tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC October 20, 2010 11:00pm-12:00am EST
>> and we're out of time. that's october 20th, it's the 2,279th day since president bush declared mission accomplished in iraq and the 184th day of the deepwater horizon disaster in the gulf. i'm keith olbermann. leave a message after the beep. good night and good luck. and now why it's so hard to find out what's funding what this election season, ladies and gentlemen, at the sound of the tone, here's rachel maddow. boop. >> beep! >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much, keith. someone's going to do a deep analysis of the imagined sounds of our answering machine beeps. >> i was reading the beep and you were performing. you're an artiste. >> thank you, keith. thanks for staying with us, where i will explain where and how i'm trying to win a date with george w. bush, a very specific kind of date.
and a very much more serious note, i will show you the flyers that our show has obtained today. they're flyers that stopped our staff editorial meeting in its tracks this afternoon, cast a hush over the room, and caused us to change our whole lineup for the night. these are exclusive images that have never before been seen on television. they're coming up at the back half. along with a clip of "the assassination of dr. tiller." that documentary premieres on monday. you'll get your first sneak preview of what that documentary is tonight ppt. we begin tonight with one of the side effects of newshounditis. when you follow politics in the news closely, when you get more google alert notices than spam notices about the little blue pills. when you spend more time reading about the elections, you have days when things in the news rub you the wrong way. like this.
you know, randy moss no longer knows how to catch a football. but winning games anyway now as a motivational speaker. there are also times you don't necessarily disagree with the news, but it seems like whoever's writing the headlines, whoever's writing the leads is just missing the point. there was this headline in politico today, obama's white working class problem. at "the new york times" yesterday, the headline was, "democrats' grip on the south continues to slip." that was the headline yesterday in "the new york times." the article saying that the democratic party "is facing a situation where its only safe presence in the south is in urban and predominantly black districts." so this is this spin cycle's political diagnosis of what's going on in the elections. president obama has a white voter problem.
that's what we're hearing now. white people just aren't voting for democrats like they used to. and that is one way to tell that story. but, you know, if you just turn the telescope around the other way, looking at the same thing, but just turn the telescope the other way, the other way to tell this story, the flip side of democrats are losing the white vote is, boy, oh, boy, republicans sure are locking up the white vote this year. the republican party is sure securing, in particular, that white working class vote. last night on this show, we talked about what we think of as the southern strategy 2.0. the apparent calculation that it mathematically and strategically makes sense to really overtly offend minorities, to turn the minority vote against you, almost deliberately, because if by doing that, you may lose that smaller number of votes for minority voters, but you may also lock up solidly a larger number of white voters. and so you get candidates who send around really, really, really racest jokes and videos, right, carl paladino?
or you get candidates who run virulently anti-latino ads and then that same candidate makes a comment like this to latino high school students. >> i don't know that all of you are latino. some of you look a little more asian to me. >> the intimatable sharron angle speaking this week at a nevada high school to that school's hispanic students' association. the only way the math makes sense for a strategy like this, though, is if you take out, i guess you think of it downside insurance. you have to be sure that in locking up the white vote, which is the thing you're trying for, particularly in locking up the white scared vote, you have to sort of protect your downside. you have to make sure that you don't accidentally turn out too many voters on the other side to vote against you. too many many voters who are out to vote against you, in part because of the way that you are campaigning. how do you do that? to answer that question this year, i would like to introduce you to sharon maroni. you have probably never seen her
before nor have you ever heard of her, but here is why at least this year she should probably be famous. sharon maroni helped put together a petition demanding that president obama resign from office for unnamed high crimes and misdemeanors. she claimed in this court filing that president obama is not a citizen and therefore secretly not really the president. "is mr. obama a natural born citizen? the truth is he's subjectively self-certified to be legally qualified. he is the only one with proof of his affirmation and has refused to enter that proof into the public record." she'll be choosing who will work as poll watchers for the great state of illinois, part of a stop voter fraud crusade in the state of illinois. an initiative that's dispatching people to oversee the polls on election day. and the birther lady, sharon maroni, is one of the people who for the initiative will be choosing who gets dispatched to watch the polls.
