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last year we took dozens of trips using membership rewards points to meet with farmers that grow our sweet potatoes and merchants that sell our product. vo: get the card built for business spending. call 1-800-now-open to find out how the gold card can serve your business. from new york, i'm chris hayes. mitt romney won big in nevada caucuses last night. while newt gingrich claimed rumors he was going to drop out was the romney campaign's, quote, greatest fantasy. joining me today we have the one and only melissa perry, tulane university professor and host of the new msnbc show melissa perry, i never had to pronounce that word. i only read it. s that same name as you. premiering right after this show
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february 18. we are incredibly excited about this development. you should be, too. michelle goldberg, seen yosh krshting writer to "newsweek" and "the daily beast." also returning to the program emily slaughter princeton university, professor and former director of policy planning for the obama state department. it is great to have you here. there's a lot going on in the world. amy goodman, host of "the daily independent show," "democracy now." >> it is great to be with you. congratulations, melissa. >> it is going to be great. in nevada last night, more or less, i would -- i would say this is not the most dramatic way to lead into a story. but basically -- basically a dog bites mankind of situation. romney was pulling up by 25 points. and the final results romney, 48%. britch, are -- gingrich, 1223%.
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another big win on fuss. the turnout was pretty underwhelming. final numbers are not in but less than 43,000 republican which is is the number who caucused in 2008. last night gingrich -- i just -- the -- greek drama, newt gingrich, continues fascinate and at time delight and sometimes horrify. last night he gave a long sprawl ring press conference. let's remember, this is a man who stood up in the well of house and accused the speaker of the house being completely being come prime minister iced for pioneering an entire modern version of how to with grevigor destroy the reputation and record of your opponents by manipulating and distorting what they had done. this is his reaction to -- i think the fairly light treatment he has received at the hands of the romney campaign last night talking in a press conference. >> i was surprised. go back and look at the second debate. i have never had a person stand
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next to me in a civil engagement and be as substantially dishonest as he was. i-didn't have any good mechanisms. i will by the next debate. i didn't have any good mechanisms to turn to somebody that was being blatantly dishonest to the entire country for candidate it is a president. >> that moment, newt gingrich, i have never seen such dishonesty in politics who i thought we were all in church. what is going on? >> don't you think he really means zblit absolutely. that's why it is so fascinate. >> it would be so different if i thought he was playing that sympathy card for something. i feel that anxiety in his but, i just didn't know what to say about something so dishonest going on. you know, i really have been trying to figure out why newt gingrich is running for president. is he actually running for president? is he planning to be the nominee and potentially president of the united states? is he running to work out some sort of ego great aatification s
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p. running to write a book? >> initially i thought he was running to sell books. but increasingly he does seem like somebody that wakes up and sees himself in the mirror and kind of says i will show them all in the end they will all see. you know. he sees himself as this napoleon figure who, you know, went into exile but will return triumphant ly. >> interesting reporting yesterday about the las vegas billionaire, multibillionaire, shelton addison who we talked to quite a bit about on the program. i think he is also a as if mating figure. he had -- he and his wife -- newt gingrich's associated super pac $10 million. largely responsible $5 million he gave to the pac in the south carolina victory and interview with him about the back channel communication happening between the romney campaign being like dude, let's -- you know, maybe we should cut this off. when and if romney is a nominee, we will be there with a checkbook. >> that's right. in fact, newt gingrich was asked about that last night.
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there was romney with his supporters and there was gingrich with a reporters. interesting. >> did he think that maybe the supporters wouldn't be there, just had the news conference? i was wondering, you know, they put out information about the super pacs and who contributed to them. did we see president obama contributing to gingrich's super pac? that's the purpose. right now it is surfacing. >> i was thinking before that i zintd why sma-- it seems like that's something people support obama can do. >> i dash my big question is -- i think we are in a really interesting moment in politics in terms of the relationship. this is all -- this is all soil currently being plowed. we don't know what will grow up in the wake of it. my big question is just what level of cynicism and what level of big money will the american people tolerate? i'm totally honest. if it turns out someone writes
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$100 million check. there will be people that can write $100 million checks. will that precipitate a democratic backlash or just be the model for how we do this? >> i mean, let's -- what's so inning about newt gingrich is his attack on romney, you know, man up, say who is paying for this before we found out who was in the super pac. it was newt gingrich who was so closely applied with the actual group citizens united in massachusetts, actually he and his wife making films with them. this is the organization that ultimately went to the supreme court and has led to this flooding of money. not that there was than but it is on steroids. here was gingrich actually ultimately attacking that. saying romney, you should say who is putting up the money. this ultimately is -- could lead to its undoing. then, of course, the other candidates like rick perry calling romney a vulture capitalist. you have the republicans more than anyone else talking about the problems of money in the
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system. >> i mean, gingrich is look a -- pinball. right? he just goes from one end of the sxogs to t position to the other. he still can't believe he was on top in iowa and room any took him down. things were going according to plan. he had come back. he just can't handle that idea. this may prove why i'm a foreign policy analyst and not domestic policy analyst but i think his staying in the race is not necessarily good for the democrats. i think it portrays romney as a reasonable much more moderate centrist guy. >> grounded. that was your choice. who do you want to be the next president of the united states? >> when -- when mitt had his win in florida, i came home and -- friend of mine was at the house and said oh, romney just won florida. her response was "thank goodness." and that -- that very sense of relief, oh, thank goodness, looks like it is going to be rom
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my. dem. >> democrats should be willing it to be gingrich. >> that's romney's specialty. >> rocky anderson running for president. before heaves running for president, he was a friend of mitt romney. they cross-endorsed, republican, democrat. he talked about mitt romney as, you know, pro-choice. respecting roe vs. wade. i said when did this change? when he declared running for president. >> it is clear that he has done this pivot. it is now on to obama. everything about obama. he -- thinks he will be the nominee and is quoting a message i find really interesting which is basically i am the antidote to american decline. the rebirth in american exceptionalism and restore american greatness was a phrase they used in the tweet last night. here he is talking about saving the soul of america last night. >> our campaign is about more
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than just replacing the president, however. this is really a campaign about saving the soul of the america. president obama says he wants to fundamentally transform america. we want to restore to an american that founding principles that made this country great. >> usa! usa! >> our vision important the future could not be more different than his. >> i think this message is interesting for a variety of reasons. but what i like about it is it is explicitly reactionary. it is not code. it is explicitly reactionary. the other side wants change. we want restoration. >> this is one of the reasons why i kind of disagree with gingrich staying in the race being -- i think is bad for romney. because this message which is clearly directed to republican
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base, i don't think that the vast majority of americans, even those that might be skeptical about re-electing obama because they are unhappy with the economy, they i don't believe he is some kind of radical trying to radically -- transform america in some profound way to -- use a gingrich phrase. they just don't believe it. he has to keep making this pitch which is not a pitch to the broad electorate. a pitch to the republican base. he still -- >> that's the question. >> is that a useful pitch? i'm guest undecided on. what do you think? >> i think the pitch is argue bett better. >> jobs number. >> even if the job numbers improve they figured that out that they say they could have improved more had i been president. and the -- the idea they can't pivot important primary in general is just not sort of historically grounded. they pivot all the time and get into the general election. what -- i was falling out on the ground in 2008. just begging that hill hill would get out of the race and that this was weakening.
