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we asked you for emails at the top of the show. back to new york, and our producer john tower has a fenway memory. >> marjorie writes, grandpa saw cy young. dad, babe ruth in the world series. me, i'll never forget my first game with ted williams. >> and then coming back and finally seeing a world series in 2004. thank you. we'll be reading those all morning. i'm going to catch a ride in the bullpen car with mike barnicle. this is the throwback bullpen car. they don't use it anymore. mainly because they don't have a bep. but we'll talk more about that later. let's go! boston red sox. >> and here is ted's last at-bat. >> the ballgame is over! the red sox win!
good morning. it is friday, april 20. and "morning joe" is live from historic fenway park in boston marking 100 years of fenway. and our starting lineup this morning, joe, is msnbc's mike barnicle. he is coming in that ball. there he is. >> we are doomed. if we are bringing barnicle in from the pen -- >> what is this? >> what are we doing? >> it's ok, joe. look who's here. pulitzer prize-winning author doris kern goodwin. >> i don't care if she's juiced or not. she'll pull us through in the end. >> sam stein and his dad. >> yes. >> and his dad is in the dugout. >> i find it interesting that all the times that sam sometime has been on the show, his dad never showed up once. >> in fact, his father is embarrassed, i think. >> i invited his dad to come to the d.c. bureau.
>> so nice of you. >> right? >> nothing. >> so we come to fenway, and there's sam stein's dad. >> there is. >> it's like a scene out of "hoosiers "hoosiers." if the son is doing well, he's here. i have to say, this is one of the great thrills walking into fenway park empty on the day we're going to celebrate the 100th anniversary of this remarkable park. and doris kearns goodwin, talk about what it is like being a red sox fan, the agony, the anguish, the suffering. the tradition. >> and once in a while a few good things. >> i'll tell you, it has been so much a part of my life that i can't imagine how irrational i am. i wake up in the morning sad when they've lost. i can't sleep at night when they are not doing well. >> it's been a rough couple of weeks for you. >> but then i keep remembering, the great thing about of the had, i push my mind back and i
remember 2004, i remember 2007. i remember carlton fisk. i remember when i first walked in here, and i so loved the brooklyn dodgers. they moved to los angeles. my boyfriend takes me here, and i see the same kind of little park, the same team that almost wins, but then loses ultimately. and i fell irrationally in love. >> i grew up a braves fan, but out of nowhere, suddenly these two guys explode on the scene. not the guy behind me, but two guys explode on the scene. mike barnicle. >> hi, mike. >> fred lynn, jim rice, and of course '75, the same year, that amazing game six home run by carlton fisk. and just as they pulled me in, they promptly lost game seven to the reds. >> you got it. >> and then it began. and then '78, and then '86. the pain, much like a
lifetime -- much like bosnian. >> it's comparable. >> it might be. >> the pain defined being a red sox fan for a very long time. >> well, it's a lifetime of trying to balance anguish and exhilaration. and psychically, it's a very difficult but rewarding burden to carry. >> well, sort of. >> right. i remember. and i've told you the story, remember after the 2003 american league championship series. and willie smirking. >> i'm not. >> he's doing it now. >> he can smirk. >> i remember turning off the tv as they went to extra innings, and it's the first time i had ever done that in any sporting event. and my wife said, what are you doing? and i said it's over. she said, you never do this. i said, we are going -- and we're in new york. you heard eruptions in the apartment building. and i said i told you. and the next day i was walking down fifth avenue, willie, and this is back before everybody
wore red sox caps. >> right. >> and there were two guys walking down fifth avenue wearing red sox caps. and i turn and i stop and i look at him and i say, are you [ bleep ] with me? and he looked at me and goes, are you? and i just -- i put my head down, and i said, my god, how much longer? and then of course -- >> what if you had done that in 2004, what if you turned off game four as mariano rivera came in to close the door and finally broke the streak? they had for a long time the same condition that the chicago cubs had. i was born in evanston, illinois, and i believe to this day that my family moved to new york so i wouldn't grow up as a cubs fan. he always talked about that as a unique kind of child abuse. >> you would have turned out to be steve barton. >> oh, my god. >> barnicle tells the story in 2003 that it seemed like the final blow, mike, when you
looked and you saw that you had destroyed your son. >> i've told you the story. we're all there, 2003, game seven. yankee stadium. tim russert is there with us. my then 10-year-old son, timmy, is seated by me, next to me. and aaron boone hits the home run. the game is over. the season is over. get the storm windows over. maybe life is over. >> life is over at that point. >> this is just torture. >> they'll never win. >> collin barnicle, who was then 18, tugs my sleeve. the crowd has erupted in euphoria at yankee stadium. and he tugs my sleeve and says to me, dad, you better take care of tim. and i look down at 10-year-old timmy and he was slumped in his seat, tears as big as manhole covers coming out of his eyes. and i literally said out loud to myself, what have i done? what have i done? >> the series before that was the a's series, and we're sitting there and it's down to the last inning.
and i look, and i -- >> there's the world series. >> that's great. >> barnicle there. happy days. >> yeah. >> but i looked down the couch in 2003, and i have my red sox cap on. my wife is next to me with the red sox cap on. my two boys have red sox caps on. and my young baby girl has a little baby red sox cap on. and i looked down the couch and i said, oh, my god. >> what have i done. >> i have cursed them for life. >> this is the perfect jump-off to barnicle's point, which is that in 2004, when they finally won the world series, i among probably others of younger red sox fans, i called my dad, i can't believe it. we finally did it. and i had not been through the suffering that the older generation had, but i understand it. i felt really glad for my father to be able to see that win and be able to share in it. and, obviously, it's a new team now and a new red sox team because we are not accustomed to the suffering that had been so
much a part of the franchise. but it was nice it was shared from generation to generation. and i think like your kids, they suffered for a little bit. but they get to experience something new. >> '86 when we lost that game, i was crying, and my kids were then like 8 and 9. they said, mom, don't worry. they'll win next year. and i didn't have the heart to tell them, we don't know. >> explain really quickly, doris. by the way, the red sox are unique because they are a team for the entire region. whether you're in maine or new hampshire or vermont, wherever you are, everybody has the red sox on in the early going. but explain it, and i'm dead serious, there are people that live their entire lives, lived and died, without the sox winning. and it really -- in new england, that actually meant something. >> absolutely. and that's why it was so moving in 2004 when they bring flags or red sox caps to graveyards, as if somehow settling for that
father or grandfather that never saw that victory. because at least they felt -- and that's what's so incredible about baseball. it really is a sport where your father, your grandfather, shares it with you. and then there's the comradery of all of those years we lost. we shared tickets together, barnicle and i for a while. >> we have a huge -- we actually are going to get to some news as well. >> no. >> no, we're not. >> we are just getting started this morning live from fenway park. coming up, we have senator scott brown from massachusetts dropping by. democratic senate candidate elizabeth warren stopping be. bud selig and peter gammons will be be here. weather, especially with tonight's game. bill karins back in new york. bill? yeah, yeah. well, good morning, everyone.
we are watching a big storm that will be coming that way towards boston. but thankfully we should be getting in the game tonight and the game as we go through saturday. it's sunday that we'll be watching carefully for the problems and could get a rainout sunday evening. big nor'easter heading up the coast. let me break it down for you. we are watching the showers and storms in florida. less likely on saturday. east coast, looks like showers interior sections on saturday. but as sunday progresses that, storm heads up the coast. this is really our first chance at a significant big rain storm in months, and the times couldn't be worse there for that sunday night against against the yankees at fenway park. bottom line, saturday should be ok away from florida. sunday is the day that a lot of people will be stuck indoors with a washout. today, just showers and storms around dallas this morning. looks like a nice day in the middle of the country. the heat is really building in the west. could be near 100 in phoenix by the time we get to saturday. again, minneapolis to chicago, a cool weekend for you. but it won't be a washout.
and then there's that sunday, of course, with the heavy rain moving up the coast. as far as today goes at fenway, beautiful weather this morning as you can see there. and today for the game, it should be a gorgeous afternoon and early evening. you're watching "morning joe." more live from fenway coming up on "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. not in this economy. we also have zero free time, and my dad moving in.
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babe ruth was the bambino. >> that's right. he played for the red sox. they were great. they were the yankees. >> they won the world series in 1912, 1915, 1916, 1918. they were royalty. the elite. >> 1919, their miserable greedy pig sells babe ruth to the yankees to finance a broadway musical. >> i would never, ever see that piece of crap. >> and since 1918, the red sox have not won a world series. but the yankees have won 26. >> and the thing is, the sox don't just lose. they raise it to an art form. >> and that, my lady, is the curse of the bambino. welcome back to "morning joe." it is 16 past the hour. we are live at fenway park. with us now right here at the park, the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. you are just back from a triple talk. but first we're going to show you some polls. a new nbc news/"wall street
journal" poll. it shows 1/3 of americans believe the country is heading in the right direction while nearly 6-10 say the nation is on the wrong track. 45% approve of the way the president is handling the economy. 52% disapprove. 63% of respondents say rising gas prices have had a great deal or quite a bit of impact on their family. more voters believe mitt romney has better ideas to fix the economy and to change business as usual in washington. still he trails the president in a head-to-head matchup. president obama has a six-point edge over romney there. and among latino voters, it's not even close. the president has a 47-point lead there and beats romney by 26 points among younger voters. women and independents back the president by a double digit margin. and romney is also far behind when it comes to the perception of being easy going, caring about average people -- >> easy going? who came up with that idea? hey, i have a question. let's ask if mitt romney is easy going.
>> you wouldn't do well in that poll either, joe. >> it's a leading question. >> it really is. >> how about, does he like dogs? >> i want to go back to where we are actually going to the demos with latinos, with women, with independents. if we can put that back up. and look, we'll -- doris, let's look at three numbers. latinos, women, and independents. so long as any republican candidate is losing that badly in those three groups, it just doesn't matter what the national poll says. it just doesn't matter. they will lose unless mitt romney figures out how to turn those three numbers around. >> and that's where the primary campaign is going to really hurt him. he went so far onto the right on immigration. he ended up floating around in those women's issues he might not have had to otherwise do. and it's hard to pull those back. i know it's going to be another world in the fall than it was in the spring. but those things that were said about immigration and about women and planned parenthood, they'll come back to haunt him with that group of people that you're talking about. yeah.
