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is why you should care only on the orgy dot com. i. breaking news an r.t. deadly violence in golds the. city of odessa as an attempt at a price on the demonstration ends with radicals attacking anti here activists throughout the city. meanwhile at least five people are killed as kiev relaunches its crackdown on the country's east where people are defying the interim government and demanding greater freedoms for their regions. meanwhile the crisis sparked a key blame game in new york as russia and the u.s. failed to find common ground at an emergency meeting of the u.n. security council. and angela merkel and barack obama warned further sanctions could be on their way for russia if the situation crane deteriorates further.
are you watching r.t. international now the deadly standoff in ukraine has spread to the country's south casualties and scores of injured people have been reported in ukraine's biggest port city of odessa which on the whole had remained relatively peaceful following february's coup in kiev these are the latest pictures from local television from outside the trade unions building where supporters of greater autonomy are trying to seek shelter a thousand strong more besieged the building attempting to force out anyone hiding inside men in black clothes were seen threatening people on the streets with machine guns and scores of injured people have been seen lying in the streets crying for help several people have been. hilde you talk as
a mostly football fans we're tell joined by members of far right groups people have been putting up pavements and throwing stones at each other along with molotov cocktails and one of the ladies of the local pro autonomy great describe the scene for us. one policeman died after being injured by right sector radicals who came today to a death so there were over a thousand of them would they wanted to hold a rally here for united ukraine and march towards our tent camp we knew beforehand of this provocation so some of our brigades met them as they were making their way to us that's when these ultra radicals began throwing molotov cocktails rocks and started to fight with our guys but our teams were able to fend them off and stop them seeing all their attempts were fruitless they opened gunfire that's one of our guys and a policeman were killed these radicals were trying to get to our orthodox outpost where many people come to pray for the berkut soldiers lost their lives on my done
we're ready to fight to lead and. earlier we discussed they to tell you shit. when you met and he said he eventually deaths are worrying escalation. it is an extremely dangerous escalation because it pushes far into the interior of ukraine of course and the descendants of the resident senator robert s. of so far as i know from ukrainian friends is very strongly. ethnically russian and progress of that been demonstrations are well before this latest but the interesting thing is that the probably sector in uniform is being helicoptered in by the kiev government after the parliament and you have a few days before voted overwhelmingly to dismiss are the illegal illegally armed probably six. point militants if you want to call my code terrorists so what's going on here who's calling the shots as it is that nato is it. the cia
friends friends and so forth were just think you have or what's going on it's highly highly dangerous and it's five i think for obama to deescalate this thing by sitting down with who demand other relevant parties and working out a real deescalation not escalation of sanctions which of the office and. meanwhile the situation is still tense in the eastern city of savannah sky where earlier today at least three ukrainian troops into self defense fighters were killed that off to kiev village to military a cell to take back the area from antigovernment protests that is the city in the den yet region has a population of just over one hundred thousand and is not blockaded with people unable to evacuate the area. i. as you can see here crowds of desperate unarmed locals have been trying to prevent ukraine's military hardware from advancing by simply standing in the way
but the troops didn't seem to be too concerned by that the operation which kicked off at dawn came from both ground and their fighter helicopters were sent to rub the skies over some of the ends but with but two were gunned down by the self-defense forces the ukrainian army decided then to halt the air raids following the crash is. very accurate. and this appears to be footage showing the pilot after his helicopter came down where you can see the self defense fighter can you tell you despite the fact he'd been sent to fight against them one of the activists says the man was abandoned by his own people like. when the second helicopter was shot down we wanted to get closer but decided to save the first pilot he was abandoned by his own people they came up to him and took away his gun. well activists across ukraine southeast have been demanding
a referendum to split from kiev for months now and they've also been saying that they want the rights of the russian speaking to be respected and they feel. within government meanwhile reports claim in our armed unit of people dressed in the uniform of the right sector is just outside slovyansk just to remind you who the right sector actually group has been involved in attacks on ukrainians in the east along with the army however the government doesn't have full control over the radicals and they have already come out against. several times despite helping them to power during a violent coup in february and this porous layer now reports they are once again ready for action against their fellow countrymen. we are hearing reports that members of the right stick to have arrived via helicopter we're being told they're heavily armed and that they have the uniforms of the right sector so that is how
they are being easily identified as you can well imagine tensions are running high it's taken us about four hours to actually enter the town it is completely closed all few have barricades and checkpoints at every single entrance and exit at the same time this is a town that is in lockdown the ukrainian military has completely surrounded it we're hearing from the ukrainian defense ministry that two of its pilots have been killed there were something between two and four helicopters that were downed earlier this morning we haven't been able to verify the numbers talking to the self-defense units they say that one of their members has been killed at the same time we're also hearing from the ukrainian authorities that at least ten checkpoints have been captured now protesters have been building barricades around them they've been reinforcing them with sandbags at the same time locals of those town have been coming forward to offer themselves as human shields trying to build more barricades and away to the city center and hold the attack. as long as possible we have defending our city we don't want to let these bloody prosecutors
come in we want an end to this crime against humanity in the southeast for how long do we have to be afraid children and the elderly the old people the veterans who are ready to take their crutches and fight for their children for now the city is calm we're hearing shooting from the periphery this is a city where that's the situation is extremely tense and we people are preparing for further on sort of by the ukrainian army. the fate of ukraine and its eastern regions has been debated at the u.n. security council meeting this just taken place let's get the latest now from marty's and see children who joins me live there what was said. well andrew a two hour meeting a second one conducted this week a thirteenth meeting on the ukrainian crisis this friday it was called by russia urgent session to discuss the latest unraveling chaos on the ground of course are
traditional for now in this crisis blame gave them continued between the united states and western russia certainly the u.s. continues to blame russia for events unraveling on the ground blaming it for trying to allegedly get in the way of ukraine's sovereignty russia however said it's called for this meeting today urgently because of the increased military ization by the king of government against its own people on the ground russia has said that these are very dangerous steps that could lead to harsh consequences and calls it a criminal misadventure of the latest events that have been unraveling in eastern ukraine take a listen to russia's ambassador to the u.n. . but is it way in q we call old as well as those who signed the geneva agreement the us and the e.u. not to make horrible mistakes and so be assessed the possible outcome of the action . of the west to reject its destructive policy with respect to ukraine we also it's about those who took power in kiev to immediately stop them publishing operation
and any other violence against they were people to free political prisoners and allow all freedoms for journalists. or disputing. while love russia has also said that it's time for the west to stop toying with the situation in ukraine and talk to people in kiev instead of telling continuously russia to where and how to have its own troops on its own territory of course back and forth ensued between the u.s. and russia and the meeting did end with russia calling for all sides and the international community to try to continue to stick with the agreement to halt all violence on the ground so that. the situation ally from new york thank you. we while ukraine's forces are calling on self-defense units in some vans to surrender and they down their weapons in return for safety well we did have a chance to speak to some of the locals that they are determined to stand in the
face of the operation which used to be in the military but i've never raised arms against civilians. they cry only democracy democracy we live in democratic country but in reality explain to me where is it we don't even have the right to speak out they don't care about the south east they decided to work things out without us to choose a president without us where. we're standing for the right cause and you don't want to fight and you want we simply want to live in a civilized state where everyone's rights are respected and we don't want to keep contact to rule yet though the other one you know covies did not send forces to my don square but the send this and they did it quietly at four in the morning just like fascists surely will you're not really going to move for a bit here let the tanks crush me but i won't move why my home base here my family my friends and their children are here why should i leave my city because of them i
didn't start a war with the it's they who said be here see what you're saying you put on what you do it's just impossible to live like this anymore tell me what country is sending armed forces against its own people we have people being killed here public transport is not working for it is not making its way into the city all mothers are sitting and trembling and are asking for help of course we are following the situation very closely in ukraine and any new developments will bring them to you straight away. now and american barack obama had just finished that joint that joint press conference in washington saying that meeting has been dominated by talks about ukraine off to the show bright will tell you what kind of agreement they've reached .