asked by mother jones for a comment about her role in this year's elections in illinois, ms. maroni referred all questions to the director of the illinois state committee. think about that a second. just for a second, right? it's not just the birthers taking it upon themselves to police the polls this year, it's the birthers working with a major political party and referring all questions about their role as birther poll watchers to the republicans. last week the illinois republican running for president obama's old senate seat, mark kirk, was caught on tape discussing his campaign's plans for election day. he said that he will be deploying people to very specific districts in chicago. districts with large minority populations. to, you know, watch over things. >> these are lawyers and other people that will be deployed in key vulnerable precincts. for example, south of west side of chicago, rockford, metro east.
where the other side might be tempted to jigger the numbers somewhat. >> democratic senate candidate alexi giannoulias who is running against mark kirk took mr. kirk to task for that at a debate last night. >> i think it's clear what happened. he got -- congressman kirk got caught on tape saying that he wants to put, quote, voter integrity programs in what areas? on the south side, on the west side of chicago, parts of rockford, in areas of st. louis, and then he calls in the same goons and thugs that are responsible for what took place in florida in 2000. there's no voter integrity and i'll tell you why his comments are not true. because there's never been an accusation of fraud on the west and south side of chicago. at a time when we should be encouraging people to vote, you're trying to suppress the african-american vote and that's unacceptable. it's dangerous. >> if this sounds familiar, it's because this is not a new tactic. this is not novel. this is how it's done. this is the downside insurance if you are going to pursue a
strategy that tries to lock up as many white votes as you can and sort of expenses out minority votes. you don't have to wait until election day to see tactics like this in action. early voting's already gone in states across the country, including texas, where there are also early reports of voter intimidation in and around houston. >> the county attorney says it's received numerous accounts about overzealous poll watchers at several heavily minority early voting locations, including here at cashmere gardens, where a poll watcher told us he was recruited by true the vote, an organization that proclaims rooting out voter fraud as its main goal. >> houston is in harris county. that's where a tea party group calling itself the king street patriots launched this anti-voter fraud project that they call true the vote. this project includes sending people to the polls to watch people in districts that happen to be mostly minority districts,
to watch people casting their ballots there. the true the vote king street patriots who are organizing these election watchers put together a video about supposed election fraud. it originally contained a doctored picture of an african-american voter holding a sign that said, "i only got to vote once." the sign that they took that from originally said, "don't mess with our vote," they remade it to say, "i only got to vote once." up in wisconsin, we've also found that 75 billboards have popped up from madison to milwaukee. big billboards that warn "voter fraud is a felony: we voted illegally." we being the people standing there behind bars. in minnesota, a coalition of tea party group and other conservative groups will lead voter surveillance teams at polling places on election day. this isn't new. this is how it's done. joining us now is eugene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning
columnist for "the washington post," and of course, an msnbc contributor. also the author of the new book "disintegration: the splintering of black america." mr. robinson, thank you so much for being here. >> great to be here, rachel. >> i feel like it's -- this happens to be a greater or lesser degree in every election, at least recently, that you see voter suppression efforts targeting minority districts. do you feel like we are seeing anything fresh and new about it this year? or is this the same old thing? >> no, this is the same old thing, basically. only thing that might be fresh and new is the -- some of the people who are behind it call themselves tea party activists. that designation is new, but the fact of attempts at voter suppression is not new at all. in fact, it's been a tenant of republican party strategy far long, long time. and also an element of right-wing mythology. and just judging from my e-mail,
there are -- some people out on the right wing who actually believe that there are some sort of sinister left-wing organizations out there plotting day and night to commit to voter fraud and, you know, despite the evidence that there is no evidence, that there are no cases, that it doesn't happen. nonetheless, mythology, i guess, doesn't have to have evidence to go with it. >> well, it's interesting to see the way that the mythology, i guess, plays out. this group, this true the vote group in texas, they have maintained that the headquarters of a get out the vote effort in houston is also secretly the headquarters of the new black panther party, which, of course, has as its goals the extermination of all white people through voter fraud by two guys who braid their beard hair. >> yes, yes. >> but it's such an obscure --
it's such an obscure piece of mythology that it's very easily traceable. i mean, that's a fox news mean that's been pushed there exclusively really for a year. is it worth fighting back against those things, or do you just assume that everybody who watches fox is going to believe that stuff? >> no. i think you fight back against it. i mean, take the example of the, quote, new black panther party, end quote. i put it in quotes, because it's not an organization. it's a few, you know, crazy guys, fox ran over and over again, that same several-second clip of those same two guys at the polling place. what is fascinating is the receptivity. that audience was receptive to that repeated clip and to that mythology of a new black panther party that presents some sort of grave danger to the nation when nothing of the sort exists. nobody has ever heard of this group and it's not really much of a group at all.