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senator obama moving into the presidential race. that was absolutely wrong. that long primary was one of the best things that could have happened to president obama. not so much making the argument being made but because it laid the groundwork. 50-state primary meant people got registered, democrats got registered in all 50 states and showed up but you can -- you can have that as a model or you can have kind of kennedy and carter as the model. you know. so -- part of it, too, was that the -- that primary didn't force either clinton or obama to shift radically to the left. they weren't kind of pandering and taking positions that weren't going to fly when they -- >> i want to -- i want to -- put up a sort of pin in this conversation which we will continue as we go ahead because there is just so much remarkable eye-opening news from outside of the united states. turn our attention to syrian government launches an assault on its own civilians using mortar and tags of at least 200 dead. eli lakes, senior national
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tell him the messenger sent you. unrest in arab world last year reached syria in march. sparking the first peaceful processed and armed resistance against president al assad. friday night the assad government attacked homes. that's cell phone footage. they attacked with tank shells and mortars, 217 people were killed. president obama issued the blistering statement condemning the attacks saying, quote, syrian regime's policy maintaining power by terrorizing its people only indicates its inhair ellen weak must and inevitable collapse. assad has no right to lead syria and lost all legitimacy with its
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people and intersmanational community. assad must halt this now. he must step aside to let a democratic transition to proceed immediately. voting hours after. asking for him to step aside in favor of an arab league peace plan which we will talk about in a second. i was blocked. got 13 votes but blocked by china and russia that have vetoes on the security council and posted as sovereignty. according to the u.n. more than 5400 people, mostly civilians, have been killed since the protests began 11 months ago. right now i would like to bring in eli lakes from "newsweek" and daily beast. thank you for joining us. can you talk about -- have you done reporting on this. what is the chinese/russian thinking here? is this a question of we have chechnya in our backyard and -- in -- in china, we have other -- we have tibet and other provinces we don't nosily want the u.n. sticking their nose
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into and so -- i. >> i think that they would say that they believe in sovereign equality patience and that this was effectively -- effective regime change resolution. i think it does pose a question which is support for the free syrian army, support for the legitimate aspiration of the syrian people. somehow less legitimate because the -- governments of china and russia vetoed this resolution. >> why do you say that? you are saying if you are liberal internationalist and you were someone that says that you would -- we immediate to run interventions and we need to round this sort of thing through the u.n. because the u.n. is the -- duly constituted body of governance, international law says you cannot have attacks in absence of the u.n. resolutions. you have these two cynical vetoes from china and russia pose as problem why? >> because the -- one of the main arguments against the iraq intervention was it was not -- it was not blessed by the in security council. so if the u.n. security council is the font of the legitimacy
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for u.s.er is convention, in these particular things, it means that from the 1990s and now syria in 2012 are ill legitimate -- >> that was not one -- that was hardly the main argument against iraq. >> let me -- we can relitigate iraq but i rather not right now. we can make a list of 100 pages of the arguments against iraq. >> i don't think that there is a big progressive argument in favor of supporting legitimacy of the assad government. i think that's a strong man. you know, this is a -- people want to see -- >> actually, i think -- i think there is a question about what you do in the face of the veto. for me. >> the question is what is the next move? >> kosovo was a move we went in and then went to the u.s. and u.n. afterwards. but -- that's a side show because isn't going to be about the united states or europe deciding on intervene. this is about the arab league and turkey deciding. so the real question -- we are not. the west is not going to do
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anything unless the arab league decides first. that was true in libya and that will be true here. the real question is whether turkey are saudi arabia, sawaree willing to see they want an all-out war or want to create baufer zone. if they do, and i think they are quite capable of deciding to do that without the u.n., then i think that nato would support them. but that's not the same as the u.s. going in and over a u.n. veto. >> the u.s. has had a very long complicated relationship with syria. i mean, i remember spending time with a canadian citizen who the u.s. rendered through extraordinary rendition. kidnapped at jfk airport and sent him to be tortured in syria. cia working together with syrian intelligence and held him for a year. ultimately released to canada and awarded $10 million there. outraged throughout canada and the united states. still on no-fly list here. it is interesting that the u.s.,
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though, outwardly extremely critical actually does have tie was syria that are very strong. especially around -- they know how terroristic they are because they use them for that. >> they are, i mean, iran backs syrian government. i'm not denying the case you talked about. but essentially we have been having -- this administration has had very bad relation was the syrian government. all of the way you a long. >> working with them at the same time. >> we are not working with them. >> debate over counterterrorism with syria. if i may, the neo-conservative side was against it and the bush administration is for it. and eventually that counterterrorism cooperation broke down precisely because when you work with a regime like syria you end up basically is porting, you know, indirect torture. >> can i ask you a question? you said before this pose as problem for progressives. what's the kind of conservative argument that there should be a unilateral -- it should be nato,
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hub the united states intervening on behalf of the free-syrian force? >> having read them -- i would say that what they say is they should be a coalition of the willing and support free syrian army and there should be countries that are, you know, the -- wouldn't necessarily be over and against and dependent of arab league. originally an enabler. >> let me say this. i want to establish the facts here. basically what's happened is there was an arab league mission sent to syria and at the time i think it was -- viewed as kind of an excuse making. it was way to do something without doing anything. arab league -- that was the critique of it. >> critique. >> i think that dash what was borne out in my -- again, i will not -- admit to know particular amazing expertise in syria, but -- channel click, but by the way, i think that the -- what happened is that that report
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was -- became basis for the debate yesterday. the arab league is basically laid out some kind of framework to move from state of what is looking like civil war to some sort of negotiated settlement and path towards elections and transition to the end of the regime. that's what's on the table. >> that's historic because a year ago if you had said that the arab league is going to call for a fellow arab ruler to step down, people would have said you are had a loot naturing. they started condemning and condemning more strongly than we thought they would. then they sent in monitors and pulled out the monitors and i agree that the head was not so great but there were others on the team who said that this is a fiction we are not going to participate. then the arab league put forward a plan that calls for assad to step down and hand over to vice president, create national unity government and hold elections. and morocco introduced that in the security council. >> the reason i think that this is so important we sit here as american citizens we watched footage like that. there -- what ends up happening is the -- is a debate that gets
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very quickly polarized between should we send in the troops and intervene? should we shrug our holders and say that sucks to get shot down in the street by the government. will are things in between that. we have seen promising progress, i think in certain ways along a -- a way of path forward is not necessarily right now in this moment bearing fruit but might in the future. turning our attention from syria to -- a country right next door, mysterious assassinations and bombings in iran. raising tensions in israel and the u.s. we are the house when it comes to the big game. yeah. it's his thing. i don't even participate. boom! here it comes! bring it back! bring it home! [ male announcer ] when you combine creamy velveeta with zesty rotel tomatoes and green chilies, you get a bowl of queso that makes even this get-together better. [ british accent ] i host a book club. so sexy... vaga had no tolerance for such dastardly deeds. finally... [ male announcer ] when you combine creamy velveeta with zesty rotel tomatoes and green chilies, you get a bowl of queso
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at aarp.org/jointoday. thursday israeli leaders made their strongest hint yet of possible strikes against iran to prevent what they claim is iran's ability in the near future to develop a nuclear weapon. same day "the washington post" -- wrote the defense secretary panetta said he believed will was a strong likelihood israel will strike iran and sometime in the spring. and friday, some israeli
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officials like the former head cautioned against a knee-jerk reaction saying israel is not doing all that badly and pressuring and containing iran lewin creased national sanctions. all this talk put our relationship with israel immediately in spotlight in election year no less. and i wanted to talk about what dynamics here are because they seem tremendously complex and then there's -- the first order of question what the dynamics that are happening here because it does seem to me like there is a -- there's genuine distance between the positions on this and iranian position and israelis are trying, i think, in -- essentially using the press. we have a graphic of just some of the will israel attack iran stories appear every week all over -- in every publication you keep reading the same story. story is driven israeli sources. usually israeli intelligence, israeli government going to a reporter saying we are really getting ready here, folks. we are about to pull the trigger.