. and independents. mike barnicle, not that long ago obama was faring terribly with independents. thought that he lacked leadership, didn't have a good idea for this country. it appears right now that independents have found somebody they like even less. >> i have to tell you, i'm shocked at the spread in those numbers. >> they are huge. >> latinos, women, and independents. shocked. that in itself is going to require five months of mitt romney just working those three particular groups to try and get to some acceptable level where he has a shot at winning. when you combine that, and if you read the text of mitt romney's speech to the nra last week, you've got to wonder, what are they thinking? if you believe i think as many of us do that this country basically lives in the middle, and no one is talking about taking your guns away, all right? but if you read that speech, parts of it are shocking, especially in regard to the stand your ground law in
florida. shocking stuff. why would you give that speech if you're seeking to come to the middle to win this thing? >> richard haass, you just came back from the middle east. i'd like to know where you went, and if the two candidates in the approximate t presidential race are part of the conversation overseas and how they are viewed. >> thank you for inviting this yankees fan. >> the second you stepped on the set, we took willie off. there's a one yankee fan maximum. >> glad to fulfill the quota then. >> yeah. >> i was in this trip saudi arabia, bahrain, and the united arab emirates. each country had a different focus. in saudi arabia, it was interesting how tense the feeling was about syria. about the sunnis in saudi arabia wanting to do something to protect if you will their kin in syria, the dominant issue. in bahrain, all internal. this is a country run by sunni minority. you have a shia majority. and the thing that always came to mind was northern ireland. you know, you have a minority
overseeing a majority. you have divisions on each side. you have outside countries which have a role in it. and it's getting increasingly violent there. you move to the united arab emirates. everything there is iran. not just the nuclear issue. >> why is that? why is the uae obsessed the way they are on iran? >> well, it wasn't just the nuclear. iran is the 800-pound gorilla if you will in the neighborhood. but also local countries care about the nonnuclear challenge posed by iran. iran is the imperial power in this part of the world. they are no longer checked by iraq. about a week before i got -- >> can you explain really quickly? so many people in america just sit around that don't really follow the news closely, don't follow the middle east closely, and go, oh, american is hated in the arab street. maybe in a lot of countries, but not as much as iran is hated across the middle east. they evare despised and loathed. why? >> because they are involved everywhere.
subversion is one of their essential policies. they see themselves as a great civilization. they push around everybody. the week before i got there, ahmadinejad, the president of iran, shows up on this disputed island on the straits of hormuz and talks about, hey, guys, they call it the persian gulf for one reason. it's persian. pay attention. this does not go well there. >> in the cannibbalkans, it's 3 years. but in that area, it's 3,000. >> and the united states. two interesting things. one about us, people want us to play a much larger role. how will we intervene against the syrians and so forth? very big interest there. the other thing, you don't hear anything about israel. two years ago if i made the same trip, almost all of it would be, why aren't you americans doing more about the palestinians? now that's parked on the side. it's either the problems in syria, the internal problems in
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>> beautiful. >> come on. >> with us now, mlb network analyst peter gammons. welcome back to "morning joe." peter just told me that i amuse him in the mornings. >> why is that? >> i don't know. when i do serious horrible stories, he falls into fits of laughter. >> he finds it funny? >> that's what he said employment employment. we were watching that ted williams 'final at-bat, and willie said you couldn't make it up. and peter, you said something interesting before the show, how the stadium has been the hero. and the yankees have the stars, the red sox have the stadium. but there was the one star. there was the natural, ted williams. >> well, he was what john wayne always played. he walked into a room, and he
dominated everything. he would yell at people. i was working at "sports illustrated," and they wanted me to interview dimaggio and williams at a function he was doing here for the jimmy fund. and dimaggio calmly explained to me, i don't speak to "sports illustrated." and ted looked at him and said, you're in my town. this is my event. and this is my friend. and [ bleep ] you're going to talk to him. >> ok. >> let me guess, dimaggio spoke with you. >> absolutely. >> mike, he was a tough guy. he was john wayne. and he was the best at whatever he did, whether it was hitting baseballs or flying planes. my grandfather flew planes in world war ii and said he was extraordinary. had amazing eyesight. whatever he did, ted williams was the best. >> best fly fisherman of all time down in florida. john glenn was ted's wingman in korea. and john glenn, astronaut, united states senate, would tell
you that ted williams was the best pilot he has ever seen in his life. and as peter indicated and as you just referenced, marty nolan, an old friend of ours, the editorial page editor of the "boston globe" for years when peter and i used to be there, once referred to this ballpark saying that the ballpark is the real star of the show. and it remains so today, does it not? >> sleuth. slulth -- absolutely. the yankees have always had stars. but really, except for periods of time with pedro martinez, the only star here was ted williams. now, he was a star of stars. but the ballpark is the star. the ballpark is the constant. and that's -- it's not only fun, but it's great business. >> the ballpark is sort of a symbol of the comradery of the fans. they are so close. they have been through so much together. so much sorrow, so much sadness, and yet happiness. and the fact that we are all bunched in here maybes us feel connected in a way. that's the glory of baseball.
>> because you have the same field, and is the one place where people come when they feel like they are coming home, you know. i can remember -- i can point to the seats that my son and i sat in at the '99 all-star game tearing up when ted williams came on the field, or where we were in actually game six just a couple of years ago before we went to hyannis port, mike, where the red sox had the most improbable comeback. talk about some of the memories that you have around this ballpark going back decades and decades. hell, centuries. >> you were talking to two guys here, you know, peter and i grew up in central massachusetts and small towns about 30, 35 miles outside of boston. it was easier to get to boston oddly enough in those days. a million trains. and you come here, and the memories just resonate. they just fall off you like sweat on a hotday. you can remember in 1954, jimmy pear sol, 37.
you can remember williams and all the memorable moments of ted williams. and then you escalate to 1967, the year that really brought baseball back in boston. the impossible dream year. '75, fisk's home run in game six that brought baseball back nationally. but the larger point, you know, that you and doris just referenced, not to be so parochial, there are other places in this country, st. louis and chicago, where you go to a baseball game and it's an oasis away from texting and googling. you can sit and watch a game and have a conversation about the game or about anything. nobody is going to remember 25 years from now, hey, you remember that tackle that lawrence taylor made against the packers? but you remember vividly the most arcane details of baseball games that you see. because it's there. >> because it goes slow. that's the beauty of it. >> it does. >> when they started the red sox hall of fame, dave roberts was one of the first people inducted into the hall of fame. he never had an at-bat.
>> no, he didn't need an at-bat. >> he stole second against mariano rivera, and the red sox ended up coming back. but he once said that some of the giants players were getting on us for talking about boston one day some spring training. and roberts turned around and said, excuse me, you'll never understand this. he said, i have not had a day in my life -- i have been in europe, latin america, i have never had a day when someone hasn't come up and said thank you. i never even got to have an at-bat. >> and for people at home that don't know what we're talking about, this is just the red sox equivalent of churchill in 1940. it doesn't matter how many disasters he had before or after. that one year, he saved western civilization so he's good. same with dave roberts. >> you should give credit to the ownership group here for saving the stadium. >> can you imagine changing it?
>> i'm a new york yankee fan. they have this beautiful new stadium, but it's sterile. >> it's a mausoleum. >> and the old yankee stadium for all its faults and its narrow corridors and its dirty horrible bathrooms, that's what you loved about it because that's where your grandfather saw joe d and the mick. there's a lot of places that are new, built to look like this, but this is the original. when a lot of people wanted to put the wrecking ball to this place a decade or so ago, they got the money together and preserved it and renovated it to make it a usable new ballpark. >> it's beautiful. i went to my first baseball game here. late in life i became a red sox fan. i can't imagine any other park really. it's not the same experience. it's got real history. >> one last thing, and this is -- >> except maybe tampa's new one. but go ahead. >> this is off of the dave roberts remembrance. that was game four of the '04 playoffs. the red sox finally beat the
yankees, and we are old newspaper guys, led to the greatest headline of all time. the headline was, the choke's on us. still ahead, we have senator scott brown and elizabeth warren will be here. that's a fascinating race, and we're glad to have both of them on the show this morning. you're watching "morning joe" live at fenway park. >> look at that bump out. >> that's so cool. >> we'll be right back.
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three, four, five, six seven years from now, if i do a good job as vice president -- i'm sorry. if i do a good job as a senator, i'll have a chance to do all sorts of things. >> wow. >> i hate it when that happens. >> that sort of says it all, doesn't it? what's on his mind? >> i think somebody wants a job. >> holy cow. >> he might want to simmer down and wait a few years. is that ok to say? >> yeah, sure. it's ok to say. >> so i think you guys disagreed a little bit on the conversation we had about the polls. let's bring up the head-to-head matchups again. richard haass, you say that you're not so sure romney is going to have so much of a problem.
>> sam and i were talking about it while we were listening to you all. one is the economy is still the overarching issue. and i look at what's going on in europe. it's much easier to see how it gets worse than it gets better. the problems in spain with the banks. europe is in recession. the fed has nothing left to do. there's no more stimulus. congress doesn't agree. the job numbers are not good. >> you think mitt romney is in a stronger position than polls suggest? >> yes. and he has six or seven months to close the gaps you highlighted. latinos, women, and the rest. so the combination of that time, that's a long time in politics, and the overhang of the economy. and one last thing, he has closed things pretty quickly. as bad as some of the numbers are, the overall numbers aren't that bad even after the republican primary. i think if you're mitt romney, you're going, not bad compared to where things looked a couple of months ago given the time i have got left. >> i think it made sense that he closed things.
i think it was a post primary bounce. people in the republican tent are going to be happy with him. but the economy in the u.s. looks line it's going to slow down from what looked like a promising situation just one month ago. jobless claims numbers yesterday were not good. home purchasing numbers were not good. and then you have the situation in europe, which is teetering on a real disaster. i read a bloomberg story that projected growth in germany, the best economy in western europe, will be 0.9%. that's terrible. and these are factors that are largely beyond the president's control. he literally has none to very few legislative maneuvers that he can now do especially with this congress to affect the situation. >> and the fed, as richards, the fed has already put all of their cards on the table. nothing else they can do. harold mcmillan once famously said a week in politics is a lifetime. six months, seven months, anything can happen. >> and the economy is not an issue. it's not even an issue
comparable to immigration to women. it's everything. economy is what happens when you wake up in the morning and you're going to a job that feels secure. do you worry about your kids' family? do you worry about college? it's a part of your daily life. and it must be an incredible thing to be the most powerful man in the world and you can't control the thing that matters the most to you. you know, that's famous conflicts. presidents get there, and they put something down on the desk and i think, do it, and nothing happens. >> and you're right. you sort of -- you talked about hispanics. you know, we -- whether you're talking about hispanics or talking about women or whether you're talking about young voters, whatever you're talking about, yes, there are some that are going to focus more narrowly on the self interest of their own groups. but you look at 1980. you look at 1992 with bill clinton. when that wave goes, it washes over all demographic groups. >> and don't get me wrong. i think the fact that mitt
romney has gone so far conservative on the issue of immigration reform is going to have real problems for him with the hispanic base. at the same time, though, they are worried about the economy. and i think what richard and i were discussing outside is that if there's one issue that just trumps everything, it's going to be the economy, and the signs do not look good. >> and to richard's point, joe, in the voting booths, do they vote on likability and all of these other things? >> no, no. they vote on seamus the dog. >> i think the key to the election for the president is going to be if you ask the question, are you better off now than four years ago, that's the end for him. but if you ask who is going to get us to a better place in the future, it's got to be an election about the role of government. it's got to be one of those big, big elections. what is the role of government? how can it help? how can it hurt? and whoever communicates that better, i think, because people do vote for the future. they are not voting just how they feel about the moment. >> and also, americans most importantly when they go in there to vote, they are very self interested. how is this going to impact me?