and the interest thing, i think, is that it strikes a chord among people who think they are taking over the country, that they, i guess, being minorities, and being people other than my kind of people. and i think that's the same spirit that's behind the take our country back signs at the tea party rallies and stuff like that. and so if they're taking the country by the sinister method of voting, they must be doing it illegitimately, because voting is a good thing, and we can't oppose that. so they must be cheating somehow. >> gene, briefly, last question, it seems like the way to fight voter intimidation is obviously to protect voters from vigilanteism and to protect voters from organized effort to suppress or intimidate -- to suppress their vote or intimidate them from going to the poll and actually casting their votes, to make sure all the votes are cast. that's the technical way to do it. the bigger political way to do
it is to do everything you can to promote turnout, particularly of minority voters. do you think that democrats this year are focusing on that with appropriate intensity? >> they certainly are right now. and they should have been a few months ago, but president obama was in philadelphia, gave a speech to a mostly black crowd, and for good reason. a big turnout in philadelphia can decide the sestak/toomey race. a big turnout in chicago can decide the current giannoulias race. so there's a lot at stake here. and if democrats can increase minority turnout, we can really have some surprises on november 2nd. >> eugene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist, and his new book is "disintegration: the splintering of black america." thank you so much. >> thank you, rachel. i'm so the super big on online contests.
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with fewer than two weeks to go until the election, we have been talking a lot on this show about political strategy, about how democrats and republicans are running against each other this year. but now with the election very fast approaching -- yay -- we are getting a clearer picture of how the candidates are actually doing. s that that's because new polling this week is putting these races into much sharper focus. some of what's being revealed is not at all expected at this point. take a look at this, for example. in colorado, democratic senator michael bennett is now within strikes distance of republican ken buck. he's down only three points in a
poll by reuters. as lately as august, that poll had buck up by nine from bennett. in wisconsin, the latest numbers from a wisconsin public radio survey also have democratic senator russ feingold closing the gap. he now trails ron johnson by only two points. last week, this exact same poll had mr. feingold down by seven. in kentucky, the latest poll from bennett pets and normington has the democrat in the race, jack conway, now leading the republican senate nominee, rand paul, 49% to 47%. now, of course, the democratic party is delighted about this poll. the caveat is that the poll had a small sample size, only 600 people. but still it shows jack overran paul by two. over in west virginia, a new poll from o'ryan strategies gives the democratic governor there a ten-point lead over the republican, john raese, in that
senate race. nate silver of the excellent 538 blog at "the new york times" predicts that governor joe manchin's chances of winning that senate race is about up five points from last week. they have yet to crunch the numbers from the rest of these senate races. overall, nate sliver wrote on monday that the democrats in his view remain favored to retain the senate. nate silver now, at least this week, giving the republicans only a 17% chance of reaching a majority in the united states senate. everything could, of course, still change. we're still just under two weeks out, but that's where we stand, with lots of unexpected numbers in lots of races. but if anything, the tightening poll numbers should lead us to expect this much. be prepared for a long night after polls close on november 2nd. a long, thrilling, "i won't mind pulling an all-nighter because i so love this stuff" kind of night. ♪
hey. good news. we finally found out who the concerned taxpayers of america are. do you remember laughing woman carrying her son standing in front of trees? and remember happy family? they were the istockphoto.com models whose pictures were posted at the website of concerned families of america to show that that group contains citizens from every walk of life and political affiliation. if you live in southwest oregon and you saw one of the anti-democrat political ads that
concerned taxpayers of america blanketed that district with and you wanted to know who was spending more than $150,000 in that district to try to unseat incumbent democrat peter depassio, well, the website of concerned taxpayers of america would have of no help to you. it has no donor names, no information, just these very pretty stock photos. when i interviewed the beneficiary of those ads, the republican running against peter defazio, before we got to the part of the interview about aides being a government conspiracy and him thinking that nuclear radiation is good for you and nuclear waste should be sprinkled over the oceans, i asked him if he knew who was spending all that money in his district on his behalf. he said he had no idea. joining us for the interview tonight is art robinson. mr. robinson, thank you very much for your time, sir. >> thank you for yours. >> am i correct in saying that you really have no idea whose funding this $150,000 ad buy that promotes your candidacy?
