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dot com wealthy british style. margetts weiner scandal. find out what's really happening to the global economy is cause a report on r g. seven thirty pm on friday here in moscow you are without seeing the headlines now the publisher of a finnish place the website which supports an internationally wanted terrorists goes on trial for helping chechens enter finland illegally however the countries all thought he's continue to turn a blind eye to his links with extremism. the actions of nato in libya should return to a prophetic level after going beyond the limits of the un resolution this coming from
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the russian foreign minister sort of laugh it off at the summit and with the alliance and just hours ago. the global financial system must be overhauled to prevent a future disasters so says the russian president at the start of an economic meeting in china the asian dogs. and my colleague bill go to be here in half an hour's time but for now it's our debate show crystal and it's time host people in his guests talk about the future of the ivory coast and the turbulent transition of power that you were not. ok to. start. with. the involve in the past argument about another legal intervention approved by the un now in ivory coast the former leader is and seated at the
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expense of hundreds of civilian dead while the country's new leader be any different or will the west hold him clean his image up is fast as he got rid of his predecessor. ok. still. to discuss the turmoil in ivory coast i'm joined by now log ok he's in washington he's a political analyst and founder of africa diplomacy dot com in paris we go to france war and didn't we he is the founder of the african advisory board and in london we have johnson he is the founder and director of viewpoint africa for a gentleman this is crosstalk i mean you can jump anytime you want but first let's have a quick look at what has been happening in the ivory coast over the last four months . decisive action and immediate results france's military helped transform a calling i recognized this into a comparison just to start a country with one thousand four hundred french troops we're told over and signage
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to overthrow its longstanding leader refused to accept defeat in the last presidential elections the sayings of his fall are right conduct for the whole of the african bugs and smoke in the hands of the desperate sufferings the sound i've already asked for others this is nothing less than a cruel and it's imposing outside their well i warrant are still divided over this shift of power and your president officially won the elections our son ouattara is making promises. our country has turned a painful page in its history. after more than four months of post electoral crisis march my so many lives lost we are finally at the dawn of a new era of hope. the friends clearly picked a side in their power and conflict it doesn't want to miss in a stakeholder and invader backed by the united nations its claims its soldiers stopped at the gates of the presidential palace and left
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a final battle for over iran's no matter what it is called a smart intervention or just a small french contribution it can be used as a selling point for further western military interventions in the simple trouble for cross talk r.t. . can a gentleman like to go to washington first of what we heard in the report was it a smart intervention on the part of the french and united nations smart intervention or neocolonialism. thank you very much i. return now for me to be on this show and i think that what you do you know thank you for all your good work you do in. your new colonialism and when i was given the opportunity to talk about a crisis in the country. by what was going on the country i have denounced and their colonial is and many many and immensely media you know want to talk about that this is not the first round france. done that in the country they did that in
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two thousand and four when they destroyed the i wouldn't as air force on the ground killed sixty nine i was young and wounded what not going to one thousand people they wanted to overthrow the president in two thousand and four they did not succeed you know succeed this time and they did and of course it is beer in your opinion is ok for going to london iow what do you think about that i mean it's very nihilistic on the part of the french and the west in general this is not the first intervention we've seen an eye in the ivory coast and a whole lot whole list of other countries in the region and we might want to talk a little bit about libya later go ahead. absolutely i think the intervention by the west has always been their game plan usually if they've got need for regime change or if there's more something more persons in terms of resources location or land grabbing but nonetheless i think in this particular instance i think the french
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were very very keen and eager to get into the game play and i think it's a mistake because it sends the wrong signals that especially when they supported mr walker are very heavily that mr ouattara as a country and governance moving forward will be tainted to an extent by the fact that he is a supporter of the west he is controlled and he will deal with the west far kindly than any other leader would otherwise do better i think mr blago found himself in a lot of trouble going as far back as two thousand when he came into power not to mention in two thousand and two when he refused to get mr ouattara to engage in the political machine in that country and of course the subsequent civil war that we had did not play in his favor more so most recently when he had the elections which were otherwise certified by international commission that he did lose i think the writing was on the wall and the rest is history so i think for all the intentions of the the french taking part in this equation and supporting mr ouattara and
