tv Morning Joe MSNBC August 31, 2011 6:00am-9:00am EDT
my tweet is, this is written by jeff from chicago. i'm awake because of peter's unruly eyebrow hair. thanks. "morning joe" begins right now. >> we have to have some perspective here. people are upset about traffic and power not being on. i get that. let them come and see what we saw today. those people had their homes destroyed, their belongings destroyed. they have to start their lives over. if you see that, you can do without power for another day or so in the grand scheme of things. >> wow. live shot of patterson, new jersey. patterson where the water is still way over bank levels and obviously a big problem across the state. you heard from the governor saying if you don't have power,
that is the least of the problems in this state right now. a lot of people still in a lot of pain this morning. good morning, it's wednesday, august 31st. with us on set, mike barnicle. how are you, mike? >> i'm okay. >> that's good. we have peter alexander. >> that's big. that's big. >> back from the vacation of a life -- >> where do you think he went? >> i knew when i didn't see donny all summer he was unlike us. >> morroco. you have had a remarkable summer. >> south of france. >> i'm not going to complain. i have been fighting back problems. mike, talk to me about the ageing process.
>> oh, honey. it's an empowering speech. >> all i told you was to check the date of birth on your drivers license. >> you have been on your back, not able to move. >> it's all right. everybody has problems. i miss you guys and i watch religiously and take notes. >> when i had back problems, they shot me full of steroids and i was out to here. >> are you still on them? >> ha, ha, ha. i don't remember 2004. it was the summer i loved. they wheeled me on to the set the night of the elections. i could not walk. long story. they had to lift me up and like put me down on the chair.
it's the first time i have been out of bed in four months. valium and vodka and vicodin. >> that's no problem. >> it will wipe you out. you get back pain and you have had it. i had it for a very long time. >> it's bad. >> talk about debilitating. i remember waking up one new year's day. i couldn't walk. it's unbelievable. >> that's good. we're done now. >> you are cold. >> i'm not cold. mike, the yankees, i didn't stay up last night but the yankees beat the red sox. >> 5-2. red sox left 19 men on base. >> they did not. >> 19. 19. >> who choked the most. who left the most men on base?
>> actually -- >> what batter let us down? >> agon and ortiz. >> they can do it every time. >> look at that. there's the moment. crossing home plate, collapses right in front of the catcher. ouch! drills him in the back. >> that's not showing him up. it's back pain is what it is. >> you don't put the lead-off man on and not by throwing at him. >> august baseball. >> guys? >> the sox and yankees tied or are we one up? >> half a game up. >> doesn't matter. roy halladay, two hits in seven
innings. i don't want to face them. >> yankees pick. >> you never know what's going to happen. you never know. mika are you doing all right? >> yes, i do. wasting time. >> rick perry, by the way. >> this is big. >> we called him a dimestore conservative several weeks ago. we have these in the south. people that were democrats, democrats, democrats were in charge of the south. then when republicans became in charge, we felt it happen. they all went from being liberal to being conservative. here is a guy that ran al gore's campaign in 1980. there's a democrat like most people in the south. i was always conservative. this guy runs al gore's campaign and then he writes a letter to hillary clinton in 1993 -- >> a love letter.
>> a love letter. hi, hillary, i'm behind you. this is what happens. you elect people like this, he's not a real conservative. i tell you, i was around in 1993, i ran in '94 because of what happened in 1993. you can't be, at his age for hillary care in 1993 and become the tea party -- let's succeed from the union. this happens all the time. go across the southeast and there are dimestore conservatives from texas down to south florida that seriously, whoever is in power at the time, they are the ones right out front. for rick perry to say he's a small government tea party man, you know what, dog gone it, let's succeed from the union and let's shut down fema. in 1993 when the guy was in his 50s or however old he was, he
was for hillary care. >> well. he's open minded. >> he's evolving. now we have mitt romney. this is mitt romney who had his own health care fun in massachusetts. now, he's running to dismantle what the obama team designed their health care around. we have that choice or rick perry who ran al gore's campaign and who sent love letters to hillary clinton. by the way, this wasn't a question for conservatives or moderate republicans. everybody knew in 1993 this was a disaster. rick perry, he supported it. >> le's tell people who happened here. >> i'm sticking with bill clinton's definition. it's a good looking rascal. >> rascal. a presidential candidate. >> this is so rich. >> governor rick perry is
fighting back after this story that emerged yesterday that he wasn't sent a letter to hillary clinton about her efforts for health care reform during her husband's administration. in that 1992 letter, he wrote, quote, i think your efforts in trying to reform the nation's health care system are most commendable. i would like to request the task force get particular consideration, the needs of the farmers, ranchers, agricultural workers and other members of rural communities with a high proportion of uninsured people, rising health care costs. >> he's for the universal mandate, too. >> efforts are worthy. i hope you will remember this constituency as the task force progresses. he defended the letter in an appearance on sean hannity's program. >> was he for it, too?
>> i think he's finding a safe place to talk about it. obviously, i was representing the agriculture in texas. i hope as you go through the process of reforming health care in america, which i was for, i didn't want them to overlook that area. i had no idea it was going to be the end product. i thought they were going to reform health care, now we have obama care. >> governor perry's 1993 letter to hillary clinton surfaced in one of his gubernatorial campaigns. again, i'm sorry. we see this all the time. i don't care whether you are a democrat or republican, what you call yourself, if you believe, as rick perry believed in 1993 it was commendable that hillary clinton was trying to nationalize health care. how do you go from that position in 1993, talking uninsured then 2010, we are going to succeed from the union because of obama
care. >> over the last few decades, the flip-flopping candidate cannot get elected. we have such an allergy to those guys that don't fly like this. i'm going on record saying, this is my gut. there's going to be nice stuff about this guy. there's just going to be -- i think when the story is written -- >> really? >> honey. >> when you say nutty stuff -- >> i'm just telling you, i look in his eyes. >> you look in his eyes? >> i'm telling you, nutty stuff. >> nutty stuff? >> i think personal stuff. >> i'm curious. nutty stuff? >> personal nutty stuff. >> are you basing this on just a look in his eye? >> human intuition. >> hold on.
hold on. >> he reads people well. >> no. >> this is exactly why -- big advertising guy worth billions. >> donny, is this knowledge or pretense you have like it takes one to know one? >> maybe a little bit. maybe a little bit. >> oh. >> i know nutty. >> gut feeling is there's going to be personal stuff. >> nutty stuff. >> that's my gut. i don't know anything. >> okay, you made your point. >> we heard you. >> you made your point, you have rung that bell, okay. >> i don't care about personal nutty stuff. what i care about this is this, we conservatives, there are only three of us left in america. paul ryan, and a couple others, we add eight years of george w. bush saying i'm a conservative, dead or alive. love me, i love jesus and i'm going to kill the terrorists,
i'm a conservative. largest spending explosion since lbj. medicare, drug benefit plan, sean hannity swoon and the right wing swoon. we end up bankrupted by a big government republican. i'm telling you rick perry is the same way. i have always had these s suspicio suspicions. why are you so negative about rick perry? because we have seen this movie before. if he has the swagger and followed it up by being a real conservative in washington, d.c., that would be great. him loving hillary care, before i knew he ran al gore's campaign, mike i have seen this story before. he's got the swagger. we are stuck with somebody that talks a good talk because he's deeper in debt. i want a small government conservative.
i don't care if he talks like he's from canada. >> the thing that mystified me is if you are a conservative, how do you explain fighting two wars without paying for them? you are supposed to pay for things if you are a conservative, aren't you? before you get to the personal nutty stuff on this guy, don't you think this, eventually, sooner rather than later is going to force romney to take off the mittens and go after perry in iowa. >> bachmann rose and fell in the polls. rump rose and fell in the polls. i think they suspect perry has risen and is going to fall in the polls. the biggest problem romney has is that he was there from the beginning and from last time. we get bored with that. he's stayed under the radar. now, he's got an enemy. the one thing he's got no teeth and no personality. the fact he's got someone to spar with and easy target, rick
perry is going to be the best thing that happened to mitt. >> i think it will be, too. the thing that irritated me for years, again, you have people, a few people like paul ryan that will go up and are actually small government conservatives. everybody talks a good talk and they swoon at symbolism. the talk radio people swoon, oh, boy, we are sticking it to obama and the left. they don't pay attention to the substance. we had rush limbaugh on the show, the final year of george w. bush's presidency. concerned about the fact that we are spending so much money and we are so in debt. he said i'll never criticize him. really? nev never? i want a conservative president. i don't care if they call themselves a republican or not. it's us against them.