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visible. shoes that no one is asking with the guests that you deserve answers from . politic only on our team. welcome back now let's return to our breaking news story in the deadly standoff in ukraine that has now spread to the country south casualties and scores of injured people have been reported in the country's biggest port city of a death there which on the whole had remained relatively peaceful following february skew in kiev these are the latest pictures from local t.v. from outside the trade unions building where supporters of greater autonomy have been forced out after trying to seek shelter there a thousand strong mob besieged the building a masked men in black clothes were seen threatening people on the streets with machine guns scores of injured people have been lying in the streets crying for
help over a dozen people have reportedly been killed it's acas a mostly we're told football fans joined by members of the far right groups people have been pulling up pavements and throwing stones at each other along with laura told the tiles. it's simple research. meanwhile the german chancellor angela merkel and the u.s. president barack obama have held a press conference in washington they say russia has violated international law over ukraine and warned more sanctions could come if the situation deteriorates further artie's gannett yan has details now from washington d.c. . president obama talked about six toral sanctions against russia the leaders mentioned energy talked about diversifying europe's energy supply as president obama said the u.s. has approved the export of u.s. natural gas he said the trade agreement that the u.s. and europe are now negotiating will make energy cooperation easier if the u.s.
has been trying to push europe's largest economy germany to sign off on harsher sanctions against russia at least to put the threat on the table the german leader although verbal e critical of moscow and of lies in there putin has previously shown reluctance to do that considering the fact that the sanctions could have on german economy and on the economy of europe as a whole russia provides a third of europe's energy german and russian companies have joint projects so german businesses have urged to halt on sanctions against russia and chancellor merkel most probably delivered that message to washington and here's what president obama said about the russian energy and possible sanctions we're looking at a whole range of issues. energy flows from russia to europe. those continued even the in the midst of the cold war at the height of the cold war so the idea that you're going to turn off the tap. on all russian or learned gas exports i think is unrealistic president obama showed support for
down on the protests in the east of ukraine he called it kiev's move to restore order and angle merkel simply did not talk about it she just said she would like to see elections carried out in may from president obama again we heard nothing but praise for the government in kiev at one point he said the duly elected government in kiev if and apparently skipping the fact that ukraine's elected president was overthrown and the ukrainians have not yet had the chance to elect their government again the u.s. president dismissed the whole protest in the east this sponsored and controlled by russia and put the responsibility for deescalating on moscow alone. well let's bring in colonel lawrence wilkerson former chief of staff to the then take chief of state colin powell thanks very much for joining us this evening barack obama has been in the past and yet again blamed russia's president for this ongoing escalation in ukraine based firstly just have a quick listen to what he said one of the biggest concerns that we've seen is the
russian propaganda that has been. blasted out nonstop suggesting somehow that the ukrainian government is responsible for the problems in eastern ukraine the ukrainian government has shown remarkable restraint throughout this process. he said remarkable restraint but training government has now sent in the military for the first thing that strikes me is that you could reverse those words put the united states in the place of russia include the country of venezuela and ask the same question about u.s. efforts to discredit my duros government in venezuela so this is sort of tit for tat putin doing to the united states what the united states has done in in caracas
in damascus and in a host of other places around the world it's hypocritical of both countries arts to be putting out rhetoric like this when this is really all about great power. relations with its so-called near abroad it's periphery ukraine to russia is the same as mexico or cuba to the united states and the blame game does seem to be very central to her to the whole episode at the moment because just moments ago there was an emergency meeting at the u.n. that resulted in tit for tat again allegations from both sides what is disturbing for the actual crisis at the moment is it making it worse in your opinion. well i think we have a solution here that the solution is a complex and a difficult one but it's simple to express ambassador her to himself probably had something to do with us master nations in kiev in particular but in eastern ukraine
in general said the other day that one of the positions putin would accept is a neutralized ukraine he'd prefer to have one firmly in russia's fold but he would accept a neutral as one where we should be willing nato and the united states to accept a neutral ukraine let putin say that in russian and moscow however he likes let us say it in english german in french and elsewhere elsewhere the way we like but that's what we really need we need a ukraine in which neither great power is playing in which neither great power is preventing ukraine from stabilizing itself and hopefully gaining some good governance and maybe even some prosperity over time that's the only way it's going to happen is if the great powers leave it alone other than to help it economically financially and so forth and quit these massive nations that look just like
nineteenth or early twentieth century isn't the trouble now that instability is so great that people haven't left you trying to live and finding a solution is extremely difficult. no question just a week or two ago i mentioned to a friend of mine that odessa would be next because actually odessa just as valuable to the russian navy as is stoppel and crimea and you've got friends in easter along with the major logistic route to odessa run and of course frenzies there has its own russian affiliation if you will and desire not to be a part of moldova so this whole situation is a colossal complex mess made to a large part a mess by u.s. efforts to expand nato and now both great powers moscow and washington need to step back a bit think about what they might perpetrate one thousand nine hundred fourteen like
and reduce the tension reduce the rhetoric and calculate a way that they can move out of this both sides when necessarily but both sides won't lose let's call it a situation that prevents war ok well fascinating to he too couldn't lawrence wilkinson former chief of staff to colin powell thank you we've been getting reports that cheating has flared up again in the city of slavyansk in east ukraine early today at least three ukrainian troops and self-defense find. that sticky have launched a military style to take back. testers grain phillips is there for us so let's get the latest from him now. hi. yeah thanks very much for coming on graham what more can you tell us about this latest incident what can tell you
probably says it all is that this interview should have been live it should have been a couple of kilometers over time but what about at the moment. but trying to walk the streets of pitch black there's no street lights on you or i was done by a common distance of about fifty yards ahead and. shout at me and seems to me you are you identify yourself and they were let me through so there's there's gunfire the streets are deserted the city is in lockdown the sounds of gunshots just reverberating through the air and the streets are blocked off you can't even walk. as nights now and all of the defenses of basically dug in in anticipation of this storm that is apparently going to calm the corner going to come from creating an army during this a conflict of this would be a referendum forces now having dug in central on clay there are five ukrainian army what they're expecting is for an attack to come tonight so they're preparing for that and there are of rounds and they're getting ready to basically about positions
beyond which i mean let's let's not overstate like a war zone. ok graeme thank you for that update we do have to leave it there it is a very worrying situation that's a growing phillips for us live from sloviansk thank you. we are the e.u. says it's watching cranes military action in the east with quote growing concern but europe hasn't exactly been living up to its own proclaimed standard say says political scientist at the european center of geopolitics analysis not to say peace or ski. if you look at other cases when the equipment and military forces are used against the civilian protests all over the world european union stance in the events of human rights and events in defiance of in support of peaceful resolution of any of that in these particles our case and the level of double standards and the level of the support of the key all fishel figures of
european union for the american version of. events in eastern ukraine we have to ask several members of american political lights. they want to achieve now because what they are actually achieving now by suppressing militarily is suppressing goals of the protest in the southeast of ukraine particularly as levinson is that they will have the situation in waves there will be no more possibility even the slightest possibility for a united ukraine. back now to our breaking news story and the deadly standoff in ukraine that has now spread to the country south there have been casualties and scores of injured people in the country's biggest port city of odessa which on the whole had remained relatively peaceful following february's coup in kiev these are the latest pictures we're getting from local television there from outside the
trade unions building where supporters of greater autonomy have been forced and after trying to seek shelter there thousand strong mob apparently besieged the building over a dozen people have reportedly been killed some of the victims died after jumping out of the windows that is according to witnesses others died of gunshot wounds scores of injured people have been lying in the streets crying for help at the same time masked men in black have been seeing threatening people on the streets with machine guns the attack is a mostly gets older football ultras joined by members of far right groups will be bringing you more on the latest developments here in r.t. international in less than thirty minutes time. i mean tonight it's. suffocating me. and she talks about the need for freedom.