>> that's correct. >> single last normal moment in the interview. now, however, we know who was funding it. the concerned taxpayers of america funding the giant $150,000 ad campaign in oregon for the radiation is good for you guy. turns out is it just one concerned taxpayer of america. just one guy. one guy who runs a hedge fund who lives more than 2,500 miles away from that congressional district in oregon. he lives in long island, new york. he appears to have nothing to do whatsoever with oregon, but he does run one of the most successful hedge funds on wall street. and now thanks to the miracle of modern campaign finance laws, that hedge fund manager is personally individually bankrolling a massive ad campaign against the democratic member of congress who hedge fund managers everywhere know as the sponsor of last year's let wall street pay for the restoration of main street act. an act that would have imposed a
fee on the types of high-tech, high-risk, highly opaque securities transactions that have made people who run hedge funds like renaissance technologies lots and lots and lots and lots of money. so much money that this one guy in particular can afford a $2 million train set half the size of a basketball court in his house. so much money that he can personally spend enough to make the "radiation is good for you, nuclear waste, aids is a conspiracy" guy conceivably have a shot in this election in oregon. launder enough money and you can make even art robinson look like congressional material. there is nothing wrong with being richer than god. there is nothing wrong being richer than god and wanting to represent challengers for congress. but before this year, nobody would have thought it was normal or feasible or even conceivable that an individual person could give an individual $156,000 donation to an individual candidate is what this amounts to.
does that make you feel less inclined or more inclined to donate that $25 that your local candidate hit you up for. joining us tonight is frank rich. always a pleasure to have you here. >> great to see you. >> seems to me like the two big stories of these elections are extremism in candidates running for office and funding, unrestrained massive funding of campaigns. are the extremism issue and funding issue related? >> maybe to some extent, because you have this unallowed pouring of millions of dollars by billionaires often or hedge fund people or oil people into sometimes crazy candidates, sometimes less crazy candidates, but it shows that they'll basically take anyone who will be a tool for their corporate interests once that congressman or senator is in washington. they seem to be completely indiscriminate, so there's no bar at all. just any extremist can receive this money from someone
respectable or semirespectable. >> so people say, disclosure is the issue, means you can weigh these people's interests against the other interests that might balance them out. but if one guy is spending $156,000 to spend ads for one guy for whatever quirky reason, disclosure will go some distance towards highlighting the absurdity of that, but doesn't really balance it out. >> no. it's sort of the manchurian candidate, but run by money. and of course, we don't even have disclosure in a lot of cases. it's amazing here that actually in this district, we know. but a lot of this money is secret. so it's the worst of both worlds, it seems to me. >> i'd also like to get your reaction to reporting by your paper, by "the new york times," and by think progress about the koch brothers. it's like a liberal fantasy about the way the right wing works. they're conveing these oil billionaire brothers, right, convening secret strategy meetings for conservative zillionaires twice yearly.