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what is the play there? is that to try to prepare the groundwork and the -- among american public opinion? is that trying to persuade american opinion leaders? i'm just confused why are we -- why is this constantly happening over the articles sourced to essentially israeli leaders and anonymo anonymously? basically beating the drum fors ani israeli attack on iran. what's the play? >> the there are at least would plays going on and there may abthird. one of the plays is that this is part of our strategy vis-a-vis iran. we are -- iran has -- >> u.s. >> u.s. and israel. the -- iran has now said that it wants to come back to the table. it is now -- we just had -- nuclear inspections. those are going to con. we are telling iran hey, there is a choice here. you can come back to the table and negotiate a real deal. you will not be attacked. the -- it is not -- it has not been decided you will be attacked. there is a choice. part of it is actually communicating to iran. the second thing -- >> readers of the "new york times" magazine are essentially
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proxies for the -- >> more or less. but the second thing is that -- this is israel is making clear to not only the united states but i think equally europe hey, if you aren't serious about these sanctions, we are going to do this and you do not want us to do this and so that's -- that's a big push for the diplomatic -- >> your reaction to watching this play out? >> i mean, i'm thinking about the outgoing chief a year ago. on his last day in office, as he was going out, he was saying don't do this. he was saying -- from the best intelligence iran wasn't developing a nuclear bomb until, say, 2015. one of the senior editors, major israeli newspapers, said this is the most important, historical statement in ten years. why aren't we hearing this? i know you don't want to talk about iraq but all i can think about here is wmd, weapons of mass destruction. they have them, they have them. everyone presents the evidence. then, of course -- >> i -- it is not that i don't want to talk about iran.
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i don't want to relitigate it. i think -- it is impossible -- i completely agreen. it is impossible and this isn't just a basic question as a citizen. right? how -- after iraq, how do you read anything about any of this? have any sense that you are not just in a hall of mirrors? i just have no -- >> i can answer that. >> well -- how? >> well, president obama in 2009 disclosed another secret in rich monchd facility hidden from the iaea. that intelligence was correct. now there are inspectors there and we have ample evidence in their latest report that says the research they are doing appears to be for a weapons program. that's not the u.s. intelligence. that's people with inspectors on the ground that are trying to make these sort of judgments and so forth. and the iranians have been given ample opportunity after opportunity after p opportunity to have the western richu uranim and rejected during sanctions in the process so people are clear
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on the process that happens here, uranium, enriched uranium, next step, and then you have to weaponize the enriched uranium. 15% weaponized, 95%. so there is quite a long road. >> i would say that -- >> to get from having uranium to enriched uranium to all the way to weaponizing it. >> very different argument. i mean, very different argument than waits about iraq. do they have wwmds. i don't think anybody there is anyone that doubts that -- has a nuclear program and wants to develop nuclear weapons. the only debate is about when it is able to achieve that. >> i would say -- >> how do you push them further and further to sna antagonize them further and further and so they feel they can. >> the other thing is -- not to -- it seems to me one of the consequences of libya was, you know, give up your nuclear weapons program and then wait ruined a few years for the american bombs to come in and put you on your butt. let's remember, the big success
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story was gadhafi gave up his weapons. does anyone think if he managed to become a nuclear power the u.s. would have intervened in libya. i think the answer is clearly o no. >> it is delightful you bring up the mayor. he is a likely suspect behind the assassination of five iranian scientists since 2007. a campaign of sabotage cyber attack. very much intelligence for shadow work that already exists between iran and the west. >> which makes it particular lynn interesting he's saying that. >> i guess -- my question to you is are -- is -- is dem ongsy in favor of such u.s. sabotage campaigns and overseas assassinations of the sort, as a delaying tactic for inevitable iranian weapons. >> that's a very inning question i want to -- you to answer.
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listerine... power to your mouth. national security reporter for "newsweek" daily beast, exceptional reporter. >> thank you. >> if you don't mind my saying. amy goodman from democracy now. a question was posed about the campaign appears israel denies officially that they are behind the succession of murders, i will use the word, of nuclear scientists in iran. car bombs attached to their vehicles blowing them up. there has been, i think, five or six that have been killed. >> the same kind of bomb used called olympic magnetic bomb. >> motorcycle rides up, six interest under the car and drives away, bomb blows up. the u.s. denied very strongly any involvement. we have hill hill,ary clinton ga statement after the most recent
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of these murders. >> i want to categorically deny any united states involvement in any kind of act of violence inside iran. we believe that there has to be an understanding between iran, its neighbors and international community that finds a way forward for it to end its provocative behavior and end its search for nuclear weapons and rejoin the international community and be a productive member of it. >> meanwhile the "new york times," the day after this attack in which hillary clinton issued that statement, israel illofficials were saying i will sleep better tonight, it was a denial, denial, denial. eli asked you, amy, what do you think of this, particularly inciting the former head of assad as authority of -- intelligence behind the iranian nuclear program who also probably was a person overseeing these kind of things. >> i was pointing out, of course, that guy is in the know
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and as for democracy now endorsed series of assassination, democracy hour is a news hour. people should check it out. democracynow.org. of course not. this whole line of assassination that has been going on, unfortunately the u.s. is involved in the target of assassinations as well, is -- murderous, as you said. when it comes to the iranian scientists, maybe one of these nuclear scientists would become a nuclear whistleblower, maybe like one that worked in ani israeli nuclear power plant and blew the whistle. no. this assassination policy does not -- it does not represent democracies. it violates everything. and it means that the u.s., that israel cannot stand as any kind of example in the world. israel should be harshly
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condemned for this. it is not enough to say we don't endorse this. and it is -- the u.s. has to stop doing it as well. the u.s. has to stop doing tonight ye -- it. it has to end. >> so people are clear. he was killed by a predator drone and targeted assassinations happening in yemen are done by drones, not necessarily the implementation is different. so folks are clear there are not car bombs. >> putting a little bomb in the bottom of this nuclear scientist's car and the u.s. does it by -- >> i want to stress israel -- it is not -- we all believe that israel -- i think -- the evidence points toys real being behind this. they do -- government officially does not, you know, claim credit for it. just so that's clear. >> it is important to differentiate between a drone attack on alahi, ai think -- civilian nuclear scientists.
