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>> and then i get speaker's fees from time to time, but not very much. not very much. >> charles blow is the columnist with "the new york times," jackie kucinich covers politics for "usa today." you've got the pink slips. i like firing people. even though that was kind of out of context. corporations are people. $10,000. he is one of the richest men ever to run for president, but maybe he really doesn't get it. >> i really don't believe that this is -- this is very natural to him. this is his life. >> his life is $374,000. >> and i think that that is the big issue for him, which is that people will not be able to identify. this is the ace of extreme couponing. that is a hit show on
television. >> but do they care if they can he can repair the economy? >> i think identification with the character of a person is important on some level. the idea that you don't have a job, a real job, i mean, we've had rich people before, but in charge of a corporation or you were a senator or you were doing something with your life. you're basically saying i make all of my money from investment for the last ten years doing nothing and i speak about it from time to time, but that's just chump change. just lint in my pocket. people don't necessarily identify with that. when you're trying to -- >> i want to lint. he also pays about 15 p% in taxes, he says. again, the 35% top rate and less than many middle class americans even pay. that 15%. here's newt gingrich's response to what romney pays in taxes. >> first of all, he ought to release his taxes and find out
whether or not it was really 15% and second, i think that we ought to rename our flat tax. we have a 15% flat tax, so this will be a mitt romney flat tax that all americans would pay the rate romney paid. i think that's terrific. >> if mitt romney has a vulnerability that could cost him the nomination, is this it? >> i think it's a -- something his critics are trying to paint him as and right now, he's not helping. this is the third unforced error we've seen from romney on the campaign trial. corporations are people. i like to fire people. even though he was talking about something else. you can click that into an ad, no problem. they haven't really found a way to deal with this yet on the campaign and until they do, his critics are going to keep scoring points by you know, showing that -- by these comments. i mean, and so until they realize how to handle that, it's going to be tough.
it's really going to be tough. >> and we've seen them turning around the web ads. stick around jackie and charles for just a minute. if the president does face off against mitt romney, there's a new poll that shows it's a dead heat right now. joining me now is chris van holland. besides that match up we just showed, 30% of people say that they are worse off than actually since the president took office. 54% say they're the same. just 15% say they're better off. so if that's the question people vote on, is the president in trouble? >> i don't think the president's in trouble. i think the president's recognizes that americans are struggling. mitt romney obviously has a very different view of things given what you were just talking about and is out of touch. but the key question will be whether or not americans sense the economy is headed in the
right direction. and i think the good news is that while the economy remains fragile, we have seen signs of improvement. the key is to make sure whatever action's necessary to sustain that recovery and help nurture that recovery. >> there is a little good news in that poll for the president because he's gaining for his base. most democrats say the country is headed in the right direction. in fact, that number is up 21 points since the fall, but is that enough for him to win an election and the independents are very skeptical as you know. >> again, chris, i think the question is how will the economy behave between now and november and the good news is things do seem to be improving and the president's been clear that we need to extend the payroll tax cut to make sure that 160 million american haves a little l bit more income in their pockets so they can go out and buy goods and services and that
means that more small businesses will be able to sell those and hopefully hire more people. thr some promising signs. now, if the republicans in the house were to get their way today and pass this legislation that would prevent the united states from paying its debts and obligations for the first time in our history, that's a quick way to wreck the economy and hurt jobs. the good news is at the end of the day, more responsible heads i think will prevail, but i think it's an indication of where a lot of the tea party republicans are and i think the more people see that kind of extremism, they'll recognize that the president has presented a much better way forward. >> house republicans today and i'm hearing it's between four and five, are going to take that vote against the debt ceiling, but it's a political vote. it's not going to matter. going into 2012, is it going to be the same often fruitless battles we saw last year? because something else we see in this poll and others is just how much the american people are sick of it.
