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than it already is. if newt isn't ready to challenge that in debate, president obama should be. this is going to be a great national election this fall. we can thank newt gingrich for making it an even hotter one. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. welcome to "politics nation." i'm al sharpton. willard and newt will face off tonight in another huge debate in florida. it comes after a day of intense and personal attacks. we'll cover all the drama live from jacksonville. we begin with this. all of this republican infight meg not matter much. really. not if this economy picks up steam. and, folks, it looks like it is. the belief that this economy will get better has jumped 16 points since october. it's now at its highest point in a year, and the president's
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handling of the economy, well, he's seen a net swing of 13 points since just last month. it makes sense. his message connects. >> we do not begrudge success in america. we aspire to it. we want everybody to succeed. just yesterday, bill gates said he agrees with me that most -- that americans who can't afford it should pay their fair share. i promise you, bill gate does not envy the rich. he doesn't envy wealthy people. this has nothing to do with envy. it has everything to do with man. >> and the math is simple. things are adding up. for the president, he has a winning message. plus, an economy that's moving in the right direction. this is the year for fairness whether the gop likes it or not. joining me now is florida congresswoman debbie wasserman-schultz, chairwoman of
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the democratic national committee. congresswoman, great to have you with us tonight. >> reverend al, it's always great to be with you. thank you so much. >> let me ask you, madam chairlady, will this election be won or lost on the economy? what's the strongest message the democrats have? >> i think this election, reverend al, will be won by barack obama because he has taken our economy and focused on making sure that everyone in america has an opportunity to be successful. that we can set up the economy to be built to last. taking us from bleeding 750,000 jobs a month when he first took office to now three years later, we've had 22 straight months of job growth in the private sector. a resurgent manufacturing industry. created more jobs there since 1997. and we're pushing hard to make sure that when it comes to tax policy, there's no incentive for companies like there is now to offshore jobs to other countries. that we can manufacture things and create jobs here in america
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and make it in america. unlike republicans, the whole field tonight that you will hear continue to try to outright wing each other, ton focus on millionaires and billionaires and give people who are already doing well an opportunity to do even better. and there's nothing wrong with that. but when you only care about people who are already doing well, that's a pretty dramatic contrast between the direction president obama wants to take this country and the republicans. >> there's no doubt about it. but let me be very candid with you, congresswoman. as chair lady of the democratic party, i expect you to say that. so do our viewers. let me play you something we wouldn't expect to hear. mr. willard mitt romney. let me let you hear what he said about the economy. >> how do you answer the president's argument that the economy is getting better in a general election campaign if you yourself are saying that it's getting better. >> well, of course it's getting better. the economy always gets better after a recession. there's always a recovery. >> isn't that a hard argument to make if you are saying like, okay, he inherited this
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recession and took a bunch of steps to try to turn the economy around. now we're seeing some more jobs but vote against him anyway? isn't that a hard argument to make? >> it just happens to be the truth. >> it happens to be the truth. willard said the economy is getting better. now i'm sure willard may not say that tonight on the stage. but i didn't give anything for christmas, congresswoman. i'll give you this tape. willard said it himself. >> well, i so appreciate you showing me that mitt romney has acknowledged the economy is doing better and that's just the truth. this way when we catch him saying the opposite as he has on the stage, on the previous 18 debates that we can call him on it. but i think the american people see that things are getting better. barack obama knows we have a long way to go. that we've got to continue to fight hard to create more jobs. and help make sure that people have an opportunity to do even
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better. but, you know, we need to work together on that. president obama has focused on trying to bring people together. unfortunately, the republicans continue to only be focused on one job, his, and we're focused on trying, as he mentioned in the state of the union to give everybody in america an opportunity to live the american dream. it's critical. and that is going to be the contrast. >> let me show you newton leroy gingrich, the other contender. he was hitting mr. romney on foreclosures. what he's essentially hitting romney on is how he's unfair in this regard and all of that. let me let you hear what newton had to say. >> here's a guy who owns freddie mac and fannie mae stock. he owns a goldman sachs subsidiary which is foreclosing on floridians. we wants to run a campaign where he drowns me in mud with money he raises from people foreclosing floridians. i think he has a lot of gall to start raising the issue.
