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jason derulo is back with a vengeance i thought i should have been famous when i was eight months what's wrong with these people ninety five percent of people who sustained the same injury and up paralyzed or worse so what saved you got saved plus what's it been like in your life to make a lot of money so you started off awesome but it also brings a lot a lot of turmoil in life all next on larry king now. while going to larry king our special guest jason derulo the singer songwriter and
dancer he has scored six top ten billboard singles ranking him third all time amongst mailbox his reason singles the other side in marrying me taking the world by storm his know is the album tattoos is out now is it a self pirating album tattoos no you know it's tattoos are much like our life experiences and saying that you know they they stick with us for the rest of our lives you know you know with my neck injury and everything experience like that will be with me for the rest of my life and this album is made up of my life experiences so it's autobiographical. it's your third studio album you've just turned twenty four right yeah what was what made it for you how did it start. i started off as a songwriter actually asked to write songs when i was eight years old and. i was just kind of trying to work my way up in miami in this in it's rough you know trying to work with these different producers. because they you know don't really
want to work with a new name you know that your old. yes saw you last i was really trying to you know put a demo here demo there but it was hard to make a demo because nobody really wanted to work so i posed as a songwriter saying that i would write for this person and that person if they would allow me to come in the studio and it worked and oddly enough the song started to get placed though the song yes was you know writing songs for you know a little wayne and dedicate think i see people at all sorts of artists and. then the rest was history sixteen was when i got my first writing place and it would be if you have to sing for us on monday it's almost like you were going to record you yeah so jr rotem flew me out to l.a. he wanted to sign me as a songwriter to his publishing company and when i got there you know we did last six or seven songs that evening and i mean he was he was shocked you know he was surprised he was like why aren't you an artist why don't you wanna be an artist and like i do want to be an artist that was the whole play and you know the rest was
history do you still write for others i still do. so what determines whether you will sing the song or you'll write this for someone else depends on how good it is you know i give everybody just excess and every song is not for everybody so you know there's a there's a lot of songs that. though you know it comes comes from my heart my brain will fit somebody else like a glove and it doesn't necessarily fit my. my image you write for female performers too i do absolutely cassie was actually one of them one of the first of people that i root for and. i was kind of interesting seven to release but yeah you know i did some stuff with what we're trying to get on shares new project and you know stuff like that if you want to go online to american idol or whatever road shows or you know you you hit it before that. yeah i did want to go on american
idol. par you know it was just by any means necessary i mean i would have done anything you know there is just the writing thing kind of took off first and you know i always saw a light somewhere you know there was always something that was like oh my god if you maybe if you meet this person you know he'll he'll see something already for me this this person and i met so many people you know so it was in this you know you're album was released as an extended play right this one is actually an e.p. and album is coming out in like three months what did why is it n.e.p. first i want to do things a little differently. this time around i wanted to give people a taste before you know they've got the whole thing so i'm actually releasing three singles first before release the whole album tell me what happened in the accident . for those who don't know i fractured my c two vertebrae since the break hard neck and basically prepare for my world tour man i mean i was you know doing all these
acrobatics as i do and a simple back talk you know which i you know done a million times i slipped and i landed on my head acrobatics a part of your act yeah you know you're moving to move absolutely jumper a dance hardcore was a tame. when you hit the when you hit the ground it was crazy probably the most pain i've ever felt in my life. now if you break it make you could die and break. the whole the whole thing actually i think ninety five percent of people who sustained the same injury end up paralyzed or worse so what saved you got saved and why did why weren't you just one of the one of the doctors do this just inches away you know i mean if you could have gone or inch. to the left or in more to the right you know that could have been it was surgery required surgery was not required just seven months in a neck brace and a year total recovery