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getting involved in the politics i think it's for the right reasons i mean to send a signal to mr gbagbo that he lost the election b. that is controversial because mr wagner was said all right that he won those elections france why in paris what do you think about that because water is being called the bretton woods candidate and he used to be a functionary over at the i.m.f. so he does very much look like the west's man there and now insulted him a gentleman because have a french wife on top of that i mean is he really again a fine himself with the ivorian people because that's one of the problems that the country has there's a lot of ethnic strife religious strife i mean a lot of divisions is he the right guy to be overcome those divisions in this country. these would be people of course. but regarding what happened the way the this conflict have been concluded by military intervention i think that this is something that is disastrous even we have to
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start with law or continue with law and finish with love and when we talk of law we have text and we have passions this french and the u.n. intervention was based on the reservation nine hundred seventy five. no place and no progress in this intervention do you see any justification of a massive attack as the military attack of the one you have on the contrary in point number two this resolution said that. told of all the parties to continue to try to find a political solution here and this is resolution even praise the african union decision to appoint a special a special envoy to solve this issue. this special envoy has been exonerated it was the minister for no great to of a couple very good but mr what president but were accepted by the ouattara camps
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refused this gone so it was possible to continue to find another special envoy to try to find a political solution to this so i think serving a problem the this way is a disaster is a disaster because you you have refused because when you act like this you refuse the voice of the people you have instead of the electorate the electoral process you choose the military process so we no longer in the logic of the voice of the people through elections this means that people are being frustrated and these are the if mr what are start other president if you have a very difficult. ok i do go back on who's going to do what i do go to washington because i think you bring up a very good point here i mean international media goes a really bad guy and maybe is ok but he is the new president the sitting president now is he any better be it a meaning does he have any less blood on his hands when it comes to get this
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conflict because it seems to me it's very one sided there's a good guy and there's a bad guy but it looks like a little bit the two main players have a lot of blood on their hands are they going to be both held accountable. hello yes thank you very much when i i was talking to democrats in our i said that in ivory coast it was not a matter of one person being a hero and the other one being a villain or one be an engine another one being a team on both tragic heroes this is what i said on the most pressing now and i listen grandma. i think i can even tell that he has more blood on his hand than bubble because came to power through peaceful means so when and then he became president of course there was a moments of repression and then there were some you know some people are killed by us forces which i have denounced but alas i want to know what they were created the
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rebellion in ivory coast in two thousand to split the country in two and then when the international community said that is the winner of the election which can be disputed because when you're president of the electoral commission in the us that the prosecution read in the second round was eighty one percent that could not be possible because of our critical sources said that because mr rubin who goes beyond seventy percent so now when they like france are said in paris when they were trying to find that this resolution to the conflict now the united nations do you with friends have given a green light to our summer know what are they really got all fancy another two are packed it in the army of the ivory coast and kill innocent people i mean it's the billions as mistake it was even reported this morning by a french newspaper there are certain people and they killing supporters everywhere in abidjan in some people in that wasn't part of the country so of course the last
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article is qualified to talk about hope and change and then that and then this in ivory coast this is not only the us i'm going to you but i mean the new president now he has french military backing ok i mean he has a free hand right now doesn't he i can you know this whole neocolonialism card is in play you can only lead a country when you have powerful western that backers and what does he have to give up to keep that support. well that's what is the price he who pays the piper calls that you're absolutely spot on but i think the intervention is wrong but i personally think that mr ouattara has his work cut out because he's got to find a mechanism to support the entire country until the country starts operating as one on how he galvanises the people in the south how he got a nice as they use on offer and ploy when training and such suit side identify with it as far as racial needs remains to be seen with a schedule of doing so and he's going to need all the support he can have internationally and very much so from the french and the international community
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and otherwise what you will find over time is that you have a tiny rebellion against starting in the south building up to outstay him in the future so to avoid that and i think the international community the french i have got to support mr ouattara he clearly is the man of the flavor of the season at the moment what's above and beyond that the mr ouattara has to find a mechanism as to how we can unite the country how we can disarm the thousands of ammunition is out there lots of people who have guns how are you going to make those streets safe how are you going to encourage people who have left the country to come back and i think the international community have to jump in here a little talk about the end game later even achieve the reason actually after the break we'll continue our discussion on the ivory coast state. and. still.