>> well, that's right. and i don't know what the next ten months in congress will bring. what i do know is that we've got to finish the job with respect to the payroll tax cut. make sure that we extend unemployment compensation for folks out of work through no fault of their own and make sure that doctors who serve patients on medicare get fully reimbursed so they keep seeing those patients. there's our goal. we should be able to do that quickly so long as our republican colleagues aren't doing what they did last december, which is add a lot of unrelated stuff to that. >> mitt romney may be making $374,000 in speaking fees, but you are number 24 on gq's list of the most powerful people in washington. they put a really nice picture up there, too. you getting a lot of ribbing
about that? >> i'll have to figure who else is on that list, but i have to take a look at it. you got to see it before i did. >> thank you so much for coming on on. charles blow, i'll bring him on. the president's campaign by the way is shopping for ad time, so we're at an early stage. if you're putting those ads together, where are you focusing? >> right now, what they're doing is kind of tinkering with the republican primaries. and they're you know, trying to figure out how they can hurt people in advance of the actual match up and in fact, when you see the one to one match up of the president against a republican candidate, those are almost meaningless numbers because you haven't actually seen the president out on the stump against another person. you have to remember that an election is an either/or proposition. without even running and this is
a behemoth. they probably won't quite make it to a million dollars, but it is a very efficient machine and once it's working, those numbers will begin to change and how they change will have something to do with that they do, but also the economy. do not ever underestimate how good president obama is on the stump. >> or how unsettled the republican party is right now because here you have mitt romney leading in these polls and at the same time, this new poll shows three quarters of republicans say it's too early to say for sure who they want the nominee to be. not exactly an overwhelming endorsement for mitt romney and it might be why newt gingrich still thinks he can win south carolina and look who's supporting him. >> if i had to vote in south carolina, in order to keep this thing going, i'd vote for newt and i would want this to
continue, more debates, more vetting of candidates because we know the mistake made in our country four years ago was having a candidate that was not vetted to the degree that he should have been so that we know, knew what his associations and his pals represented and what went into his thinking, the shaping of who our president today is. >> oh, for a minute there -- >> talking about her? i thought she was talking about her not being vetted. >> jackie, is she relevant in this discussion? are people listening to her? >> i don't know how much people are ris listening to her. i think it's interesting what she said. newt is definitely going to use it on the campaign trail. what i'm hear iing from voters hee, i was in west columbia yesterday and a voter told me i want to get this wrapped up as soon as possible because we need someone strong against romney. >> the message she has -- that's the exact opposite message from
sarah palin. >> right. it really depends on who you talk to. i think there are some conservatives, especially, who are saying no, we're not ready yet. but then there are others in the republican party and voters who just want, republicans, who really just want a no, ma'minee this point so they can stop -- so the internal tearing down kind of stops because gingrich right now is telling people to hey, santorum and perry, we should all get together and i should be the conservative candidate so romney doesn't, so romney isn't, you know, automatically the nominee. so i think because of that, it depends on who you side with. gingrich, or romney's fine. >> and how quickly rick santorum dropped out of the conversation. jackie, charles, more to come. thank you, both. one of romney's biggest supporters, there he is. chris christie. had a couple of choice things to say about his weight problem and the possible vp nomination, but
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bridges being built and water systems being built, suer systems being built. if the president starts to focus on that and is able to get the resources from congress to put america back to work, that will be good for the american people, the economy, for president obama as well. >> everybody thinks that putting people back to work is a good idea and obviously, it will be helpful, the kinds of changes that need to be made though, they're not going to happen overnight and that's why ths going to be so much push to slash things out of the budget. what are you worried most about? >> you know, there's, there's we don't want any cuts in education, for example. we don't want cuts in programs that affect women and children. we have to be sure that we're not cutting out regulatory funds that would mean we have less environmental protection or less protection for people who fly or for consumers in the marketplace. so we have to be very careful that we do not effectively undermine america's ability to protect the american people.
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there has to be some spending here. >> let me ask you about your home state and the election. we know ohio is a key presidential battleground and right now, president obama and mitt romney are in a statistical dead heat, but 51% of ohio voter rs say he doesn't deserve another term in office. can barack obama win ohio? >> yes, it's going to depend on getting people back to work. i think there's still time to do it, but of course he can win ohio and the question is, whether he can get people out to vote again who were enthusiastic in 2008 to see him elect ed president. i think they will if they know the economy's coming back and cleveland in northeast ohio, where you see in northern ohio where you see the big democratic vote, people will come out if they start to see the economy come back. >> what's the unemployment rate there? >> it's about, between 8 and 9%. >> so along the national average? >> it's close to the national average, but again, the infrastructure needs in ohio are extraordinary.
