers were rather awful. >> casey's counting them down to number one. what is your number one story? ♪ number one >> i want to cheer you up. >> i'm depressed with donny's t-shirt. >> what do you think of this? i want a female's perspective. >> no, no. >> i'm sorry. be honest. we go back a long way. >> all right. let me see it. i got issues. i have the delays on my feed. pop it up here so i can -- oh. >> oh god. this is killing me. >> erin, erin. >> where's the clicker? >> here's what i'm going to say about the shirt. it looks good, donny. i don't know that i would have worn it on tv. but, yes, you look good. >> this is what willie would say, it looks good on his
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2-year-old son. >> yeah. george. >> erin, do you sense any gel is any. >> not every man can wear a t-shirt and look like popeye. >> jealousy here? >> joe? >> what's number one? >> you talk about double dip and the worries. great analysis out of wells capital management. this recovery even though it's nothing to write home about, i don't want to oversell it, strongest recovery out of a recession in 25 years. in 1991, it took a full year for the economy to start ree yating any jobs. fw 2001, 21 months for our economy to start creating any jobs so now coming out of this we have had job creation over six months more than 500,000 jobs. not near enough to deal with the problem but looking on a map basis or growth, it is not thrilling recovery but better than any normal recovery. that's the silver lining. >> that's what i need.
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that's why we go to you. happy friday. thank you for the good news, erin. >> what's the bracelet? why wearing jewelry with the shirt? that concerns me. >> silly bandz my daughters gave me. >> joe, not only -- >> so you're wearing -- >> clothes but also their jewelry. >> yeah. child's jewelry. >> are you mocking me wearing my daughter gave me little gifts? mocking me? >> my 2-year-old son's t-shirt. thank you so much. do you have those illuminating sneakers that every time you walks lights up. >> ad moguls have feelings, also. i just want to say. >> thank you, erin. have a great weekend. say hi to your parents. the controversy. our next guest with close ties to the project. developer and plans, we'll get those details and cover donny up when we return.
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there's oil out there we've got to capture. my job is to hunt it down. i'm fred lemond, and i'm in charge of bp's efforts to remove oil from these waters. you may have heard that oil is no longer flowing into the gulf, but our spotter planes and helicopters will keep searching. we've still got thousands of vessels ready to clean up any oil we find. we've skimmed over 35 million gallons of oil/water mixture. i grew up on the gulf coast and i love these waters. we'll be here as long as it takes to clean up the gulf.
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maybe there's a third way. maybe we take the imam at his word when he says he's speaking to a progressive, moderate islam and approach him, leaders from left to right, on all sides of this issue approach him and say we support your right to do this. you are protected by our constitution to do this. we are simply saying that the impact you want to have, the objectives you say you're trying to meet will not be met by this. it is actually divisive what you are doing. why don't you relocate to another part of the city? we'll help you. we'll clear regulatory hurdles, raise money for lost time. don't do it here. >> we're here now with the president of the board for care, the council of american islamic relations in the new york chapter. thank you so much for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> you heard dan senor talk about this and i think a lot of
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people saying, great, everybody has a constitutional right. private citizens to build on private property. just don't build it a block and a half from where 3,000 americans died in a terrorist attack. >> right. >> what would you say? >> well, you know, i actually heard the owner of the property in an interview ask the same question. is there another building for sale five blocks away? i say he's not offered, for example, we want to give you a comparable property on museum mile. how's that? those options are not on the table. it is very hard to find good real estate in new york city. and he found a great piece of property and this is the dream building and what he is going to do. >> happens to be a couple of blocks away, though, from 9/11. let me ask you this. if mayor bloomberg and donny deutsch and other new york leaders came together and said, we found this great place in midtown where he can build a dream building and get more
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traffic through midtown, is that something they could possibly be on the table? >> i'll tell you what. you put that option in front of them, they have to make a decision. i think that's something they would probably consider. >> wow. >> no options are there. i won't speak for the owner but -- >> i have a lot of friends in real estate. many dear friends. i understand, that's just not true. >> what's not true? >> there aren't options for real estate in new york? >> he owns this property. he doesn't own any other property that's comparable. i want to touch on -- >> i want to because we wanted you to come on -- >> proximity. >> there's been a debate. talk about the proximity and talk, though, about the goal of preaching tolerance. >> right, right. >> talk about those. >> quickly about the proximity. to insue wait because it's a couple of blocks from ground zero 0 to say there's collective guilt here that american
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muslims, right, and islam was to blame for this. it isn't. and it wasn't. just the same way that, you know, we don't say don't build churches next to oklahoma city federal buildings. that's nothing we would say because it doesn't make any sense. the government and the way we structured our country, you know, we don't have collective guilt. >> right. >> this is a rule of law where everybody comes here wearing dreadlocks, wooden shoes or a turban. >> is that fair? >> that is very fair. my only question, once again, i don't think there's a debate, the right to do it, everything you're saying. i couldn't agree more. having said that, let's role play a little bit. i'm somebody that lost a father in the world trade center. >> right. >> emotionally, emotionally, i say, it just doesn't feel right s. that a ir relational response? >> no. people still talk about pearl