it's led us to a $14.5 trillion national debt. rick perry is just one more in the line that will say whatever he needs to say to get elected. then we are left, conservatives are left once again without a small government conservative. there's not an alternative. ron paul is very much a small government guy, but he says things that make him unelectable. >> this is a fun conversation but it's been your ongoing frustration of not having a leader out there especially in the republicans. we have a soundbyte of mitt romney. this is at the vfw in san antonio. he's attacking career politicians. take aisten. >> i'm a conservative businessman. i spent most of my life outside
politics dealing with real problems and a real economy. career politicians got us into this mess and they simply don't know how to get us out. >> he's been a politician for 20 years. it's at least a second career. seriously, he's been running since '92 or '93? >> it's really about -- >> '94. he's a small government, i hate government. he's been employed by the government for a quarter century. >> you see the bra va toe of perry and the nuttiness of bachmann and romney is big. there's a calm there. three or four years ago, we thought different. two years ago, put me to sleep. in a very kind of textural way
it's calm. >> think about this. this about the contrast. we had sarah palin explode in the fall, right? mitt romney staying low. donald trump exploded in the spring. romney stayed there. bachmann exploded. romney still there. rick perry exploding, romney is right there. you are right. look at the last debate, there's no doubt, peter, he was easily the guy that at least looked styli stylistically. he looked and sounded most like a president of all the people up there. >> it has to be concerning that consistently there's another candidate coming in. we had the first wave, now the second wave with perry. is there a third, fourth, fifth wave? are we done? >> he's in a position, he gets to be new again. >> like john kerry did back in
2004. kerry was right there and he swept in, won iowa and suddenly, he was the comeback kid. if romney comes back, what a brilliant strategy it was while the craziness and nuttiness is done. >> in the end, how many delegates are going to the republican convention? are they going to be interested in the w? in the win? think of president obama on the stage debating rick perry. then think of president obama debating mitt romney. >> i don't think they can go rational. they are going to go for a guy that doesn't give -- >> you think they will go for the guy who is nutty. he's a fan of hillary care and was al gore's campaign chairman. he's a good looking rascal. >> romney still has a chance.
seriously. unbelievable. >> funny. >> okay. >> chris christie -- >> that's not what we planned. there's a small government conservative. don't ruin his life. leave him alone. >> you know what? my brother e-mailed me. why are you so negative toward the republicans. i'm not. if paul ryan ran, i'd be excited. if jeb bush ran, i'd be excited. jeb ain't running, paul said he's not running. >> an appealing candidate and would be a
he's such a big man. peter doesn't it feel stupid? >> does it feel stupid? >> coming up, former governor george pataki and arianna huffington on set. after the break, the politico top stories of the day. another storm? what are you talking about? keep the storm away from us. >> you are just trying to get ratings. >> we are looking at the next tropical storm as we head throughout the next couple days. could become hurricane peter later on this afternoon and a major hurricane for the weekend. that is not good news. we have lots of flooding up and down the northeast. we have warnings in effect. this is the forecast you want to see for today. bright sunny skies from boston
to d.c. 82 in pittsburgh. 81 in buffalo. the rest of the country, heavy downpours in florida, orlando and miami. the rest of the country is looking quiet. the northern plains, the possibility of severe weather. more on that in a bit. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] school art supplies, black pants, and a family mobile plan. uh... um... [ bling! ] four score... [ bling! ] ...and seven years ago... [ bling! ] ...i kissed emily costa. ew! [ male announcer ] unlimited talk and text, only $45 a month, add more lines only $25 each.
right, then you couldn't tell which direction he was headed. his uncle was held by immigration officials. weirder, one official was like watch an all new season of "celebrity apprentice." it's a beautiful show. >> 25 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." joining us now with the political playbook. oh, we have the executive editor of politico. >> it is a big day for you. >> how are you? >> wow. what are you doing here? >> i'm here to have fun with you guys. talk a little rick perry and romney. >> we haven't talked about perry yet. i understand politico is reporting there's a letter he wrote in 1993 to hillary clinton. >> can i argue with you on that one? not that we were writing it but you thought it was bad for perry. i'm going to ask you a question.
you were talking earlier about how this is bad for perry. this is a hard one for him. i don't think it's hard to defend. he does not praise it. he's saying keep agriculture -- i don't think it will be much of an issue for him. >> you are talking a lot of uninsured people. there are a lot of conservatives in 1993. they were not commending hillary clinton for her health care reform or the way she was going about it. but, if you are al gore's campaign manager, it makes sense to support him. rick perry had to be excited by 1993. >> i don't sense there's that line in taking route with conservatives now. republicans think the perry they
see today is a very, very conservative perry. >> of course he is. democrats don't get elected in texas much anymore. of course he's a republican now. explain this phenomenon i was talking about before. in the deep south, all these democrats realize in '94 when bill clinton helped bring in a huge sweep of republicans across the southeast. suddenly a lot of democrats found jesus and became republicans. >> became very conservative republicans. the folks that were there when you were around. the blue dog democrats, there weren't many moderates. a lot of them flipped over, became a republican. they became conservatives. what gets measured today, in the primaries, do people feel they have become conservative? rick perry has a lot of
problems. a lot of scrutiny and things to beat back. being conservative, i don't think it's one of the problems he has. the tea party crowd loves the guy. the right rhetorical tone. the last four fold. he leads romney. this is not bachmann. he has staying power. he can win the nomination despite what a lot of people consider big flaws in his background in politics. that said, look at the last four polls, including the survey overnight, he's up by double digits over romney. >> tea party groups are planning protests against romney over the weekend. the fact of the letter, is it like the conservatives who didn't like the stimulus plan, then took the money? i mean -- >> the idea that -- right. the idea that politicians are hypocrites is not a novel idea
or something every person has to deal with on issue after issue after issue. he's going to get compared against romney. they don't think he's a tea party conservative. it's the reason the tea party activists are going to be protesting his upcoming speech to the tea party because they don't think he's anywhere near authentically conservative enough on fiscal matters because of the health care plan in massachusetts. let's ask you about sarah palin this weekend. she's going back out to iowa. we think it's for the money. rev it up. there are some people who really believe she's going to jump into the race. >> who? >> you know -- karl rove. >> a lot of people think she's going to jump into the race. >> mark halperin has been telling us she's going to jump into the race. >> i don't think she's going to get in. i think it's about the profile and the money. if she was going to get in,
timing is not exquisite. i don't see a lot of room. bachmann has done well. perry is doing well. where does she come in? there's not that conservative option to come in. the only opening i would see is if perry were to fade quickly, not over a month, but quickly. she could get in and pick that up. it's the only way she could get in. otherwise, she's number four. >> speaking of a quick fade, we have seen this before. we were talking before, sarah palin was front. in the fall she faded. then it was trump. this summer, it was michele bachman. a couple weeks ago, she was in first in national polls. certainly iowa polls. she has faded quickly over the past week. any concern for that camp? >> they have to be concerned. perry is doing what they wanted
to do. they have to come in and show they have staying power. perry has staying power. he has a track record in politics of winning elections. he's goods on stage. he'll be well prepared in the debate coming up. he's going to be a force to reckon with. >> i'm 80 minutes over but i have to ask you this. chris christie, any chance for a small government conservative, chris christie or jeb bush could walk in at the end? >> i have talked to republicans thinking they are going to jump in, they say no way. no way on rubio. ryan was never considering it. no way on bush and no way on christie. the field is set. it's astonishing given how beaten barack obama looks. his number with independents and anyone outside the african-american community are deplorable. the christie's and bush's and
arubios have to be tempted. >> they are tempted. >> the paul ryans, what a shame he didn't run. >> thank you very much. good to see you. coming up, one of the toughest antibullying laws going into effect. we'll talk about that. later, chuck todd and his take on the new suspension for the university of miami. ouch. >> we'll be right back. >> come on. yesterday doesn't win. big doesn't win. titles corner offices don't win. what wins? original wins.