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welcome to go on sophie shevardnadze as brussels brings in more sanctions against mosco over the crisis in ukraine but it was actually being done to sell the chaos as a bloc ready to take responsibility for the country gripped by civil unrest geert wilders an outspoken dutch politician is a guest of my program today. as these you politicians cheer on a new government in kiev this calls for european integration back home growing
frustrated with the you with weeks to go to the european elections anti e.u. forces us to make a strong showing. what's behind the euro skepticism and what does it mean for the future of the european union. character olders touch politician leader of the party for freedom it's great to have you here on our show so we're going to just start and go ahead with ukraine out there blame game going on over ukraine the u.s. and europe are pointing fingers at russia while also says it's to the west that is to blame what do you think is responsible. well you know i think what the u.p.a. union did it was very irresponsible because in the family last year they promised. grain that they would have some kind of pretty exceptional treaty and maybe in the future become a member of the european union and we all know that this was a very delicate balance in the ukraine with fifty percent looking east towards
those russia fifty percent of the population looking worse with those three o p union so i think it was very irresponsible what the european union did they should have kept out of it on the other hand i must also say that ukrainian still is even though europe made a big mistake there it is an autonomous sovereign country i should also believe that not only the european union have stayed out of its but also russia should really not feel the best thing to do is the deescalate by taking the russian minority in eastern ukraine seriously give them rights make them really feel as important as the all the how of the ukraine and then i hope also russia will be able to retract not interfere as well but very talk about discoloration you mentioned that he was responsible partially for what's going on right now the result that we have which is a country and bring a civil war that why do you think it was so supportive in the beginning do you
think it lacked the understanding of the complexity of the situation on the ground . well you know unfortunately the european union and that's very on the ice wants to xpand it wants to have all the euro files and brussels wants to have more more and more members and they forget that it's not only about themselves everybody even a child could see that and the ukraine this was not a come through and ninety nine percent of the people supported the idea by joining the european union half of the country is against it was more and is more pro russia so i believe that the european union. indeed played a very irresponsible role should have kept out of it i saw even european politicians member of parliament even dutch members of parliament were standing on the square in kiev. saying saying the wrong the wrong things making the people believe that they would have all the support of the west and ignoring the fact that
it was not the easy situation in the real queen itself so the europe was very irresponsible but i also have to be honest it still is a sovereign country so also believe that russia should respect that the suffering to be off the ukraine and should have stayed out of the country and i hope that without the europe and the fearing and without russian interfering things can still deescalate now without sanctions but with common sense. i think one of the keys of the solution is to take the russian minority in the east of the ukraine take them seriously european union to date should take two steps back and also russia should do the same and i hope that will be peaceful outcome that way that you're talking about discoloration and staying out of ukraine's affairs say do you think that you shouldn't help ukraine right now in this current mass. well you know the european union is responsible for the mess like i said when they set last november they
promised the ukraine some kind of pre exception treaty is kind of membership this was very irresponsible and i believe you are of a small thinking about itself and expanding its its territory really was thinking about the whole of the ukraine let alone the stability in that region and the stability in that region is not served by russia on the one hand and the european union all nato on the other hand i mean it's only getting more attention so it's very irresponsible what europe did what i would hope once again is that it would deescalate that russia would they could do steps back that the european union would take a few steps back and that if we take if the ukrainian federal government takes the rights of the russian minorities seriously and then i hope that all past will be able to deescalate in a peaceful way that is i think where we all will benefit from the most are there a lot of politicians in here of that share your point of view i mean taking the
blame partially for what's going on your question also trying to deescalate situation ukraine. yes i think there are more i mean there is a gap really between the vox populate the popular voice and what the governments say i mean once again i'm not only blaming the european union member i mean both russia and the european union but i have to be honest you've been union made a terrible move and the beginning of in the last year they at least partially started a lot of the troubles and that analysis. is shared by more parties in the european union for sure but now the here is introducing yet more sanctions against russia are there chanting anything at all in your opinion. well you know i am not the biggest believer in sanctions it's not good for anybody it's not good for europe it's not good for russia so it's not good for ukraine so i think we should
try to once again deescalate i mean if if the russian army would and would invade ukraine which i believe would be a terrible mistake then of course you could talk about sessions but no sanctions could be even counterproductive at least if you make forward more economical sanctions so i'm i'm i think that europe should also take part of the blame because they made big mistakes but also russia should take part of the part of the blame they also made mistakes and if the boss agree on that and focus on the ukraine and also once again take the russian minority which is an enormous minority in eastern ukraine take them seriously give them rights give them serious rights then i hope that more sanctions will be not only counterproductive but will all the also be unnecessary i hope it's not too late but we should try at least for it but like you said russia has been invaded ukraine yet so as a right now what kind of fact are european politicians hoping for with the
sanctions in the netherlands there is a majority i have to say of the bodies that support the dutch government and support the point of view of the european union my party might be different once again we are not only blaming russia but we also looking at the european union and we believe that only to have more sanctions is counterproductive for your rights even though what happened in the crim crimean region was not that we supported what russia did doubt but russia has not invaded eastern ukraine yet and i hope they won't and in order to do that sanctions i believe today council productive at least what the americans what others want to do is just to step up the sanctions to have more sanctions to pay them. really think that's will help i think to deescalate the war thought will help and threatening with sanctions and other things on either way most of the time really has no positive effect now the netherlands is large as gas
producer take cover for any loss of russian gas imports to hear up. well you know we have certainly gas in the netherlands with which i believe should be first used for the netherlands itself which is very logical because it's our gas i believe we should use it but we also of course export it and sell it and that is also for our economy a good thing and i don't know if we could step up to the level that russia is providing now to parts of certainly europe and eastern europe. but once again i hope it will not come to that that far that the situation will escalate i hope it will be escalate more sessions to day so that any more economic sanctions today would not only be bad for russia would also be bad for the european union for our parts of europe and i think this is something that we should not want today is
there just isn't cold war style relations between the u.s. and russia so is the e.u. ready to follow us it. well i hope that's not the case i hope that we will still have good relations with russia as we do with the united states on myself and very much in favor i'm a transatlantic system more than. a fan of the european union so i cherish the role that even the dutch half within nato and i subscribe to a very good relations with the united states of america but i also believe we should have good relations with russia russia is a very important. part of the world in a very large and strong country and of course we can disagree on things we can disagree on many things with russia with united states with many other parts of the world but another cold war is something i believe that will be very bad thing that nobody is waiting for that will have beth results lonely politically but also
economically with chaff will have more tensions all over the border between nato and he say europe or russia so i hope really and i'm not naive but i hope that we can prevent another cold war in europe all right so well we're going to take a short break now we'll be back with that plantation get your elders to talk about the upcoming caravan actions and their rights if you're a skepticism stay with us. live
now we're back with garrick wilders dutch politician leader of the party for freedom great to have you back so i want to talk about the rising cura skepticism prominent us politician and author pat buchanan i'm sure you know who he is he recently said that nationalism is on the rise while globalization is a thing of the past do you share his point of view. yes i think it does but i call it myself patriotism i'm a bit to it i believe we should be all patriots i believe a lot of russians are patriots as well and we should be proud of country and you know what happened in the last decades is that our national sovereignty in the european union collapsed because there came