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you don't think that's such a thing? >> whether these nuclear scientists are -- necessarily military. i mean -- >> late rest was that -- exploded by olympic bomb. is the head of procurement for the facility. this facility is one of the facilities that is making the slow and enriched uranium. if you look at the. of evidence, this is not for medical tips or nuclear reactors, this is ultimately -- >> you think -- >> i agree. i don't think that's the point. i don't think that -- i don't think is arguing. >> i will tell you this. israeli's feel nuclear bomb threat to their country. during the -- during world war would, efforts to kill nazi scientists to kim them who were working on a bomb. i would imagine that the israelis view this as, you know, terrible choice in some ways but one they need to do in order to delay something or stop something that they believe is
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because zero is worth everything. the zero gas, 100% electric nissan leaf. innovation for the planet. innovation for all. at the end of the day, no israeli prime minister will let iran become a nuclear power. >> 230r78er u.n. ambassador dan gill ehrmann making an argument that's the core of the argument. eli you gave a version of it. the acquisition of a nuclear bomb for iran by israel, the world holocaust is routine lynn volked the reporting of this when you talk about the sources of the israeli side. what seems difficult about this is that if those are -- if those are the terms there is month
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real argument. the f the argument you are putting forth is you must do this or there will be a holocaust, right? that does not allow a lot of room for debate. it is not -- not a real -- >> there is a lot of debate in israel. the u.s. media should reflect that cross section of debate in israel. in a way that did it us than. more debate in israel than there is here. also, when it comes to the issue, i mean, i think it is -- absolutely critical to understand the u.s. relationship with israel. the u.s. has great power, whether they knew about the last assassination attempt, you know, the largest recipient today in the world from the united states. and so the u.s. wields great power when it doesn't -- when it wants israel not to do something, it can get them not to do something. >> having worked at the state -- >> if that were true israel would not be expanding settlements. the united states -- when it comes to cutting off aid that's why the u.s. would continue. >> i don't think that's true. but -- the u.s. -- >> u.n. security council.
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that's what the real leverage is. >> there is a -- different issue here. yes, you -- i think that israel sees the possession of the nuclear weapon as a threat. but -- no one thinks that iran has a weapon now. leon panetta said they are still debating whether to go right up to the point where they could develop a nuclear weapon or actually develop one. the united states still thinks that a dip low in theic solution is possible. you can do a deal that would be verifiable and would assure us that iran doesn't have a nuclear weapons. israel seems to think that there -- they are bound and determined to get them. we have to assassinate scientists and we have to ultimately attack the facilities. the more that israel does that, the more they drive iran towards hurrying its process and that could narrow the window. >> if i could add one morrellment. last year, the fbi and nato declared cyber attacks.
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we do know that the united states participated with israel on the centrifuge logic boards. so in that case, i think that the united states is also up to a point endorsing delaying actions as they are known in the intelligence world. and -- i think that they don't do these assassinations. but even though obama supports diplomatic -- he supports doing these. >> i wouldn't deny that. there's delay but a big difference between a computer. >> as a final note here, i think that one of the things that happens is that -- the threat of nuclear iran gets more coverage, i think, in this -- in the way the debate is shaped and than what would the day after israeli strike by nuclear facility look like. i think no one should think about this issue without imagining that there isn't going to be awful consequences for that. even if for those who endorse it and think the cost -- benefits outweigh the costs, the costs will be very high. i think we should all keep that
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tuesday the associated press reported the susan g. komen foundation for the cure was going to break off its partnership with planned parenthood. perhaps you heard about this. komen foundation grants to planned parenthood funded nearly 170,000 breast exams for low-income women and women without health insurance. thursday komen's ceo appeared with my colleague andrea mitchell on msnbc and tried to claim the decision was made because planned parent hood was under investigation in congress. >> planned parenthood is the only group that comes under the new policy which is not to fund any organization that's under investigation. under investigation from congressman sterns, many believe
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is trumped up. >> well, the -- but there are other investigations in states, number one. two -- >> they are -- >> the investigation is not the only investigation. we set about creating excellence in our grants not just in our community grants but in our science grants putting metrics, outcomes, and measures to them so we can translate all of the science we funded over 30 years. >> huge backlash against a decision raised $3 million from planned parenthood including $250,000 grant from new york city mayor bloomberg. on friday, komen foundation issued this statement. we want to apologize to the american public for a recent decision that cast doubt upon our commitment to our mission saving women's lives. komen said planned parent hood would be eligible for further grants in the future. they did not confirm whether the partnership will continue. this was just -- remarkable story to watch unfold in real-time. i want to say i thought my colleague did an exceptional job in that interview with nancy
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brinker. what i thought was so interesting was that it -- it was clear, i thought, in that interview that the policy had been reverse engineered to produce the outcome of getting rid of the connection of planned parenthood. there is a lot of evidence to support that. what's particularly interesting is that you have this sort of back channel trap that was sprung in which pro-life groups started published a report calling for an investigation of planned parent hood. cliff strns, congressman, runs a committee, then used that report to launch an investigation of planned parent hood. and then the komen foundation says we have a new policy. that if you are under investigation, you can -- it is a perfect circle and reminded me that of when -- dick cheney would leak intelligence to judith miller. she would write a piece in "new york times" and dick cheney would be on the "meet the press" and said there is an article in
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"the new york times." very troubling about what -- the intelligence is. it is all the same people. >> that's what the outrage was about. part of the outrage was that komen foundation seemed to be kind of sanctioning and justifying what is clearly a perennial partisan witch-hunt against planned parenthood. >> and i also think the other part of it was that they -- what's interesting to me is i think they thought they could have it both ways. what was inning to me is this is the culture war. can you not mess around in the middle of the culture war. you have to choose which side and cannot decide you are going to join up on that part of the culture war and then -- preep tend you are not. everyone understands. >> it is a says a lot about the washington bubble or i guess they are not in washington. they are in dallas. about this establishment bubble when it comes to planned parenthood that they really by all reports didn't think this was going to be that controversial and thought they were going to be able do this. and everybody would sort of sit back and i think it is because people convinced themselves because congress is always after planned parent hood and planned parent hood is some sort of
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seedy, disreputable institution. planned parenthood is -- the number of american women who go to planned parenthood at some point in their life is massive. one in five or something. >> maybe one in three. >> i think what accounted in some ways important the quick walk back 'twas yaz roots reaction. not just plan parenthood. this was an image that was on my face that -- being shared on facebook i thought was so -- on the -- on the money on this point. it was getting -- it is -- things that cannot scream for breast cancer. pink plastic cases, pink water bottles, pink spatulas, things that can. doctors at planned parenthood. that was just a grassroots thing that started getting around. >> many of us had an anxiety for pink washing of the breast cancer movement in general. but have been largely silent about it because of the sense in how komen and other foundations might be secretly subversive in a way felt good to us. okay. yes. all of the posters are of middle
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class, white women. and yes, you know, support breast cancer by having your entire october on turned into pink consumption month. even the nfl wearing pink, pink, pink. everything is pink. we thought okay, if this is the kind of respectability narrative that is necessary, important to them, that's right, to get those dollars so you spend all of this money but those dollars and go into local communities and helping for breast cancer screenings for the women who don't have access to private physicians and i will play along with this game. as soon as that came down, it was no longer subversive, oh they really meant it. like they men just for these people and like really only these that could unleash that anger. >> unleashed people going to wikipedia and google saying nancy brinker was an ambassador in the bush administration and vice president of policy, woman in -- last name by handle, karen handle, who was -- ran for governor on a -- stridently pro-life platform in -- georgia.