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they come in thousands. still long to play which suggests the other just wants to take her spirits. but she is the diva of the river. city is no fun in her best mood celia. chasing adrenaline on our tastes. of. space is the backbone of our national security there is no substitute and there is no alternative to military dominance in space. bombs on target
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a good time balance such will bow in the truly are able to deliver through space ship claims. to better. company crammed down the film have to cook our current place and we must. be. several hundred. years of investment in the peaceful uses of body space. obviously incredible investment from the united states and from the european union in canada other countries like business all of this stuff is completely in jeopardy if we start putting weapons in outer space.
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well coming. to mind you were talking about the ivory coast intervention. ok if i go back to france one in paris one of the biggest problems with these interventions as of late libya or maybe even afghanistan and we can look at iraq is the and again now has anybody smart people that planned this military event with their bleeding hearts thought about the end game what comes next year are we going to have a fair trial for the deposed or is it just going to be winner take all yes this is
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a very and interesting question because this is this kind of an idea of what the people who planned this operation think what we should try as much as possible to remain neutral here and to look at the reality on the facts and the question here is not to to come out or to measure who has no blood on his hand whether what our or or or or by the book we have an electoral process and then after that we have an electoral disputes motto was hard to solve this electorate disputes and again you have to go back to the text. was a sovereign country with a constitution what did the constitution say because he said that it is up to the constitution our courts to decide who was the winner. but the constitutional court had decided that the who was the winner but in fact given all the things that we
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use decision in life in life in my in my view was not fair this isn't and i think this is where the biggest mistake on the decision of the constitutional court was not fair because of many things because of it's know it would be very wrong to to explain here but at least people who have concerns reconsider this decision and the african advisory board we have proposed a way to solve this problem which we could have started first but by undoing this decision and try to see all the claims of the book ok so fresh on a major pain here let me ask you this is the lead up here i think this is important or ok go ahead quickly there's a very important. yes not only. was she going to jump in go ahead going yes ok yes you know like he said if he's going to be too long throughout the conversation about the. results my point is that our son don't know what that
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is perceived and it is true. and he did and his perceived as their fresh governor in the country and his best leave as somebody always no sense to see you know to to the to the. cry of many. big and many are leaving people out for my guys and then when you you allow your you know your your forces you know to be good and if you want to think that your results they were way way way way way through this forty six percent of the country house of the country not like the way that we're and his wife i've been in media when you do that and you come and talk about the recall situation is going to be difficult second being if you will. be received from friends and the united states and the international community there is no way i have something i want that our is going to dry and what the needs of the people in the country because the first interest that the
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international community and second is one of the person who believes that you know you can you know you can say. you know to get where you need to go and alexander and i what are you as is sold to the devil so there is no way you can really be elected president was good to take over because of the next level ok in london i like to go to you one of the things in researching this program i find it remarkable how many times internationally recognized president ok and he says it is the outside community and we all know when the international community means it means western europe and united states that's the international community when we hear about public opinion and it was almost as if there was a drumbeat here is that the west indies are just term and what the outcome was going to be in ivory coast and then they found finally their tool to do it in their favorite one is military and intervention and i wrong about that. yes to an extent
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it's the mindset this this is the battle of hearts and minds and the west has got to understand that if they go in premature if it go into countries and get involved in politics i cannot understand if they fail to understand cultural and tribal mixes and how that integrates on the ground itself then you can find that they can have similar situations what we find in afghanistan and iraq and most recently that's all of somalia out of course now we're seeing similar situations with libya so it's a lack of preparation lack of foresight and the lack of from the standing and very not so they could get so wrong and they do not seem to be learning from the lessons i think the united states has learned because this is why in in libya especially they decided not to take before the moral high ground and and push the company forward as they usually do in other countries while taking a back seat because mistakes can happen and the longer that these conflicts go on the longer they do not find a solution and some of this crisis the more likely can make mistakes and the more