how is this going to impact my job? how is this going to impact my ability to pay for the gas that i put in the tank every week? how is this going to impact my ability to take my kids to school and then watch them graduate and go to college? richard, here is the problem. for most independents they don't focus on politics day in and day out, they are going to say, am i better off now than i was four years ago? and just on a very gut level, they are going to say, obama and bush bailed out the banks. they bailed out detroit. they had a stimulus plan. they had a national health care plan. they did all of these big things with government. and we're no better off today than we were four years ago. just on a gut level. >> absolutely no better off than they were two decades ago. >> don't shoot the messenger, guys. but just on a gut level, for people that don't follow this day in and day out, they are going to say, big government didn't help us. >> absolutely. and one last set of overhangs which is the international.
north korea, more mischief is coming from there. the middle east, iran, and sam already mentioned europe. these are all things beyond barack obama's control. it's hard to see how the context makes things better for him. it's easy to see how the context makes things worse for him. >> all right. willy and barnicle, by the way, are not here but i'm told they are down at the pesky pole. >> the pesky pole. >> what the -- what are they doing? >> willie, what's going on? >> this is a very quirky ballpark, guys. you have the green monster in left field, and here in right field, the pesky pole, about 302 feet from home plate. >> it might be 297 actually. >> why do they call it the pesky pole, barnicle? >> after johnny pesky, red sox hall of famer, number retired. and pesky would line balls off this pole at will. >> and kind of a light hitting shortstop, but he liked this
pole. >> i think seven of his 17 home runs came off the pole or around it. >> and it's not easy to hit a home run here, because you have to wrap it around the corner a little bit around the pesky pole. we'll talk much more about memories of the 100 years at fenway park when we come back with mike barnicle and peter gammons here at fenway park. wanna know the difference between a trader and an elite trader?
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the boston red sox. and the game is over. the red sox win! ♪ >> first pitch thrown on this day in 1912. a lot of memories, some of them good, some of them bad for red sox fans. but the first one they usually tell you about is carlton fisk. >> there it goes! a long drive! if it stays fair -- >> fisk waves it fair. >> home run! >> in the '75 world series. perhaps the iconic moment in the history of a ballpark that has
seen a lot of them. jfk's grandfather, john fitzgerald, threw out the first pitch at the brand-new fenway park on april 20, 1912, 100 years ago today. now i'm not much into omens, but fenway did open five days after the titanic went down in the north atlantic. >> i'm the king of the world! >> on december 26, 1919, just a year after the red sox won the 1918 world series, sox owner and theater producer harry frizzee sold a player named babe ruth to the new york yankees reportedly to finance a play called "no-no nannette." the curse of the bambino was born. a great many new englanders would be born, grow old, and die alone before the sox would win another world series. meantime, though, they saw ted williams hit .406 in 1941.
>> here is ted's last at-bat. >> in 1967, they saw yaz hit for the triple crown, for the impossible dream team that pushed st. louis to seven games in the world series before losing. there was another near miss in 1975, when one night after carlton fisk waved his home run fair the sox lost the world series to cincinnati's big red machine. >> it will be all over. and cincinnati has won the world championship. >> october 2, 1978. a day that will live in infamy for red sox nation. >> it's over the wall! it's a home run! >> yankees shortstop bucky dent, who hit a grand total of five home runs that season, and was batting ninth in the order that day, earned himself a new nickname, bucky [ bleep ] dent. >> and the red sox fans are stunned. >> fenway park was the scene of roger clemens 20 strikeout game
on october 8, 1986. that season ended, though -- well, there's no reason to relive 1986 on this day of celebration. on july 13, 1999, 80-year-old ted williams returned to fenway for the all-star game, where modern baseball's rich and famous were humbled in the presence of teddy ballgame. the long one-sided red sox yankees rivalry got especially ugly during game three of the 2003 alcs when pedro martinez put one in the back of the yankees karim garcia. >> must have knicked the helmet. >> then roger clemens, now pitching for new york, came in tight on manny ramirez, and it was on. the lasting image of that day at fenway is of martinez in the midst of the brawl throwing the yankees 72-year-old bench coach don zimmer to the ground by his sweet bald head. >> oh, my goodness. >> more hands were thrown
between boston and new york the next season when jason varitek spoke for red sox fans everywhere and put a big gloved paw right in the face of alex rodriguez. >> here we go. varitek and a-rod going at it. >> generations of misery ended mercifully and ever so sweetly later in that 2004 season with the hated yankees leading the american league championship series, the sox made a stand for history against the best relief pitcher in the history of baseball. >> still waiting for the first pitch. robertson is going. po sad oh's throw. roberts is safe! >> dave roberts assured he would never again pay for a drink in boston when he walked and stole second to start the rally against mariano rivera. the sox came back to win that game four, and then three more in a row to take the alcs. >> the boston red sox have won the pennant! >> 10 days later, the red sox
swept the st. louis cardinals to win the franchise's first world series title since woodrow wilson was drawing up his 14 points. >> red sox fans have longed to hear it. the boston red sox are world champions! >> that was 2004. then three years later, of course, they went on to win another world series. peter, have you seen an awful lot of games here. do you have a favorite moment or favorite play? >> well, comes in the carlton fisk game, but it was the catch off joe morgan with griffey on first. it would have won the game for the reds. and we have had this argument. i thought it was a greater catch than mays' catch in '54, because it was directly over his head and he had the corner to deal with. and not only did he make the catch, he spun, threw it in. got griffey off at first base and saved the game for fisk. but later, johnny bench told joe
morgan, yes, it's the greatest catch of all time. >> is that right? ok. spoken like a red sox fan, peter. barnicle, how about you? best -- we talk about the emotional things. teddy coming back in '99. how about a baseball memory for you? >> well, the elements of game six in '75 are still huge in my mind. fisk's home run clearly memorable. clearly iconic. bernie carbo's home run to tie the game right up into the center field bleachers on a two-count -- he had two strikes on him. looked like he was working in a japanese restaurant with a samurai sword for the swing. >> it was almost caught by a teenager named ron darling. >> really? >> and there he was in '86 beating the red sox. stadium full of memories, peter. we really appreciate you being here. it makes it extra special. this is like the mt. rushmore of boston, we have barnicle,
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>> the ballgame is over! the red sox win! ♪ >> ok. my world is complete now. i have been waiting for this moment for months. welcome back to "morning joe" live from fenway park. joining us onset, democratic candidate in the upcoming senate race here in massachusetts, elizabeth warren. >> welcome back to "morning joe." >> really good to have you on the show. >> top of the hour. it gets no better than this. dirty water playing in the background. we're at fenway. this is fantastic. >> this is the ultimate home game. >> this is. >> oh, god. >> willie geist, don't you wish you followed a team with tradition? >> have i been very restrained this morning. i would like credit. over this first hour, have i said nothing offensive as a yankees fan. >> there's still time, willie. >> you said nothing about '75 or
'78 or 2003? >> there were some mentions. >> all right. >> anyway, very exciting morning. look who we have here. >> elizabeth. really good. how is the race going so far? how is it feeling? >> the race is going great. it's fun. you didn't tell me how much fun this was going to be. >> it is fun. if you actually -- it sounds strange, but if you actually like people, there is it's n not -- a lot of people complain about campaigning. but i used to knock on doors and people would invite me in to dinner. and people would say, that's terrible but it's the greatest thing in the world if you like people. and you do. >> you like people. and you get to talk about things that you think are really important with people. because the whole point is people get a chance to tell you, this is why i think this race is important. this is what's important to me. here's what's happening in my life. and various bits and pieces. i get to come -- i get to go out and i just get to hear from families, i get to hear from young people, seniors. >> so what do you hear?
when you go out and -- and you talk day in and day out to people. a lot of times you're surprised by what's really resonating out here. what's the one thing that you hear out on the campaign trail that's not picked up by the "boston globe" or "the new york times" or "the washington post"? >> i think the single most frequent thing i hear is about how people are worried about paying for college. it's young people who are worried they can't afford to go to college. it's kids, god, i hear this all over the commonwealth, who worked hard, they played by the rules, they went to college. they loaded up debt. and now they can't get a job. they are moving back in with mom and dad. and they just see a world in which they thought, you know, i'm going to graduate from college, and my world is going to expand. there's going to be more opportunity. and instead, they're seeing a world in which opportunities seem limited, and they have now got this debt load like everything. and what's interesting is it's the kids themselves, it's young people. i talk to people in their 50s who are struggling with college loans.
i talk to grand parents who think that this is the sign of the future for their kids. so it's a -- what i keep hearing is all of the conversation around college is really a way to say at some level, people understand that there's been a shift in this country. you know, we used to have a world of expanding opportunity. and now there's a lot that's going on that makes it look much more like a world of contracting, narrowing opportunity. >> so when you were building the consumer financial protection bureau for president obama, clearly there was a mission. and your expertise and everything worked out and you did what you did. but then you decided to run for senate. are you worried that the things you want to do you won't be able to do as a senator or are you finding some synergy with voters that you will be able to bring something to the table in
washington and get something done? by the way, you notice not a lot is happening in washington lately. >> you know, the way i have come to see this is that the whole point of running for senate is to be able to offer an alternative. to say there's a choice here. and it's about what i was just talking about. there was a time we really made investments in america. you know, you kind of go from the great depression to the 1980s. and america said, we're going to build a future by investing heavily in education, in infrastructure, roads and bridges, all the things it takes to build businesses so they can flourish and basic research. and now over the past -- and it worked, by the way. because you get gdp goes up, median family incomes go up, families do better. and then we've had now 30 years. basically a generation in which we have shrunk those investments. we have cut back. so now china is investing 9% of gdp and infrastructure. you know, europe, 5%.