a long hospital was just a couple weeks really in the neck brace that you had to keep still you could more correct. that where you lived or not not the way i like to work i actually started working a little too soon you know because the studio is always been my life making music has always been my life so i went to the studio probably you know about three weeks after my injury you know which was too soon you know someone mover so like when i'm recording music i can't help but to you know kind of move but our yeah you know music in a way saved my life as well you know it kept me sane throughout that period and you one hundred percent now on the pursuit is equally total absolute now you're touring in europe that spring why europe why not here actually i'm doing a world tour so it's starts in europe but we go to japan we go to australia new zealand. and you know we're still routing it so you have you danced or jumped on
a stage absolutely yeah it's it's been about a year and a half now so you know everything is back to where everything's all good i think i actually do a little more now than i did and you not worry about not know this and if it. undefeated do you do the same flip that you did when you brought that out when i would do how many. good. you are dating jordan sparks right yeah i get me a gauged you know when the time is right you know everything is seems to be going on amazing also you know she won on american idol. six to meet we actually met her and her mom came to one of my concerts in phoenix about four years ago and . she you know she came by and you know after the show you know we hung out a little bit stayed friends you know acquaintances say hello here and there but it wasn't until two years ago we had
a show of the homeless together where things kind of changed so that the it wasn't love at first sight wasn't bam flares going all night definitely not you know things totally took a turn around in the bahamas you know i looked at it. probably more right yeah you should do or as a friend right definitely why would you saw open about this because the two of you are in the public eye so people like to stay private. i don't know how open we are to be like you know it's kind of hard to be private and the life that you know we live in mean everything is pretty much out in the open but you know i don't really mind you know. professing my love to him you see she's an amazing you were an athlete you play basketball right father played me and i fell right yeah so i mean you see a full life with her i mean you play your young twenty four yeah well he she's twenty three yes i definitely see a full life i see her you know raising my kids and you know hopefully the law at
least as well. for your new single marry me features her in the video right in fact what we're going to do now is she a clip of the video that's what. beautiful girl thank you she's very good to see extremely talented are you going to perform together. yeah actually we have a song together called vertigo that is on the e.p. and people seem to really like you so in the past year you build a relationship with obama tell me about. basically you know just trying to get
obama care to everybody you know it was just sitting down with them and hearing his passion about making sure that everybody has has health care is was really inspiring to me and you know i said i would be down for the cause you know to help create this users and politics now. your singer i'm a singer you were a young best war player played high school right did you ever think boy i would have liked to try but. how good were you i was i was really really good i was for state championships in a row you know this school was top basketball school in the country and fourteen in the country actually at the time. yeah so it was a pretty tough school there so i mean the fact that i was starting on a team like that i was you know it was pretty hardcore but my coach said when i was leaving this would this was kind of hit me hard he was like i thought you were going to be the one to go pro you know. good. i think it's not about the
talent that i had as about software is always not like a crazy amazing athlete like i did like jumps it's just the work ethic you know i'm saying like somebody who has a specific kind of work ethic is just destined to do something great shootings are the point guard point guard. or you don't do i fed the ball you know i had a crazy jump shot at the time you know i'm on you know trying to get it back of the n.b.a. not as much as i used to but i'm pretty i think that's the kind. i see for the lakers really my only one and raise the lakers are going through a downslide you know what you know i have you know friends that you know are owners of that like your saw you know this family you have a beautiful voice and you had that as a young kid do we know when you were into news or i always thought i did. that i
should have been famous when i was eight what's wrong with these people. but yeah you know it's something that you know over the years. has been. since i was five years old you know i had this dream of being this before so it's something that i've you know been working on since i was that and describe the kind of music you like. i was i was the kid who kind of listened to everything when i went to perform in our school so i studied classical music i studied jazz music i studied rock and country and everything so i was really into everything and i had to study everything but on my i pod goes from elvis to like. newschool to chains to kanye west jay z. to. the lumineers you know so it's just really just because you have a kind of tenor voice though right you can hit pretty hard notes there and if you're with the dude singing you do sing broadway musical or it could i mean you could do everything i actually started off doing musical theater i went to college