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welcome back to "morning joe." live looks at patterson, new jersey. portions of the state still hit hard this morning. the east coast facing rising floodwaters. analysts say that hurricane irene is likely to become one of the top ten costliest disasters in american history. a preliminary summery from the
climatic data center says it will be the tenth billion dollar disaster in america. the tenth. >> peter alexander told us that yesterday. >> look at these pictures. at least 44 people have died in the storm. at least 2.5 million people are still without electricity. in vermont, national guard helicopters are air lifting food and water to at least 11 towns isolated by flooding. the top priority is restoring power to hundreds of thousands of people. now, they are turning to fema. aid may be running dry with less than $800 million remaining in its budget, fema may run out of money on september 30th. it's added stress to this bad situation. other news on the front page of the new york times, a new antibullying law in new jersey. the toughest in the nation. it goes into effect tomorrow.
the law was propelled by this rutger's university student. all public schools adopt comprehensive antibullying policies and hire a specialist to investigate complaints. there's no such thing as an innocent bystander when it comes to bullying if they see it. they have a responsibility to try to stop it. >> in this tragic case, i don't know if that would have helped. >> it's so complicated now with the internet and with phones. you do need -- i know it sounds like another layer, but you need a specialist monitoring the way kids communicate. i tell my daughter i'm going through it. it doesn't matter if she feels her privacy is violated. it's my phone. they don't understand what their
words can do and lead others. >> i think they do understand. >> they don't have the filters that adults have. >> it's a huge problem. raising children. >> go through their phone and their computers. if you love them and let them have them. go through it. learn. learn how to use their computer. >> i spoke to a security specialist. up until the age of 16, a child should not be able to be alone on a computer. >> you might as well let them out in the middle of the city in the middle of the night. the must read opinion pages are next. tomorrow, dick cheney joins us on set. keep it here. i'm so excited for that interview. >> i'm going to be doing it. you are just going to be here. >> no, no, no. i'm so excited. >> you have hatred in your heart. we'll spare him from that. he's been through enough.
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♪ as you can imagine, i'm bias toward governors. i think chief executives, whether a mayor or governor up to the president -- certainly it gives romney and perry -- >> all right. time for the must read opinion pages at 43 past the hour. we are going to start with "the washington post" by ruth marcus on rick perry. >> that's good. we haven't talked about him, yet. other than donny saying he's nutty. what do you mean? >> i'm going to say it again. i's a gut feeling. i don't know the man. >> bill clinton says he's a good looking rascal. you think he's nutty. >> i think it's going to be crazy stuff come out.
>> let me get relative to this in perspective. mike barnicle, what comes to mind? >> keep him away from the chuck e. cheese's. >> me? >> is that okay to say? >> keep him away from chuck e. cheese? >> he drives the econoline van up. >> peter? >> handsome rascal. >> never mind. >> would you please read it? go ahead. go ahead. >> all right. rick perry by the book disagreeing with liberal justice is one thing, accusing them of not caring about the constitution is announcing the opposing party is unpatriotic. he's ranged from wrong headed to
terrifying requiring federal judges to stand for reappointment and confirmation and letting congress override the supreme court. there's more perry. >> yeah. >> this is dana millbanks, washington post. he's no libertarian. if perry's style resembles anybody in george w. bush's white house, it's d.c. who just published a memoir that might have been titled "right every time even though i was surrounded by idiots." yes, he's antigovernment or antidisgovernment but he's no libertarian. 'he's a theocrat. >> donny deutsche, just spell my name right. >> first and last name can switch. perry rick. >> really. >> the interesting thing to watch, it is the rhythm of the
media. all of a sudden, someone comes forward and then it is this, i don't know what the timetable is, if it's ten or 15 days of this kind of wash if you will, then we get bored and move on. it's fascinating to watch. >> you know what? most of the left is terrified. the left is terrified of rick perry because they think he's so conservative. mike, my concern is he's not conservative. he's doing it because it's worked for him. >> al gore's campaign manager writing letters to hillary, it's what he did. plain conservative, when it started working, he became a conservative. it's working for him today. you could fit the number of people from iowa who are going to read dana millbank and ruth marcus around this table. he's doing well in iowa because
a, he looks terrific. >> good looking rascal. >> he is a good looking rascal. >> the first time voters who voted for obama, the historic vote, aren't they all of a sudden going to say obama versus rick perry, we ought to show up. >> great to make that point. >> great for democrats. >> they are using rick perry, donny with the democratic base up and get them energized. >> let's say rick perry gets the nominati nomination. can he carry florida and ohio? can a guy like that carry florida? >> he can carry florida, possibly. >> even with the ponzi scheme. >> he can't carry ohio or pennsylvania. he can't get elected in the general election. he can get elected in the republican primary, but not in the general election. >> he is a gift for president
obama. >> let's say he does -- if he does carry florida, he can carry north carolina, definitely. >> yep. and he can carry virginia. >> okay. and iowa. >> no. he can't carry iowa. he'll lose by 12, 13 points in iowa in the general election because this election, let's say it is him and obama is more clearly defined this way. basically, the swing states get narrower and narrower. if you do the math -- >> the numbers don't add up. >> florida, north carolina, what else? >> the bottom line is, it comes down to the midwest states, florida, new mexico and arizona, nevada has come into play. i don't know. i have a blind spot on rick perry in the southwest. i don't know how he would do there, his neighbor in texas. you go from michigan to ohio, he may win indiana, which obama
carried last time. he'll get savaged in philadelphia and bux county. say he plays in nevada, north carolina, new mexico and florida. >> can't lose iowa, wisconsin, michigan, illinois, indiana, ohio, pennsylvania. it just doesn't add up. you can't lose that string. he may win indiana. i think right now big al, the mascot for the university of alabama could beat barack obama in at least 25. i'd vote for big al anytime. >> the scariest poll for obama is the young people turn on him. >> young compared to what? >> it's not that they are turning on him, they don't show up. >> the higher educated.
there is no good news for president obama right now. >> we are still 15 months away. >> and the republican field is pathetic. >> i have to say, i have never seen anything like it. mike, you can attest to this fact. we talk to so many people off camera. movers and shakers that run american politics and media and run american business who, had a lot of defenders, this president. over the past month, i can't name one person who privately, because i go and sit down and say how is he doing? how is the president doing? i haven't met one over the past two months, i haven't met one that defended him. i wasn't attacking him. i asked the question, how is the president doing. i sit there and drink my coffee. it's all negative.
i never saw this with george w. bush. people do like him. >> people tell you that have met with him groups, small groups they come away with two things. weed and stop the lecturing. >> we need a jobs plan. i wonder if we missed the boat and need massive housing. if there's huge sectors of our economy sitting there down in the dumps. >> yep. >> coming up, arianna huffington. she argues hurricane irene can teach us how to respond to the jobs crisis. next, the red sox and yankees rivalry at fenway. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] you can never have too much expertise.
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all right, just shy of 7:00 in the morning. time for sports. there's only one sports story that matters. yankees and that other team. they are battling for the lead. red sox down 3. crawford, that was cc sabathia. it's 3-1. yankees drilled a pitch. watch him when he comes across home plate. clap, right in your eyes. not happy.
drills him. they don't call it bean town for nothing. he's not happy. the ninth, red sox down, 5-2. hit in the hand by mo rivera. girardi gets tossed. he's not happy. josh reddic, yankees win, 5-2. new york a half game behind boston in the a.l. east. this goes down. boiling point. >> they are both in the playoffs. >> very exciting. >> boston, very small payroll. >> versus the new york yankees, they throw more money. >> 2004 to today. they spent $500 million. >> arianna huffington joins us straight ahead on "morning joe."