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i think we ought to find out, so how much money has he made over the years foreclosing on floridians. >> now aside from the personal attacks and i'm sure we'll hear enough of that in the debate, hasn't the president really changed the conversation? because now we have them talking about foreclosures. we have them talking about the economy. hasn't the president really began making them come back to what the american people are really concerned about? >> well, there's not a lot of times i'd say i'd agree with newt gingrich. mitt romney does have a lot of nerve talking about foreclosures. not only because he invested $500,000 in fannie and freddie, but because a few months ago, remember reverend al he said he didn't think we should do anything to help people remain in their homes. we should just let the housing crisis hit rock bottom and let investors come in and scoop up the properties and sell them for a profit. the other day here in florida,
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he suggested to homeowners who were struggling to be able to remain in their homes that maybe they could buy each other's houses and swap. i mean, that's how dramatically out of touch he is. then today we learned when it comes to his finances, he didn't include a swiss bank account in his financial disclosure when he filed for president. you want to talk about an oops moment? i've been in office 19 years, reverend al. i wouldn't think that it was okay or that i didn't need to include a swiss bank account on my financial disclosure. it's clear -- >> don't make a big deal -- don't make a big deal out of that. i bet you $10,000 he just forgot it. hold on one second. let's stand by one second. i want to bring in jerod bernstein. thanks for coming on the show tonight. >> my pleasure, reverend al.
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>> let me ask you as an economist. in your view, how strong is the economic recovery? >> the economic recovery has something it hasn't had before and that's a little bit of momentum. some of the problems that were holding the economy back have gotten better. they're not all better by any stretch of the imagination. housing appears to have carved out a bottom. it's not getting better. it's not getting a lot worse. the job market now, remember, the unemployment rate peaked at 10% back in late 2009. so now we're talking about a trend. and whether it's unemployment, gdp, job growth itself, basically, the trend is your friend on these measures. we're not anywhere back to where we need to be but we have some momentum moving in the right direction. >> and the fact is if you look at polls, a clear majority of american people think the richest aren't pair their fair share. how can the republican es run o protecting this unfairness and
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ignoring the fact that most americans feel that it's unfair. >> it's a critical question, reverend al. throughout this discussion so far, you've talked about the economy and you've talked about fairness. the two do not naturally go together. and this is a point i really want to make right here. you can have economic growth year in, year out. you can have strong productivity growth. you can have the unemployment rate coming down. we saw this in the 2000s and the middle class fell behind. it's not just that they didn't get ahead fast enough. the poverty rates went up in those years as the economy was expanding. so it's not enough. you can't rest your aurels on economic growth. you need to think about the way that's shared. is the prosperity broadly shared or narrowly concentrated at the top of the income scale. and that's why the mitt romney debate is so important right now because not saying anything about the candidate himself. he embodies so many of the very trends that have led to this
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level of income concentration, this disconnect between growth and fairness. >> congresswoman, let me ask you before we have to go. one of the things that i think sticks out in this campaign that has bothered me more than anything is that when you raise the question of unfairness, you accused of being envious. and i really think that it is beyond to say that just because people want fairness, that's all, that they are somehow jealous or somehow envious. are the democrats running, not only the president but for congress and senate, are they going to yield any ground on this fight for fairness this year? >> absolutely not. reverend al, as someone on the ballot later this year myself and represents a district here in florida, in south florida, we as democrats are going to continue to fight to make sure that the tax code is fair for everybody. that everybody has an opportunity to be successful. small business owners benefit from the 17 different tax breaks
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that barack obama pushed through and that congress passed under our leadership. it's incredibly important that we make sure that when it comes to success, it's not envy. it's just that we need to make sure that everybody has an opportunity to live the american dream. and that trickle down economics which has never worked, it's been proven time and again to fail, not be given a foothold again and will leave the middle class and working families out in the cold. that's the contrast that will be set up once the general election really ensues. >> dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz and jared bernstein. thank you both for joining me. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. ahead -- willard and newt face off tonight after a day of slinging mud. we'll go there live. plus -- >> chris christie under fire for making some outrageous comments about civil rights. >> the fact of the matter is that i think people would have been happy to have a referendum
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on civil rights rather than fighting and dieing ying in the streets. >> i'm responding tonight. and more disrespect for president obama. arizona governor jan brewer pointing at the president. there's an ugly pattern here. we'll talk about it. you're watching "politics nation" on msnbc. [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus presents: the cold truth. i have a cold. and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] sorry buddy. truth is, nyquil doesn't un-stuff your nose. what? it doesn't have a decongestant. really? [ male announcer ] you need a more complete cold and flu formula, like alka-seltzer plus liquid gels. it's specially formulated to fight your worst cold and flu symptoms, plus relieve your stuffy nose. [ deep breath ] thank you! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] and to fight your allergy symptoms fast,
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what does the most feared man in the gop look like? like newton leroy gingrich. the republican establishment is flipping out over newt's recent surge. as politico reports today, panicked conservatives like ann coulter, tom delay, matt drudge and even bob dole are coming out to hammer gingrich before it's too late. they are ready to bring him down. and newt's getting mad. today he came out swinging ha harder at romney than ever before, preparing for tonight's showdown in the debate.