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likely public opinion can change on you and very much his back to his house in lines how you maintain the status quo locally with the population how you maintain the coalition itself and very much on how you maintain international consensus and limited that starts to change then the whole thing starts on rumbling and there are risks when you get into the sort of mindset and how when you get involved in other people's. machinery and was so if thankfully in this particular instance in ivory coast a quarter of what we did not find that to be the situation what interim aims to be seen how and locally whether mr ouattara can be embraced how the people in the south can support him and how very much so how will the country would move forward so i think only time will tell ok and i think i'd like to ask all three of you the same question and i go to washington first what message is this interventionist military intervention into ivory coast telling other leaders in the region i'm thinking about members of the african union through north african arab north africa
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and beyond i mean where are we just going to have to get used to more and more interventions i mean it seems to be the flavor of the time if we go to washington first on that. thank you dear i'm going to approach you to you know to say that obama sarkozy and the international community they have lagged behind site. and force a new crisis may allow any military offensive in the country and second we know that. the dictators. have africa for many years i can talk about their first visit of ivory corso for one year i can talk about the new cleans the well we can talk about a rule for almost forty years in togo all of those leaders where backed by due west france in the us and then of course are that some people were not going to get did not intervene in order to restore the go classy and now your secretary
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of state of the united states of hillary clinton said at a do over to send a clear message to the world i think she was wrong because there are millions of africans who sent but that has. and will still remember african heroes who are tried and are there to defend our african serenity in africa nationalism would believe it in a pan african idea and who are tired of the nuclear is them in africa and who are tired after french interference in african affairs so those people that don't have this and understanding of. people see as our. leader is trying to promote new colonialism because if they want to they want to talk about democracy they can go to get us to where the president of their country one of the they do best people you can have in africa cannot sankara and it was in
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power for more than twenty years and it was been creating where's it really really where in liberia in sierra leone and now in ivory coast so these are the people that should go out of course they will not do they're not going to do that. because these are their property they want to out to sea and i believe that african nations france who are hungry in paris what do you think how do you reflect upon that because it still looks like there's going to be an element within the political establishment of african countries that always look for the west to get them in power to choose them as their new dictator or a new friend in a particular country and in the region in general it's still a bad habit that hasn't been broken yes yes you were talking about the messages what will this what messages come from this. military intervention i think i see all the negative messages the first one is that he said of solving the problem through a legal process through a political process the so-called international community france and the us
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prefer the military option the military option is destructive secondly this is a foreign intervention in africa we no longer need this if the limits have been solved by african african soldiers fighting each gams we don't need a foreign interventions you have because you have the african union these are these is an african problem that should have been sold by africans this program is not happening. in argentina or. so it's enough we can problems i don't know why french or not all these foreign forces could intervent thirdly one is comes to two distinct we see what's what's what is the outcome not. president if you consider the prison situation. let's say a president. somewhat as a president contrary to my brother from washington i don't have any any clue
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against suppose he's a president i don't have any clue of the prison watada suppose he's the president one would he be integrated under what's what's your constitutional test you see when you were a precedent you had the people who just people come out of the from the town by millions and the groove you believe is based on the constitution that said you you are elected this military intervention has created something unprecedented in cote d'ivoire you have a president we don't really know exactly who has elected him because this could have been solved if you have a good possible to see what is the voice of the people of god before i turn on the man as you've been here every time we could have gone along a lot longer i'm sure many thanks to my guest today in paris london and in washington and thanks to our viewers for watching us here on archy see you next time remember across talk means.
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