a european superstate of all european elections that nobody in holland or in belgium or the united kingdom nobody not only knows them but nobody voted for them and they are now of almost all the law making process in our own country so we lost our identity we lost our national sovereignty to the european union an institution that really a lot of people in the west don't like so much anymore i have nothing against europe but i have a lot against the european union as an organization of what we want we want to regain control over our own borders over a own money over our own budget all rise that the rights that we have given to the bureaucrats in brussels and we all did back i mean everybody knows that spanish people are different than swedish people my own dutch people not the same as portuguese and it's a good thing there is not a european people it doesn't exist i mean several countries exist so i believe we
should cooperate in an economical way with the internal markets and treat with one another everybody can benefit from that between should stop with the political project call to european union because that's a big failure to be honest but you're not the only one actually voicing this concern there is france that's being actually way worried about the immigration problems so understating its borders also britain is sounding alarm do you think it's something that's going to pass or is it something that's actually going to ask a lady into something bigger. well it's not going to pass i mean let's be honest all the europhiles oldest those pro european bought these they ignore to problem they say that it's ridiculous and they day ignore it and they they will not act on it and you see that bodies like mine but also in the united kingdom and france we will probably if not win the elections in the end of may for the european parliament we will be one number one the number two on the national election so
millions of people a year opened that's why the elections in may so historical for euro because for the first time millions of people will cast their vote against the european union people who want less european union will be a control of their own money of their own budgets of their own borroughs of the whole lawmaking and those spot these and that's another reason why the elections will be crucial and historic will also hopefully be able to work together in the opium palm and to sound a different voice to cost the different volt in the european parliament and that will not only have an enormous effect on the european politics but also on the national politics a lot of things will change people are fed up that big fat bureaucrats in brussels who nobody elected. doing the most crazy things that are not good for our country let me give you one example we have in my country in the netherlands but in many
other western european countries we have had the raising of texas we have had austerity programs of billions of euros and we send that money to greece to cyprus to portugal to we call you being come to ace and at the same time people in holland they had less money in the baucus and we send that money abroad and people are fed up with that we want seven hundred thousand unemployed people in the netherlands we don't want more immigrants from other countries to come here we want to jobs to be down for our own people like i think it's very logic as well also like once they cannot make gross picks out one key u.s. skepticism we can. listen i believe that for instance i want my country to leave the european union i would like us to be a second switzerland you know the country of switzerland switzerland is in the heart of europe but is not a member of the european union and if we could still have access to the until
market without being a member of the european union i think that we commissioned the reports by independent bureau and it showed that only the netherlands would have a ten percent more economical growth people would have more money in their pockets there would be more jobs in the netherlands if the hollands would leave the european union and still we could be good trade with the other countries of the european union but we could also have more free trade agreements with other parts of europe rather is more economical growth and a europe today look at asia look at latin america look at africa there is more economic growth and that's region than in europe itself and for instance switzerland switzerland already has for a few years a free trade agreement with japan that science free trade agreement with china last year your rope has neither one of them europe is still fighting between one another should we have a trade agreement with japan and china and all of which conditions so you are far
more flexible outside to european union and like switzerland a very strong economical country we can deal better economically and we are in charge of our own country again when it comes to national sovereignty so yes we would like to leave the european union and be stronger as a national country so are you saying that european union has exhausted itself in its current form because from what i remember netherlands was actually a pretty poor country like twenty thirty years ago can it has helped it become very stable and very rich. you know listen when europe started european union started in the fifty's you know nine hundred fifty seven it started in a good way and i wish it should have stayed like that because it started with economical corporation and i believe in economical cooperation i believe in three traits everybody every country can benefit from trading with one another but then after the fifty's in the sixty's the seventy's the eighty's and later it became
a political project instead of economical cooperation of free trade it changed into a kind of european superstate where politicians try to make foreign policy you will see you see what happened in the ukraine what a mess they made about it they try with one point one currency with the eurozone they try to be stronger economically and it's also this us though the western countries the northern part of your obeyed photocell the bought a few about our economy did not grow in the last year the netherlands had more economical growth before we entered to euro zone then after we were part of the euro zone and europe didn't bring peace either once again the example at the ukraine were to make made a big mess of it but also in the form of a was a yugoslavia look at bosnia europe did nothing as world autos like like america that came to help so europe was not good for our sovereignty was not good for our
economy is bad for foreign policy so i believe we can be far better off outside the eurozone and outside the european union and more and more not a majority today but more and more people in any european country share this view so i really believe that the elections later in a month's time will be historic in our continent europe said the years skeptic movement is fragmented in every here a skeptic party has different goals can you form a single block in the european parliament. well i really hope so and i'm i'm a positive guy so i really hope that we will be able to do so and look at the other groups in european parliament. bodies working together that have more differences than we have look at the christian democrats and holland the christian democrats or the party the christian democrats from. the discounts and from germany they work
together with the party of mr bellows kone and i've nothing against that that they have they have far more differences than we have with so many other these so i believe that it's our responsibility to try to work together i'm confident that we can work together we should overstep our differences and hey i'm not looking for a merging of the parties i don't want us to get together in one party i just want to cooperate in the political fraction in a political group in the european parliament i believe that in any institution certainly one that claims to be democratic you need a balance of power you need countervailing powers you need only not only europhiles but you also need you were skeptical about this and where the party of mrs le pen the party of mr farris ukip the party off in austria the f.b.i. and sweden we have all one thing in common we won't have more powers through all national capital since that of brussels we want must suffer n.t.
and we want to be stronger economically and we want to have our own foreign policy and not a foreign policy dictated by commission us whether it's in the ukraine or anything else that we have not the elect it's crazy that we have commissioned us in charge that nobody elected in the netherlands i mean it's like it could it does almost we should get it back our powers and i believe that we will be able to work together but i can only prove it of course after the election not today but here's the other thing and moderate stance will most probably still. dominate the polls so won't they anti-air threat encourage them to or closer to resist your influence. you know they are pro european already afraid they are getting nervous see that we are getting popular day by day that millions of europeans will fold against the euro falls and well perhaps you remember years ago we had
a referendum in france and in the netherlands on an island about the european constitution that then came into effect and well they try to make scare people make them afraid they said well without the european union you will lose your job we will get a wall the lights will go out we have big problems and nothing of that happens in reality and people not fooled by their threats anymore so i think we should work together i think we should we will not bring them any closer than they are today it's one bunch whether you are in the opium bollman today a liberal or christian democrat or a social democrat it's all the same they all want more money more brussels more foreign policy more problems more. transfer of the rides from the national states to brussels and there is now a group of politicians and the group of these millions of european citizens who
want something else and whatever they do they will not be able to change it it's like a room being closed for decades and now somebody opens the window and a fresh wind is entering the window which is very good for the atmosphere in that room and they will not be able to change the course of history i promise you that all right mr willis was great talking to you were talking to garrett welder's dutch politician leader of the party for freedom were talking about whether the e.u. should help ukrainians her in mass and also what's in store for the here opinion after they snail actions in european parliament. that's it for this edition of said next time.
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on our t.v. . i break the news in r.t.e. deadly violence in gulps the south ukrainian port city of odessa as an attempt at a pro we're told me demonstration ends with radicals attacking anti kiev activists throughout the city police say thirty eight people have been killed. meanwhile at least five people were killed as kiev really launches its crackdown on the country's east where people are defying the interim government and demanding greater freedom for their regions. meanwhile. the crisis has sparked a tit for tat blame game in new york as russia and the u.s. biol to find common ground is an emergency meeting at the u.n. security council.