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>> we're not going to beat ra ba rack obama with some guy that has swiss bank accounts, cayman bank accounts and is himself a stockholder in fannie mae and freddie mac while he thinks the rest of us are too stupid to put the dots together and understand what this is all about. >> more bad news today for willard. with those swiss bank accounts. as we just heard, romney failed to report more than half dozen offshore holdings in his federal ethics filing. he also failed to disclose income from a multimillion-dollar swiss bank account. he is now revising those ethics forms but is yet another big flub and gingrich is ready to pounce. >> that's how much he thinks we're stupid. we're not stupid. the message we should give mitt romney is, you know, we aren't that stupid and you aren't that clever. >> joining me now, bob franken,
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a king feature syndicated columnist and jackie kucinich, national politics reporter for "usa today." she's in jacksonville, florida, tonight. thank you both for being here. >> good evening. >> thank you. >> jackie, you are in jacksonville. what are people saying about newt's explosive comments today? >> you know, i think people who like newt love it. they love seeing gingrich with the fire in the belly. they want to see him -- i was talking to voters today who want to see him take romney out. they really want him to keep hammering on romney. so for the people that love him best, they couldn't be happier that newt is back to being aggressive newt again. >> now let me ask you this, bob. you've covered newt a long time. but just today, just at events today, newt has called willard grotesquely hypocritical, a liar, shameful, dishonest, fundamentally abusive.
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you think that pledge of being all positive is over? >> well, as somebody who has covered newt for quite awhile, i am a little bit worried about him. he may be a little tired. obviously, he was having a down day with his adjectives. but i would say that this is probably maybe a standard day. but he really doesn't need to do that. it seems that mitt romney is going out of his way to hand this to him. this disclose buesure about the bank accounts. it raises a red flag with anybody. everybody believes that this is the kind of thing that's associated with organized crime figures and the like. and while there's no indication that's the case with the romneys, apparently their purpose for doing it, according to the spokesman was to have some holdings, millions of dollars of holdings, in international currency. that's the kind of thing that corporations do. now we know what he means when he says corporations are people. he's the corporation. >> now jackie, you are down
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there. we know with the established republican machine is saying. what are you hearing from the average people? this is all going to come down to how floridians, republicans that are floridians, are going to vote next tuesday. what are you hearing on the ground in florida? >> i mean, who among us haven't forgotten a swiss bank account or two. it just happens. no, i'm kidding, obviously, but i think it depends on who you talk to really. i mean, different events. you'll talk to different people. i was at a romney event today. and the people -- most of the people there were decided. they were romney supporters and they were saying this guy is solid. he is someone who can lead the country like business and really get things done. you go to gingrich events and you are hearing the same thing from them saying he's got passion. he'll beat obama. you hear that from gingrich people about them wanting gingrich to take the president to task in a debate. i think that's one of the things
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driving his popularity. i think people are really excited about that possibility. in addition to, they think he's a really smart guy. so again, it depends on who you talk to as to whether mitt or newt. but it seems to be coming down to those two. >> now who is drawing the best crowds, by the way? >> gingrich. i mean, well, i haven't been to all of romneys events. thousands of people. i was at one yesterday in cocoa beach. and he just -- he is pulling tons and tons of people. but, you know, who knows if that will translate into votes. i mean, santorum had huge crowds in new hampshire and we saw how that worked out. so it -- all those people doesn't necessarily translate into votes. there's a lot of interest in newt gingrich right now. >> bob, you've seen debates come and go. but tonight is critical because it could really decide if the polls are right, as close as this is, it could decide who tips toward having the momentum