here in the u.s., we are at 2.4% and trying to figure out how to cover it. >> but in our defense, we are investing in afghanistan. that will help us out. >> we have cut back on basic research. to go to a state university now costs 350% more than it did 30 years ago, just for the basics. just tuition and fees. so what i think this is about, i think this is about really a big question about how we see our future. are we really a people who say, i got mine. the rest of you are on your own. or are we a people who say, we have to make the investments in our future. we are the ones who together create opportunity for our kids, for our tomorrow. >> yeah. geist? >> i think it's about that. >> you know, elizabeth, we've been talking about this for a couple of weeks now. out in this country, in this state there, is what we've been calling an anxiety level that seems to be higher than it has been in years.
so as you go across the state running for the united states senate, and meeting families and individuals and kids with college loans, what have you learned about yourself? >> you know, that's a wonderful question. i think what i've learned about myself is that the way campaigning works, the way talking to people works, is it's like you have to open your heart in a way to listen to people. and what happens is people shake hands. you know, you meet people, and you shake hands. and people will tell you something. and mostly it's you're glad to hear from people. and then somebody says something that's like a spear to the heart. somebody is either so worried that they're going to cut the basic funding for the senior center, and that means there won't be a place for mom to go during the days, and that means i'll have to quit my job, and my whole life is going to be turned upside down.
someone will say, i've got a 14-year-old, and i don't know -- i get that college is the basic ticket. i don't see how we're going to pay for this. and i don't see how we can take on that debt. what i've learned is that you take those not just in some policy sense, but you take them into your heart, and i take them home with me at night. and i wake up with them in the morning. it's just always there. >> elizabeth, there are an awful lot of people in this state who like the job that scott brown has done so far. they like him personally. they think he's a good guy. for some who are just tuning in to the race watching this morning, what's the clearest distinction you can make between yourself and scott brown? why would you be so much different than him and why should he not stick around? >> you mean other than him being a yankees fan? >> well, he did take the donation. we can get into that later. and i have no problem with that as a yankee fan. >> of course, scott brown will be here to tell us. >> the donation to try to move the sox out of fenway. he kind of has a problem this
week. >> what is the clearest difference between you and scott brown? judge does he not deserve another term? >> i think this is about whose side you stand on. you know, you just kind of look at where the two parties are. scott brown got an award from forbes magazine for being one of wall street's favorite senators. he voted to keep the -- >> you did not receive that award, by the way. last time i checked. not even from steve rattner. >> that's right. >> not even from a democrat. >> exactly. >> i don't think i even get nominated for that one. i'm not even like in their top 100 on that. but, you know, that's been where he's gone on this sort of thing. on dodd frank, it was there to move in, to try to help the biggest financial institutions. he voted to keep the big oil subsidies. at the same time that he was voting against -- we had a quarter of a million people unemployed here in massachusetts last fall. he voted against three jobs bills in a row.
he voted against extensions of unemployment. me, have i been out there all this time. this have all i have ever done is fighting to try to give working families, middle class families, a real shot. and you just keep watching year after year, and it's getting tougher for them. and if we don't make some changes, we've got a real problem. >> do you believe he answers to wall street more than to the working class voters? >> all i can do is look at how he voted. he has voted to protect the richest and most powerful among us. and he has voted against working families. and that's just where the -- that's the voting record. >> she really has a common touch. >> yes, she does. >> great with people. very relaxed with people. >> i'm just worried those families aren't going to get a chance. >> why is that? >> there's a picture now that's going to be all over the tabloids. >> i don't understand? >> yeah. >> oh, my lord. >> a republican. because joe -- >> turn it off! it's on the john hancock sign! >> oh, it's over. i'm sorry. no, it's actually not. that's adorable. >> just destroyed both of our careers.
>> elizabeth warren, i'm very excited to have you on the show. you need to come back. >> and i'm going to be asking scott the same thing when he comes in. but explain to americans who are cynical right now what a great honor it is to go out and not just to be elected but to campaign and to be able to talk to people. because people always say, oh, it must be so awful to campaign. and there are a lot of hateful people online and a lot of hateful people on twitter, a lot of hateful people on facebook. but when you knock on doors and you actually get to shake somebody's hand, be they republican, independent, or democrat, i mean, it's just the -- most are lovely. >> yeah. >> and are glad that you're there to talk to them. >> you know, and the campaigning is sharing with them a fundamental optimism about the democratic process. when you're talking about office, you're talking about running for office, you really -- it's because you believe you can make things better. it's because you believe you can
make a real difference. and it's a chance to have that kind of fundamental communication. >> and what a great honor to be able to do that in this country, to be able to do that. >> that's right. >> it is amazing. >> elizabeth warren, thank you so much. >> thank you so much. i hope i haven't destroyed your career. still ahead, republican senator scott brown joins us at the ballpark. we'll also talk to democratic senator john kerry. and next, former congressman -- oh, no. what happened? how did this happen? >> what's going on? >> i thought he was arrested! >> keep it right here on "morning joe." this is going downhill. >> oh, god. >> it's going downhill fast.
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if the u.s. senate election were held today, and elizabeth warren were the democratic nominee against scott brown, would the menino organization in boston be pulling out votes for her? >> let me just say when you vote, it's a secret ballot. >> are you with elizabeth warren or aren't you? >> i'm not with anybody at this time. >> is there any chance you'll sit this one out because of your friendship with brown? i know you would never endorse a republican, right? >> no. but i always get involved somewhere, somehow, someplace. if it's not me, it's someone
else who stands in my shadow. >> oh, my goodness. >> that was kind of painful. >> yeah. >> joe is in the has been club before he got to congress. >> exactly. nice. i just keep coming back. i'm lazarus, baby. >> refusing to take a stand on the senate race between elizabeth warren and senator scott brown. here with us now, mayor tim menino. bill delahunt. has been. and a democratic state senator representing the boston area, state senator sonia chang diaz. very good to have you all onboard. >> great to see you. >> delahunt, what are you holding? >> this is a bat that i used to bang one off the wall about maybe 35 years ago. >> oh. >> and here is a problem. it's a carl crawford bat, and it actually serves more as a golf club because every time he hits it, it's strike three.
>> oh, yeah. >> strike three. >> that's how you play golf. >> crawford, man. at least he is a good fielder. oh, wait, no, he's not. he screwed that up too. >> i might need to use that before the show is over. >> delahunt, what are you doing besides getting in trouble? and you owe me for the bail money. >> i'm living the dream. i bailed you out so many times. >> oh, god. please don't. >> it's coming to me at this point. >> can we not go down memory lane again? can we just not? i really don't -- no. >> mr. mayor, talk about how important fenway has been to this city for so long. >> it's the most beloved ballpark in the nation. and 100 years. great memories here. davy roberts, 2004, stealing second base. bill mueller hitting the ball, double. ortiz wins the game for us. just the history of this ballpark. i have tickets right up in section 29 for the last 30 years. and i come to this ballpark a lot because it's great memories here. great team. and a great spirit when you come to fenway park.
and it's so close to the fans too. >> yeah. >> there's no ballparks -- most ballparks you need binoculars to see the field. here, no. spectacular place. >> don't you love, sam stein, how fenway has been here for 100 years but history didn't start until roberts stole second base? >> you're right. the seats are on top of the stadium. you can get a seat and you are literally this far away from being in fair play. it's amazing. it's fantastic. also kind of dangerous. i feel like a foul ball could come right at you. >> yeah, it understancould. and it might just hit you right in the head. all right. i want to talk about politics with sonia. you made history here. the first latino state senator representing your area. >> yeah. >> and watching the presidential election and hearing from voters first hand, how do you think the
women vote is going to peare down, especially with the challenges that mitt romney is facing right now in the polls? >> well, i'll be blunt. >> be very blunt. >> have i heard over the past few days over the romney campaign has been pitching governor romney as a better choice for women, in particular working women. and it just stretches credibility. and after the lily ledbetter fair pay act gaff -- and to be fair, no staffer or candidate can know the answer to every question at any moment to every question. but the fact that they are campaigning on being the better candidate for the working women, but not knowing about the ledbetter act, it just really makes the claims ring hollow. >> what do you think women are looking for and care about? you hear ann romney being put out there and mitt romney touting her as sort of knowing how women care about the economy. but more specifically, what are you hearing out on the street? >> well, you know, women are --
women care deeply about bread and butter issues. so many of them are sole breadwinners for their family or are economic drivers for our neighborhoods and communities. i think that economic issues of course are top of the list for women as well as for men voters. and i think that women are looking for, you know, commitment over time. and delivering on, you know, on the talk about commitment. and, again, you know, i'll give the example of the fact that the lily ledbetter fair pact was the very first law that the president signed when he came into office. you know, that's what commitment looks like. >> it's actually real action. >> yeah. >> bill, you were in congress when mitt romney was here. congress and governors have to work together. what kind of governor was he to work with? >> well, he -- we worked on two specific issues. we worked well together. one involved the cape win project. we shared the same view.