that doesn't seem that interesting to me. what's interesting is that supreme court justices samuel -- excuse me, clarence thomas and antonin scalia are listed as past-attendees at these bi-annual meetings. is that a weird thing for supreme court justices? >> i think it is if that's partisan. of course supreme court justices have a right to hear ideological speakers, but if you're going to events sponsored by two of the richest people in the country, according to the forbes list, who, by the way, are involved with lost of funding, including some that's at the root of the tea party movement under, again, kind of cloudy organizations with very benign names, i think it's a conflict of interest, potentially. but, of course, in clarence thomas now, between him and ginni thomas, it's like -- it's a full menu of conflicts of interest, you know, making weird calls to anita hill and all the
rest of it. >> do you think that ginni thomas being so overtly involved in the tea party movement itself presents potential conflicts of interest for justice thomas, or is it narrowly -- is any potential conflict narrowly about whether or not she has received funding from anybody who has interests before the court? >> i think the funding issue is important, because, you know, you can't -- spouse is not chattel, so ginni thomas is entitled to have whatever views she wants politically. but if she's involved with organizations that spend money in the political arena, you have a problem. and what's really depressing about that, if that exists, who's going to adjudicate that? >> there's no appeal. >> so it just hanging there. i find that very depressing. >> we have a new documentary airing on monday about extremism and violence. it's about the murder of dr. george tiller last year. i've been thinking a lot, not just about extremism in politics, but about culture war
issues too, like abortion and also gay rights and sex ed and prayer in schools and all of these things that feel very early '90s again. do you feel like we are in for another round of big early '90s-style culture war fighting? >> i think to some extent, and again, like the early '90s, connected in some cases to gun and to the militia. and you know, we now have reports from the fbi, we have a times magazine investigation, all of the extreme right-wing stuff is on the rise. and invariably, some of it it's like culture issues like abortion and gay rights, but some of it's also just crazy anti-government, which is in some ways scarier, because it's so amorphous and it just really targets the fundamental rule of law as an enemy. >> yeah. frank rich, "new york times" columnist, always a really welcome guest here. thank you for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> good to see you. coming up in a few minutes, we have a preview, a clip of our new documentary, a preview we are showing here tonight for the first time ever. we are already, i will tell you,
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earlier today in the rachel maddow show offices, before i put any sort of product in my hair whatsoever -- okay, ken, just confirm for me, we asked george w. bush for an interview like a news show, like normal people do, but with we're not getting it. >> that's not going to happen. >> do you think this facebook thing might really work? >> we don't know unless we try. >> but ultimately, he's the decider. he's never going to pick us. >> the facebook people will decide the first round of this. so you should try it. go ahead. >> we have good questions. you put this on the blog yesterday and people have given us good suggestive questions. do you think we should test run them? >> go ahead. >> can you -- should i -- can you please define compassionate conservative and define how exactly your policies as president displayed these ideals. >> that's good. >> i think that's good.
i bet he really wants to talk about. do you think that sarah palin has the skills, experience, and qualifications necessary to be president of the united states of america? i think it's a good question, but i totally know what he's going to say. >> everyone wants to know that. >> but what's he going to say, no? have you successfully eaten a pretzel in the last eight years? >> i want to know that one first. >> i know! but that one has to be towards the end. this one, i actually -- i am -- this is the one that i'm most legitimately curious about. >> okay. >> we have heard you pronounce the word n-u-c-l-e-a-r as nuclear before, but most of the time, you chose to say it nuke-leer. why choose to say it more often like that? i honestly want to know. is it prove that cheney protected himself by embedding his entire torso with gems and gold?
>> that's what i want to know. i hear that every day. every day. >> are we still taking more suggestions on the blog? >> absolutely, yeah. >> all right. deadline's tomorrow. we can do this, right? >> can we?! we're going to get this. >> thank you, ken. >> we're going to get this! >> all right. this is a real thing. president bush is hosting a contest on facebook. the winner of the contest gets to fly to texas to interview him. to enter, we have to submit five questions for him in the comment section of his facebook page before 5:00 p.m. central time tomorrow. they pick 100 finalists who get to submit a two-minute video, then the top five videos -- how do they pick the top five -- get posted on his facebook wall. facebook users then get to vote for the winner and the winner gets round-trip airfare to dallas to go interview president george w. bush. which is definitely the only way i will ever get to interview george w. bush. okay? so, we are starting with "is it true that dick cheney protected himself by embedding his entire
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recently we have been covering on this show the tension between extremism and electoral politics. the role that politicians can play in mainstreaming even violently radical politics. in the course of that coverage, i made a brief reference two nights ago to steve stockman. he was a conservative politician elected in 1994. that was the last time we had our first midterm elections after a new democratic president was inaugurated. now, i mentioned steve stockman on monday's show, but it's not the first time we have discussed him and his record on this program. back in 1995, on the morning of the oklahoma city bombing, just after the explosion, a member of
congress named steve stockman, republican of texas, was sent a fax touting the bombing. he was sent that fax by somebody in the militia movement. mr. stockman later turned that fax over to the fbi. he was never implicated in any way in the bombing itself, but there is a reason that the militia movement trusted a member of congress enough to go to him with that. mr. stockman had, for example, written an article in "guns & am moe" magazine claiming what happened at waco was a government conspiracy to, quote, prove the need for a ban on assault weapons. mr. stockman peddled conspiracies he got from the militia movement about the government planning a takeover, the government planning attacks, paramilitary attacks on american citizens. when i mentioned former congressman steve stockman again on this show monday night, i misstated the details of that true account you just heard. on monday, i said that his notice from the militia movement about the oklahoma city bombing was advance notice. it wasn't in advance, it was right after the bombing.