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into tuesday. what does willard have to do tonight, particularly in light of the swiss accounts that he did not disclose coming out? what does newt have to do tonight? >> well, i think what mr. romney has to do is to have it translated into the various languages of switzerland, for one thing. all that gingrich ark parentally has to do is say things like swiss bank accounts and all this type of thing. we haven't even gotten to the immigration debate. but really, right now, newt probably just has to play defensive judo. it looks like when someone is mauling themselves, you just stand back. that seems to be what's happening. jackie a moment ago brought up crystallized pretty much the romney argument which is that the campaign -- the country needs somebody who has business experience. he certainly does have business experience with the disclosures about where his money has gone in foreign countries. the business is one like those that are outsourcing all the time.
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>> i think that that's going to come to harm him. clearly saying the business experience. but then you don't disclose everything doesn't -- if that's your calling card, doesn't look well. jackie, how much and how important is the latino vote in florida, and who seems to be faring better in that community? romney is faring better among cubans. but the hispanic vote isn't as big of a deal in the primary as it is the general. it's important. make no mistake. but it's not as pivotal as it will be. and, you know, romney's had some issues. immigration isn't necessarily the most important issue to hispanics. but it's -- i read today, someone said it sets a tone and that's one of the reasons jeb bush wouldn't endorse romney because of his immigration stance. i think going forward, there needs -- romney needs to figure out a way to talk about that in a way that isn't offensive or
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doesn't seem abrasive to the his spannic community. >> a lot of these primaries so far and caucus has been driven by the anger, the apparent anger of the republican voter, the tea party-type voter. does the fact that the establishment is going after newt help him or hurt him? >> right now, he certainly is turning it to his advantage. we have to be fair and point out the politics of resentment that everybody talks about is universal this year. everybody is running a campaign of resentment, including barack obama who is appealing to those who resent those who believe that the wealthy are abusing the system. >> bob franken and jackie kucinich, thank you both for joining us. >> thank you. coming up -- a big boost for president obama. the brand new nbc poll straight ahead. plus -- new outrage over a
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for years hispanics in east haven, connecticut have been complaining about police harassment and racial profiling. a justice department report last month found a pattern of bias against latinos.
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and this week, four of the town's police officers were charged with civil rights violations and obstruction of justice. the town's mayor's response, outrageous. >> what are you doing for the latino community today? >> i might have tacos when i go home. i'm not quite sure yet. >> i might have tacos. these four officers are accused of beating handcuffed suspects, arresting people on false pretenses and trying to cover up their actions. and in response, you might have tacos? the mayor has since apologized, but is still facing major critici criticism. an editorial entitled, the mayor is an idiot and an immigration group is bringing 500 tacos to the mayor's office. the main thing here is the mayor revealed the kind of bias that hispanic residents have been complaining about for years.
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the justice department is investigating 16 other law enforcement agencies for racial bias across the country. i hope officials in those towns have a more appropriate response. the most rewards of any small business credit card. it's hard for my crew to keep up with 2% cash back on every purchase, every day. 2% cash back. that's setting the bar pretty high. thanks to spark, owning my own business has never been more rewarding. [ male announcer ] introducing spark the small business credit cards from capital one. get more by choosing unlimited double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase, every day. what's in your wallet? this guy's amazing.
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do we want to keep these tax cuts for the wealthiest americans or do we want to keep investing in everything else? like education, like clean energy, like a strong military, like caring for our veterans who are coming home from iraq and afghanistan. we can't do both. we can't do both. >> president obama rallied the crowd in las vegas earlier today and his message appears to be working. the just released nbc news/"wall street journal" poll has the president's favorability jumping 5 points up in the last month. in the head-to-head matchups, he leads mitt romney by six points.