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a lot of money pay is closer to 35. >> some people's eyes glaze over, i'm among them, when it comes to defining what taxes are. but clearly, a 15% tax rate is lower than a lot of middle income people pay. so why is there this disparity? basically, nobody's suggesting there's anything illegal here. it's the way the system is set up. >> the way the tax code is set up, it really preferences investment, so the top investment rates, if you're making hundreds of millions or billioning a year, you pay at a top rate of 15% where as athlet athletes, actors are paying the top wage rate of 35.
>> so, let's just take it mitt romney for example. we don't know how much he made last year, but by his own statement, he made about $374,000 in earnings, what he got from speeches, but his overall income, taxed at 15% maximum rate, guesstimated 20, 30 million, right? so, percentage wise, his actual, do you call it earned income? his actual salary was very low comparatively. >> that's exactly right and why his tax rate is as low as it is. there's another issue here in that the particular industry he was in, the private equity tri, they get a huge tax break that not a lot of other people get in that the money investors pay money managers like romney to manage their accounts xwets treated as investment income. so if somebody comes along and
gives romney money to handle their investments, it gets treated as an investment, so he's collecting a paycheck to manage other people's money, but that gets treated as an investment that romney made for tax purposes. >> and that's the law we allowed to go through. thank you so much. let's bring in south carolina chairman and chad connolly, the state republican chairman. when you consider the average south carolina resident earns about $33,000 a year, are they going to be able to appreciate that mitt romney says he didn't make much when he earned about 374,000 speaking last year? >> i was in a couffee shop this morning and that was the topic of conversation. >> it was? >> somebody said to me, a guy that says i had inconsequential speaking income, almost
$400,000, it shows just really how out of touch this guy is. he's a richie rich guy. born on third base, thought he hit a triple. had a rich dad that worked in the auto industry and this is going to be become more and more apparent. i will also tell you his refusal to release his tax returns and newt gingrich is urging him, indicates he's got something to hide. and this is not from our perspective, the democrat's perspective, this is wonderful. between santorum, gingrich and romney, it's beginning to resemble a three stooges movie. no eye gouging yet, but we expect it before saturday. >> even chrkrichris christie wa pressed on it this morning. said i think sooner is better, earlier rather than later to get these tax returns out. is romney going to have a connection problem with south carolina republicans because of
this? >> hey, chris, thanks for having me again. glad to be here. i think the people of south carolina are a lot smarter than that and they realize that obamacare and attacks part of justice on voter i.d. laws are more important than the fact that mr. romney's been a successful business man and we have low taxes on capital gains, which is right for investments. it's what creates investments. >> but i guess the question is is he out of touch with the average person? when you say i didn't make much, 374,000, when the average person in your state makes $33,000. >> i don't think anybody thinks it's a mystery that governor romney's been very successful in business and has helped create thousands of jobs. and saturday, we're going to pick the next nominee of the are republican side and beat barack obama next fall. >> is that what's going to happen or do you think we might get a surprise now?
>> i can tell you just talking to folks on the ground here, republicans do talk to me from time to time. there is something going on and what's going on is mitt romney did terribly at the debate monday night. he drew a tiny crowd in florence yesterday. i'm hearing rumblings of people defecting to newt and santorum and i can tell you, based on what we're seeing in this process, there's no question, the big winner on saturday in south carolina is going to be barack obama. >> because? >> because they're all looking terrible. mitt is just disintegrating. newt got endorsed by sarah palin yesterday. and santorum is frantically trying to make himself more evangelical, more right wing, so that he can get more votes here. this is not america. this is if these guys are are playing to get extreme votes in south carolina, romney's reinventing himself again.
he doesn't want people to remember he passed a law banning assault weapons, raised taxes on guns in massachusetts while he vetoed a $75 a year supervision fee for child predators. >> i want to get chad's -- >> if this comes out -- >> i want to get a quick reaction from chad before we move on. this is an editorial in the "wall street journal." team obama will spend $1 billion assailing the republican as a morally obtuse fat cat who doesn't understand the problem of average americans. if mr. romney doesn't want to spebd the campaign defending his 15% tax rate, he'll get out and propose serious tax reform. are they right? >> the failed president of president obama is going to use every deflection his team can think of. >> that's "the wall street journal" editorial page. >> worst president in american history, also the most failed. our candidates are right. this is a primary.