i. welcome you watching r.t. international now our breaking news story and the deadly standoff in ukraine that is now spread to the countryside there have been dozens of fatalities and scores of injured people in the country's biggest port city of odessa which had been relatively peaceful following february's coup in kiev these are the latest pictures from the local t.v. stations there from outside the trade unions building where supporters of greater autonomy have been forced out after trying to seek shelter there a thousand strong more besieged the building thirty eight people have been killed according to police some of the victims died after jumping after the windows as witnesses say others were shot we are told scores of injured people have been seen lying in the streets crying for help also at the same time mass men in black
clothes have been seeing threatening people on the streets with. the attack is a mostly for. members of far right groups but let's discuss the theory and situation so botha senior lecturer in international relations at moscow state university thank you very much for coming into the studio this evening we gave a quick rundown of events there what's your interpretation of what happened by all accounts it's a very grim situation on the ground and we do have competing narratives coming out from both sides but what seems to have happened is there have been competing protesters you know for the last few months we have seen street battles of these feuding political militias i think is the best way to called but this is the first outbreak of really deadly violence that we have seen it started out when a group of these anti porch protesters which had set up
a tent camp in the area of the trade building in downtown odessa were attacked by a mob of mixed this ultra nationalists including the right sector ultra nationalist alliance football fans violent fans of the local football team and what started out the day at least by what can be described as peaceful probe putsch protesters they set upon the camp and. very quickly violence broke out riot police largely stayed out of it they briefly tried to separate the two sides but the violence descended into all out conflict we saw pictures of pensioners on both sides throwing stones and beating each other with makeshift clubs both sides throwing molotov cocktails reports of and
some footage of people. with guns on both sides the. anti porch protesters sought to take shelter inside the trades union building there was an attempt by the porch mob to storm the building it partially succeeded they set fire to the rest of the building which trapped the. some of the workers who were in the trade union building. a larger part that were. protesters inside the reports are that thirty eight people have died thirty of them from smoke inhalation or being burned alive inside the building. among eight of those which reportedly jumped out of the windows and some of those that jumped out of the windows were then set upon by the pro porch mob outside and then beat to
death i'll just stop you there because we have got a harrowing eyewitness accounts of what you've just described we can now listen to a member of the logo of the local pro autonomy group this is what he told us. well if you look who's the one policeman died after being injured by right sector radicals who came today to a desk there were over a thousand of them wouldn't they wanted to hold a rally here for united ukraine and march towards our tent camp we knew beforehand of this provocation so some of our brigades met them as they were making their way to us that's when these cultural radicals began throwing molotov cocktails and rocks and started to fight with our guys but our teams were able to stand them off and stop them seeing all their attempts were fruitless they opened gunfire that's how one of our guys and a policeman were killed these radicals were trying to get to our orthodox outpost where many people come to pray for the bear could soldiers lost their lives on my
done if you were ready to fight to lead and. he mentioned that locals predicted that this was going to happen. ok so we know that some of these pro porch mob that attacked were locals but we also know that a large part of them were brought in from the rest of the country we know this from for two reasons one because we have reports from the local police chief as early a week ago talking about them being vost these radicals being bussed into odessa and that they were not welcome or wanted and would only lead to an escalation of the situation secondly the right sector itself announced that they were sending forces to odessa and to hark off where we have also seen street violence in the past few days in order to in their words restore order meaning the order of this
push regime to force it on the people of odessa so we know that a large portion of them at least were not from odessa itself but will we see a situation rapidly the valving into these feuding political militias. clashes based on identity based on politics religion culture and it's becoming a balkan style situation with if not neighbor against neighbor then at least countrymen against countries i mean what you're describing met and russia has pointed this out in recent weeks the country is on the brink of civil war we have that going too far to say no no not at all and it would be very deceiving very hard to see how the situation doesn't ask. further from here on top of the thirty eight people that died within the building we know that there are reports that a further further three people perhaps one of them
a policeman died in the actual street clashes some of one of them reportedly by gunfire another two by being beaten to death by opposing side. sides and this is exactly what the russian government has been warning about basically for months now certainly since the events of the porch on february twenty first and twenty second they have been warning that this devolution based on this extreme government violently seizing power would divide the country and it really all goes back to the decision by the european union and the united states to try to make this european union association agreement make the ukraine. make a quote civilizational choice and when you have a divided country on this whether you want to call it divided in terms of ethnicity
language or perhaps best described as identity. one being pro russian the other one being either extremely ethnic nationalist or pro european union this is the inevitable result and russia has been warning about this for months now let's just talk about sloviansk because hours before these deaths the rouer number of deaths three i believe when. kiev sent in the troops that are trying to counter. the protest is. now we understand the people that hunkering down and expecting another assault from the government what do you anticipate could happen as a saving or do you think things might be averted because they might have same orse happen now in a decimal say you know what we should hope. we would all hope that that would be the situation however it seems more likely to me that this puts regime or attempt
to double down and try to salvage a victory there under intense pressure political pressure from the ultimate nationalists on the ground in kiev who threatened earlier this week in riots that broke out in kiev altar nationals riots with a torchlight march reminiscent of the one nine hundred thirty s. germany through the city demanding that the putsch regime take definitive action to . assert its control over the east of the country and with this pressure that's on them to do something it seems likely that they will further attempt incursions into say that but we've been hearing today also from barack obama i think we can just hear a sound bite from earlier where he actually said he believes in kiev government had to show restraint up until now. one of the biggest concerns that we've seen is the russian propaganda that has been. blasted out nonstop
suggesting somehow that the a korean government is responsible for the problems in eastern ukraine the ukrainian government has shown remarkable restraint throughout this process. restraint yeah well of course this is. actually american propaganda littered with incredible hypocrisy and double standards because president obama and the rest of the us foreign policy establishment weren't making such statements about the rights of government to use force to restore law and order of a few months ago when they were supporting a violent arm the putsch against the government that was in now that that government is is in power however illegitimate they are supporting it and saying that it alone has the right to use violence to assert its control over the people of east and south ukraine and what we haven't seen what we've seen from this regime
in kiev is not restraint but complete inability. it doesn't control its own armed forces to a large extent we have seen them issue repeated orders to military security service leaders to use deadly force against the protesters in south and east ukraine and repeatedly they have denied orders some of them have defected openly they have turned over their weapons to the people again and again so it's not restraint it's inability to get their security forces to use force against their own people and the government has responded with a purge after purge of the military the police and the security forces and increasing attempts to form these paramilitary forces this brownshirt national guard the use of the right sector restructuring the military forces so that the
majority of them around slovyansk are composed of western ukrainians not from the area who are more willing to use force against the people from use your mom will just leave it. will come back to you in a few minutes time because it will be interesting to hear the way forward on what might happen next but as we say we'll come back and a few minutes time but that's about it as an election for international relations at most case state university with his insight. meanwhile as we reminded you really are the situation is still tense in the eastern city a civilian scare where earlier today at least three ukrainian troops into self defense fighters were killed that after kiev launched a military assault to take back the area from anti-government protesters the city in the donetsk region has a population of just over one hundred thousand and is now blockaded with people unable to evacuate the area.
i as you can see here crowds of desperate locals have been trying to prevent ukraine's military hardware from advancing by simply standing in the way but the troops didn't seem that concerned the operation which kicked off at dawn came from both ground and air fighter helicopters were sent to rove the skies over civilians but two were gunned down by the self-defense forces the ukrainian army decided to halt the air raids following following the crashes. and this footage appears to show the injured pilot after his helicopter came down if you can see the self-defense fighters going to his aid despite your fact of being sent to fight against them one of the activists says the man was abandoned by his own people. when the second helicopter was shot down we wanted to get closer but decided to save the first pilot he was abandoned by his own people they came up to him and
took away his gun. well activists across ukraine southeast have been demanding a referendum to split from kiev for months now they've also been saying that they want the rights of the russian speaking ukrainians to be respected and they fear be extremist threat within the interim government meanwhile reports claim an armed unit of people dressed in the uniform of the right sector is just side. just to remind you who the right sector actually are the armed group has been involved in attacks on ukrainians in the along with the army however the government doesn't have full control over the radicals they have already come out against the new rulers several times despite helping them to power during the violent coup in february and support a sleigh and i reports they are once again ready for action against their fellow countrymen. are hearing reports that members of the right six to have arrived
via helicopter we're being told they're heavily armed and that they have the uniforms of the right sector so that is how they are being easily identified as you can well imagine tensions are running high it's taken us about four hours to actually enter the town it is completely closed all few have barricaded and checkpoints at every single entrance and exit at the same time this is a town that is in lockdown the ukrainian military has completely surrounded it we're hearing from the ukrainian defense ministry that two of its pilots have been killed their words something between two and four helicopters that were downed earlier this morning we haven't been able to verify the numbers talking to the self-defense units they say that one of their members has been killed at the same time we're also hearing from the ukrainian authorities that at least ten checkpoints have been captured now protesters have been building barricades around them they've been reinforcing them with sandbags at the same time locals of those town have been coming forward to offer themselves as human shields trying to build
a lot barricades and a way to. you see she said and so i hold the attackers as long as possible so we had defending our city we don't want to let these bloody present k.t.s. come in we want an end to this crime against humanity in the southeast for how long do we have to be afraid children and the elderly and the old people and the veterans who are ready to take their crotches and fight for their children now the city is calm we're hearing sheeting from the periphery this is a city where this this situation is extremely tense and where people oppa pairing for further on sort of by the ukrainian army. but of course we all follow events in ukraine very closely indeed and we'll bring you the latest updates as we get them. bring you are more on the situation in ukraine and the reaction to it from the international community just after this quick break.