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tripling his lead from a month ago. and against newt gingrich, he's in command with an 18-point margin. 55% to 37%. but there's a long way to go, and president obama's ready to make his message and take it out of washington and to the people. joining me now is bob shrum, democratic strategist and a professor at nyu and bill schneider, a resident scholar at third way and an opinion contributor for politico. he's writing about president obama's state of the union rallying his troops. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> happy to be here, al. >> now let me start with you. does the president have the momentum to carry him to november? >> well, he's beginning to get that momentum. i think people aren't convinced yet. but they think that the economy is getting better. that's reflected in the numbers. i think in the state of the
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union message, he not only set out an argument about what we ought to do in terms of a vision for the future, but he also drew some dividing lines and set a basic question for this election. who is going to fight for the middle class? who is going to fight for ordinary hard working americans? i think you're seeing that reflected in these poll numbers. at the same time, romney has taken on a lot of water during this process. his favorable/unfavorables are now upside down. and i think the president is on a -- not on a glide path. it's going to be a bumpy road but he's on the path who what's going to be a real victory in november. >> bill, let me show you this. the president if you deal with his positive ratings, 11 points above his negative ratings, whereas romney's negative ratings are 5 points above his positive. gingrich has negative ratings that are 22 points above his positive. the president's positive and negative ratings in detail. now he's at 50%.
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negative 39%. just last month only at 45, negative 42. so this looks good. but tell me you know this better than most in the analysis world. where are the dangers? what should we be careful of, those of us that are favorable to the president? >> well, the biggest danger is that we've seen this happen before. it happened at the beginning of 2010 and 2011. people were becoming more optimistic. americans always want to be optimistic. they see hope out there. then those hopes were dashed by some dramatic event like the bp oil spill and the economy began to take a tumble and people lost faith. we hope that doesn't happen again this year. certainly obama hopes that. but we've seen the ratings rise and then fall again at the beginning of the last two years. >> now bob, independent of any unforeseen problem, one of the things that we're seeing is the president has a much different
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message, and a much different orientation to the american public and voter than the republicans. and today he talked about his positive version of america as compared to the republicans. listen to this. >> whether it's mr. romney or mr. gingrich or mr. santorum or whoever else they might decide to select, they represent a fundamentally different vision of america. and it's not the bold, generous, forward looking optimistic america that i think built this country. >> is the different view of america, the optimism that the president so dramatically displayed in the state of the union, is that contrast part of what's helping to drive a more favorable view of the president? >> sure. especially when combined with what bill calls the sense of well-being that people are beginning to feel. there could be some exoginous
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event that put the economy back in the wrong place instead of this path to recovery. i think what the president has done and he's done it well, starting in that speech in kansas, is he's identifying with mainstream america, with ordinary middle class americans, with people who have gone through some tough times in the last few years. and he's campaigning for fairness. i think that is a powerful argument, especially this year. i think when you look at the reaction to romney's release of his tax returns and how people are reacting to the swiss bank accounts you have this whole sense that there's this huge pent-up desire there for people who play by the rules, people who do their part, people who contribute and that includes the wealthy. and the president is speaking to that and i think he's speaking to it very effectively. >> now let me ask you, bill. when you look at the numbers of -- on the national level of the republican candidates, you have gingrich at 37%, romney