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♪ across the nation, we are still digging out from the worst economic crisis since the great depression. it's taken longer and more difficult than any of us imagined. we have taken steps in the right direction and we have a lot more to do. our economy has to grow faster. we have to create more jobs and do it faster. we have to break the gridlock in
washington that prevents us from taking the action to get us moving. >> welcome back to "morning joe." a live look. the sun coming up over washington. mike barnicle and donny deutsche joining us. >> i didn't get donny last hour. nutty? saying rick perry is nutty? >> i didn't say that. i said i have an intuition something is going to come out. >> arianna -- >> let me tell you something about donny's hair, like amazing. >> gel. >> something happening around here, around the temples. it's really -- >> arianna, i usually wouldn't allow that but with such bad back pain, donny will live on that for a month. >> in the '80s, there's a song
"it's been a cruel, cruel summer." he's had back problems. >> you made my day. you are a beautiful woman. >> oh, god. >> it was a blink day or actually summer. straight out of the final chapter of the great gatsby. weeds grew up. >> it can stop now. >> i wasn't wearing anything in the distance. >> i believe in the green light. well -- >> how much did that cost you? >> i went to sims. 199 bucks and an extra pair of pants. >> you are a liar. i don't believe that. >> no, no, no, extra pants. >> it's got his name in there. >> a name tag. >> it's incredible.
>> open it up. >> open. >> open it up. >> i went to summer camp. they sew labels. >> come here. yeah, yeah, yeah. you are a goober. i don't want to see it. >> you lose suits so you have your name in them? >> don, you have your name in your suit. is that your label? >> yeah, baby. >> do you think you could stitch my name in these? >> can we check now? >> everybody be quiet. >> arianna's book, "third world america," how our politicians are abandoning the middle class and betraying the american dream
is out in paperback. it's an intelligent book to spark an intelligent discussion, unlike what you are seeing now. let's read a quote that she wrote in the "huffington post" and talk about what i read can teach us about the jobs crisis. can we take this turn? >> would love to. >> when the media voted wall-to-wall attention to something and brought emergency and asked the public to respond in time, remarkable things can happen. what this weekend demonstrated, even though we can't stop the hurricane, we can greatly mitigate the destructive impact. that capacity is always there. the question is, why do we only tap into it for natural disasters and external attacks. >> what is the answer? >> the answer is we have not done what needed to be done around jobs and what happened
with hurricane irene can really be a lesson about how we can now act when it comes to basically hurricane jobs. it's a crisis blowing over the country. it's not going away. the impact it's going to have in the years to have, not just what it's having now. the federal and state level and in our own neighborhoods. we need to start acting. >> why not -- mike has been talking about this since february of 2009 saying washington, it's jobs, jobs, jobs. washington hasn't been focusing, whether democrats or republicans are running the house. >> what happens, the white house underestimated the jobs crisis. >> right. >> they thought it was going to blow over. when they realized it was serious, they surrendered to the deficit. not that it's not serious, but
we are never going to solve the deficit crisis if we don't solve the jobs crisis. larry somers is going around saying growth is more important. it's the pathway to the deficit crisis, too. >> we have seen the pieces and the infrastructure banks, that's walking tactic. what can he do as a thunder bolt? >> you know what he should do, have the speech writers repeat the speech he gave after hurricane irene on sunday night when he said federal agencies are doing everything in their power. we are going to make sure to respond as quickly and effectively as possible. the middle class is under assault right now. this is not just good policy. very specific things,
infrastructure, number one. it's crumbling. we need something to fix the infrastructure. this is the opportunity to do that. with millions of people out of work. >> one of the problems, though, it's our problem, not just his problem, hurricanes have no ideology. so, there's not going to be any right-left polarization in terms of dealing with the hurricane. the other problem is not just his, it's ours. open your eyes when you are driving down roads. many of the bridges you drive over were built by the wpa in the 1930s. they need repaired. one of the greatest roadways is crumbling. eisenhower's road program that created suburbs for people. we don't realize what we have done in the past. take a look at what we have done in the past.
maybe it's what we should be doing today. >> there's nothing right or left about saving the middle class. >> correct. >> this is another area where we don't need to be polarized and paralyzed. obama allowed the deficit to skyrocket. over the last two years, we have been talking less about jobs. if you look at the data. >> it's crazy. health care. >> we obsessed for in '09 and '10. you look and do any search and health care easily was the most evaded issue in '09 and '10. in '11, it's been the deficit. the deficit and health care is important but at the end of the day, health care crisis is driven by unemployment like debt is driven by a recession. >> joe, you said something brilliant before -- >> thank you, don.
my point is, beyond what is in a package, there needs to be some symbolic, some theatrical thing. he's a guy that created hundreds of thousands of jobs. i think just the tool box, there needs to be some gesture. >> not just a gesture. >> no. it's like wow. >> it is, i'll give you two examples. one, we can go fdr. again, read the biography of fdr. i'm going back and pouring through them now. fdr decided he was going to be at war, at war with unemployment, with recession, with depression, with hopelessness and you talk to my mom and we talked about your mom, talk to my mom, born in 1932 in the heart of the great depression. the youngest of four children. unemployed father and a poor,
poor family, but fdr gave them hope to keep fighting, scratching and clawing. they sent their kids to school, made their way out of the great depression and their kids prospered. we don't have that. steve jobs. here is another great example. steve jobs obsessed on making a cleaner, simply, better. he did it night and day. i don't care if it's fdr or it's ronald reagan. ronald reagan's obsession in 1981, i'm going to get america moving and back to work. it was a singular obsession. i wonder sometimes, arianna, whether this president, if it's not who he is. these conservatives who say he's an ideologue, he's not. whether you are a conservative
reagan or liberal, fdr. >> right now, the two things coming together. one is symbolically, it's a very significant moment. that was the last time when you described what happened on a large scale, when you came together as a nation. you could overcome anything. >> you were told to go shopping. >> let's not minimize it. we came together as a country. there you go being very ideological. arianna is exactly right. after 9/11, we came together as country. you got the feeling like we heard in world war ii in the fox holes, there weren't democrats and republicans. >> the thing obama has is his competitive spirit has been awakened. it's not going to be a cake walk. it's going to be a campaign.
it may not be worth it. this is going to be the campaign. perry is going for the john wayne instant in america, he's straight talking, no crap taking, straight shooting guy is how he comes across. >> that's why he supported al gore. straight shooter. >> that's the irony. the reality of who she is, the reality of the nonsense he speaks and the flip-flopping. it's insignificant. >> right. >> a male palin. >> yeah. >> we haven't talked about rick perry today. >> let's not. >> mike barnicle, it's no coincidence the two historians, the two great presidents of history, fdr and ronald reagan. they had radically different views of what the federal
government should do. they pursued their programs and both of them got america out of a funk. fdr had a greater challenge than ronald reagan. in 1981, this country was in a weak position. >> so much of the presidency then and now was theater. if you go back and read fdrs fireside chats on the radio, delivered on the radio. it's very personal. there was little tv, obviously. people sitting around, listening to him on the radio. the first three or four years of his presidency were about joblessness, poverty and the unemployed. people got a real sense that the president cared about them personally. reagan, in trying to inject life into the economy could get people because of his background the sense he cared and knew about their individual lives. people like barack obama, he's a
terrific guy, no doubt about it, he has a little difficulty giving ordinary people a sense of empathy about their plight. the idea if you -- >> a little difficulty? is that a bit of an understatement? >> if you lose your job, sit around the breakfast table with your children and they are about to go off to school, you have lost a sense of pride in yourself. your kids know you are not working. >> when fdr was taken to a hospital in georgia and he saw a young destitute child, we talked about this before. he broke down crying. it's hard to imagine many people on the national scene today that would do that. again, there is not that sense of urgency. >> what's interesting is obama is able to evolve that empathy in big cities.