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marie slaughter, principle ton university professor and formering director of policy planning for the united states state department. and amy goodman, host of the legendary dale yind show "democracy now." great to have you all here. we are talking about the remarkable story of komen and planned parent hood, susan g. komen foundation and that played out, you said during the break about the way in which social media was able to channel this grassroots frustration of the decision. >> yeah. i think you want to see this in context with the -- grassroots against did online piracy act. would weeks ago once again, you are seeing a very, very fast mobilization of a large number of people that changes policy. in this case, that was public. this is private. >> you know, we were just talking foreign policy. you look at what happened with the egyptian revolution. on the one hand it is social media circling as a tool. but it ignites, allows a kind of
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groundswell to express itself even further. here in this country, i think what's so important is we saw a kind of occupy movement within a period of hours take place. i mean, in and what it shows is that i really think it is about the silenced minority. the silenced majority. silence so often by the media. not the silent majority. but the silenced -- silenced majority. these are people all over this country, democrat are, republican, green, independent, who are deeply concerned about women's rights. i'm talking about the majority of catholics in this country. and when they saw this $2 billion organization, komen for the cure, which is very important, taking on an organization that is beleaguered, being bullied, they said no. and the response that we have seen, it is like occupy in the united states. it shows, i think, in this election year, it is also a
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message to those in the white house. i mean, if -- for president obama. streets s that -- if he stands up and actually lives up to some of the promises he made before he ran for office and instead of running away from those promises one by one, there is a population in this country that's not just democrat, it is deeply concerned about -- >> he's not running away from his promises particularly on this issue. right? one of the things that we are probably going to talk about is the fact that he's under tremendous fire right now for the birth control mandate. so part of the reason that this was so important, i think, is that it showed that there is a perception -- conventional wisdom out there that he's hurt himself. you know, he's really kind of -- you know, that he is going to see major defections among the catholic vote. i think what this shows is there is a huge passionate constituency for family planning women's health. >> i want to be careful because i think we had some of the same jubilation around defeat of the personhood amendment in mississippi.
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and said look, there is actually a much broader reproduction rights coalition than we imagined. i think we need to be a little bit careful because to say that people are against breast cancer and that there is a broad coalition of people willing to get onboard to make sure that breast cancer screenings are available is not the same thing. and as what happens when we start talking about pregnancy termination and reproductive rights and -- this is -- i mean, don't think president obama runs in all the promises. think think there are real challenges what's going on with women 'health. >> part of what -- part of what happened is that the debate in this country moved away from being about abortion and birth control has been politicized. >> too far. >> mitt romney is running on eliminating title x. >> explain that. >> title x the only federal family program funded under nixon support mike pence, a pro-life leader, constantly going afr planned parenthood, has said but of course i don't want to touch title x.
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it helps women in areas. title x has be. >> unless the polls switch and he sees -- >> exactly. melissa, i think that point is -- important. the victorious battles have been waged not in the trenches of the right to have an abortion and terminate pregnancy. they have been waged in the trenches of ancillary issues around women's health. mississippi an effective argument was a -- would make ibf therapy and treatment possibly illegal. now that -- it is one thing to say well, i'm not into abortion, it is another to say to women across the state if you want to get further can't have a baby. we are talking about cancer screening, breast cancer screenings. so it is -- i think the victories being won, it is a really good point, are the flag has been stuck in the hill defending parts of women's health that are not in some way
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it is most controversial and contested. >> and they are the classed based parts of it. difference between ivf and planned parenthood has to do with the kinds of women that can afford it. what has gone on with komen and other breast cancer movements has been to make breast cancer not shameful. there was a time not very long ago in this country where you -- we would not have said breasts repeatedly on the air, you know, on a sunday morning. that just didn't happen. women were dying precisely because prayer was shaleful, folks were not talking about. what komen and others did was to pink wash ask provide a respectability cover around it. ivf is respectable and breast cancer is respectable. abortion is not. >> chad ochocinco, not talking about the super bowl, we often talk about eye rarn-- we opted eye aren't, israel. this is ochocinco explaining the
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breast cancer solidarity fashion he would be donning playing for the bengals. >> nfl and reebok are teaming up to bring attention to breast cancer awareness month. some players will sport black shoes and gloves like always, only with pink accents but as for chad -- >> my entire shoe will be pink and then i will have a little logo in black. >> while he is still waiting for his delivery of pink apparel he plans to wear a pink mouthpiece and chin strap which he expecteds to be fined for. >> donate it to breast cancer charity for my choice, probably local. >> perfectly identify it is fact that -- pinkness and -- has become this sort of -- some ways used -- we saw in the nfl that in the wake of ben roethlisberger, one of their star quarterbacks, super bowl winner, being accused multiple times of sexual assault, all of a sudden there was a -- whole lot of nfl players talking about
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breast cancer and wearing pink gloves and pink shoes as if one could kind of mitigate the other. did you not see the nfl, i will note, did you not see the nfl come out and say we are going to do a lot of you a awareness around sexual violence. we are going to do a lot of awareness around domestic violence and we are going to give money to rape survivors, right? the kind of safe way to deal with women's health and to embrace a feminist -- sort of pseudo feminist, i will say -- pink feminist. it is. it is. i mean -- look, women's health. everyone i think has been touched by breast cancer. i lost my awn to breast cancer. and it is -- devastating and omnipresent in people's lives. it has become this way of noncontroversy wral and i think that part of the backlash had to do with them entering into this controversial terrain after people had been acclimated to the idea that you are operating in this. >> i think it is going to be a message to congress right now and to -- people like florida congress member. what kind of support do they have? you are seeing this legislation,
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attacked planned parent hood in dozens of states and in all different ways, resolutions and state legislatures, et cetera. and this is a real message to them. people like senator kyle of arizona who goes to the practice and says 97% planned parent hoods services are abortion, right? >> then says -- when called -- that was than -- >> what it is -- >> not intended as a factual stateme statement. you go to the well and don't state the facts. >> i think we should all remember this. one of our -- staff members reminding us yesterday, the first thing republicanwhen they took over congress was threaten to shut down government over defunding planned parenthood. that was the first battle they picked and lost that battle. they lost a success of these. it is an interesting message. john boehner accused the obama administration of violating the constitution with a new rule about health insurance and contracepti contraception. ♪
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. politics editor for business insider. formerly american conservative. i'm not saying that because it has conservative. i'm just throwing it out there. michael walked up and said -- introduced himself as being the token. michael, i would like to you weigh in on a store xwriked up a lot of attention the past couple of weeks. i think in some ways as michelle said before provided some contact for the komen planned parent hood which was under president obama's affordable care act. most health insurance plans will be required to cover the costs of women's preventative services, statutory language. and it will include contraception. january 20, the administration announced the mandate to include contraception in the health insurance provided will apply to
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religious organizations like hospitals and service agencies that employ people with different paths and not primarily dedicated to -- a particular religion. you know, st. patrick's parish down the block, its employees will not have to have a health insurance package that covers contraception. st. patrick hospital, that has doctors and nurses and orderlies, will have to. catholic church and others who oppose contraception were outraged. bishops circulating letters and parishes across the country, priest read a letter calling the rule a severe assault on the luberty, republican politicians were quick to pile on. >> the obama administration is engaged in a war against religion. >> i think this mandate violates our constitution. i think it violates it is rights of these religious organizations and i would hope that the
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administration would back up and talk another look at this. >> president obama orders religious organizations to violate their conscience. i will defend religious liberty and overturn regulations that trample on our first freedom. >> you wrote that asking catholic-run organizations to provide coverage for contraception and plan dating kosher delis carry pork. >> it is taking it from the conscience angle which is that you -- if you mandated kosher delis to carry pork, you are not technically banning kosher delis. but you are banning the kosher part. so -- you are not banning catholic hospitals. you are banning them from conducting our fares according to their faith. >> they are getting pork, the catholics. >> the rule does not apply just to organizations that get government funds. >> there isn't a hospital in the whole country that does not -- >> i think that the important -- i have seen that analogy before.