for music of theater really and i landed on broadway on broadway and i turned it down because i knew that if i would have done that role i would have been locked in probably forever. did you like musical theater though love musical theater you know but that's not where my heart was i love writing music you know and if i did musical theater they would not allow me to express myself through an actor too i think i would yeah that's it his album cycle i think i'll try to dive when we go back jason will dish out on breaking into the music business that a ripe old age of sixteen don't click away. please please take a look very hard to take i. want to get on here there's a lot happening that are exactly what that hurt their feelings. about
please. please. please please. please. please please please please. please. please look at the people. big plastic. over going to do the job did you know the price is the only industry specifically mention of the constitution and. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy correct albus. in
fact the single biggest threat facing our nation today is the corporate takeover of our government and across the cynical we've been a hydrogen lying handful of transnational corporations that will profit by destroying what our founding fathers one school class i'm job market and on this show we reveal the big picture of what's actually going on in the world we go beyond identifying the problem trucks rational debate and a real discussion critical issues facing america five are you ready to join the movement then walk in the big picture. well that would be strawberry tell the jason derulo world tour coming tattoos is out now michael jackson had an effect on you right huge song the reason i started singing and dancing in the first place when asked by reason that i saw on television i was like mom wanted to be just like you you know so i was the kid in
the kitchen with the socks on top to slide and walk and all that so that's where it started what made him special. michael jackson it was almost as if he was not on this earth i mean nobody nobody moves like that nobody suits that much emotion on on a song i mean it was just. on on on earthly good dancer to incredible where we were in a dud. i was i was in a apartment. here in l.a. actually and. you know are actually remember watching your show. you know we did a whole show but yeah i've been watching your show a lot for hours and hours we did it we could do with every night we did mother action those in the credible shocking story really. shocking to the world you know
i mean you can see that in the impact i had i mean it was it was crazy or but you know it's just unfortunate i wish you would have seen that kind of outpouring you know when i was around you know it's a shame that we let our legends pass by without them seeing that you know before the good i knew frank sinatra very well you mentioned oldest in the you lived over was yeah and frank sinatra to do all the music the impact on you right. when i asked your opinion of some young goddess what you think the lord. like i think i think she's really different i like the fact that she brings a street edge to indy miley cyrus miley cyrus i think she's i think she's just taking the world must know she i get asked about. my stars in my interviews it's hard to know when somebody is doing really big when they start asking me all right miley cyrus's cool if you don't want to get justin bieber
justin bieber is also you know doing really well you know i remember justin bieber . and one of my first performance it was it was in tulsa oklahoma and i was just a little kid and i was you know in just rehearsing my dance my dance moves and whatnot it was like and how do you move like that now i want to move like there i was like you do this and you know just keep practicing and the thing i mean i don't think you know this kid was going to be the biggest thing in the world michael moore and ryan lewis. i really don't i read the whole album you know there's. only a select few people that i think can you know come with a record back to back to back and automatically. morris you know one of those people you know who i think can continue to sustain you know this level of artistry big sean based on i think he's go as well you know. one of the premiere
representative kendrick lamar could you come are one of the premiere representative all these people are good which i don't know but so you know. so about running again i guess. he's mcgill is actually one of the save use of of r. and b. music you know marmie was missing the four for a second and he brought it back. ellie goulding is the princess of great britain and she is the premier dance artist and your first single back in two thousand and nine was what just say that went to number one you shocked yeah. i actually wrote that song for someone else but i wrote it about my brother's experience you know him cheating on his girlfriend know what night it. i thought i would be a great song for that other person but they thought it was the moment sean kingston i don't know if you know who that person is i go to know who. i do some reason.
why i didn't get to shawn and things that he i guess is his label didn't think that it was a hit but it was a massive massive song five million sold so if he didn't if he had done it you wouldn't have done it exactly and i wouldn't had that big bang first and so that's the little breaks in show business yeah a little bit so now you're happy he didn't take it oh absolutely. i would have paid for it regardless but i mean you know this is what i've always wanted to do rob always wanted to be. the person delivered best what's it been like in your life to make a lot of money so. it's been. started off awesome started off very you know not being able to and i mean well i mean you want to buy me thing i want to not look at the price tag. but it also brings a lot a lot of turmoil in life and i. just feel in the wrath of it now more so than not.