he talked about extending empathy. it's much harder for him to do it in a way that mike described. >> we are going to hear from him in a few hours where the president is making statements in the rose garden pertaining to jobs, he's going to urge congress to pass an extension to a bill that will protect a million american jobs. the white house confirms the president is considering a number of goals as part of the upcoming plan including tax cuts for companies that hire new workers. investing in green energy. clean energy tax cuts and help for people looking to refinance their homes. white house officials have yet to release a specific date for the jobs address next week. during a radio interview, president obama predicted his plan would yield strong results. >> there is no doubt that we can take steps that would mean the
economy was growing a percent or percentage faster that could mean a half mill to a million additional jobs. that gets the economy moving and makes businesses more confident they are going to have customers and puts people back to work. >> we have to put people back to work. i don't know if it can be done given the time he has, arianna, and the damage that's been done. not just on his watch, but the past decade. >> what joe said, becoming obsessive about it, anything can be done. you know, i was read iing how there are two kinds of meters, hedgehogs and foxes. if i was looking for a hedgehog, ronald reagan. >> ronald reagan and fdr. >> unemployment. we need hedgehogs. if you don't get the right
hedgehogs, you get a hedgehog who is the wrong one of crazy ideas. doesn't think that you need to protect people in times of trouble. >> let's pick up on that. whether it's fdr on the left, reagan on the right. think about both of these gentlemen. fdr, so obsessive. he was so obsessive on getting america to work and saving america. he overreached. he went crazy. you know what? that's what we do. i'm going to -- these programs need to go through. i'm going to do whatever it takes. people are hurting out there and i don't care what it takes. if i have to one over the supreme court, i will do it. it's offensive. in retro spect, he was obsessed. so obsessive he comes up with a
scheme when he can't get rid of the communists he's got people working for him. we are going to take the money from here and sell missiles there and move it to the anticommunist forces in africa. very effective to people on the left. you have two leaders so obsessed with their goal, the hedgehogs that they overreached, but succe succeeded. they both succeeded. the soviet union failed. fdr saved the country. >> when you have a hedgehog and a fox, engaging, conceiving, then the hedgehog had a principle he's obsessed about can win in times like this. >> what does bill clinton say? better to be wrong and strong. he also says that rick perry is a good looking rascal. >> oh, lord. >> he said nothing about rick
perry's hair. >> he needs volume in his hair. >> that is really concerning. >> i'm curious -- no. who that has time to consider putting his name in? >> it was me. i was at home at night watching "hollywood squares." >> i'm thinking you asked for that. you needed it. >> i did not. >> can i ask you a question, how does that make you feel better about yourself. your name is pressed against yourself. how would it make you feel? >> honestly, i'm going to be honest. there's an answer to this. no initial on my sleeves. it was done without me knowing it. i thought it was silly.
>> how do you make a suit for someone without them knowing it. >> i didn't know they were going to put my name in it. >> you are so funny. i guess it's a good cause. >> go to billy mitchell. >> arianna, is there anything wrong with the way i am dressed? >> no. you have permission to believe what we are saying right now. coming up next, considering a run for president, we are talking to former new york governor, george pataki why he's not entering. an we are asking the question millions of americans want to know this morning, does he put his name on the inside of his suit? [ male announcer ] this...is the network -- a network of possibilities.
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on the one hand, it is wishful thinking that the world is becoming a safer place. the opposite is true. consider simply the jihadists, a turbulent middle east, unstable pakistan, delusional north korea and china. on the other hand, it leaves us with the belief that america should become a lesser power. if we are weak, other tyrants or the tyrants will decide to be weak as well. if we could talk more, engage more, pass more u.n. resolutions peace would somehow break out. that may be what they think at the harvard faculty lounge, but it's not what you know from the battlefield. >> with us now, former republican of new york, a man
who never had to deal with a hurricane in your what, 48 years? >> 48 years. >> and six months. >> george pataki here. is your name on the inside of your suit? >> no. >> oh. >> unlike donny, i can't afford these loophole custom suits. >> i like it. >> i will guarantee you, donny deutsche deducted the $5,000 that suit cost him. >> the fashion icons like donny deutsche, is there any way we can tax them more? draw more money out of them so they can't absorb the cost of tailored italian suits? >> people who get a paycheck as opposed to people who make millions doing what they do. >> right. >> they pay less and those
people pay more because they can't write it off. >> donny has to pay for his suit? >> he's got to pay more for his yacht and corporate jets, private jets, can't write those off, right? >> come on. >> walking to shoe with no shoes, okay. >> governor pataki -- >> if we had a tax for donny, 20% of everything he made, i would be happy. he would be unhappy because he would be paying more. >> people like me should be paying more taxes. >> you say 23%. the fact of the matter is people making a million more dollars, warren buffett bragging about paying 15% taxes. he can write a check for 35% like the rest of us. >> it's not 14%.
he's worth 50 billion and he declares an income of 20 million. if you get a 1% return, you are making $500 million. nothing comes in a paycheck. that's the difference. the person who has it come in a paycheck is clobbered, through investments and unrealized capital gains and buying and swapping properties mays no tax. grow the economy. hedge fund. you are right. tax reform. economic growth. create jobs, get rid of the deficit. >> it seems it would be a great political move to close loopholes and dare republicans in washington to pay more. >> the sad thing, one of the sad things about this president is i think everything he does is
driven by the polls. you do a poll, should people be able to deduct their yachts. 99% of americans say no. we are going to close the yacht loopholes. they are all up in arms. you can't do half measures to go after this and after that. in my view, bowles-simpson had a program. get rid of the loopholes and lower the rates. that would work. >> it's a hedgehog, right? >> here is the irony. they are following the polls and they are. the polls are saying that people care about jobs more than they care about the deficit because it's affecting them reegt now. 's affecting their jobs and family. why are politicians, both
republicans and democrats not prioritizing anything that will grow the economy? >> problem tried. he's fired every single bullet in the arsenal. $1 trillion stimulus program. cash for clunkers. >> it hasn't worked. >> these have been pieces but he's never, look at his presidency, made jobs priority one. it's stunning given it's common sense. he hasn't. >> you are right but now a year ago he's coming in today with a jobs program. he went to martha's vineyard saying when i come back, i'm going to have a jobs plan. they had a jobs plan. it's always the playbook or
temporary. we're going to do this for a year and this for two years. >> all the times since 2009 when he said, you know, now we are going to work on the jobs. every state of the union, nine, ten, 11. the same thing. it's going to be relentless. what he said about the stimlouse is a, there's a large number of tax cuts in it. you cannot jump across in two leaps. it's not big enough. if you are going to do it, you have to do it all the way. you have to go out for taxes. wouldn't republicans be in favor of that? >> i don't think we should be in favor of just short term
measures. i long tomorrow proposal that would encourage the economy, small businesses to hire, there's great by partisan support. this president, either it's a spending program or cut taxes. we are going create a jobs tax credit or something of that nearbyture. you are dpoung to hire somebody with the idea you are goupg to have them around five or ten years. we need two long term vision. things that are going to make them hire someone this year and next year. >> wouldn't that include, in some cases, taxes going up for some people in some way, however you want to define that? >> of course. donny deutsche deducts his suit.
>> are the very rich paying more? >> donny is the very rucich. >> it depends on you how do it. if you create a fairer system without the loopholes, people would pay more, but at a higher rate. >> your party makes the statement that somebody like me pays another 3%, 4% or 5% is going to help the economy. explain that. >> donny, i do think, i have to agree with the logic if you raise the marginal rates and the people who create jobs, you are going to discourage their willingness to hire. >> let me ask you a question. someone makes $3 million a year. we are going to hike them 4%. you are telling me that person -- i have to stop you. that's the fallacy of this argument. >> they will always sarich
people should be paying 39%, not 35%. >> i would be happy if they paid 23%. donny, what hoe's saying, what i'm saying and a lot of people are saying, if we get the rich to pay more than they are paying now -- >> amen. amen. going to the next -- i mean that's inarguable. i'm going to the next level. >> it's not inarguable. i's not happening in washington. it's very arguable but so much, so many people are distracted by bush tax cuts. let's get rid of the bush tax cuts. if we praise it, guess how much warren buffett is paying. >> it's not either off.
we have a big receideficit. extend the bush tax cuts at a time everybody -- >> i disagree with you here. your logic makes sense except it doesn't work. once you are at that level where you are paid $3 million, it doesn't come in a paycheck. you are going to defer your income, take it as retirement and capital gains, i'll have a vehicle that's paid for by the business. >> we need not to have somebody avoid it but how to pay 23%. that's what the bowles-simpson recommended. grow the economy, reduce the deficit and create the jobs we need. governor george pataki, are you running for president?