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the important difference is that there are -- there is no rights. you are not talking about competing rights when you are talking about the -- delis carrying kosher pork. when you are saying that you are going to exempt, you know, hundreds of thousands of employees of these institutions from the mandate that this their prefer entive services cover, you are talking about balancing the rights of many, many american women of all faiths against the right of these institutions to propulgate. that's very different than saying we are not going to let you keep kosher. >> no. i mean, there is a difference. i'm not trying to say that there isn't a gigantic conflict of values here. i mean, on the one hand, many people, i think, at this table would say this is a common sense regulation and this is -- you know, no big deal. 95% of catholic women use contraception. meanwhile on the other side have you the catholic church saying this is a sin and you cannot force us to do this.
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we will not -- you know, resort to civil disobedience if we have to. >> you are a catholic. >> yes. >> very faithful one. i'm lapsed. i don't know how faithful you are. i guess. and -- and -- tell me what -- what you think the reaction of the church is going to be -- i mean, it seems like they are -- arming themselves for genuine confrontation in a way i have not seen in a long time. >> yeah. this was tote lynn precedented. i was -- actually shocked last sunday when the letter was read out from parish i was going to. norwalk, connecticut. just don't see -- i mean, catholic church, as much as people say it is on one side of the political spectrum or another, usually trace to play friendly with everyone. archbishop dolan went to obama to try the talk about this. year and a half ago, he thought he got a resolution that would satisfy him in the church -- and the church. it didn't happen. on a dime they have come around and said we are not going to agree with this. and -- i mean, it is a line in
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the sand. we -- cannot and will not obey this unjust law. >> that's what the letter said which i -- i thought was uncharacteristically strong language. it seems like they are saying we will engage in civil disobedience, i guess, shut down our agencies and hospitals. neither of which seems particularly likely to me. >> right. i mean, you see, there are some states like new york actually requires this kind of coverage and places like fordham university technically provide it. they act in a way the spirit of the law will not prescribe these things. so i mean, already on the state level there are some conflicts i have already come up. >> what do you mean they won't prescribe them? >> you can't go -- you can go to a dock that works for fordham university and get -- if you are a grad be student you can't get a prescription for birth control pills. they will generally suggest that you go to another dock or something like that. >> even though your insurance covers it.
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>> it is just -- not matter that they are going to break on. >> perhaps -- perhaps what this reveals to us -- in very stark terms, is dash in order to accommodate the very real concerns we have as americans with the ability of faith communities to practice their own faiths, health care should not be provided and health insurance should not be provided to employers. it ought to be a right of citizens. not a right of workers. because i think the -- that this is not -- you know, obviously i'm a reproductive rights advocate. i'm a big fan of birth control as the mother of a 10-year-old who will some day be a 15-year-old 20-year-old. right? that said, i take very seriously the idea that the catholic church and teachings have a -- long and very clear position on this. which is why one's health care, one's prescriptive needs, one's
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medical care, should not be at the behest of one's employer. >> broader issue there which is that -- i mean, i actually agree with you that there is a serious first amendment issue in conflict with the kind of serious rights of women to access health care services. this is a broader problem with the role of religious institutions in providing health care. you know, there's all kinds of ways in which the catholic church's mission as -- catholic hospital's mission, catholic institutions, conflicts with the right of people on to access -- access health care. you see that all the time when women are rushed to a catholic hospital because it is the only hospital in the municipality with, say, miscarriage in progress. being treated according to catholic dictates instead of the best medical dictates. >> i mean, that's also a function of -- that -- lot of times the -- only hospitals are a catholic hospital because the catholic church is able to marshal moral and financial resources that would not be able to be marshalled through the process already. >> what -- what if -- the
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religious viewpoint was that blacks and whites should not intermingle. but what if it were? and i only point that out not to say that the catholic church now stands there but it is to say if one -- the catholic church is not the only religious institution that is allowed religious people and so if the religious position is that blacks and whites should not intermingle should the -- should a -- a segregation hospital be able to turn away black patient. >> i want to get your response to that right after we take this break. today is gonna be an important day for us. you ready? we wanna be our brother's keeper. what's number two we wanna do? bring it up to 90 decatherms. how bout ya, joe? let's go ahead and bring it online. attention on site, attention on site. now starting unit nine. some of the world's cleanest gas turbines are now powering some of america's biggest cities. siemens. answers.
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i mean -- i have -- couple of objections to that in the sense, one, that isn't actually the case. that's happening. doesn't seem likely to be innocent. we can come up with other hypotheticals on the other side what if -- you know, we go back into population, worries, and say kads lick hospitals should be required to sterilize all men after their first pregnancy. >> that's -- right. you know, maybe a better hypothetical what if we had a jane hospital. would a jane hospital be able to refuse medicine that has been test order animals? be allowed to refuse, you know, employees to have insurance that covers medicine test order animals. >> right. i don't -- i don't have an answer for every specific religious view point. the fact is that -- we are in a country where 22% of the people are catholics and catholics have been running hospitals -- >> 97% of them are using birth control. >> i think the number is higher. 98% of sexually aeks peernsed catholic women will have used birth control at some point in their lives.