and also the closing of otis air force base on the cape. but other than that, we disagreed on most policy issues. >> but good guy? was he an idealog or somebody you could work with? >> he was very cool. yeah. you didn't really connect with governor romney. it wasn't a lot of schmoozing. there wasn't the banter, for example, that you and i had when we were in congress. >> i want to ask you and the mayor this question. how ironic is it that when you come to boston, and you talk politics -- i love it. i mean, because it's sport. and people are -- >> it's very visceral. >> people that are involved in it love it. and yet you look at the guys that make national tickets, mitt romney, john kerry -- >> ted kennedy. >> ted kennedy. mike dukakis. well, not ted. mike dukakis. the ones that get the
nominations all seem a bit distant, a bit cool, a bit aloof. in both parties. >> well, you know, obviously, we have different personal relationships. i have known senator kerry for 40 years. we were prosecutors together. >> yeah. i like him. good guy. >> so i have -- i know a side of john that maybe others don't. he is a very warm, caring guy. you know, there was a recent book done by two writers for "the globe" that really captures the essence of the real romney. you know, the title of the book is "the real romney". and it describes him not derogatorily, but kind of as a cold, calculating, in some ways distant to those that don't know him. and i don't think many people really do know him. >> his family knows him. and for people that know him, closely, love the guy. but again, there was always this romney had this reputation in
massachusetts as being a little sdoo distant, right? >> sure. it was distant. but like the congressman said, the one time we needed him he delivered for us on classification issue of the taxpayers. but very distant guy. you couldn't get to know him like you did with bill weld and jane swift. >> but he did get things done here, right? >> well, that's questionable. you know, he got the health care bill done. >> oh, lordy. >> oh, my god, the health bill is bad. he is the one who signed it into law. >> how is the health care bill doing in massachusetts right now? >> it's doing very well right now. extremely well. but now he signed it into law and walked right away from it. he should take credit for it. 98% of the people in massachusetts are covered by health insurance today. it's doing very well. but all of a sudden, it's bad because national image. you know, stick by what you believe in and go forward. and that's the issue we have here today. what do you really believe in? >> and several of you in this conversation have used the word
"distant." joe, is that a step before disconnected which could be some-in some ways -- >> well, no. you have heard a lot of democrats and republicans on the hill talk about barack obama as being distant and remote. we have two guys running in 2012 who both personally -- and we've talked to both of them personally and we like them very much personally. they are if you sit and talk to barack obama or mitt romney, they are lovely guys. both of them. but politically, when they put their game face on, there is a distance, a remoteness, an al f aloofness to both of them. and we just had elizabeth warren here, complete the other end of the spectrum. >> a complete connector. >> yes. >> mayor, state senator sonia chang diaz, and where did willie go? where is he? >> where are you, buddy? >> mika, i'm up on the famous
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all right. welcome back to "morning joe" live from fenway park for the is 00th anniversary of this old ballpark. we have moved now from the field inside the scoreboard. just to keep it in perspective here, this is left field. i can look out and see home plate from where i am. this is where they keep the score. and the man who does that is christian elias, and he has been doing it for 22 years. one of my favorite traditions
here is a lot of the players come in and sign the wall. you have a couple of favorites? >> we do have a couple of favorites. and we're actually in an area where some of those favorites reside. right up here, player for the red sox that we're most closely associated with, manny ramirez signed here a few years ago. and he writes, mvp 2008. >> that's interesting. why? >> especially since he wasn't the mvp in 2008. but he never lacked for confidence. >> classic manny. perhaps predicting an mvp award. there are some other signatures, and teach me a little bit of how this operation works. are there other man handled scoreboards around still in the league? >> i believe there is. chicago, wrigley field. >> what are you doing? >> trying to erase mariano rivera. >> here is mo, 1982, the great yankee closer. and trevor hoffman, the other saves guy on the wall as well.
>> mariano is a big fan of coming back here. he is very, very nice guy. really classy individual. and so we welcome all players from other teams. no matter what uniform they are wearing. most of the players are more interested in the history and everything about being back here and the signatures than we are interested in them. so it's been a great experience. >> so you might be sitting back here getting ready for the game and in walks mariano rivera, knocks on your door and there he is? >> sleuabsolutely. and it's really a tradition that's been passed down from generations of ball players to ball players. we don't ask them to come in. a lot of times the rookies or young players will come back and say, my manager said the first thing i did when i came to fenway park i needed to do was come back here and check out this space and sign the wall. so it's a great tradition. >> very cool. now show us how you actually keep score. i'm confused. you're looking at a green wall. you don't have the game in front of you. how do you know where to put the numbers? >> i can't reveal too much,
because that's my job security. that's how i've been able to last 22 years here. but i can tell you that we can see the game great. we have great views, and that's one of the biggest misconceptions about people and our view back here. we can see everything in the ballpark. so we really just watch the game. we don't have a tv or radio. we don't listen to or watch the game. but everything is manual that we control. and these are one of the plates, the number plates that we'll put up. so for example, if the red sox get a hit in the bottom of the first, we know that this is the runs, hits, and errors column. >> how do you know that? it doesn't say anything, does it? >> that's part of the job security thing. >> oh, there you go. >> i'm going to keep that to myself. but if the red sox get a hit, it would go right in this area. and i'll have you do the honors. >> please. slide it right up? >> rest it on the hooks. >> it's unlikely, by the way, this will happen. they are not going to get a hit off ivan nova today, but i'll put it in just for the fun of
it. that's it? >> that's it. and i think you qualify for our score keeper intern program. >> this is a cool tradition, mike. >> this is one of the coolest traditions in the park. and chris is absolutely right. the first time a lot of players get here, their first trip up to the major leagues, they come in to sign. >> and mariano rivera will not be, raced, even by you, mike. >> almost. >> 22 years as the red sox score keeper. thank you for being with us. >> thanks for having me. and we'll be right back here on "morning joe" with senator scott brown. also, mlb commissioner bud selig when "morning joe" returns to fenway park. easy label, right? but that label can lead to prejudice and discrimination, and we don't want to go there. so let's try to see people for who they really are.
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welcome back to "morning joe," live from fenway park. joining us now, republican from massachusetts senator scott brown. >> you think i should kiss him? because i kissed elizabeth on the cheek. and i actually -- i said, can i kiss you? and he goes, whatever, man. whatever, man. >> i'm a little disappointed he didn't kiss me. >> well, we're going to go out to the scoreboard later. so let's talk about one of the most nervous moments of your life that happened right behind here. >> well, it was last year. i was throwing out the first pitch at the toronto game. and i practiced for about two weeks, literally, two weeks practiced in the car garage, in the hallway, in the dirksen
building. and walking out there in front of 37,000 people, and a guy says, senator brown, if you screw it up, it will be on youtube for the rest of your life. >> except he didn't say screw it up. and doris, you told the story of your son who is running for state senate, but obviously a war hero. and a lefty. i had no idea you were a lefty. >> yes. 45 mile an hour fastball. >> but, joe, your son, joey, who has seen too much combat, what did he have to say about throwing out the first pitch? >> he had just come back from iraq. he was on crutches. and he said he was more nervous throwing out the first pitch than when an rpg went over his head. that's the first i learned of the rpg. and i said, joey, it doesn't matter you're on crutches. it's going to say bronze star. mom, you don't understand. it's a guy thing. i have to get that pitch. >> unbelievable. right down the middle. >> that's true actually. >> and i am told by a couple of
the members of the secret service detail and the members of the yankees that he warmed up in the runway at yankee stadium that night for about 10 or 15 minutes with the vest on. >> yeah. >> he had the bulletproof vest on. >> i remember jeter said something to him that shook his nerves. >> don't screw it up. >> yeah. >> the whole country is watching. >> so anyway, let's fast forward 11 years, mika. we have a race in massachusetts. >> yes, we do. we do. two of the best candidates we've seen in a long time running against each other. senator scott brown, who we love. i am more of an elizabeth warren supporter. >> i'm more of a scott brown guy. >> but i have to say, i like scott too. >> i like elizabeth too. >> it would be hard to be a massachusetts voter. look at these polls. some of them showing it's really tightening between the two of you. how does this race look from your perspective? >> listen, if i believed in polls, i never would have gotten out of bed when i was down 41 points when i first ran. you'll see many polls up and
down all around. but the poll that matters is obviously election night. and when the votes are tallied. i feel very good. i'm a republican in massachusetts. and the fact that i took the kennedy seat, which they want back very, very badly, and it's literally me against the capitol hill and beacon hill machine. i'm not surprised. >> mike, you actually were predicting that scott brown was going to win before anybody else was predicting scott brown was going to win. >> yeah. >> and you explained it talking about the roads that led from boston. >> yeah. going out to worcester almost every day on the weekend, i take one of my sons out there to hit with rich getman, the boston red sox catcher. and going through the small towns, you see all sorts of scott brown signs. and this is in december right before christmas. and i told joe and mika one morning, i said, this guy is going to win. >> yeah. >> you could just feel it. but this year, running against elizabeth warren, it's going to be a terrific senate race. one of the best senate races ever was john kerry and bill will.
>> sure. >> and this has the potential to be another good race like that. but we know what you have going against you. just mentioned it. a republican running in massachusetts. you'll have president obama at the top of the ticket. that's going to draw a lot of people out to vote. but as a republican in massachusetts, how do you make that work in this one party state as a strength? >> well, actually, there's more independents now than there are democrats and republicans together. and the fact that i'm the second most bipartisan senator in the united states senate and the only parts of the jobs packages of the presidents that have passed is the ones i was involved in. i was in the white house two weeks ago signing my insider trading bill. and then the jobs bill. and you throw in the 3% withholding, the arlington cemetery bill, the 1099 fix. i could go on and on. the only reason we are getting things done is because i'm there and we're working hard across the aisle finding people of good will to solve problems. i'm a problem solver, mike. you know that. you've followed me forever.
and the fact that i'm working across party lines, wanting the bills, seeing how they affect our deficit and voting, you need people like me to do more of that. you have senator thune coming on later who is a great guy, and one of the guys we can find commonality and common ground with, and there are others on both sides. >> doris, and i'm not just sucking up on scott brown because i kissed elizabeth warren. but i mean this, just as i said to elizabeth. what a great honor it was to be able to campaign and be out and meet people. but massachusetts has a reason to be proud right now with these two strong candidates. you listen to scott talk. and we don't hear a lot of people talking like this in washington anymore, talking about bipartisanship. >> no. somehow, the political culture here still allows that kind of comradery, the way you both decided not to take the third party stuff. can i ask you a question? we have this great history of moderate republicans here in massachusetts. are you proud to say you're a moderate? >> absolutely.
senator brook was a -- >> we need more people saying they are moderate. >> i have spoken to senator brook. we have the best of both worlds. people like the fact that they can have the best of both worlds. and we work together, john and i, hand in hand on issues that affect massachusetts. and that's critically important to have two senators working together for the best interest of massachusetts. there are a lot of states that can't say that. that's something that the voters tell me all the time, the fact that they know the house isn't going to change back to democrat. so if there's no republicans, who's going to communicate with the house? >> right. >> and nobody in the delegation has -- 54% of the time in my party, having every other member of the delegation in massachusetts voting 97% with their party. listen, we need problem solvers. we don't need rock throwers. and i'm a problem solver. >> i asked delahunt one time, why is it you guys in massachusetts always just keep one republican around? everybody else is democratic but
you always keep one republican. and he said, joe, because if we were all democrats, we wouldn't leave a scrap of gold on top of the capitol dome. we need one republican to keep us honest. >> joe, let me tell you. bottom line, we have -- the fact that you have three speakers indicted, one is in jail, four senators indicted, one in jail. you have a probation scandal, a housing scandal, all of these things happening in massachusetts because there's no check and balance. it's kind of a go along, get along mentality. you need democrats and republicans to work together, number one. but you need republicans not only on capitol hill but on beacon hill to kind of have that offset that, natural check and balance that our founding fathers wanted. >> and that is what you said, mike, coming up. you said the one party system in massachusetts is corrupt. and a lot of voters want to maybe have a check. >> well, it works as an asset to senator brown or any other republican, moderate republican, running in the state.