you will handle the financial people handling it yeah definitely yeah but you know it just you know more money you get more and more problems. you know we were poor kid i wasn't poor a group middle class so you know i was in and i was in like mom can have a pair of jordans and she was like yes no it was like no you can't get those hundred dollars shoes not no not at all but like we never were worried about where our next idea was to my dad social security work so security and immigration so what was this and so you grew up a good middle class here and what's your brother my brother works with me my brother i'm always in production with me are you always writing songs no i'm a studio right i like to be in a studio because i don't really like writing on paper i like just going off of whatever it is you know i'm on with whatever is in the heart of the whole for me
right. when i was writing the music that i'm releasing now i was in the studio every single day we have some social media questions for jason first is from hussein thirteen ninety six on instagram would you collaborate with a country artist any time soon. on like to collaborate with montreal you know i would i think of a really interesting i mean i think in the mixture of music it's kind of cool i would like to use your advantage instagram what do you like to do in your free time . i love the watch movies. any kind of movie you know as long as it is a good movie i just like to kick back and do nothing zoe on twitter what is your favorite song to sing archipelago. you sing a lot about the polar when you world not a lot no. beautiful voice for things i think i think some aton would be my favorite the good old version song from. the movie right i want to know do you want to get
into film i do after this album cycle i think i'll dive into some back and i get a lot of awesome scripts and. try afterwards who is just who on twitter how has the internet changed the music industry. put it upside down. it's just a whole new world i wasn't around when the internet wasn't the main source. i don't know you know first hand but what i will say is that you know the internet is is driving the music industry now and it's hard to get a record success for a price so large and load i'm an artist are more famous now you know because you know at a click of a button you can you know know who these people are so they're more famous but they don't sell as many records so now. the labels have to make money in
different ways and us are as we make money in different ways you know as in you know branding opportunities you know being a face to this brand or that brand. you know you have to go through that too for an obvious the zagg jones thirty one on twitter what's the song that you wrote that you what's a song that you wrote that you wish you recorded. i wrote a couple for some people i was like. but not because every every song has its own journey so like me it is what it is no regrets k j m sixteen via twitter take me through your pre-concert ritual. so my dancers like we're pretty close. what will do is will will first you know start with a little bit of stretching then word will do some t.r.x. hit me up you know sam give me your sat up. t.-rex is
a new band and we do like a short workout with our experience and then we'll go over you know some of the quark for just on the bar bodies a little bit and then we do a short prayer and on do a whole turn up turn up turn up turn up and then we're out as long as your band you work with. five piece band and six dances we play a little if you only knew just as a quick question we remember the first girl you kissed yes and they were santo santo was in full over there or in miami for a lot of yeah yeah all you. twelve one of them have a i don't know. is there an audience we'd be surprised to learn that you listen to i listen obviously. still do stood he was special if your favorite awards show to attend the. m.t.v.
awards favorite city to perform in. sydney australia i hear it's great it's on believe. here the people i know the people want to feel special and special people are more carefree you know they just live life it's great. beautiful city too oh so opera house. favor fan encounter do you have for me. yeah i have i have tons on one time this this girl she waited in the closet in the janitor's closet for a couple hours waiting for my set to start started she ran out states and hugged me would not let it go at life for another fifteen encounter. she's kind of kind of different this lady brought a newborn baby had me about a week old baby she's like can you sign her forehead i'm like.
no no i'm not going to do this. if not music what will you be the best will play right or doctor or you like medicine to yeah not a sudden medicine but i have a soft spot for people. or does she was want to work with. not really knowing favorite spot with jordan katon here in l.a. and we're going to know where is it. i don't know the restaurant. next it's amazing you have to go ok i'll try i'll try to use of the rose. toward you said. something no one knows about you. i can cut her pretty well all. sitting with the best fans.