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harbor. december 7th i know as an immigrant that pearl harbor is sense theive to me. i say my country was attacked. i'm an american citizen. right? we're very sensitive to all of those things but we also have to say and be reminded that many muslims lost their lives in those buildings, as well. i know muslims that went as first responders including my wife who went down there. she built the triage, the makeshift triage centers and pharmacies on fire boats was on nypd, fdny fire boats to bring supplies to ground zero and there for 9/11, 9/12, and 9/13. she was thanked for order out of the chaos that was there. we're very, very sensitive to the issues and no one's talking about the fact that muslims are victims. those attackers, perpetrators of that attack on our nation do not represent american muslims and that could not be forgotten. >> muslims were killed in the attack, as well. willie? >> a talk of tolerance and
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tolerance goes both ways. obviously you have the legal right to do what's being done there. no one disputes that but what about tolerating the feelings of new yorkers? i mean, does that play at all into the decision of as donny said of people that died on that day? do you feel any obligation to those people and the emotions they feel? they say you can do it there. >> right. >> but should you do it there? >> that's a very good question. i think that they're going to put together a very fine, intelligent, diverse board of directors and a group to take those things into consideration when they start programming, you know, the exhibition spaces and lectures given there to talk about diversity, pluralism and tolerance. you know, these are conversations that must be had. >> and those conversations will be had inside the mosque. >> absolutely. >> which by the way, let me just say since 9/11 i have been saying and a lot of other conservative commentators have
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been saying when are muslim leaders going to step up and start demanding tolerance in their own faith, in their own ranks? there was a fear after 9/11. but you say that's going on here. >> you know, that's really funny because someone said a rabbi from a washington, d.c.-based interfaith company said recently, you know, you ask for moderate voices to come forward and then you attack them. >> right. >> that's what they did to this imam. new york city is mainstream with islam. they're very mainstream. this guy's considered left of the mainstream. i consider myself moderate and mainstream. i consider him left of where i'm at. >> really quickly, though, a lot of questions of where money and financing is come from. will that be made public? >> to me that question is an absolute riot f. you go through the process, right, and the thing that really kills me is that there are some -- there are
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some gop candidates in the gubernatorial race hanging their hat and campaign on the fact that they want to know where this money is coming from. have they conceded the campaigns already? they would have to be out of their mind to do something stupid with the fbi and the world watching them. it will be the right thing. >> will we know? >> of course the right thing. >> and where did the $100 million come from? >> it's not raised yet. right now they're infrastructure building. >> okay. very good. thank you for coming. >> my pleasure. >> this conversation's going to stay with us. we hope you'll be back. >> thanks. >> willie's week in review straight ahead. brushing leaves teeth looking clean, but millions of plaque and gingivitis germs are left behind. a 30-second rinse with listerine® antiseptic cleans deeper. [ boom! ] its unique penetrating formula destroys germs [ boom! ] brushing leaves behind. [ sighs ]
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didn't make the cut. the landmark decision on gay marriage, the controversy at the mosque near ground zero and the confirmation of a woman to supreme court. they just weren't quite important enough for the top three stories of the week. >> it's been a fast process. i want to get married soon just so we can live together and be together all the time. >> at number three, is nothing sacred? >> we stand up and we say, oh, no, you don't. >> three short weeks after levi and bristol made believers of all announcing they're engaged in the paid appearance of a supermarket magazine, their american love story ended suddenly and without warning. >> i wanted to do it, i did it
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and i feel so much better about it. >> bristol broke off the engagement this week telling a different magazine she was played by levi. >> is your face getting red? >> last straw came apparently when ricky hollywood was caught in the lie he had to leave bristol behind in alaska to catch a hunting show in hollywood. which is, of course, a mecca for arms-bearing sportsman. >> i am too choked up to talk about it. i am shattered. i don't want to talk about it. it's horrible. >> number two, that time of year again. >> brett favre has retired. i know. we're all going to remember where we were when we heard the news. i was watching highlight tapes of his last three retirements. >> this week, brett favre began the summer ritual of toying with the emotions of middle-aged men leaving them to prospect lonely
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fall sundays without his scruffy embrace. >> not to anyone? >> no. >> the 40-year-old quarterback kept the media, the fans and his own team guessing about whether or not he will retire as he did last season and the season before that. >> i hope that every -- >> all right. pull yourself together, brett fafr. am i saying that right? >> brett fafr. >> number one story of the week. coke'd up monkeys. nevada republican senate candidate sharon angle struck a devastating blow to the hopes of harry reid this week by successfully linking him to coke'd up monkeys. >> harry reid has some plans for some rocks. >> she suggested that by supporting the stimulus bill, senator reid also was supporting the provision for cocaine research through the time-tested
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very prominent. oh, just stop it! no! don't show that shot. >> way too early. it is way too early. >> it's casual friday. okay? >> you wear that every day, casual friday. >> oh. >> what what are we doing now? >> can't take it away fast enough. >> shameless. stop it! >> me oi gosh. get away! you know, you bring up a great point. we talk about you wearing my kid's t-shirt. look at barnicle. he is dressed like -- >> hey. >> to motivate you guys, i'll do push-ups throughout the close. >> oh my lord. >> don't mind me. >> what did you learn today? >> juicy couture is not just for teenage girls anymore. >> we have to stop this right now. >> i learned -- >> come on. >> i

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