and it's one thing i can't understand why mitt romney hasn't talked about it more. senator brown could speak about it because he was in the legislature here. unless you're willing to work across the aisle, i don't care whether you're talking about getting someone a vanity license plate or a curb cut, it's not going to get done. >> we had five out of 40 in the massachusetts. >> five out of 40. >> 16 out of 160 in the massachusetts house of representatives. every day i got up i had to work with democrats. when i go down to washington working with a democrat is no big deal. but my colleagues look at me and say, what are you doing? and i say, i'm problem solving. >> that is a scary thing. >> there are checks currently in the federal government. there are checks. we have a democratic president, republican house. it's the ability to figure out where those two sides can meet up that actually is missing. when we talked earlier on the program about how the economy is showing bad signs now about -- and we had a couple of nice months of job creation, but the jobless claims numbers are bad again, where can the government, congress and the white house, come together to actually
encourage more job growth? or are we just so hopelessly done with any legislative possibilities? >> that's a great question. i think about it every day. i was at the white house two weeks ago signing the jobs package, working in the 3% withholding, doing the hire a hero veteran bill. i am taking one good deed, to beget another good deed and then another. but when we throw out votes that are just being used for commercials in november, people get frustrated and discouraged. how can we work together? sometimes government needs to get out of the way. there is a role for government. sometimes it needs to step back. as i travel around massachusetts, the number one issue by far is the lack of regulatory and tax certainty. period. nothing more important. >> more regulations? >> no, no. we have regulations that are common sense regulations. the fact that you look at a lot of what's happening with gsa and the million dollars they spent here in massachusetts, crushing fishermen in massachusetts because of the overregulation. there's so many. we need to work together and find that balance.
it's not this my way or the highway mentality. the fact that these agencies now in massachusetts and throughout the country, they are in business' faces every single day. we need to work together to solve these very real problems. >> on the other hand, the lack of regulation is part of what brought on the financial crisis. >> listen, i was the supporter. i worked on that. it never would have passed if it wasn't for me. i was tired of having banks and wall street act like casinos with our money. but not for me being involved, that never would have passed. i heard what professor warren said. i watered it down. with all due respect, it never would have passed, number one. number two, there never would have been a consumer protection bureau that she would have been able to participate. and number three, the fact that -- >> aren't you glad that you were able to create that for her? >> of course, of course. >> and gave her a platform. >> it is the strongest regulation in three generations. it's kind of hypocritical to say that i watered it down. >> and yet we have heard doris say you are not going have third
party attacks and yet how sad that elizabeth warren has got this guy, she paid him $20, to mow the lawn right behind you while you're talking on our show. >> that's her uncle. >> it's the democratic party. a big democrat from way back. >> that's really funny. >> this is like an incredible race. >> i love you, man. >> this is going to be -- >> the funniest guy in massachusetts right there. >> who is that? lenny? >> lenny clark. >> lenny, how are you doing, buddy? >> how are you? >> all right. >> scott, thanks so much. it was great to see you. >> all right, scott. >> oh, another hug. >> do i get one too? >> all right. thank you very much. >> all right. >> shake his hand. >> it's going to be a great race. >> it will be really scoreboar now. >> all right. >> when we come back we've got baseball commissioner bud selig on "morning joe" live from fenway park, the house that love
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welcome back to "morning joe" live this morning from fenway park in boston as we help celebrate the 100th year anniversary of this old ballpark. now to the part of the show i'm most excited about. i'm with the head of grounds, dave miller, he's been doing this for 12 years. dave, tell me about some of the unique challenges that fenway poses that some of your buddies in other stadiums don't have to face. >> many of the same challenges we face here homeowners across new england are facing. but the green monster is so unique to us because of the radiant heat that comes off of it. a friend to us in the spring helping the grass to get growing, but in the summertime it gets hot quick. >> 15 to 20 degrees out by the monster than here. >> absolutely.
the radiant heat off that grass in the summertime is really warm. especially compared to the upper deck shade over here. it's a 20-degree difference just on the grass. >> okay. you are a grass guru. as a guy who did landscaping for three years, i'm fascinated by this. we always used to try to go out in people's yards and recreate the outfield in yankees stadium. you say you can do this at home. in fact, you have a book called pitcher perfect where you can mow like the majors. how do you make these beautiful lines? >> patterns are limited by your imagination. a light stripe moed away and dark stripe mowed toward you. something festive like the sox logo or a checkerboard. everything is possible but a yankee logo because it kills the grass. >> burns the grass out. >> instant damage. >> ech a dope like me in my own backyard i can make some kind of logo. >> absolutely. you can spell words. you can make diagrams, anything that you can think of you can do. there are step-by step instructions in my book. >> it's got to be just an
incredible honor as a grounds keeper to work this stadium. it's an honor to work in the big leagues period, but in particular this place. >> i was in the majors 16 years before i came here. and that was an exciting, exciting experience. but coming to fenway and literally i get goose bumps every day i come out here. it's an honor to be one of the caretakers and help the staff here. >> you're doing a great job. i appreciate you letting a yankee fan walk out here. the clock's running. i got to get back on the dirt before it burns. appreciate it. >> absolutely. >> we'll be right back here on "morning joe" with senator john kerry as we celebrate the 100 anniversary of fenway park. [ horn honks ]
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as far as pure luck goes, we're not the top 1%. we're the top 0001%. it gets no better than this, does it? >> on a scale of, you know, one to 1,000, we're at 1,000 right here. >> yes. >> every red sox fan in history. >> what's your favorite fenway moment here? >> well, in 1967 i was working my way through b.c. and i drove an ice cream truck. and i was able to convince the players gate guard for $5 to park outside the gate every night in august and september. and i would sell right outside raising my prices from 7 cents a popsicle and he let me came in every game. >> what a year. >> yes. then in '68 martin luther king had been killed and bobby
kennedy had been killed. and in july 40,000 people were here. and i was an usher right over here, right over that third base dugout. and eugene mccarthy was right there. after b.b. king, pete, se gar. this was the last hope going into the chicago convention of '68. and it was an impossible dream to end that war in vietnam the say way the '67 season was an impossible dream. it kind of lit a flame for red sox fans and for people who hoped that they worked out that they could end the war in vietnam. >> i have another red sox fan for you. >> who's that? >> joining us from washington, capitol hill, senator john kerry also joining the conversation as well. senator, thanks for being on board this morning. >> i'm delighted. i am so jealous of all of you being up there. eddie, some of us are down here still trying to save the nation, you know. >> oh, yeah.
uh-huh. lot getting done there in washington. >> i cannot tell you how envious i am. i tried to find an early-morning flight. i wanted to get up there. anyway, it's fun listening. you know, i was there in 1968. i was on leave in the navy. it was right before i reported for duty at coronado in san diego. and a guy said, hey, gene mccarthy's coming in. you have to come to this rally. i went over to fenway and we sat by the third baseline, eddie. looking down, he drove in just an incredible evening, political evening. one of those moments at fenway. it was great. >> fenway has been mike barnicle at the heart of this city whether it's baseball or ya'll talking about gene mccarthy's famous rally in '68. >> they tell me -- i'm not that
old but fdr had the last rallies of his life -- >> 1944. >> yeah. >> not well at that time but somehow you pump yourself up. there was music in the background. the car comes out of the back. i mean, that was a great i connick moment for fdr. i feel like i was here with him in my mind. >> great time. >> i got to say, i'm a lone yankee fan onset today. i was listening to something that -- >> you had scott brown there. >> well -- >> oh. >> i'm just playing around. >> that's a low blow. >> i'm just hacking around guys. >> it's morning. >> we're just having fun this morning. we're just having fun. i want to announce to the boston class that's fun. only fun. >> it's all in just. >> it is totally all in just. >> the yankees right fielder was
asked about this. obviously a heated rivalry and the fans get overheated about it, but he said when he came up in baseball he didn't realize he'd made the major leagues until he walked out on this field. he was playing for the oakland a's. it was when he walked here at fenway oh my gosh i'm playing in the big leagues. >> compared to the tampa bay guy who said it was a dump of a place and got home runs when he was here. got so mad at him. >> yeah. let's talk about, senator, you were talking about doing the people's business in washington instead of doing the important business up here at fenway. yeah. let's talk about energy for a second. gas prices obviously going to play a large role in the campaign of 2012. you get out and you talk to americans and that's one of their greater concerns. when is the united states going to finally move to having an energy policy instead of just
reacting to whether gas is at $4.50 a gallon or $1.50 a gallon? >> well, the reason we don't have a solid energy policy in america, i've come to believe after leading the effort two years ago to try to get one, is that there are powerful interests in the country that spend an enormous amount of money to preserve the status quo. we had an agreement a couple years ago now, joe, with the utilities, with the nuclear industry, with the oil -- with the major oil people, and unfortunately some major coal fire powered plant people were able to spend a lot of money, influence a lot of people and say we're simply not going to move forward with pricing carbon or doing anything that puts america into a better position because they like the cash cow power plants that they have now fired by coal.
so that's what freezes it. you have gridlock in washington mostly because of the amount of money in the system. >> so, ed -- >> it's that simple. i'm telling you, citizens united is robbing america of its democratic process. it's stealing the agenda. and it's allowing the largest amount of money to set the agenda. or if not proactively do something, to block things from happening. >> you could say the administration has made some baby steps on this, but certainly big picture there's a long way to go. do you agree with what the senator is saying about what is causing the gridlock on this issue, which really quite frankly holds us hostage. >> yeah. we have no oil or gas or coal up here in new england. so what we say, really, is it's all of the above. let's have a deal. and the president is opening up areas that can be drilled for in the united states.
but simultaneously the republican cuts wind and solar and all the clean energy by 85% even as he leaves in all the tax breaks for big oil $4 billion a year. that's not all of the above. that's the coke brothers, that's peabody coal saying let's just continue to invest in this fossil fuel future without the technology future. massachusetts is the base state but it's really the brain state where the innovation comes from that can invent these new technologies that we can put out into the marketplace so we can actually say to opec we don't need your oil anymore than we need your sand. >> and big oil really needs those tax breaks. i mean, they're really suffering. it's been a hard time for them, hasn't it? >> they are tipping people upside down at the pumps and just shaking money out of their pockets on a daily basis. and even as they say let's build a keystone pipeline, my amendment on the house floor says, okay, let's keep the oil here in the united states.