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successful. >> i came to talk about my family. there's a crisis in america and i came to talk about my family. >> former white house adviser d. ezekiel emanuel. he'll be at the university of pennsylvania school of medicine. congratulations. great to have you here. >> thank you. >> uh-ha. >> we are trying to talk about your family. you obviously hate your family. >> i love my family, but i didn't come to talk about them. >> you came here to talk about what we want to talk about, but you want to talk health care, we'll talk health care. we have a crisis in america and it's not just donny deutsche's aching back. >> that's a good example of the issues. frequently what happens is you go get an mri. we know it's not very helpful in
changing management and a waste of money in many cases. a lot of people get back surgery. it's not going to be that helpful. it's another, it's been proven not to be beneficial. >> yep. >> one of the things we have to do as i have argued, stop paying for things that are proven not to help. >> you get a back ache, get an mri. a headache, get an mri. >> in some cases they are helpful other cases they are overused. >> give us a little background. you have a back injury. with my back injury over four or five years, i had ten mris. you have had five and they have no idea. >> they don't. they do show things. what are you supposed to do, walk blindly? you have a back problem. >> in most cases, you start with physical therapy.
>> how do you do the physical therapy -- let's do a case. >> most cases, it's stress. the mri is not going to change their management. start out with physical therapy. if it doesn't improve with that, then you can proceed to an mri. >> doctor -- >> it's backwards. 80% or 90% of those cases, you would not need an mri. that's an example. >> doctors are addicted to mris, hospitals are addicted to mris. how do you tell people you are not going to get an mri every time. >> what we have to do is change the way we think about the medical care but also change the incentives structure. after all, if someone orders an mri, there's a lot of money to be made here. we need to get doctors focused, keeping him healthy and doing the appropriate care first, then
only the major interventions afterwards. that's how we have to change how we pay for care and incentivizing doctors to keep patients healthy. it's an element of the reform, correct. it's not the only thing. >> of course it's not the only thing! you are so argue mentive. have you been talking to ari? >> it's what he told me before. don't give joe an inch. >> you are in line for cost cutting. how do we reduce costs? >> no, no -- i'm not just focused on cost cutting. i'm focused on doing the right thing for the patient. it's not the mri. >> my question is, my question is, why when they reduce the health care bill -- >> arianna, they did.
>> there are a few things they left on the table. >> arianna, arianna -- i'm sorry, arianna. >> let him talk, he's going to get angry. >> use the bargaining power to get cheaper drugs from pharmaceutical companies. >> arianna, first of all, almost every cost cutting measure, any respectable health pop si expert proposed is in the bill. excuse me, you are wrong about -- >> are they in the bill? >> arianna -- no. reimportation is not a serious cost cutting measure. it's not a serious matter. that's why. >> let's hear from the doctor. let's hear from the doctor. >> the important thing to remember is that 70% of the health care costs go for chronic diseases like diabetes, heart disease, cancer, emphysema. 70% of costs go to chronic
illness. that's where the cost cutting measures have to be focused. there, the focus is to coordinate care and keep them healthy. prevent them from getting those diseases, healthy and out of the hospital. that's where the focus of our cost reform needs to be in addition to giving the rest of us unnecessary care. >> what does that look like? >> your suggestions, arianna, with all due respect are minor aspects. let me finish, arianna. the whole of the bill with holds every other important cost cutting measure proposed by any expert here. don't say the bill is about access, not cost control. from my standpoint, the important thing is we need to focus on the patient and we need to really avoid a lot of unnecessary care that doesn't had to them, their health and doesn't add substantially to cost. i think that's a really key
measu measure. >> mika, the last time he was on -- there's a nice emanuel. he's a fighter just like the others. i love it. >> i love that he's adorable. also, i think we have finally found a tv doctor. >> talk about what you are going to do. what is your goal and how do we move this health care debate forward? it's depressing we debated health care reform for two years and everyone around the table talks long term debt crises and we talk health care. >> one of the great things about traveling the country and going from health system to health health system and talking about doctors, and there's a lot of thinking about how to deliver
care better and cut costs, and that's very exciting. i just learned yesterday from the group implementing the health record for the government, it's the electronic health records is that a start to reform. it has not made it to the media, and hospitals asking about how can we improve care and recosts. all of that is going to require a little time, but will also help. >> is there among younger doctors and health care administrators sort of a different view? great revelation for me for my back thing is when the ceo of the doctor, when all of my doctors --
>> great hospital. >> and they were going to give me a back fusion four years ago, they said you know what, they know more about in the east than we do in the west sometimes. >> and he started to talk about the body is like a river. he was right. >> i did a lot of small things, and i did not have the second surgery and am walking better than i have in years. >> yeah, intervening more is not necessarily better for you. >> will you come back? because you're a fighter. i like you. >> we have not angered you, have we? >> hardly. >> ari is pretty angry. >> are you the oldest? >> i am the oldest, yes. that's why i became the doctor. after that they didn't have to become the doctor. >> did you beat either of them
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what's dumb is to oversee an economy that has lost that many millions of jobs to put unemployment numbers over his four years will stay probably at 9%, to downgrade the credit of this good country, and to put physical policies in place, and there were disaster back in the '30s and try them again in the 2000s, that's what i consider to be the definition of number. welcome to "morning joe," as you take a live look at new york city. back with us on set we have mike barnicle, peter alexander and danny deutsch. >> rick perry, by the way, i called him a dime store conservative.
we have them in the south. democrats, democrats, democrats. democrats were in charge of the south. and then when republicans became in charge of the south, this is what happens, they went from liberal to conservative. i was a registered democrat, like most people in the south like in the beginning, but i was always conservative. this guy runs al gore's campaign and then writes a letter to hillary clinton in 1993? hi, hillary, i am hind you. this is what happens. you elect people like this, and he's not a real conservative, and i was around in '93 and i ran in '94 because of what happened in 1993. you can't be for his age for
hillary clinton care -- you go across the southeast and there are dime store conservatives from texas down to south florida that seriously, they are the ones right out front. for rick perry to be claiming he is a small government, tea party guy, you know what, it's let the ponzi scheme and shut down faema, and when the guy was in his 50s or however old he was, he was for hillary care? >> he's evolving. >> we get mitt romney -- this is the republican party. we get mitt romney who had his own health care, and then he is
trying to disassemble one just like it. by the way, this was not a question for conservatives or moderate republicans. everybody knew in 1993 this was a disaster. but rick perry, he supported it. >> let's tell people what happened here. >> he's a good lookin' rascal. >> oh, republican presidential candidates, the time -- >> this is so rich. >> governor rick perry is fighting back at the story joe is talking about, he once set a letter to hillary clinton during her husband's administration. in that letter perry wrote to hillary, i think your efforts in trying to reform the nation's health care system are most
commendable. i would like to request that the task force give particular consideration to the needs of the nation's farmers, ranchchures, and agriculture workers, and -- >> he's for the universal mandate, too. >> again, your efforts are worthy and i hope you will remember this constituency as the task force progresses. perry defended the letter on hannity's radio show. he says this, i was the agriculture commissioner at that particular point in time and obviously representing the agricultural rural interests in texas, and the letter is straightforward, and it says i hope as you go through this process of reforming health care in america, which i am for, i dwn didn't want her -- or them collect lively to overlook very
important constituency. i had no idea that that was going to be the end product. what i thought they were truly going to work towards was to reform health care, you know, and we had no idea. now we have obamacare. >> and that surfaced in one of perry's gubernatorial campaigns. sorry, but we see this all the time. i don't care if you are a democrat or republican, what you call yourself, if you believe in 1993 it was commendable that hillary clinton was trying to nationalize health care, and how do you go from that to in 2010, we're going to succeed from the union because of obamacare. >> the flip-flopping candidate cannot get elected. we have such an algergy -- i
think when the story is writt written -- >> when you say nutty stuff. >> why would you say something like that? >> i don't know. i am just telling you, i look in his eyes, and -- >> you look in his eyes? nutty stuff? what do you define as nutty stuff? >> i think this guy is going to have personal stuff. >> personal stuff or nutty stuff? >> personal nutty stuff. >> just by the look in his eye? >> human intuition.