thank you first call you on. the cavalier. thank you thanks to my guest the very talented jason of his album tattoo is available in stores. and you can find me on twitter at kings things. quite often in countries rich in natural resources are the poorest africa's a colony it's a colony of the big corporations it's a colony of someone's home leaders who are under the thumbs of the big corporations so they have to beg from the world bank's development of social programs goes to pay back debts whole country is drowning under the amount of debt that they had and
so every year they would borrow money. and they would use that same amount of money to pay back oh that's. all that money really. the wages of debt. plus i was a new alert and a patient's scare me a little. there is breaking news tonight and they are continuing to follow the breaking news. alexander's family cry tears of joy at a great things other than their. red dark at a court of war found alive is a story made for a movie is playing out in real life. a
. friday folks i'm out in martin and this is breaking news said while liberal lion next mayor of new york bill de blasio by name his choice for and y.p. the commissioner now based on his campaign promises one would expect a blogger to fill this crucial position with individual vehemently against the race is a narrow minded stop and frisk program but that would be. just to logical and hope instead of blasio is gone with bill bratton who served as new york's top cop twenty years ago and most recently is l.a.p.d. chief of police and as it turns out not only was he an innovator of the controversial program back then but he thinks pretty highly of the way this harassing technique is being used today just listen to what he told journalist jeffrey toobin he said if the cops are not doing stop and frisk they are not doing their jobs it is a basic fundamental tool police work and the whole country if you do away with stop
and frisk this city will go down the chute as fast as anything you can imagine. wow looks like the blasio picked a real ingenious thinker and sadly that's just the beginning bratton served as l.a.p.d. chief he approved and supported a program that mapped large swathes of muslim communities to identify potential terrorists and claimed it wasn't racial profiling to mention his connections to several companies that sell technology and surveillance care to police forces across the country so let's hope this isn't a case of for me once shame on you for me twice you can't get forward again when it comes to build a blasio now let's break this. to the little. it was a. very hard to tell. you that had sex with that her right there.
was. a little little . facing more than eighteen billion dollars in debt the city of detroit finally filed for bankruptcy last july yesterday a u.s. district court judge authorized the city to go forward with its findings for chapter nine judge steven rhodes said that negotiating and reaching a deal with the city's one hundred thousand creditors would have taken far too long for their prevented detroit from delivering vital city services disturbingly this ruling means that the pensions for thousands of detroit city employees can be
slashed even though they were guaranteed long ago so they break down the complexities of detroit's bankruptcy and shed light on what this decision means for other cities and financial peril i'm joined now by richard wolffe economist and professor emeritus at the university of massachusetts always amazing to have you on richard. thank you for inviting me so richard what do you think is this bankruptcy decision the best outcome for detroit. no it's not it's one of the worst outcomes and i think you're right to point to this issue of the pensioners it is a historic moment it is saying to the workers of that city and in fact to the workers of all this country that when you sign a contract with an employer and you give up wages and benefits now to get a pension in the future and the employer agrees with you to do that that if and when that employer gets into difficulty they can act as if they never made that commitment they can forget all that you for went through all that you did without
to get a pension and take the pension away when you ed that the crisis in detroit is because a large corporation general motors ford and chrysler decided it's more profitable to go elsewhere they could leave behind that disaster and now make the people who work for this city pay for it by being destitute in their old age it is an amazing marker of where we have common as a country we have certainly come a far. way richard in the wrong direction let's talk about a trade on the situation and you talk about the accidents of these auto companies also talk about how wall street was involved in bankrupting a city. well you know in the early years because this decline of detroit is a matter of several decades now it speaks volumes to the incapacity of the governors of message of michigan to the presidents of the united states to all the people that saw what was happening to step in and do something but because they
couldn't and they wouldn't be allowed this city even though they bailed out those auto companies it left the city desperate so they turned to wall street to get certain kinds of financial help to see them through the hard times now they've discovered that those are very arrangements that wall street quote unquote helped them make turn out to have been profitable for wall street but are further burden rather than a help on them so that they've been hurt not only by the big oil companies made a big car companies but also by the financial industries and again the failure of those arrangements is being taken out of the hides of the school teachers and the garden and park maintainers and the police and fire servers who worked a full lifetime for that city it is astonishing to watch and even if you don't understand the economics the sheer more reality of it is mind blowing it is indeed