hello there welcome back now the fate of ukraine and its eastern regions has been debated at an emergency session of the u.n. security council. in new york with more. two hour meeting a second one conducted this week a thirteenth meeting on the ukrainian crisis this friday it was called by russia an urgent session to discuss the latest unraveling chaos on the ground of course and traditional for now in this crisis blame game can continue between the united states and the west and russia certainly the u.s. continues to blame russia for events unraveling on the ground blaming at
a for trying to allegedly get in the way of ukraine's sovereignty russia however said it called for this meeting today urgently because of the increased military ization by the government against its own people russia has said that these are very dangerous steps that could lead to harsh consequences and call that a criminal misadventure of the latest events that have been unraveling in ukraine take a listen to russia's ambassador to the u.n. your reason william q we cooled as well as those who signed the geneva agreement the u.s. and the e.u. not to make horrible mistakes and so be assessed the possible outcome of that action. the west to reject its destructive policy with respect to ukraine we'll search above those who took power in kiev to immediately stop them publishing go peroration and any other violence against they were people to free political prisoners and allow freedoms for journalists to join the russia has also said that it's time for the west to stop toying with the situation in ukraine and talk to
people in kiev instead of telling continuously russia to where and how to have its own troops on its own territory of course back and forth ensued between the u.s. and russia and the meeting did end with russia calling for all sides and the international community to try to continue to stick with the agreement to halt all violence on the ground. meanwhile the german chancellor angela merkel and the u.s. president barack obama held a press conference in washington and they said russia has violated international rule over ukraine and warned more sanctions could come if the situation deteriorates the gametes again has details now from washington d.c. president obama talked about six toral sanctions against russia the leaders mentioned energy talked about diversifying europe's energy supply as president obama said the u.s. has approved the export of u.s. natural gas he said the trade agreement that the u.s.
and europe are now negotiating will make energy cooperation easier if the u.s. has been trying to push europe's largest economy germany to sign off on harsher sanctions against russia at least to put the threat on the table the german leader although verbal ie critical of moscow and of putin has previously shown reluctance to do that considering the fact that the sanctions could have on german economy and on the economy of europe as a whole provides a third of europe's energy german and russian companies have joint projects so german business is urged to halt on sanctions against russia and chancellor merkel most probably delivered that message to washington and here's what president obama said about the russian energy and possible sanctions we're looking at a whole range of issues. energy flows from russia to europe. those continued even the in the midst of the cold war at the height of the cold war so the idea that you're going to turn off the tap. on all russian
oil or natural gas exports i think is unrealistic president obama showed support for kiev crackdown on the protests in the east of ukraine he called it kiev's move to restore order and angle merkel simply did not talk about it she just said she would like to see elections carried out in may from president obama again we heard nothing but praise for the government in kiev at one point he said the duly elected government in kiev and apparently skipping the fact that ukraine's elected president was overthrown and the ukrainians have not yet had the chance to elect their government again the us president dismissed the whole protest in the east this sponsored and controlled by russia and put the responsibility for deescalating on moscow alone. let's go back to our breaking news story and a deadly standoff in ukraine that has now spread to the country south there have been dozens of fatalities and scores of injured people in the country's biggest port city of odessa which had been relatively peaceful following february sixth in
kiev these are the latest pictures we're getting from local television from outside the trade unions building where supporters of greater autonomy have been forced and after trying to seek shelter there a thousand strong more besieged the building thirty eight people have been killed that's according to police and some of the victims died after jumping out of the windows as witnesses say others were shot we're told scores of injured people have been seen lying in the street crying for help and at the same time masked men in black clothes have been seen threatening people on the streets with machine guns the attackers are mostly believe a football ultras joined by members of far right groups remarks about a senior lecturer in international relations at moscow state university is here with me now to discuss the situation in ukraine thanks very much for popping back into the studio to questions virtually what you anticipate will happen in a desk over the next twenty four hours and also. you know. i would expect that the
majority of the people will take a step back after tonight's violence there will be some shock and there will be a reassessment however the right surtur forces perhaps other radical groups that are in the city will only see it as an excuse to act further so while most of the forces on both sides will step back we can see the extremists may attempt further actions yet this evening or tomorrow. with regard to the situation in slavyansk what you think will happen there because people there are anticipating another assault by government forces tonight yeah i i don't think we will. a full scale assault on the city that would be my guess the government this puts regime in kiev simply hasn't shown the capacity to muster the forces for most all of the statements of the regular army the ukrainian army stationed around from what
we have heard from on the ground reports are that they will not enter the city they still refuse to use force against the people of the city that they will maintain a cordon around the city which they are attempting to draw ever tighter to prevent transit in and out of the cd which includes food medical supplies and the like but we can expect i think to see raids conducted by s.b.u. security service units and by members of the national guard in the right sector and briefly the statements we've heard coming out of washington today and from america following this press conference is just think the tone of their comments will change given that over forty people have died in ukraine over the last twenty four and i don't expect their comments will change i think they will grow increasingly schill shrill and trying to point the finger at russia out of desperation at the valving situation meanwhile the pressure on russia will continue to grow with the
body count racking up people in east and south ukraine and the russian people will be increasingly asking how many people have to die before russia steps in and stops this push regime from killing its own people any further thank you very much we do have to leave. the lecture for international relations moscow state university. will be back in half an hour the latest from ukraine up next though is that people of l. and crosstalk. jeffrey chapman from kansas is going on trial for murder but he is very afraid of jury prejudice is it because the jury is full of racists or has some sort of vested interest in seeing him get locked away no it is because he is a giant tattoo on his neck of the word murder written backwards wiser and backwards
so he could read it in the mirror. nowadays we live in a total culture of almost complete entitlement so naturally chapman wants to leave jail on a special trip to a tattoo parlor to get the ugly ink changed or removed yeah because he did something stupid to his appearance now it is the obligation of the government to help him fix the problem he created often on these opinion pieces i am very critical of the government but this time the man is totally right you can't just take everyone on special trips across town so they can look good for their trial it isn't the state's fault that he has the word murder on his neck the prosecutors even said that chapman that it would be ok if he covered it up with something like a stylish curve for dapper turtleneck sweater it is not the job of the government to help you get rid of your very stupid and very incriminating debt to a fascist my opinion.