this is going on this way because you see a bare knuckle brawl. our guys will come together and be relating just fine to the folks in south carolina and barack obama's not going to be the big winner here saturday. >> always great to have you. thank you. mitt romney might have another numbers problem. his jobs record at bain. so we've had msnbc's richard lui looking into this and what did you find? >> yeah, it's a 17-year debate. mitt romney's job creation numbers. the obama campaign asking for a numbers guy, why all the different jobs numbers? romney's 1994 senate campaign ad said he helped create 10,000 jobs and built 20 businesses. then to 2011. romney then saying tens of thousands of jobs and 100 businesses created. later that year, he says over 100,000 jobs and then today, 120,000. which led nbc's peter alexander
to ask this question. >> 120,000 versus 100,000 jobs. which should we stick with? >> let's get the math. four companies created 120,000 jobs. very simple. >> the romney campaign says the president lost 1.7 million jobs since taking office. that's the difference as you see here. when he took office to today. a down move of 1.7 million to the current number of people employed there. here's how the obama campaign reacted to this question. >> the president took office, we still have 1.7 million fewer jobs -- >> candy, you know -- when he was campaigning for president in 2007 and 2008, governor romney had nothing but praise for the economic policies that were in place at that time as america was sliding in the worst recession since the great depression. >> this is the fact. >> the counter to this romney argument, only count jobs created after the free fall was
halted. basically in this space right here, after hitting bottom and the stimulus took effect. if you just look at this space here, that's 2.4 million jobs added from here to here, which could make romney's claimed experience creating ten or 100,000 jobs look incremental or when you look at how that experience might be used to increase the u.s. economy, instrumental. >> thank you so much. and i'm sure you've seen this or at least heard about it. the popular website is down today. wikipedia joining other sites as part of a protest against an internet antipiracy bill being considered in congress. also joining the protest, the singer song writer i've got a crush on president obama from 2008. check out her new video. ♪
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the heated phone calls shortly after the accident show a coast guard official ordering the captain back on board the ship. the bodies of five more passengers have been found, raising the death toll to 11. retired coast guard admiral james loi joins me now. what goes through your mind when you hear that conversation? >> aside if the italian that i'm not too good at, i understand the challenge of a coast guard
officer's attempting to get him back on board. the extraordinary judgment flaw from the very beginning seems to be the issue here. it's a question of leadership and judgment of a guy provided enormous responsibility as the captain of a ship at sea with over 4,000 passengers and a crew to be responsible for. and his absolutely total lack of apparent total lack of recognizing that responsibility and behaving accordingly. >> and obviously, it's made a lot of people nervous. i've seen articles in the paper down in miami, worried about what it's going to do to the cruise industry. let's talk about cruise safety. in this case, we saw the captain, we heard him, that he abandoned the damaged ship. what's the responsibility of captains? is it that you go down with the
ship? >> that's the romantic, traditional notion. i liken to to a two sided coin. life at sea as captain of a ship, whether military platform or cruise ship is one of the last bas ons of authority, independence, but on the other side is mission accomplishment and responsibility and it seems so far, the evidence suggests that the captain never looked at the other side of the coin because his only mission frankly is to safe lly navigate that platform from point a to b and when you step away from that responsibility of safe navigation of the platform, you have ab regaited your responsibility at a captain of a ship at sea. >> colorado congresswoman sponsored the safety act signed into law last year, but says more oversight is needed, that this is a highly unregulated industry. is there something the government, the u.s. government can and should be doing to keep
you safe on a cruise? >> well, i think frankly, the context looking over the industry's record over a long, long period of time is a rather extraordinarily positive record of safety. the industry basically running itself as an extraordinarily safety conscious industry segment. the international maritime organization is a standard setting body as sub siz yar to the united nations and some 130 plus nations that are members of the international maritime organization sign on to the standards established by the organization. for example, in the aftermath of titanic in 1912, over the course of a year or so, finally issued was a safety of life at sea convention signed in 1914 and signed on to by the member nations of the international maritime organization. that has been improved over time, both with respect to
advancing technology and better policies. so that today, the soleless convention as it's known, sort of defines that safety convention for anybody on the high seas. the reality in this instance is that on the technical side, certification societies like the american bureau shipping here in the united states or lord's register, have an annual responsibility to board those vessels and check for the integrity of a vessels. that includes navigation systems, anchor, changes, all the things you would want to have validated in some sort of frequency, in this case, annually. >> we're out of time, but this has been a fascinating discussion and we thank you so much for coming on. >> thank you. and the fate of that ship has been a trending topic on twitter. today's tweet of the day comes from you. girl post writes 1912, the
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