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this is an economic issue as well because you are talking about millions of workers and their families losing benefits, one hospital estimated 1 million workers and their families and -- catholic affiliated universities, talking 2 million people who would lose benefits. >> so let's say okay, that hypothetical -- so let's get back to the actual issue at hand. why was this the wrong decision? right. why did the balance come out in the wrong way here? >> well, it is -- from the catholic church's perspective it is simple. we are not allowed to cooperate in -- the committing of a sin like counsel -- by counsel, approval, or by paying for it. literally subsidizing it. it literally diverts it to paying for these things at the catholic church consideration sinful. catholic church does not say that well, if you receive a salary you can't take part of your paycheck and go find a way to pay for contraception out of pocket. these catholic hospitals aren't like following them at home to
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do something, you know, check in on them. >> clearly not because 98% are using birth control. >> right. but -- i mean i spoke suppose part of that point is that then -- therefore the catholic church is much paying for things the catholic church understands to be sin all the time. >> the catholic chush much's position is those are your just wages you earned. you have been given them. now it is up to you to -- >> what about the proportion of wages. >> look the fact is that the control -- control of women's -- fertility is always about economics and about power. and i mean, we can -- we can pretend it is a question of moral and ethical concerns. but the fact is that the -- issue is that men pass their names and wealth and their property to their sons and daughters born of women. the only way they can be certain those children to whom they are passing names names, wealth and stuff are their children is the extent to which women are controlled. and in terms of their fertility. extent to which women's capacity to reproduce sexually can be
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clearly associated only with the partner who is going to pass the name and stuff. that's sort of the whole deal of why women's sexuality, reproductive rights, have to be compared. >> i actually think that's a -- compelling analysis. in the context of talking about this conscience issue it seems like it is unfair to say that look, my radical critique of the actual version of your -- your -- no. i mean, the point is you can say, well, actually all the christianity is about dominion and hierarchy. that's what it is about. once you are inside the bubble of conscience, you know, the -- it is hard. from what perspective publicly can we offer that as a policy rationale for the decision we make in civil society? >> because from my perspective citizenship should be about flattening that. if we have these realities that are both -- and by the way, controls are religious and have been state based. if we are moving towards perfecting a union that's men to be about moving towards a more equal basis of citizenship, the
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only way that that happens for women is when women control fertility. that's it. like that's kind of -- the whole story of how women end up with educational opportunities and economic power and -- >> the other thing that happened this week in this -- in this sort of story aside from the komen planned parent hood, in front of you, the president went to the national prayer breakfast. that was the interesting backdrop for him to go to the prayer breck past and give a speech and spoke at it before. and he -- it was -- a very combative is the wrong word to use to describe the speech in the actual pair fwraf. he was -- he was quite forceful. that's a good adjective. here he is small section using biblical scripture, christian doctrine, to sort of justify some of the policies. here he is. >> john tells us if anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of
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god be in him? dear children, let us not love with words or tongue. but with actions and truth. >> michael, i'm curious what your reaction was to the president's speech president got a lot of negative reaction from the republicans, not surprisingly. >> it was interesting in that -- you know, it is in the way our society is, a democratic president, liberal president can speak extremely explicitly about tying his policy goals to religious impulses or associating with them in a way that's even more explicit than a republican president can get away with. you might seeing? like that from a congressman. but george bush never even, you know, tried to aroifrd speaking like that and saying jesus said to lower taxes. >> i also thought it was very interesting that president obama spoke at this prayer breakfast right as the controversy with romney flared saying i don't care about poor people and there he is, you know -- good saying
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the biblical injunction of poor people, orrin hatch reacted -- there was a real -- i thought it was an interesting taste of their own medicine moment because i think people on the -- on the right freaked out like how could you say that you have biblical injunctions to follow your policies, offensive perception. here is orrin hatch reacting to it. >> the president's comments this morning share more with political strategy than they do in the religious beliefs of most americans. someone needs to remind the president there was only one person who walked on water. and he did not occupy the oval office. >> i thought that clip would get more play. that's a pretty intense thing to say, saying the -- basically saying that the president thinks he's jesus christ. orrin hatch said on the floor of the united states senate. michelle, someone that i think would call a pretty avowed secularist, do you find the -- those kinds of speeches the president occasionally gives in which he does marshal religious rationale policies as
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problematic? >> not really. i think there is a long history of using kind of biblical references, tradition, abraham lincoln to me what is problematic is when people marshal religious sectarian references to kind of take away the rights of other groups, to basically say that because, you know, my christian doctrine tells me this about reproductive rights, for example, that means that your respect lar rights in this area are superseded. i mean, i guess that they could make a similar argument by saying well, he is taking away our right and proposes to take away our rights to our property. i actually think it is different to say well, here are the moral values that i derive from my religious tradition and kind of say -- can i call people to live up to them? >> i have a question. do you -- is there an catholic church movement? do you see it growing? do you see the church? when you are talking about 98%
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of catholic women using birth control, where is the ripple? >> that's interesting is -- there are a few groups, catholics for free choice, other groups -- >> call to action. >> call to action. these are pretty small groups that good media attention. what i found was the opposite happened. even though 95% catholics used contraception, 90% believe it is individual conscience, you saw positive sean michael winters that went to the map for obama, members of my family who often question that teaching on contraception and all of whom immediately slipped against obama. and i think there is a misconception the catholic church is just a set of beliefs people subscribe to and you can just drive a wedge into that. when actually the thing functions also like a family and just because you don't agree with what urncles is at thanksgiving dinner does not mean you are going to sit there quietly while someone starts pushing him around. >> that's why we have separation of church ask and state. >> in the case of political reality i think this is an
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interesting point. i found it interesting to see the catholic backlash against the decision because it calls up these kind of -- it is -- tribal is the wrong word. impulses on -- kinship, authority trust and kinship of who, you know, who are -- who do i trust, whose side am i on and people get their back on them? >> but the part of what i find interest sing these scripture it is president in this case was quoting were -- have been for a long time part of the kind of social justice narratives of precisely this same group. the prayer breakfast is not mostly american catholic audience to whom he is speaking. but this -- this -- term -- these terms, this language of -- social justice of caring for the poor, this has been part of what kept white ethnic cats licks in the democratic party for so long. and continues to be part of what the latino catholics in the party now. and so -- it is surprising there is a backlash against one but not the approach towards the other. >> right. i want you to talk about the
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the kind of thing occupy it is news -- news cycle for a eke and then goes away? do you think this has actual genuine political ramification. >> i don't know if it is going to -- news cycle because i don't think a lot of news people and journalists notice or care. i mean, when you have thousands of parishes read thing letter, almost no one files a report on interest sunday. one of the few ones because i happened to see it. when the komen foundation made a december biggest an amount of money, it was yeeverywhere on every station. i mean -- so this is something the catholics are hearing about in the pews and directly from their priests which is like we said, something they are not used to hearing. and there is a personal element, i think, inform a lot of the clergy because there were a lot of bishops that defended obama speaking at notre dame university and controversial with catholic, timothy dolan thought he got a good resolution and told the bishops he got a resolution and felt he got