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glow in welcome the ground for all things considered i'm people of the arab spring but never was almost four years on it would appear that people's revolutions in the middle east have actually only empowered the forces of reaction and resulted in extreme repression and violence is the middle east doomed to be ruled by western backed dictators. to cross talk the arab spring i'm joined by my guess that will run down the in london she is a journalist and commentator on arab affairs also in london we have toby cadman he is an international criminal lawyer and serves on the board of the syrian commission for justice and accountability and in norman we cross to joshua landis he is the director of the center of middle east studies at the university of oklahoma right cross talk rules in fact and you can jump in anytime you want to go to you first in london you wrote an article recently egypt comes full circle the end of the arab spring why did you write it and what does it mean. well i've been
following events in egypt for some time i joined a group of lawyers in november that was looking at documenting crimes that occurred during the recent military coup and then following the. targeting of the muslim brotherhood and their supporters we saw a court sentenced five hundred twenty nine people to death many of them sent to you and i as an international lawyer i found the whole process i'm so offensive that i thought that the right to vote no bill would be do we should we still used the term arab spring or arab awakening is that appropriate anymore because if we go across the entire region if there is a lot of tears to say the least. well of course the term arab spring first start was coined by western journalists to describe the did spectacular scale
of movements of protests that swept across the middle east and north africa three years ago now and also to describe the domino effect of those protests effectively affecting one country are after the other in the region and egypt specifically even though the arab spring the so-called arab spring started in tunisia. following effectively the humiliation of a fruit seller by a police woman a vigilante effectively who led this fruit seller to set himself on fire but that self immolation was in fact the expression of frustration at the the series of problems affecting the arab world not least of all and first and foremost you know autocratic rule for decades often in many countries but also endemic corruption lack of opportunity social and economic opportunities and you know the lack of fundamental human rights and egypt has effectively become the focal point to have
this square has become the focal point of the you know hope and optimism but it also has become the country which sums up both disick sess of the arab spring it was swift mubarak was removed in eighteen days and also captures now the failure of the arab spring with effectively the return of a military strongman backed by a corrupt judiciary and indeed a murderous army but it has to be said that the arab spring these are non going process is by no means ended. and it's still going on you know crucially in countries like syria where the civil war is still very you know if you're very much lately go to trial and let me go to joshua judge would you like still live picture america spring arab awakening is it does it resonate with you now considering what we've seen particularly in egypt and i guess also as newbuild pointed out in syria . well it doesn't really anymore and no bill is absolutely right the west gave it
the name of arab spring because the west looked at this through the prism of democracy and it and tried to explain what broke out from tunisia through the rest of the arab world in terms of a desire for dignity and democracy and of course that wasn't a very important part but there was a much larger story which is the economic pressures that nebula pointed out and the growing pains of national definition of coming out of the dynastic empire the ottoman empire and trying to develop some kind of national integrity where the nation the people below would actually be the sovereigns of their own destiny and of their nation to be able to decide what kind of governments we have sort of broken halfway through that and then we've gone to this reaction because in many ways we've seen the crumbling of very weak nation states in libya in syria in
yemen and it's created. it's created great fear throughout the middle east that somehow the arab states are not going to be able to break in to this democratic. fourth wave that so many people hoped it would do because of economic failures failures of political culture and very few people have talked about the political culture side of this and but really i think underneath it all is an economic question of poverty inequality and so forth you know toby if you look at it we could name all the countries but it seems like them most of the elites are still in place the deep state is that it's often referred to you can change the coloration of the landscape but it's still the same people that own the economy and benefit from the economy and not average people. do i think that's right and i think.
sure of is is entirely correct. one of the one of the concerns is. certainly going to work a look at syria and egypt is looking at the economic instability not just trying to. look at it through the prism of democracy but looking at these nations can. we can stabilize long term i mean i spent before many years before the arab spring i spent many many years in bosnia dealing with with many of the same problems. from an accountability perspective and rebuilding a state through economic development and you see the collapse. in bosnia repeating shows that we we haven't learnt very much in how to address many of these problems whether you're looking at it through. a process of
accountability or a person saw of economic rebuilding but it is more that we just don't seem to it joshua pointed out and you put it at the beginning that the arab spring arab awakening this is a western but really what's happened also is that we have political islam on the rise as well added with the lections and this is a complication that the west certainly doesn't understand and there's joshua pointed out maybe there aren't political cultures in place that can adapt to the islamic element with the democratic and secular element this is one of the huge stumbling blocks that we've seen over the last few years well absolutely not just over the last few years but if you look at you know historically western powers have always supported so-called secular governments in syria for example or indeed in iraq and the idea is you put a minority of people in charge of the country and there you divide and rule and that's what's happened you know. fundamentally the make up of most countries in the
middle east following the. first world war when a victorious powers effectively carved up swathes of the middle east and to themselves then and indeed put in place the so-called secular governments now of course part and parcel of the culture of those countries is that they are fundamentally for the vast majority of them muslim majority countries so it's only right that you know people feel a cultural but also religious attachment to that heritage and this of course following the toppling of despots led to the expression of that culture and lead to islamic movement or winning elections and all the more so since you know you have to bear in mind events like the war on terror where you know this led
to america effectively telling autocrats to repress any expression of islam where and muslims became you know potential terrorists across the arab world and the takeover if you like of muslim always movements post arab spring has led to some dissatisfaction in western capital gains if you judge or how much of this is really just the end of the the neo colonial experiment the west has had for this region because this is also a dynamic that's being played out in the bill of. well there is that element that she said that minorities were put in to were given a leg up in every one of the eleven states in particular by the colonial powers and today you see the majority populations trying to overthrow them whether it's the shiites in iraq overthrowing the cinese the sunni arabs in syria overthrowing the alawite and other minorities are we saw in lebanon during the civil war with the
muslims fighting against the christians who had been given the lion's share of power and still today we have palestinians fighting against israelis and jews in for control of palestine so this is a national problem. of who owns the state who really represents the nation that's certainly in the levante and it's much like we saw in eastern europe central europe throughout the first half of the twentieth century where there was such extreme bloodshed we're still seeing it in crimea who are the real crimea is are they russians are the ukrainians are they taught tars and and these national questions have not been decided and in the center of it as you say is political islam and is the question of the enlightenment really is citizenship based on. troops with a big t on god and who are the chosen people who are going to go to heaven or is it based on citizenship of the nation of that everybody is equal within the nation and
that there is still great disagreement about that and we see that in the syrian fighting for example both sides are calling each other calf it unbelievers and not only are they unbelievers but they they don't belong to the nation to syria if they don't believe in the right god and it's very difficult to build a nation when you see the other your opponents your political opposites as people who don't even belong in the country and that i need to civil war joshua let me jump in here and we're going to go to a quick short break and after that break we'll continue our discussion on the arab spring stay with our team.
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welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered peter lavelle to mind you were discussing the arab spring. ok i'd like to go back to the bill in london i think one of the interesting things that happened the last few years in the region is saudi arabia's role in a very reactionary regime and its funding quite
a few people that are just as reactionary in the region and i'm thinking of like the military government in egypt of course we have the civil war going on in syria but this is a big important dynamic as well saudi arabia's new role or growing role in political change. well absolutely and not least of all because saudi arabia is absolutely terrified that to see arab spring happening again that's why it's reacting in the most reactionary and indeed repressive in not trying to protect matter man or interfering not only you know interfering in what's happening around around saudi arabia and other internal affairs of other countries and it has you know. terrified as i said because they've witnessed a swift change that can happen very suddenly in countries and see. despots being toppled almost overnight and that's why it also sought to strengthen
its links with western democracies and seek further help and not least of all in terms of military help it has you know we've seen powers western powers like the u.k. france and indeed america sell vast volumes of weapons to saudi arabia and straighten its business and trade links so if western democrats think that it's the right time to reassure not a critic regime like saudi arabia it really doesn't get disappearance of the arab spring you know tobie it's very interesting because you have this regime in riyadh then you have washington again it's a stressful relationship we're told but nonetheless it continues on so we have western values and we have values coming out of riyadh they don't actually mix very well do they but that's called religion we're told. it's a very interesting way of putting it think probably the relationship is very
similar with my own government here in london. because we can see now that there is because of the steps the saudis have taken in relation to the brotherhood. in that part of the world and a lot of the statements of issued in relation to to egypt in particular and you can see the relationship now with the british government in conducting what's driving called a review of the muslim brotherhood here in r.t. kingdom it is an it is an uneasy relationship but you can still see that the saudis are using their influence on on the western powers it joshua it seems to me that the saudis and the western powers have something in common they don't like to say it publicly but they they would like to do perfectly would prefer to have some kind of or a republican militarism in the middle east states that's more manageable for the two sides that i'm talking about. well they don't know i think the united states is in complete confusion about what it wants in the middle east anymore our main