i apologize for the misstatement. it was an editing error and it was mine alone. to all the bloggers that are extremely angry with me for making that mistake and who will now be extremely angry with me for airing that correction. let me say this to you guys, thank you. thank you for showing such enthusiasm for discussing guys like steve stockman and getting the details right. if people talked more about the steve stockmans of the world and about anti-government extremism and what having anti-government extremists in control of this country was like the last time, i think that would be good for us as a country. i am sorry for the error. and thanks, you guys.
this is a wanted poster. a wanted poster that was distributed by anti-abortion forces targeting a doctor named david gunn. it lists the color, the make, the model of the car he drives, lists his exact license plate number. lists the office address where he works. it describes dr. gunn physically, quote, 45 to 50 years old with curly gray hair, approximately 5'8" tall, weighs approximately 135 to 150 pounds, he walks with a noticeable limp. in other words, the poster is giving everything you need to know to find this guy. it then describes him responsible for killing children at two specific dresses in pensacola, florida. after this wanted poster was distributed, dr. david gunn was shot and killed by an anti-abortionist extremist. that was in march of 1993.
you'll recognize the same basic idea behind this poster for dr. george wayne paterson. it describes him as of'1" tall and 185 to 200 pounds, the make and model of the car, his medical license numbers in florida and alabama. this doctor, george paterson, owned the claim where dr. gunn had been paterson. dr. paterson himself was murdered five months after dr. gunn was killed. when "the new york times" reported on dr. paterson's killing, they got a comment from an activist called paul hill. he says, the killing has stopped, so it had the desired result. the desired result, the doctor's dead. less than a year after giving that quote to "the new york times," paul hill himself shot and killed, yet another doctor who provided abortions. a man named dr. george britton. want to see the wanted posters
the movement put out for dr. britton. it provides his exact home address, his office address, a description of his vehicle including a license plate number, and a physical description of him, 6'2", 190 to 200 pounds, gray hair, race, why is, age, 68. they show him in a bulletproof vest, in case you want help on aiming, i suppose. and on another version of the wanted poster, you see photos of his home, his office, his car. this version of the poster lists what the extreme anti-abortion activists who distributed call his crimes against humanity. that doctor, john britton, murdered by paul hill. these wanted posters were distributed and then he was murdered by an anti-abortion extremist too. they be there's dr. george tiller. here's a wanted poster with dr. tiller's name and face on it. this was distributed after dr. tiller was shot the first time in 1993. dr. tiller worked in witchta. they have turned it into this poster into "auschwitchta." get it?
it says, mr. tiller says he is a christian, caution. adolf hitler said, i am a servant of jesus christ. they describe one of the aliases here as "tiller the killer." you may have heard that on fox news and bill o'reilly's show in particular. then the wanted poster gives the exact dress of dr. tiller's office where he was shot in 1993 after this poster was circulated. where the wanted poster reads, an equal opportunity executioner, i don't know whether the designers and distributors of this poster were referring to dr. tiller himself, or describing themselves or the people they would like to execute him, because they wanted to take matters into their own hands. this dr. tiller wanted poster went up before dr. tiller was shot in 1993. dr. tiller was not killed in that shooting. that didn't happen until last year. but this pattern of wanted posters going up and then the doctors featured in the wanted posters getting shot or murdered, it's a
well-established pattern in the extreme anti-abortion movement. and i kind of can't believe i am telling you this right now, but it is happening again, now. we have exclusively obtained three wanted posters from the charlotte, north carolina, area. we have blurred the names and addresses of the doctors featured in these posters as well as their faces. three of the four doctors being targeted are pictured on their wanted posters. just like in the early '90s when abortion doctors are being killed, these new ones provide in addition to color photos the exact address of where these doctors practice. and in at least one case, the exact home address of the doctor in question. this is happening right now in north carolina. this is the climate that these doctors are living in in america. we're told by contacts working in north carolina that these wanted posters first turned up very shortly after dr. george tiller was murdered last year. we have a documentary set to air on monday night about dr. tiller's murder, about how it happened and why it happened. as we were finishing up making the documentary, we learned that