let's get more of this pension issue it's estimated that twenty three thousand retirees will see their pension slash i mean is there any way to prevent this from happening richard. roth is certainly i mean let's give you just two examples one the bailout at the highest estimates of the city's obligations to the pensioners is estimated to be three and a half billion dollars by contrast the federal government gave to. general motors fifty billion dollars general motors is a company detroit is a city which at that time of the bailout almost a million people democracy alone would say if you can bail out a company for fifty billion you could find three and a half billion to save thousands of people's pensions but the second question is do something in the relatively well off state of michigan to draw in the wealthy the
large corporations who have evaded their tax responsibilities for decades and say to them look you've been making out like bandits it's time for those at the top the biggest and the rich is to pay what they should have been paying all along and if you did that you would be able to get the money that would be able to have this city on their its obligations to the people who gave lifetimes of work to maintaining that said richard you just hit it right on the head which is that detroit's audio and history has received a bailout many times over why is it that corporations are considered more important to bail out than the people of this country. the irony is because they've made so much money that they have figured out that having become so rich relative to everybody else both the big companies relative to businesses as a whole and both the richest among us relative to everybody else that their soul out of touch with everybody else that they better control the political system or
else the obvious will happen that the majority will use the one person one vote electoral system to undo the inequality generated by the economy and so to prevent that the corporations control the parties the politicians the think tanks they give the money they provide the support and so the our politics becomes more and more disconnected from what the mass of people in detroit but in the country as a whole want and we. these outcomes that make no sense and that contradict the first basis of any real democratic system and what do you think about the push back argument that you know it's either pay these promised pension funds or keep utility services operating you make the choice i mean of course people are going to say well we have to keep the utility services operating. that's a little bit like saying to a person on the street i'm going to give you choice you can either have me stand by you or i will. into that the answer to that is never to argue which is the better
way to go the answer to that is to say i don't accept that choice and i don't accept the choice for detroit of either cutting the pensions or cutting the utilities my ensor is do something finally to correct the grotesque imbalances of wealth and power in the united states help the people who need it most who've given the most and who have the least responsibility for this crisis they're the ones the reason detroit is in trouble is because this economic crisis has made so many people unemployed i'm able to pay taxes while a small percentage get very wealthy everyone knows that go in after those people to raise the money they can best bill ford to do what's right by the people of this country or else you're driving a wedge inside the united states that we will all come to regret in the years ahead absolutely it is a false dichotomy thanks for breaking through that richard the wall for columnist
professor emeritus at university of massachusetts thanks so much. thank you. both guys it's about that time for you or feedback starting with you to bring. in over two hundred. maybe episodes bt has done your feedback about nine or eight times and you spend roughly a minute to a minute a half on the segment going to spend on average a minute on the viewer feedback segment why can't they do it more often since it's averaging viewer feedback every thirty one point five episodes wow thank you so much for doing the math and since it means so much to you this is for you man we're on a james alexander fish from you tube who writes abby is nothing more than a well scrubbed rube how does not mean has been going on in the u.k. for a while now and it seems to come to the us it would seem obvious how do those have
decided because the increase was less than one percent that makes it a myth let me explain something to you james since you seem to think i get told what to say by my shadowy handlers live are not i've never even spoken to but seriously i never said that people aren't getting knocked out randomly of course that's happening and it sucks for the people who are victimized by it what i am saying is that random assaults are nothing new nor is it on the rise anywhere so stop getting sucked into the fear mongering sensationalism you're disheveled group . feeling commented on yesterday's episode saying this show is incredibly cynical i can't watch it anymore now this common actually makes me sad because it's incredibly exhausting and it's a tremendous burden to be research into this intense material day in and day out just like it provides unreported news for you the viewer i care so much about these topics that it shows and sometimes i can be really angry or sarcastic but i always
ask every guest what can be done and i always try to get tools for action so people can be proactive with this information and that's all we can ever do and i can ever do thanks so much for everyone for watching and writing as always now let's keep breaking the set of. technology innovation. developments around. the future. the fact that. everybody else did you know the price is the only industry specifically mentioned in the constitution and. that's because a free and open press is critical to our democracy correct albus. role. in fact the single biggest threat facing our nation today is the corporate takeover of
our government and out across several we've been a hydrogen lying handful of transnational corporations that will profit by destroying what our founding fathers once it's all just my job market and on this show we reveal the big picture of what's actually going on in the world we go beyond identifying the problem to try rational debate in a real discussion critical issues facing america to find ready to join the movement then welcome to the big bird. flu wonderful moment a lot of these major news outlets face time to time you know. it was.