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28%, santorum 18%, paul 12%. so it appears that gingrich in the national poll has a comfortable lead. why do you think that's the case? >> because he shows fight. that's what partisans want to see. democrats want to see it, too. they want a candidate who shows fight. nominations are controlled by partisans. gingrich showed a lot of fight when he picked a fight with the press in every debate and mostly in the recent debate with fox news and with cnn. they love that. they want to see gingrich stand up to obama. they dream about a debate between newt gingrich and barack obama because newt gingrich will get in obama's face. what do they worry about? the numbers you just showed, that newt gingrich would lose badly to obama. if the polls show romney would lose to obama, too, then gingrich would say, i'm losing, fellow? you're losing, too, why don't we go with the candidate who shows more fight. >> bob, when you see the poll between romney and gingrich,
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newt's lead is even bigger. with that reality in the debate tonight and the swiss accounts, if newt wins in florida, you've run a lot of campaigns. how does romney turn it around? can this establishment stop him if newt gets away in florida next tuesday? >> i haven't seen the republican establishment in this much of a lather since barry goldwater was headed for the nomination in 1964. they are going to do everything they can. their assumption is that even if he loses florida and right now romney in most of the polls in florida, has polled ahead. looking at these national numbers he better pray he wins florida. they are going to depend if he loses on money, on organization, on the notion that they can just wear gingrich down over a long period of time. i think there is something happening inside this republican primary. it may get short circuited by florida. but these voters want someone who, as bill said, expresses fight. i would put it someone who expresses their anger. someone who is going to carry
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their case. and almost apocalyptic terms. if you watch this debate tonight, i don't think you'll see a laid back newt gingrich. i think you'll see a fast and furious newt gingrich and maybe the same thing from mitt romney. >> bill, for whatever reasons, mr. romney decided not to run on his record as governor. he ran as a businessman. and now he seems to be fumbling as a businessman in terms of forgetting to make disclosures. it doesn't smell right. it just doesn't fit right when you say i know how to run a business, oh, i forgot to make disclosures. what has to happen tonight for him to try to make this a one-day story? what does he do if bob is right and newt comes hunting for bears, as they say, tonight. >> he's got to be able to defend himself in simple direct terms that will connect with people. he has a lot of trouble doing that. you know how many business executives we've elected president? just two. both of them were named bush.
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we don't normally elect business executives. mitt romney's job is head of bain capital was not to create jobs, which is what he likes to argue. it was to create wealth. now sometimes that helps create jobs but often it doesn't help create jobs. so his special expertise, particularly if he did not play by the rules. that's what president obama talked about in his state of the union. he targeted china. he targeted wall street. he said the fairness issue is about playing by the rules. and if there's increasing evidence that mitt romney doesn't play by the same rules as everybody else, he'll be in very big trouble. >> bob, bill, thanks to both of you for your time tonight. coming up -- chris christie has become such a darling of the gop. but now he thinks he's an expert on the civil rights movement. i'll respond. and next, jan brewer disrespects the president. and why it's part of an ugly pattern. on my journey across a,
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secretary of state hillary clinton told state department employees today, she plans to leave her post once president obama is elected to a second term. >> i think after 20 years, and it will be 20 years, of being on the highwire of american politics and all of the challenges that come with that, it would be probably a good idea
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condescending. according to reports, they were talking at the same time over each other. i don't care what differences you have. the pointing is unacceptable. it's flat out disrespectful. but she's not apologizing. >> he's very thin skinned. i thought he was thin skinned. he walked away. i was in the middle of a sentence and he walked away. i wasn't angry at all. i felt a little bit threatened, if you will, in the attitude he had because i was there to welcome him. >> thin skinned? you felt threatened? what does that even mean you felt threatened? by the president of the united states? this is yet another example of disrespect and delegitimatizing this president. >> the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally. >> you lie!