>> is it the knowledge that it is it takes one to know one kind of thing? >> well, maybe. there's a gut feeling there will be personal stuff -- >> nutty stuff? >> that's my gut. i am not accusing him and i don't know the man -- >> you made your point. >> we heard you. >> you have rung the bell. we endured eight years -- we conservatives, and there are only three of us left in america, like paul ry, we endured eight years of bushes, and i am a conservative, and i'm going to kill the terrorists, and largest spending explosion,
and conservative swooned and hannity swooned, and we ended up being bankrupted by a big republican government. rick perry is the same way. he will do whatever it takes to get elected. why are you so negative about rick perry? because we have seen this movie before. if he had theswagger and followed it up, that would be great, but before i knew that he loved hillary care, and running that campaign, but he has a right conservative swoon, and we're stuck with somebody that talks a good talk but puts us deeper in debt. >> the thing that is miss
fiing -- before you get to the personal enounutty stuff on thi guy, don't you think he will face romney to take off the mittens and go after perry. >> bachmann rose and then fell in the polls, and -- >> i think romney is playing it brilliantly. the biggest problem that he had is he was there from the beginning and from last time and we get bored with that. now he has an enemy. the one thing about him, he has no teeth, no personality, and the fact that he has somebody to spar with, an easy target, rick perry is going to be the best thing that happened to mitt romney. >> i think it will be, too. but what irritated me for years,
again, you have a few people like paul ryan that will go up there and are conservatives, and everybody else talks a good talk and the right wing swoons at syllablism. ob obey, we're really sticking it to obama and the left, and they don't pay attention to the substance. the final year of bush's presidency, i asked if you were concerned about the fact that we're spending so much money, and we're getting in debt, and he said i will never criticize my president? really? it's more of this sort of us against them, which has led us to a 14.5 trillion national debt. rick perry is one more in the line that will say what he needs to say to get elected and
conservatives are left once again without a an electable government -- of course, ron paul is a very much of a small government guy, but says things that makes him unelectable. >> yeah, and you are right. we have a sound bite of mitt romney. this is attacking career politicians. take a listen. >> i am a conservative businessman and i spent most of my life outside of politics dealing with the real politics and economy. career politics got us into this mess and they don't know how to get us out.
>> he has been a politician for 20 years. >> at least running for years. >> and he's a small government -- i hate government. guess what? he's been employed by the government for a quarter century. >> what is interestingly appealing about that, you see the prau votto of perry, and now mitt romney will be very appealing. all this noise and then that comes on. two years ago it would put me to sleep. in a very kind of way it's calming. >> think about the contrast. we had sarah palin explode in the fall. we had mitt romney staying low. we had donald trump explode in
the spring, romney stayed there, and bachmann exploded and romney is right there, and now rick perry explode, and romney is right there. he looked stylistically, and he looked and sounded most like a president of all the people up there. >> as an observer it has to be concerning to the romney campaign that there's another candidate coming in. is there a fourth or fifth wave? are we done? >> he's in the position that when the time is right, he gets to be new again. he gets to be the story. i think that's what is interesting. >> like what john kerry did, he was just right there and swept in and won iowa and suddenly he was the comeback kid. if romney comes back, they will
say what a brilliant strategy is when he layed low. >> will they be interested in the "w," in the win, because in the mind's eye, think of obama on the stage debating rick perry, and then think about president obama standing on the stage and debating mitt ramy. >> i think they will go for the guy not giving them the "w," and that's perry. up next, chuck todd and his take on the miami hurricane football suspension. and the complex and controversial life of jane fonda. we take an inside look in the private life of a public woman. >> no, no, no --
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women gain more weight after marriage and men gain more weight after a divorce. the divorce usually takes more place after men point out that women gain more weight -- >> american airlines lost a woman's cat at jfk, and the airline -- the airline put out food and water to try and lure it back. that's unbelievable. not that a cat was lost, that an airline is offering food and water. i want to get a ticket on that one. >> with us is nbc news chief white house correspondent and the host of "the daily rundown." hateful people have been saying you will talk about the suspension at the university of miami. what is going on? >> if you look at it, i think it
proves the point that a lot of people when you look at the reporting and the story is that the difference between this booster's influence are the larry coker era is troproof tha there may have been problems from 2002 to 2006 with this guy and the access that he had, but it's clear -- the suspensions are actually very minimal in comparison to the hyperventilating media coverage of what -- >> i think barnicle just said shut it down. just shut them down. >> death penalty. >> when you look at this, this is frankly what takes place at every school this year. four kids with a one-game suspension because of benefits of about 100 bucks. let's not get carried away. the other four, a more serious
violation. they're not out of the woods. they will probably have cuts over the next few years, and a bowel ban, but this is more in the realm of what happened alabama in the shula era -- >> you have larry coker, and also the chaletla era. >> this is the conundrum the ncaa is under. ultimately, who do they answer to? to the university presidents? or do the presidents answer to the ncaa? this is the ultimate larger problem the ncaa has to deal
with when it comes to football, and they have no stake in college football. the conferences, financially, they pulled out of the ncaa two decades ago. the ncaa is fearful, what if these conferences did the same thing in basketball. i think that's why you see the trepidation of how much do they go after the schools? because you go too fast, too hard, and the big ten and the scc, which runs football, those three could say good-bye ncaa, we'll run our own football. and on this specific issue, i think donna shawlala is under pressure because she is 8 only person left. there's an awful picture of her standing next to the gentleman. >> the ncaa is and has been for
sometime a joke when it comes to college athletics. secondly, do you agree as i agree with the many people who propose that these athletes, scholarship athletes recruited by the big universities, they ought to be paid. they ought to be paid. >> they make millions and millions and millions. they are going off and having to sell their jersey -- >> and they make millions of dollars on this. it's nonsense. >> the one idea i have always had, i think you pay them but not then. you put it in escrow. you do it in a way that rewards them for their academic success. >> i like that. >> the new chancellor at the university of miami. >> i can't imagine why you punish a kid for trying out to
figure out a way to get his poor mom and poor dad from there neighborhood, wherever it is -- >> it's a way out. >> in south central la to oklahoma, and you are going to punish him, and that's preposterous. >> well, that could be good values, not values, we could argue. here is a kid wanting his parents to have a job. the problem is how easily schools could take advantage of that, and it becomes eric dickerson driving around in a brand-new transam at the time. >> go mustangs. >> it was a transam which was cool then, very '80s. i am old school.
the problem is how easily you could take advantage of the situation. that's why they have to come up with some sort of parameters. you have title 9, which then saz if you pay for the state schools, you better pay all the student athletes in some form or another. >> in basketball they make millions. >> if you are yukon's women basketball, and they are making millions, fine, but let's drop the facade this is about a bunch of kids going to school to learn. that's just not the case. these big-time schools, these programs created a money machine and everybody profits off it except for the kids whose legs get snapped and they hauble around the rest of their lives. >> it's not that hard to solve
this problem. the university presidents, though, won't get into the room to do it. >> what is happening at the white house today? >> well, the story is what are they doing behind the scenes, and how well will they sell the jobs plan. today he has an event that starts hinting about the extension of a couple things that he is trying to connect to job creation that if congress doesn't extend the funding, then you could put some folks out of work. but it goes to what is going on behind the scenes there is they are trying to figure out how to sell this thing over the next couple weeks. when you look at the political calendar, they have a window of 2 1/2 months to take what he's going to do next week. frankly if they are smart, they should think about it as it's their state of the half union, and if they have their jobs plan out there and sell it and travel the country for two months
because then all of a sudden the presidential republican primary will consume everything for a three to four month period, and he will be r-- i think they assume that the house republicans aren't going to be working with them very much, so it's going to be more of a political fight than policy fight. >> and joe, i want to ask you a question that we talked about on the breaks, if you are going on the speech and you got beat up for what you have not said yet over the last three weeks, what can you say that will change the momentum of the administration? >> i want to start doing what bill clinton did to republicans in '95 and '96 if i am running the white house, and that's beat down the republicans and scare them into cooperating and the best way to do is doing
something that george pataki support, and pat buchanan, and joe scarborough, and that is go after tax reform. there's no reason why in these difficult times that warren buffets should be paying 14% in taxes and bragging about it. >> while diamond fights regulation. >> yeah, you have got to go to war. by the way a lot of people on the left will be aoffended you are bringing in somebody like jamie diamond. guess what? wall street won't be offended by that. you have to go all out war and focus on small business growth and focus on tax reform. but, you know, i don't know chuck todd, whether this president is in the confronting mood with the republicans in a
real meaningful way. sure, he will make a jab in a speech. but will he say we will do tax reform and i dare you cantor or boehner, to stand in the way? >> i think on the tax reform part, the problem or possibility, whatever you want to look at it as, is the super committee at this point is going to have to -- that's the only avenue to deal with tax reform. i do think you will see the president put out a detailed plan on paper this time, sort of answering the criticism that awful us gave them that was nothing tangible that was out there that was easily attributed to the president. and he hands the super committee that as his plan and tries to take it on that talk. and i think the spending and
deficit conversation of the summer turned off a lot of voters and public -- people in the american public that are struggling on the economic front, and instead he talks about the jobs plan and things he thinks can work to jump-start it. i think this deficit spending conversation has been deadly to both parties. it has hurt the president and hurt congressional republicans. the wild card in this, what kind of attitude does john boehner have coming in the fall? does he start being concerned about losing the majority? >> over the last week we saw what actually government can do, to mitigate devastation to help people. can the government use that example of what happened during the hurricane irene efforts to demonstrate what government can do to deal with the jobs crisis? >> well, i think you will see some attempt on that, and i
think it's a dangerous game. i think cantor is playing a dangerous game to start playing a little bit of politics on fema funding. in either direction, i think it's a dangerous game and i think republicans are walking a tough line. and i think he would look hypocritical if he didn't say what he said about the fema funding coming with offsets, but do house republicans want to pick a fight with chris christie? >> i don't think so. that would be fun to watch. chuck todd, thank you very much. we'll see you at 9:00 on "the daily rundown." we look at the controversial life of jane fonda.