a pleasure to have you with us here on our t.v. today i'm researcher. in the for. the book club. yesterday fourteen members of the hacktivist group anonymous appeared in california's federal court to enter pleas for their role in attacking the website pay pal known as the pay pal fourteen the group briefly took down the website. in two thousand and ten after pay pal started block donations for wiki leaks eleven members of the group pled guilty to one federal count of conspiracy and one misdemeanor of damaging a protected computer in return it's expected that these eleven anons will have the federal charges adjourned to break down this case and what it means for the hacktivist community at large i'm joined now by investigative journalist alexa
o'brien who's been covering the case was just there yesterday thank you so much for coming on a lot. having me paper wanted five point five million dollars in damages now the only and collectively pain thousand dollars of pay pal how these damages assessed in the first place. well that's a bit of a mystery because the plea deal that was structured through the settlement conferences that have been happening over the last year which boiled down to one felony count which would be which with which was either conspiracy or damaging or protected computer and then the misdemeanor was adversely affecting a network or a system. those were all hammered out like i said in a settlement conference the the process of trying to produce the damage or lack of damage evidence from pay pal because the government didn't have ownership over it was a series of of you know essentially sidestepped subpoenas by e-bay and pay power
what cited in the court records is a couple of items the five point five million that you reference also the f.c.c. filing which apparently. a claim to know did evade claimed no damage on and then there's the public statement of pay pal spokespeople both in the new york times stating that the website wasn't down at any time. and that the system was in their system for their customers wasn't affected by the distributed denial of service it's very interesting a i have to bring. pierre omidyar is op ed for having imposed because i was following your whole twitter thread with him about it where he writes if we want to make parallels between real world protests and online protests that means one thousand people can have the effect of six million people demonstrate in front of your office that seems like an excessive impact on the hands of each person. is not the point to put how our power in the hands of the
people that would normally be ignored by massive corporations. you know he made a really important point and you know i responded to him publicly that it's outrageous how the policy group of pay pal executives how much havoc they can rack on you know essentially. extralegal censorship of media organizations like wiki leaks with their you know high orbit government can and referring you know to the lower bit i. can and that was used to automate the distributed denial of service attack by the anonymous collective. and what do you think what i'm saying that pay pal but the people of fourteen should have received leniency only if they didn't know what the only if they didn't know but they weren't aware of before impact of their actions. well i find that the the presentation of this op ed after the plea deal has been hammered out is completely
illogical. here is the chair of e-bay which is a movement. in this case is well aware of the plea deal that has been hammered out because according to people i've spoke to they were actually consulted by the department of justice so why the call for leniency after the plea deals already been hammered out and the co-defendants are going you know going to court to essentially plead guilty to a felony and a misdemeanor count it looks to looks like a p.r. campaign to me to. essentially present himself as somehow an advocate for these individuals i think that his actions show me at least that he is not one . who is recently sensitive two years federal probation and one hundred eighty three thousand dollars fine for being part of a day to us attack for just one minute why do you think this disproportionate
sentence was received compare. the pay pal fourteen. i can't say i do know that these are highly politicized cases we look at the pay pal case for example the former director of the f.b.i. used the pay pal fourteen case to justify increased appropriations for the f.b.i. under the mantle of cyber security prosecutions i'm so this is this is big business you know in washington and also clearly if you look at the structured settlement that happened with the pay pal case. which was the first major cybersecurity case in the post wiki leaks world. essentially the d.o.j. extracted from this plea deal one plea to a felony count and what's important about that is that allows the f.b.i. regardless of whether that felony count gets you know actually withdrawn in a year time it allows the f.b.i.