a federal grand jury is now investigating whether there wasn't just one anti-abortion extremist acting alone in the murder of dr. george tiller, but whether the killing was connectinged to a broader case involving radical anti-abortion activists. in our continued reporting on this story, we have found that there is a lot of anxiety among abortion providers in america right now because many of them believe that there is a network of anti-abortion extremists at work. and as long as that network they believe is supporting the murder of abortion doctors is not dismantled, as long as only the shooter himself is apprehended and identified, they feel that they are just waiting for another murder. we've got an exclusive first-time ever anywhere preview for you of a scene from our new documentary coming up in just a moment. plus, the pre-action from the far edge of the anti-abortion movement in this country. they are very upset about it. even though they haven't seen it yet. that's next. and asked to try it out and then answer a few questions. the biggest thing was that it's effortless. you stick it and forget it. by not putting in the dryer sheet,
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should i says rape victim should be forced to have the baby. >> if a girl is raped by a relative, angle said they should just mick -- >> a lemon situation into lemonade. >> i'm pro-life and i'll answer the next question. i don't believe in the exception. rape or incest. >> are we ready to outlaw abortion even in cases of rape or incest? colorado is no police for ken buck's extreme ideas. >> she would make abortion a crime. carly fear 18a. just too extreme for california. >> over the last few days, we have highlighted democrats committing politics on an issue that common wisdom says they are not supposed to commit politics on. hitting opponent for extreme anti-abortion positions. now the extreme anti-abortion lobby is up with an out of its own. a group calling itself person hood usa is out with a web ad
urging people to vote with an amendment in colorado because, wait for it. because barack obama is the angel of death. you know, of course. voting for this anti-abortion. do you see how secretly reapery he is? abortion politics are turning out to be a big deal in this year's elections because the slate of republican candidates for high office, if they are elected, will main stream a position on abortion that was previously held only by the very, very far edge of the anti-abortion movement. the government forcing rape victims and incest victims to have the baby that is the result of rape or of incest. like the angel of death ad shows, shining a political spotlight positions this far out in the anti-abortion movement can get very in your face and even very strange very quickly on.
monday night we are debuting our new msnbc documentary. it is called the assassination of dr. tiller. this week the always blunt and never in doubt folk at operation rescue put out a press release advertising our documentary. it is a press release that includes images of cut-up body parts on the press release. this is how they want to promote their appearance in a documentary about a murdered doctor. the people at operation rescue say they are very mad in advance about the documentary even though they have not seen any of it yet. we are very much looking forward to every one including them getting a chance to judge the documentary for itself. here for the first time ever, for the first time any somewhere a brief preview. >> can you tell the jury what kind of led up to your conversion, if you will? >> yes. i had been watching the 700 club regularly. a christian program. i was alone in my living room. and that day i needle down and i did accept christ as my savior.
>> he discovered the pro-life movement. i don't think he really had given abortion a thought up until '92 or '93. >> what are your feelings on the practice of abortion? >> from conception forward, it is murder. it is not man's job to take life or -- it is our heavenly father's. >> that's when he began to meet people. it was shortly after that he started talking about paul hill. and how he had killed a doctor in florida. and that was great. that was wonderful. >> around the same time, roeder began reaching out to rishl shannon, the imprisoned ant abortion extreme heist had attempted to murder dr. tiller in 1993. >> he started talking about how it was murder. that these doctors were murdering babies. if they're going to murder the babies, we're going to murder them. if they kill, then they should be killed.
it was hard to live with. nick went to school one morning. i went to work. i came home and scott was gone. the money was gone. his clothes were gone. he was just gone. >> after leaving his family, roeder gets involved with an anti-government militia known as the montana freemen. >> he focused all the rage that he had upon the abortion issue and he chose dr. tiller as his target. >> reporter: one day he approaches eddie, a member of the freemen, with a proposition. >> he came over and pulled me aside and said would you help me assassinate this doctor. i said absolutely not. we don't go around snuffing out doctors. not at this time anyway. knowing scott, what he would do is sit and pray about the situation. i could almost their prayer he would say. lord, make me an instrument of your destruction.