blight that has been put on our flag and country by mr. nixon. >> that was back in 1972 after she returned from her controversial visit to vietnam. the trip and the out spoken criticism of the war is what earned her her nickname, and joining us, patricia bosworth, the author of a new book about jane fonda, "private life of jane fonda." >> she struggled throughout the years, hasn't she? >> yes, she has. is there a guilt that she did it? there's going back and forth, and then other times saying i was a kid. >> she never regretted going to
vietnam, because she was very much against the war, the war was a terrible war. i think she regretted sitting on the gun, the infamous picture of her sitting on that gun. >> there is so much more to her life. this is not -- >> you have known her for a long time. >> i have known her since we were kids, we were at the actors studio together. goes back a long way. she's a remarkable woman. she has done everything from being a movie star to a political activist and the exercises guru, and now she's a philanthropist and a movie star again, and has done everything and it never stops. >> it's not often in any city, especially the film city where somebody's career has span over many years, and she still looks
great. >> nothing like a true mike barnicle. >> you hear stories about working with her on the sets, but what was the story of her father? >> actually, the book is the story of a woman wanting to be acknowledged and affirmed and loved, because he never seemed to give it to her. he did not love her but could not say it or show it. her whole life has been a need and expression to get love, first from him and then the other men in her life. >> talk about the other men in her life. the french film direction that began her way. he had done movies in hollywood, and then she came to france and fell in love with him.
irresistible guys. and tom hayden -- >> i am leading up to a punch line. >> there's a political activist, tom hayden, and he is a serious man and taught her politics and got her into life, and then ted turner -- >> that's the punch line. a very complicated man for a father, and tried to express his love but couldn't do it, and then moved to ted turner. ted turner, an extraordinary complicated man. jane fonda does not make it easy for herself. >> no, but she chooses been that remind her of her father. >> ambition men, and successful men, and always attracted to that. >> how would you characterize your relationship with her? good friends? >> friends and colleagues.
>> how is that writing about a friend and a colleague? >> it's difficult -- is she still your friend, by the way? has she read the book -- >> she loves the pictures in the book. >> the pictures are amazing. >> she did not remember all the pictures. she has had over 1 million pictures of her taken. >> what is the highlight of her career? what does she look back and what is she the most proud of? >> certain movies, "the dancer of the marathon." beautiful picture. >> of her and her daughter. very nice. >> the tough-talking call girl, where she is amazing in that. i love "9 to 5." there are several movies.
they are really great movies that she produced and starred in. >> for somebody that has known her for 51 years, what is the biggest miss misperception about her? >> she's really a serious woman and committed to trying to change things. she has various facades, and she has one on television that is slightly different than the one-on-one, like if she was just sitting with you and having coffee or something, she would be very different. >> mike? >> she's jane fonda. >> she is jane. >> she has had this epic life. >> it is epic. >> but there are strands of her life that joe was alluding to, and what is her level of se self-este self-esteem? >> i don't think she has a high level of self-esteem.
i don't know why, but maybe because her father didn't get her love at first. that is surprising to me. because she's super successful. >> wow. fascinating. >> what is she doing later today? >> what do you mean? >> jane fonda, i can take her out for a walk in the park. >> what is wrong with you? >> i'm sorry. >> everybody's in love with her. she's gorgeous. >> he was a costar with audrey hepburn. >> well, not quite. >> would you like to come back on the show? >> oh, thank you. >> she's perfect. >> can't wait to read her book. thank you very much. toys ! the system can't process your response at this time. what ?
>> it's a modestly good morning. we get the employment report on friday, the official employment. we want to know if we will get qe 3 or not, and then we have the jobs created last month. interestingly, more than half of it came from the small businesses, people employing less than 50 workers, and in fact no job growth virtually from businesses that employ over 500. that's interesting. if you try and project through what we will get on friday with the official figures, this is purely private sector. we think that state and federal governments are laying off, and you have to factor in the strike. and although you will see headlines tomorrow saying august
was a terrible month for stocks, and it was, and we're down 4.8%, but what is interesting is the bounce we're getting now. 3.6%, and up six of the last seven sessions. i am not sure whether that's because of the focus on the possibility of qe 3, or because people don't think the economy is as bad. we spoke about the consumer spending report, remember that one? >> yeah, yeah, uh-huh. i guess modestly good is better than nothing. >> we will take modestly good, any day. >> especially when simon says it. >> thank you. mika won't be here -- >> yes i will. i am coming. can't wait. mika has hate in her heart and we will ask her to go to confession for a few minutes while we're talking to dick cheney.
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reds down three, and the solo shot makes it 3-1. and then fifth inning, one drilled off lackey. and watch him when he comes to home plate pap snap of the hands. and he's not happy. and then he drills him in the back. that's not good for pain. who did it first? >> elsberry. >> why don't you just cheer for microsoft? seriously. >> i am a diehard cub fan. >> whatever! you are filling willie geist boots. you know what you are doing. >> i think that went well. yankees win, 5-2.
and then a tough offseason. >> that's nice. it's pretty. >> oh, good news is he didn't drop it underneath the bus. that could happen. >> in madrid, the famous dropping of the trophy -- >> oh, what was that? >> they ran it over. >> what happened? >> got to love that shot, just sayin'. and the worlds master air guitar championships. >> what are they doing? >> the best in the world here, mika. watch the spin, the turn around and the wings rise. oh, yeah. take a listen. >> he looks like buzz lightyear. >> i am expecting to have a lot of serious, serious fun.
what is my strength? i have absolutely no shame. i am not concerned with looking like a fool. i embrace that and i plan on looking like a fool tonight. >> that's america. >> that's a good opener in the cars, i plan on looking like a fool tonight. rn in is village. [ automated voice speaks foreign language ] [ male announcer ] in here, everyone speaks the same language. ♪ in here, forklifts drive themselves. no, he doesn't have it. yeah, we'll look on that. [ male announcer ] in here, friends leave you messages written in the air. that's it right there. [ male announcer ] it's the at&t network. and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say.
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welcome back to "morning joe." time to talk about what we learned today. peter alexander, i learned so much about you. what did you learn? >> you're a hack for willie geist. >> i'm a hack for willie geist? >> that's a sad state. >> what did you learn? >> jane fonda, if you are free, mike barnicle is wanting a walk in the park, just bringing people together. >> what you have learned? >> i such compassion, i want help jane fonda heighten yourself esteem. a spin around the park could -- >> trust me, that would not help her. that would make the situation worse. >> what you have learned? >> i dare all of you, any of you, to play the air guitar that we saw t