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sandbagged. i think that there's an element like we tried to work with you and you said all these good things about working with people of faith. and including them in your grand coalition. now look what you did to us. you know, but there is going to be -- catholic church has been traditionally pretty reticent about directly throwing in with one party or another. >> i think that's not true. the catholic church -- i mean, part of the broader context here is obama has shifted from and going to be bipartisan and i'm going to try to have this grand coalition, you know, if i just give enough eventually these people are going to meet me halfway or a third of the way. realizing that that's not the case and let's pivot back towards doing something for your allies. so -- to say that they have been receipt sent that's not true. they have been -- i mean, they have been attacking him every step of the way. >> supported the health care. >> he gave in to them on plan b, you know, on -- make thing unprecedented ruling to overrule the fda's recommendation. and yet, they still -- they --
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you are right. they supported him on health care but they have been consistent attacks, consistent misinformation to say that health care reform covers abortion which is just -- does not. >> not just about giving something back to your supporters. this is for women. it is not just democrat yuck women and not just presidential support this is a policy that's good for a -- i don't know. about half of american citizens. >> well, but -- talk about the subtext of the support for the affordable care act. one of the key -- i mean, one of the things that was so painstaking and some ways remarkably deftly done in the passage of the affordable care act, contentious and all sorts of reasons. but this sort of painstaking assembly of all these different stake holders to get them from everyone from the health insurance insurers and catholic hospitals, the president made two phone calls to -- when he -- about to announce this decision from hhs. who are they to? >> almost to -- archbishop
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dolan. sister -- kathleen. >> she was -- head of the catholic hospital group and had supported the affordable care act. >> right. and that kind of person is coming out in this letter. i think that's why the position is so quickly. also because it is final. this announcement was -- the result of a review of the policy. >> floated this months earlier and gotten comments back, bishops organized very strongly to -- you know, when put out a ruling for comments. usually interest groups will make sure that your comment box is flooded with people, you know, saying you shun this if they don't like. >> it as i said, i think this was a miscalculation of as i was saying before. even if they don't agree with the bishops and i happen to, and -- i'm not shamed to say that, even if you don't agree people feel like -- the reaction is isn't oh, i disagree with the bishops and agree with obama. why are you pushing around my church. what's your problem? that can be a problem in states like pennsylvania and in
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florida. or other swing states. it just -- this isn't -- it is not acting like a real wedge issue with catholics. we are seeing a lot of liberal catholics saying you threw us under the bus. you threw people that supported you against right wing contracts under the bus. >> thank you so much for coming here today. what you should know for the news week ahead. [ male announcer ] the inspiring story
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what should you know for the week coming up? turnout for the republican nevada caucus was lower than in 2008. 44,000 republicans turned out compared to 116,000 democrats. you should know barack obama ended up winning nevada in the 2008 general election and you should know despite mitt romney's big win last night republicans are worried about their base's enthusiasm gap going into november this year. you should we are less than four weeks away from the expiration of the payroll tax cut on march
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1. should know it was temporarily extended last year for two months after initial republican opposition and you should know extended the average household see its taxes rise by $80 a month. you should know a former guestor josh fox was arrested wednesday at a house science subcommittee hearing on the epa's investigation into whether fracking played a part. p staffers claim fox did not have the proper media credentials. when fox tried to it up his tripod to film the hearing capitol police officers entered the room and handcuffed him. you should know syrian forces killed more than 200 people on friday night in what appears to be the bloodiest attacks since uprising began 11 months ago. in response of the shellings, syrians running cairo, kuwait city stormed their own embassies in protest.
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u.n. resolution calling for syria to pursue a peace plan laid out by the arab league received 13 votes in the security council and was blocked by vetoes from china and russia. you should know in virginia in the state senate janet how el launched her own protest against a bill requiring women to have an ultrasound f. a cardiac stress test before getting prescription for erectile dysfunction. the state senate rejected her amendment and passed the ultrasound bill similar to another one in texas now being challenged in court. you should know after facing a withering grassroots backlash over announcement to block planned parenthood, while planned parenthood will be eligible for future grants, there is no guarantee they will get them. you should also know planned parent hood says it rig as whopping $3 million just this
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week in response to the controversy. you should know there are a whole lot of people in this country who have planned parenthood's back. as your attention turns to today's super bowl, you should know indiana's republican state legislature and governor are poised to turn indiana into a nonunion state but passing a law making it essentially impossible to form maintain unions there known as right to work law. and you should know that lay r labor groups and occupy demonstrators are teaming up to protest the law and you should also know the virulent anti-labor approach of the modern gop wasp always quite this bad. none other than mitt romney's father had this to say on the matter in 1962. >> i am opposed to right-to-work laws. i think they tend to divert people's attention from the real problem. >> you should know george romney was more than right on that score. you should also know someone saying that kind of thing wouldn't be allowed within a thousand miles of a republican presidential campaign in 2012. my guests are going to come back to tell us what they think we should know this week right
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our guests are back to tell us what we should know as the news unfolds. i'll begin with melissa harris-perry. the data on unplamt numbers became available. when you see the numbers, you want to unpack them a little bit. the fact is, things are going better, they're going well. but for african-american women and for white women. but specifically for african-american women. the unemployment numbers and the wealth numbers and the income numbers are still abysmal in ways that should really give us pause and make us anxious going forward. >> one of the things i thought interesting in the internals of the report is that black unemployment fell as a whole. black unemployment fell faster than the regular, than broadway
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unemployment. that was one of the high points in the report. >> the president must be making that up allen west says. >> cooking the books as it were. michelle goldberg, what should people know? >> i think you should know that bike lanes and conservation and public transport are not in fact the united nations conspiracy despite what's happening in the country. there was a story yesterday that tea party groups are opposing green initiatives saying it's part of a sinister plot of one world government. did you know you can land a black helicopter on a bike lane. they're small. i have one right outside my house. i have one -- >> you can probably fit a fema camp in a public park as well. >> i thought that was a good piece of reporting in the new york times on the conspiracy theories around green initiatives. >> and the way that people like newt gingrich are going on and on about them. >> emory slaughter, what should
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people know? >> china and russia -- 15 nations voted for it. those 13 nations included india, pakistan and morocco which are two muslim nations supporting this. germany. so there's a whole -- the 13 nations representing the rest of the world, that's a historic shift in support of standing up for the rights of people. >> right. and i mean, people i imagine -- there are five permanent members of the united nations security council each of which has a veto in and of itself. it's worse than the united states senate in terms of the democratic prerogative of the body. it failed 13-2 with 13 votes in favor. >> obviously the u.s. and france and britain voted for it, but latin, central asian all -- amy
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goodman, what should people know? >> what the indiana governor, mitch daniels, former bush budget director should know as we watch the super bowl today and others don't, that lucas oil stadium was built by union labor. we should also know that the occupy movement was evicted from their encampment in washington, d.c., yet the occupy movement continues in all sorts of ways all over this country as people marched in oakland. and how it expresses itself in this year could well determine the election of 2012. >> i think it's interesting we're going to see -- there have been a lot of protests and labor getting together in indiana to push back against the law that mitch daniels is pushing. mitch daniels is acceding to with the republican legislature. we'll be right back just after this break. [ male announcer ] to the 5:00 a.m. scholar.
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