to count on their sister statistics for cyber crime so this is really about the lack of debate that we've had a year ago two years ago about online protest about the fact that culture is conducted predominantly online especially amongst. many politically active people today or younger people too and that we need to really actually examine the economic and sociological landscape that we currently exist in and not rely on models from twenty years ago to try to discuss the first amendment the freedom of the press and what's at stake for larger society i couldn't agree more aspersions and seeing what's happening with this regular protest outside of the complete militarization the police i mean it really is time to reevaluate the whole concept of the selective thanks for explaining that you know i was just saying that the case even though it's totally different it does seem like they're almost going the route of the music industry where they're kind of holding up these you know putting
these people basically making. you know. making. i don't know the word i'm looking for basically making a whole bottle of this guy and just say you know we can charge you with hundreds of thousands of dollars to scare everyone else you know you point out that the pay pal fourteen knew very well that they could be prosecuted for their actions but did it anyway they did it to change the dialogue talk about the precedent that you think this case will set for the future. well i think that this in a certain sense has been has given the d.o.j. a pass on on prejudicially prosecuting a people who clearly did not intend nor did they damage the pay pal system in the words of people's own spokespeople. and their f.c.c. filing this is really about intimidating people and so the precedent that the sense i do think that the the the defense counsel for the paper fourteen. you know really
. legally advocated in this case in an intelligent in an aggressive manner the precedent that this sense is that the american public is going to just simply continue to allow individuals to be treated this way by the department of justice and it's going to intimidate people and people be afraid of coming out for the next round of protests that to occur absolutely and thank you so much look so bright investigative journalist on the ground covering this case really appreciate coming in. thank you. yesterday the world lost a hero. former south african president and anti-apartheid leader nelson mandela passed away at the age of ninety five mandela was an inspiring revolutionary who
not only changed his country he changed the entire world as a young south african living under full apartheid mandela became involved in and to clone a politics that worked to dismantle the oppressive system of institutionalized racism as a young man mandela got involved in politics rose quickly in the ranks of the african national congress and as a lawyer he oversaw the one thousand nine hundred fifty five congress of the people that produced a charter that later became a manifesto for the liberation movement in one hundred sixty two mandela was convicted of sabotage and conspiracy and sends to life in prison as a political dissident he served twenty seven years about sentence to the efforts of the international community rallying for his release now the entire media machine is covering mandela's death and his stork legacy as well they should however it's being framed with a neocolonial bias of american exceptionalism see what the media won't tell you is
who nelson mandela really was and what he really stood for and how it was actually the good old central intelligence agency that was responsible for his arrest in the first place that's right a former cia official admitted in one thousand nine hundred eighty it was the agency that provided the details of mandela's whereabouts and turn him over to south african security they also said they had dasa to call it quote one of our greatest coups so what else is the media not telling you to start did you know mandela was a communist yes the big red scary c word was just confirmed that he was indeed a member of the south african communist party at the time of his arrest and it's not too much of a shock when you consider how mandela equated poverty and inequality to slavery in apartheid as social evils same quote overcoming poverty is not a gesture of. charity it's an act of justice it's a protection of a fundamental fear of human right the right to dignity and
a decent life while poverty persists there is no true freedom. here's another tidbit that the mainstream media won't touch mandela never brought into america's never bought into america's war on terror not only was there a fervent critic of the bush administration and spoke out against the execution of prisoners about due process he even said this about bin laden he said the labeling of a some of bin laden as the terrorist responsible for those acts before you've even been tried and convicted could also be seen as undermining some of the basic tenants of the rule of law but bin ladin wasn't the only surprising figure that mandela spoke out about he also defended moammar gadhafi and fidel castro given their support for ending apartheid in south africa it makes sense that mandela would think twice a day is what america labels a terrorist considering how mandela himself was on the terror watch list all the way up until two thousand and eight the entire african national congress and while
today's media outlets are hailing mandela as one of the most famous pacifists in modern history the reality is that while he promoted nonviolence he was not opposed to using violence when necessary here is giving his first t.v. interview ever discussing just that. i'm going to have to go to the. naacp i want to hear directly from the economy. and the number of them are going to try. to do. that i'm going to be a blue seat because you'll see us and we. have to continue talking peace and i'm biased against the government. is on the front page of text. on and on the defensive speaker and i think the time of come for us to come see them in the light to find speed and seize in this tattle way that the methods which
we have applied so far out adequate. but it's especially awkward and ironic for the corporate and political status for it to be marking on mandela's legacy today because the vast majority of these people still support apartheid say a system that gives racial discrimination legitimacy is alive and well in a little country called israel and every year three billion dollars of taxpayer money is used to sponsor israel's apartheid state and oppression against the palestinians so as we come right the life of an amazing leader and civil rights activist let's not let them white wash his real legacy. that's our show you guys thanks for watching have a great weekend we'll see you right back here next week to break the sat all over the dan.
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