and the oil companies say, no, we want to take that oil, refine it and through the port arthur texas, a tax free zone, sell it out to china. so what's the point if we're going to have the oil and sell it around the world? otherwise all we do is export our young men and women to the middle east to protect the oil coming into the country. >> doris kearns, explain to us why historically the united states has never adopted an energy policy. jimmy carter talked about it back in the late '70s. he actually seemed to be a visionary on the need to have an energy policy. and yet we don't ever talk about it until gas prices spike. and when gas prices go back down, we forget about the need. why? >> part of it is hard for us to do anything big anymore to really create something that's large in any field. we have trouble with that. but i think it's also what senator kerry said. the interests that don't want that energy policy are so much greater than the ones that do.
somehow citizens united we are people -- men create problems, people can create the answers to them. we have to get an amendment. and unless that money is taken out of politics, it's at the core of everything that's happening. >> everything. >> and when you guys have to spend so much time raising -- maybe not you because you're so entrenched, but raising so much money 80% of time dialing for dollars, they go home on the weekend to raise money, they don't stay around. in my old days, they used to play poker, they would dance -- not dance, they would drink together. but they formed friendships across party lines. now they go home on thursdays, they come back on tuesdays because they have to dial for dollars. it's terrible. we have to do something about it. >> senator kerry, we had former prime minister tony blair on with us yesterday and he was talking about the middle east, specifically syria. you've been to the middle east multiple times. you chair the senate foreign relations committee. it's a situation glaringly violent each and every day.
seems unending. what can be done? what's the role the united states can play in syria? >> well, in syria specifically we have to work with the gulf states and with turkey and jordan and the arab league. it's vital that there be arab leadership in whatever happens there. and they have shown leadership. i mean, it's really quite stunning that the arab league has kicked assad out. trying to help the syria army and national council. we'll be meeting next week with the syria national council members here in washington. i'm going to be over there actually in about a week in order -- not in syria, but in the region, working with these folks to figure out how we go forward. but there are so many moving parts now that are dangerous with respect to the middle east. obviously iran.
but egypt is fundamental to our ability to move forward. it's a quarter of the arab world. and it's very, very complicated what's happening in egypt. i think you could have more tahrir squares there. it's conceivable the egyptians could pull out from under the peace agreement with israel. there are just so many moving parts that are influx right now. i think we need to be very, very thoughtful. i don't believe we can do anything that were to send a signal other than mr. assad has to leave. and we have to figure out whether it's going to be in a prolonged and very bloody confrontation or whether it can be structured in some kind of more orderly transition. and that's really -- those are the two options that i think are staring everybody in the face. >> ed markey, before you leave, senator john kerry obviously one of the leading voices in foreign
policy on the hill. and in the united states of america just repeated that assad has to leave. the president of the united states has said assad has to leave. if you watch our show, we talk about how our military is overextended, we need to bring our troops home and cut national defense. but at the same time do we not all agree that if our leaders have reached the point of saying that assad must leave that we have to figure out a way to get him out of power there so we can stop -- so the slaughtering of innocent people can stop? >> well, just in the last year, obviously, gadhafi just left. i was just over in libya and tunisia and egypt three weeks ago as they're all drafting new constitutions right now. i think that's putting a real pressure on syria. >> really quickly, explain --
we've got to go, but i want to really quickly for you to explain and senator kerry to quickly explain what's happened in egypt? the front-runners in the campaign, i guess the top 11 have been disqualified. what's going on there? >> well, the court over there is ruling very narrowly on who is qualified to run for the presidency of the country. >> right. >> and we should be a little bit humble because obviously it took us a while to draft our own constitution -- >> you're not too concerned about that? >> no, i am concerned because the muslim brotherhood is the controlling factor in the writing of this constitution. so we have to help egypt but also keep pressure on egypt so that they don't impose a level of repression, a lack of judicial oversight that makes it very difficult for this country to make a transition to a true democracy. >> senator, we have to go. final word to you about egypt.
>> well, final word is that whatever happens in egypt is really going to set a pattern for what can happen in the gulf and for the arab awakening over the next months. it's very, very dicey. but i still think it can be worked through and hopefully it will be. we've got to be engaged. our leadership is indispensable. and it's very important with respect to future conflict, with respect to the al qaeda presence in the arabian peninsula, all of this -- that's why it's important to americans because our security ultimately will be affected. can i just say i thought you guys were going to open the show with james earl jones and a great speech but talking about fenway park. this is a very exciting moment for all of us. you're lucky to be there. i'm going to be there by the afternoon. i'm jealous.
>> senator john kerry, we'll see you there this afternoon. see you right here. thanks for being on the show. >> thank you. >> coming up in a few minutes -- >> thank you so much. >> looking to bring in the baseball commissioner, bob selig. and up next, senator john thune. keep it right here on "morning joe" live from fenway park. four walls and a roof is a structure. what's inside is a home. home protector plus from liberty mutual insurance, where the cost to both repair your house and replace what's inside are covered. so your life can settle right back into place.
that was amazing game though. bottom of the eighth, tied up 6-6. it went to 12. bottom of the 12th in stepped carlton, old pudge. he steps up to the plate. he's got that weird stance. he clocks it. highball left field line. 35,000 people on their feets. yelling at the ball. he's waving at the ball like a madman. get over. get over. and then it hits the foul pole. he goes ape and 35,000 fans charge the field. >> yeah. >> get out of the way. get out of the way. >> like everybody here, i remember that night. oh, boy. >> you know, mike, i was just talking to ed markey. and this is the incredible thing about this cathedral. he turns around and he's about to walk off and congress markey looks up and he points to seats right behind us up in section
104. said my dad took me there when i was 10 years old. i sat next to my father. and i watched ted williams play against mickey mantel. it was one of the great moments in my life. every one of us i can point over there and talk about the '99 all star game. and if i live to be 100, when i look up there i will remember little joe scarborough and myself come out on the field. you know it sounds corny, but james earl jones' speech in field of dreams -- >> yeah. yeah. >> it lives here. baseball is the one constant through time. and fenway, for people in new england, is a constant that links generation to generation to generation. >> yeah. fenway park is unique. other ballparks obviously have their own charms. but this ballpark is unique. one thing about this park and perhaps other parks too that remains the same in the minds'
eye when you come up one of these ramps whether it's a night game or day game and you see the green of the field and the wall splendid in the sunshine or under the nights at light, that stays with you forever. and whoever you're with, your son, your brother, your father, that stays with you forever. >> i remember right after getting elected to congress driving up capitol hill and looking at the dome at night. we have john thune, a good friend from congress, great to see you, john. >> thank you, joe. >> and i remember seeing the capitol dome and just how breathtaking it was. and all these years later as cynical as i've become about washington in many ways, i still look up and it still takes my breath away. fenway's the same. >> is this your first time here? >> it is. i've been to dodgers stadium, old yankees stadium, but i never had the chance to come to fenway. i said i got to get on the show, man. it's awesome. >> you pulled some strings.
>> well, you know, i remember i was a 14-year-old kid in '75 and i remember watching that series between the reds and the red sox. the carlton fis k blast over the big green monster and fred. that was just a great team. there is so much about this ballpark -- >> jim rice. >> yeah. jim rice was a great player. that was an awesome team. that was such a good team you hated to see them go through their careers without winning a title. it was nice to see them eventually in 2004 get it done. >> we talked to scott brown off camera. we were just walking around the field and he said, you know, the thing i love about john thune is he's conservative, but he's not an idea log. and john's one of those guys where there are a group of us that can work with democrats k sit down and talk to moderate democrats and still try to get things done in the senate. the senate -- this is the least productive senate in 20 years.
historically it is. but there are still senators on both sides working hard to try to get things done. >> and i think this is an election year. so as you know it's a very polarized atmosphere right now. when this is all said and done, we're going to have to figure out a way to come together because the problems are too big. i think there are good people on both sides of the aisle who recognize that. i hope for the good of the country -- >> you have to come together because in the lame duck session there's about five different cataclysmic things that will happen at once. bush tax cuts, sequesters, debt ceiling will have to be raised. how does any one of those alone get done in an atmosphere like this? >> those are all huge issues, sam. the train wreck hits all at the same time. >> yeah, it's going to be fun. >> yeah. >> for us. >> great fire. but i think in a lot of ways part of it will be shaped too by what happens in the election. there are several different scenari scenarios. do you get a second obama term, does romney win, i mean all
these different formuations can happen in that election are going to shape how that debate plays out with regard to taxes and spending. one thing is clear, we've got to deal with the issue of entitlement spending. we have to deal with the issue of tax reform. i think both sides agree with that. the question is going to be the details. >> just a quick follow-up. ken conrad is taking the step where he's basically going to introduce what is sort of a variation but similar to simpson proposal and it's not getting the type of reception you would think considering all the nice things said about the proposal. >> yeah. both sides. >> what gives? why can this proposal that everyone says is sort of the common sense middle ground for both parties, why all the sudden is not willing to touch with a tone-foot pole? >> i think it's timing. and i think it's going to take a presidential leadership. you're going to have to have a president that's leaning in. i think there are people on both sides. bull simpson is a couple years old. the baseline's changed a little bit. but the particulars of it there was a lot of support on both
sides. you get into fine points of the details and obviously we would love to have an opportunity to amend it, improve it and make it stronger, but there's a good body of work we can use as a foundation. >> what do you think of mitt romney with his ability to lean in and get things done? do you have conviction about him as he looks like the nominee? >> i do on the fundamental issue i think most americans care about the economy and jobs. >> why is that? >> i think it's experience. having a conservative businessman coming in at a time when the country is looking for that kind of leadership is really important. and i think the president to be fair inherited a bad economy, but his policies since he's been in office have made it worse. and i think most people recognize that their economic state has not improved in the last couple years. >> conservative businessman who passed health care reform in his state. >> he did things at the state level because he thinks that where things ought to happen. i think he's made it clear if elected president --
>> john thune, we've allowed you to come to fenway park on the 100th anniversary of this cathedral in baseball. if mitt romney picks you as vice president. >> yeah. >> will you let us come backstage and hang out with you before you get your -- >> absolutely. >> okay. we got it on camera right here. >> because i know that's not going to happen. >> are you still working out? remember when you broke the chair? >> oh, he did. >> it was like -- >> the incredible hulk. >> we were sitting in the chair in his office and he went like this and he was talking and he just went -- and the chair broke. >> i told these guys it was staged for them. designed to make senators feel powerful. >> yes. it was very powerful. >> all right. let's go to willie geist right now. >> where is willie? he keeps sneaking off. >> you see how good these seats are? you know whose seats these are? these are mike barnicle's.