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>> he is an avowed muslim and he has no legal right to be calling himself president. >> well, i'm doing my best to try to get him out. >> i just don't think that president obama understands america. >> this kind of casually ugly talk is rare against a president. as for governor brewer, there is a history here. in june of 2010, she met with the president at the white house to discuss the arizona immigration law. here's how she described the meeting immediately afterwards to the press. >> it was a very cordial discussion. >> what was the tone like? >> very cordial. very, very cordial. >> i feel that it was a successful meeting. i'm encouraged by that. >> a very cordial and successful meeting. but then in november, she released her book "scorpions for breakfast" and described the
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meeting in a different light. "after a few minutes, the president's tone got serious and condescending. he proceeded to lecture me about everything he was doing." so governor brewer, when were you telling the truth? when you just walked out of the meeting and told the press in front of the white house with a smile on your face how it was cordial and how the tone was very good, positive, or when you wrote a book saying it was condescending and he was lecturing you? what your trying to sell? books or were you acting in front of the white house? and then let me ask this. you showed up yesterday at the plane with a letter to give the president. and you wanted to hand it to him. here's a lady that had written a book attacking the president. a lady that is fighting the president on immigration who the justice department has hit her state on racial profiling. you showed up with a letter. i met with the left three met
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prts, one i marched on. in fact two of them. clinton and bush. but i never showed up with a letter because if you show up with a letter, you are looking for a confrontation. you are a governor. if you want to invite the president somewhere, you are talking to him. the only reason you bring a letter is to dramatize and confront. joining me now is joe madison, host of "mornings with madison" on sirius xm radio. what do you make of brewer's disrespect? >> i guess both of us have been in some of those marches. i've been with you. presidents, republican and democrat. you know that we both have been at the white house to discuss all kinds of things and sometimes we've disagreed without pointing our fingers at the president. look. let me tell you what my audience said today, and it was a hot topic. i had people say everything from he should have bent the finger to the secret service should have had her face down on the tarmac because of pointing a
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finger is a threatening gesture. but here's what is so sad. right wing radio and the other network are praising the governor for, what, ill-mannered behavior. ill-mannered behavior. we all have been taught, your mama taught you, my mama taught me you never point your finger at people and put it in their face. and i give the president of the united states credit for doing what? walking away. and i think that he proved himself a decent role model for when you do have confrontation with unreasonable people, the best thing to do is not argue with them. i'll close by saying my grandmother taught me that, joe, sometimes when you argue with a fool, people begin to wonder whose the fool. he did the right thing, and he's the one that should be the role
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model. >> your grandmother must have known my mother. she told me the same thing. but the thing that i also want to point out and my radio show today, three hours ihad the same thing. but the other thing that i think we've got to deal with is the pattern. that's why i've showed others that have disrespected this president. there's a pattern of disrespect. there's a pattern of trying to act like he's not really the president. and we definitely should deal with brewer but we should deal with all of them. and i think if we just act like brewer is an isolation, then we are not being honest about this whole climate of disrespecting this president. >> you were 100% right. and let's add two more to your list. and that might be the thing to do on our shows, reverend sharpton is just start listing these things. for example if you noticed, newt gingrich never refers to him as president obama. you never have the rush limbaughs, the sean hannitys.
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they won't do it. they won't do it and they are doing that deliberately. here's the other thing. i was on a debate show the other day debating somebody who there's another list to add to your list. brought up his grades. and that was donald trump who started that foolishness. excuse me. what 50-year-old-plus man has to provide his grades. what, getting elected as the president of the harvard review is not enough? graduating from your college with honors? this is nothing more, and i'll just say it straight up. there are some people, not all, in this country who cannot stand the fact that this is an african-american who is now one of the most powerful individuals on the planet. and there are those who cannot consciously and subconsciously handle it. i know people don't want to hear that, but that's the truth. and so you -- >> you know you're not going to
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get a debate from me. they brought race in. they put a race deck on the table. if you pull a card, it's a race card because they set the deck. i'm talking about those on the other side of this argument. joe madison, thank you for joining us tonight. >> we'll be right back.
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we're back with some great news about a friend of the show. today we learned congressman barney frank and his longtime partner will get married in massachusetts. a state where gay marriage has been legal since 2004. it's another sign of progress we're making toward equal rights in the country. but some people just don't get it. this week, new jersey's republican governor chris christie vowed to veto a gay marriage veto and said it should become a voter referendum instead. he then said this about civil rights. >> the fact of the matter is that i think people would have been happy to have a referendum,
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you know, on civil rights, rather than fighting and dieing in the streets in the south. >> you need a history lesson, governor. in early 1964, just 20% of white voters in the south approved of the civil rights act being debated in congress. and later that year, 57% of all americans said racial integration was happening, quote, too fast. so governor christie, do you really think civil rights should have been decided by referendums in the states? you said people would have been happy to have a referendum. i'm sure they would have because blacks couldn't vote in those states during the civil rights movement. so not only did the majority of whites oppose civil rights, they would have been the only ones that could vote. you either need a lesson in history or are you trying to tell us how you really feel about civil rights and the achi

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