>> oh, i got to ask him to get in here for god sake. and the president of the boston red sox. how could you let mike sit this close? >> he had a lot of seniority. we tried to move him a couple times. >> he pointed out today he was here for the first game in 1912. >> you have a really unique distinction. you're the only guy that saw the first game and now 100 years later -- >> he did. all right. we'll be back with the commissioner, bud selig, also larry lucchino. ♪
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okay. welcome back to "morning joe" live at fenway park. look how beautiful it is. we still can't believe we're here. with us now the commissioner of major league baseball, bud selig. and the president and ceo of the red sox, larry lucchino. larry, i would like to ask, can i have barnicle's seats. >> mike, it's okay. we have some other seats for you. >> i'm sure you do. >> if i can interject, i'll make a baseball ruling, you just lost your seat. >> commissioner. [ laughter ] >> all mighty commissioner took my seats. you can have some seats in the bleachers. >> do you promise? >> yes. >> make hank aaron play in 1973, bud selig can kick you out of the seats.
>> he's transformed the game. >> let's talk, first of all, larry, thank you so much for having us here. >> proud to have. >> it's got to be a moment of great pride for you. >> it is. it's a civic celebration. not just the red sox celebration or a boston celebration, the commissioner's here. this is a baseball wide celebration. >> it's huge. >> it's very big. not just for us and the red sox but the fan base. they've been loyal and passionate for years and years. so let's celebrate that. >> and mr. commissioner, we owe you as red sox fans we owe you a great debt of thanks because back in 1999 when they came here for the all-star game, i heard jack kills tearing art the park. people protect fenway and protect the tradition and make sure a day like this would come along. >> if i can say this i said it last night and say it again this morning, this is a celebration of baseball. it's great for boston.
wonderful for the red sox. historic franchise. but this is something that baseball can give you that nothing else can. an institution that survives for a hundred years, as a kid coming back here in the '40s as mike knows, you drive to fenway this morning, looks like fenway. it's the same ballpark. there's something great. and that's what makes baseball so wonderfully unique. >> well, you know the commissioner's absolutely right. when you think about the life we live today, it's so fast-paced with google and texting and everything like that, people change jobs, they move away from their homes, they move to different states, divorce is quite high in this country, and yet you come around the corner, come up across the bridge and brookline avenue and this ballpark is the same as it was 100 years ago obviously with quarter of a billion in refirm
but the sense of permanence is no longer the thread through our live. >> larry, i got a sense of your connection in fenway. we came here my 40th birthday, my first baseball game, came here and this guy comes up to me and introduces himself and says he wants to give me a tour. had a story at every seat practically. i didn't know who you were. >> mika said i think the guy that runs ground crews just walked me around the stadium. it was pretty neat. >> she found a great way to be introduced to the game. >> exactly. >> the seal of the convert. we love that. >> it was wonderful. >> but you're right, there are different parts of the ballpark and different personalities in the ballpark. people in the park that give it some of its soul and personality. >> it has soul. >> the ballpark has a real personality. it does more than most stadiums or other kinds of public facilities. >> mr. commissioner, let's talk about the state of baseball. how's it doing? >> really, it's more popular
today, joe, than ever before. i'm very reluctant to say this because something might happen this afternoon. but we're really controversial free. we have labor peace for 21 years, which you never thought. gross revenue at an all-time high. the last eight years have been the biggest eight years in baseball history. and the last five years are certainly that. we're off to a tremendous start this year. attendance running about 40%. when the focus is on the field, this sport is so good. i really feel good about this year. i think one of the great race in every division. >> willie. >> mr. commissioner, the league is so much better as well when there's a good and healthy team in los angeles as there is right now. the dodgers are out of the gate quickly. they have the best record in the national league. and we finally have put this long national nightmare behind us. and you've got a guy like magic
johnson, a great baseball guy like stan caston, looks like thing haves now turned the corner in los angeles. >> you're right, willie. it's been a very difficult year. i've spent an enormous amount of time with larry and mike. but april 30th we should close this deal. it's a great franchise. you know, you have the red sox, yankees, dodgers, cubs, all the franchises are doing well. but you know when you have franchises and those kind of markets, they need to be competitive. the situation now was difficult last year, but it will turn dramatically. >> you know, we've been talking about the sense of permanence and conversational aspect of going to a baseball game. and i would just ask the commissioner in terms of baseball and your life, tell us about the first time you came to fenway park. >> 1949. my mother had taken me to new york for my 15th birthday. and i was a yankee fan then by
the way. i was young -- >> young and foolish. >> i don't want to say that. but, anyway, i went to yankees stadium, i went to the polo grounds. but she brought me to boston, wanted me to go to art museums and things. which i'm happy to do. but of course we were going to come to fenway park. we came here, walked up to the ticket window, she said two tickets, sold out, bang, the window went down. she said you can't do that. i brought my son here from milwauk milwaukee. and that was the end of the story. we couldn't get in. we walked around fenway park. 30 years later i -- willie, my milwaukee club was here to play boston. the only thing i said to her, it's a little different from 1949. >> larry, can you talk about because peter gammons said earlier that the yankees always had the stars, but boston had the ballpark. and there's a permanence, stars come and go, the ballpark stays.
you've started something at camden yards in baltimore that other parks have picked up. it seems like everybody else has figured out what you figured out first in baltimore, you have to build cathedrals to baseball. >> the commissioner said it earlier, baseball is unique. baseball is different. the ballparks matter. the ballparks have a personality. they're not just concrete donuts that can be in any city. >> unless we're talking about the new yankees stadium. >> exactly. >> by the way, willie supported himself very well. >> he has. >> the red sox appreciate the maturity you've shown. >> i'm going to make him a convert. >> i think that's -- >> i never give up. >> well -- >> give up. >> yeah. i would find another target. but, no, we knew we had a good idea about going back to traditional old fashioned ballparks in baltimore. what we didn't know is that
baseball would embrace it so much and take it to other places. since the commissioner has been in office, there have been something like 18 or 20 -- >> 21. >> 21 new ballparks built. we're proud to say camden yards was the beginning of the movement. >> gentlemen, thank you so much. larry lucchino and bud selig. coming up next, actor and comedian lenny clark is here. keep it here on "morning joe" live from fenway park. ♪
without the stuff that we make here, you wouldn't be able to walk in your house and flip on your lights. [ brad ] at ge we build turbines that power the world. they go into power plants which take some form of energy, harness it, and turn it into more efficient electricity. [ ron ] when i was a kid i wanted to work with my hands, that was my thing. i really enjoy building turbines. it's nice to know that what you're building is gonna do something for the world. when people think of ge, they typically don't think about beer. a lot of people may not realize that the power needed to keep their budweiser cold and even to make their beer comes from turbines made right here. wait, so you guys make the beer? no, we make the power that makes the beer. so without you there'd be no bud? that's right. well, we like you. [ laughter ] ♪
willie's bringing us in. >> all righty. >> welcome back to "morning joe" live this morning from fenway park. we're celebrating the 100th anniversary. joining us now, actor, comedian and no question about it boston, massachusetts, man. lenny clarke. good to see you. >> hi, lenny. >> good to see you. go do the third base side. >> he did get us there. >> you know, you've talked about the ownership today and how great they've been. one of the best grounds keepers in the business. >> no question. >> my birthday a few years ago john said anyone in the organization i said the grounds keeper he said are you kidding, i said no. i had him to my house. my lawn looked like fenway park. >> i just talked to him.
he's got a book out to teach you how to mow your yard like the major league ballparks. >> seven books he's written. the big thing is when i was a kid -- >> little obsessive. >> joe wouldn't let anybody in the park. he wouldn't even let you in. get out. this guy and management lets you on. in 1967 i snuck into 44 games here. and at the end they had my picture up don't let this guy in. i ran from left field wall and i landed on my butt so hard it knocked my wind out of me. i called to the pitching mound and got the resin bag. >> you used the ball? >> oh, yeah. he said to say hi to you. i saw you on espn crawling on to the mound. >> what's it like being a red sox fan? talk about the special pain and
agony. >> it's horrible. no. when i did the movie they said there's a line don't do it, it will break your heart. when we finally won, it was like it stopped raining and clouds and it was beautiful. and we won again. but the point is we did it. and i mean ever since i was a kid i remember sitting in the kitchen with my mother late at night listening to the west coast games on the radio. it's been bred in me since i was a little boy. >> it's so funny. mike and i are suffering through september last year, dennis comes on and said how tough -- we won. i'm done. we won twice. everything else is great. >> yeah. can't get too greedy. >> how long is the grace period? >> another six -- >> two months. >> it's over, lenny. >> it's over. >> ask bobby valentine. what do you think about bobby valentine going after yuk?
>> i like yuke. i don't know bobby that well. away. away. for god sakes it's my -- >> oh, joe. >> no, you're not allowed on the grass. oh, no. >> you're killing me. >> go ahead, lenny. >> you can do anything you want. you're dressed right. pretty impressive. and then the right outfit on and you can do whatever you want. >> okay. i thought maybe they'd tackle me. >> no. >> okay. >> we're getting you one of these bats, cape cod bat company. >> oh my goodness. thank you cape cod bat company. >> lenny, give us your favorite memory as a red sox fan of fenway park. >> it would be getting jim's rosin bag. >> is '67 the most special to you?
>> sitting next to you was great. that was pretty awesome. flying with jimmy and his private jet to see them clinch the world series game four. >> from somerville, massachusetts, the huge star. >> lenny clarke, thank you very much. you all are not right. that's all i'm going to say. >> nice to see scott. >> we'll be right back live from fenway park.
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welcome back, kids. time to talk about what we learned today. mike, this is a special one. look at this. >> just sick. >> incredible. >> what did you learn today? >> i learned the weather was much better than it was when i was here 100 years ago. >> what did you learn, senator? >> i learned everybody in boston knows mike barnicle. >> you learned that the first time -- peter gammons hall of famer. >> should know more about red sox history than i ever could have imagined. >> yeah. >> being from alabama like hay wood sullivan. >> the most painful moment of my line when calvin walked out of game seven in 1986.
larry lucchino, thank you so much for having us here. a great host. and what an unbelievable moment not only for boston baseball but major league baseball. >> thank you, joe. it was great having you guys here. what did i learn from you guys today? i think i learned there's great versatility at your show and even willie geist can be -- >> once in a while. once in a blue moon. doris, what does this mean 100 years fenway. >> history at its best. telling stories about people who lived before and the stories of all of us and the people in this park. thank god you saved this park. it allows us to keep history alive. it's fabulous. >> and the greatest grounds keeper in baseball, dave miller. >> thank you for coming. thank you. i learned that everyone on "morning joe" is absolute pleasure to work with. thank you for coming. >> obviously didn't work with t.j., our director. willie, what did you learn? >> i learned it's been a privilege to be here. all the romance and nos