relationships are with israel and saudi arabia both powers have wanted military leadership in egypt and that's been a driving force in this arab spring and america has fallen in line with them and that has confused there are discourse about democracy entirely and so we begin to look extremely hypocritical there's no doubt about it we're helping we're allied with the most islamist and fundamentalist nation in the middle east and that of course you know so when saudi arabia speaks out against atheism and and other political parties the united states is confused how do you support a pro western element in syrian opposition when saudi arabia is in charge of funding this operation america's not going to fundament supply it so america has really stepped out there confused they've seen syria for example become much more
to ask the recent advances in the north a country by rebels has been led by the know sort of the al qaeda element and and the united states is is for the rebels and yet at the same time it's against al qaida and it doesn't it's completely confused and and that has you know that has i think led to america withdrawing from the region. ok now bill i mean. it's hard to say you know bill look at the outside forces particularly the western powers i mean they drew all these boundaries in the first place have they are acted responsibly because if joshua points out you get very different messages you have democracy promotion but you have to protect israel and then you have saudi arabia which i don't think anybody really knows what to do with anymore because they have enormous wealth in the city of london in the united states and the there is plenty of people in the west just want to turn a blind blind eye to their activities when it's so contradictory almost on every
single front. well yes absolutely and as joshua rightly said what the arab spring did this bring into sharp focus the ambiguous and indeed hypocritical relationship between western governments and the arab world and america's foreign policy in particular is interesting because obama. obama's first and foremost aim is to maintain america's interests in the arab world in particular but he has actually trying to find a balance between achieving that and indeed while actually retreating as much as possible which lead to very muddled policies in the arab world and indeed confused one as joshua said and effectively let to take this quote as we've seen in egypt you know america is still funding the military and effectively supporting
a murderous army and a stable militarized is good for turia shaw is really out libya was the closest that the americans you know intervened in fact and he has led to now a very controversial intervention in a country now ruled by militias which is which are destabilizing not only and threatening. libyan. lives but also lives in other countries in the region and as far as the middle east peace process is concerned van sample palestinian territories are still very much under israeli occupation occupation guards are is more than ever an open air prison and indeed america is not firm at all about you know freezing the settlements illegal settlements which are the major stumbling block to finding a peaceful solution and let's not forget that peaceful. settlement of the middle east process and the resolution of these really palestinian conflict is
also a guarantee for stability and peace in the whole of the region you know joe we have gone so far over the last few years to go eventually nowhere it would seem. but it is quite right and i think both of what to joshua said is completely right when we're talking about back confused politics and capitals not really knowing how to address some of these problems would be looking at syria in particular that you know we have unfortunately very very confused western capitals knowing what to do how to provide support whether intervention is justified. and it has has become a very very difficult situation knowing really what kind of assistance and who can be assisted i mean this is syria is one of the areas where i've spent the
majority of my time not physically obviously working over the last few years and in trying to look at a much more on a on a just a side rather than a political transition just because it is it is very difficult at this stage to have any viable political opposition that can be in place to to implement some form of change and i don't think that we've advanced very far and i think the confused policies of the west has contributed to a lack of a cohesive strategy and here we are no further forward than we were three years ago but there is wide difference josh if i go to you there's one difference and that is the possible reaching out to iran and this is something that we have we've never we haven't seen for what three decades and now we see we have this terrible mess going on in the middle east but we still have some kind of communication with that and i think that's a really interesting irony. well it is that but before i talk about iran let me
jump in and say it's very easy to blame much of what's going on on the west and its confused policies and they certainly have been they have been very contradictory over the decades the but i think it's important to underline that much of this is going to rest with the middle easterners themselves they have to find a way out of this their populations have become too big in many ways this is like. central europe after world war one the great powers drew lines after the empires were destroyed and in europe there were seventeen new nation states after world war one in the middle east there were many as well and the peoples were not reorganized to fit with the national borders that were drawn and what we saw during the second world war is an extremely bloody process in which minorities were destroyed and the great sorting out is what i call that. fitting very important to me
a you thank you for a cast that in the middle east the great sorting out because we are essentially saying ethnic cleansing is happening it is what happening before our eyes it is happening ethnic cleansing and we've seen it go on as as people fight over who's nation it is we are seeing minorities get destroyed in some cases the minorities have become the majority in palestine israel the minority of jews were able to destroy the majority of palestinians and make themselves into the majority and that's what we've been seeing and palestinians have been largely left stateless and and but this process in lebanon in iraq in syria has been going on it's very painful it's very bloody and it's much like what happened in central europe where poland was sixty four percent polish before world war two by the end of world war two almost one hundred percent and czechoslovakia twenty three percent minorities by the end of world war two they had been wiped out the germans said denton's the
jews and so forth and this national building process which is the extraordinarily painful and brutal is taking place in the middle east and there are many losers and i think the west is confused because there is really very little that could do it try to go into iraq and rearrange a power sharing and it failed miserably on that very different things you know josh it would have run out of time many thanks to my guests in london and in norman and thanks to our viewers for watching us here in our d.c. . next time remember. facebook. is a. very
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onwards in france you're watching our team america. we begin with breaking news in odessa southwestern ukraine dozens have been killed in a large fire connected with the unrest there the numbers of dead have been varied by local police tell the associated press that thirty one people are dead after the local trade unions house was set on fire it began in the midst of a standoff between ukrainian government supporters and take care of activists today was marked by violence between entity of protesters and the ukrainian military in fact at least three ukrainian troops and two antic have fighters were killed there after the government launched a military assault on the eastern city of slovyansk which is held by anti-government protesters artist post player reports from their. the word on the street is that the ukrainian army is preparing another advance come tonight a fine day it has people here in the town terrified they think this is going to happen and as a result you have checkpoints like the one where i'm standing at every exit and
entrance of the stone but not only there as you travel around inside just about every road now aims in a road block now sometimes a man and sometimes they just have tractors like this one sometimes they have trees that have been cut down just to close off that road people have been coming forward as human shields i've been talking to a number of women who say they want to be there and use their bodies to defend this city that they love and to stop ukrainian tanks from advancing forward there was also been a call for residents inside the town to remain inside their homes now there have been alarms sounding throughout the day friday most of the roads in the city same time all quiet shops have closed down there are some people moving about it but by and large most people are sitting in their homes watching news develop on their television screens this is a city that is in lockdown the city has been completely surrounded by the ukrainian army and it started with an assault at around five o'clock local time friday morning there were two helicopters that were shot down by the casualty count on the
ukrainian side is two primaries dead one pilot is currently being treated in a hospital not far from where i'm standing and seven ukrainian soldiers have been injured the count on the anti here protesters side is also two people dead and we're hearing that a number have air so been injured i was talking earlier to one of the commanders he says that given that they are so in a quip compared to the ammunition that is at the disposal of the ukrainian army it's a surprise that the casualty count isn't that much higher now russia is demanding that here stop this operation it says it will and needs to be held responsible for what has happened here on friday and at us operation is going to see the country divided. that is something that we are hearing people say that now there's no way back and that essentially the road forward is only a split ukraine it's not only in slab yawns that we've been focusing our attention in the city of adesa thousands of people took to the streets both pro and anti here
they were stones being thrown there was violence we are hearing reports of injuries we've been told that more than ten people have been injured the right sector was among those crowds they were shouting things like hang the jews so worrying developments coming out of a decision on the topic of the white sic to we are hearing reports of the right seat to is inside slavyansk as well so it certainly does seem as if the right sixty is operation that was seen jumping out of a helicopter with uniforms what that white sixty uniforms they were heavily armed and they have people here terrified russian companies are now being banned to fly to do next and hard of course that is the latest news that we are receiving that ban of course being imposed by the ukrainian government at the same time the attack on slavyansk on friday is as i said earlier now setting the scene for further violence and for a country that is going to be divided russia is also calling on the united nations
security council to convene as soon as possible to deal with the situation so as friday night approaches here in eastern ukraine people very tense people very frightened the situation seemingly about to escalate the r.t.e. slovyansk eastern ukraine. and emergency meeting of the united nations security council was convened today over that while and that's rocking eastern ukraine arches and started talking to wraps up the proceedings for us. a two hour meeting of the united nations security council the thirteenth time the council meets on the ukrainian crisis a second time this week the traditional blame game ensued with the u.s. and west blaming russia for the increased chaos and violence in eastern ukraine accusing moscow of lies and militarizing the conflict in the meantime it was russia that called for this session to take place basing the urgency of the meeting on what it called a resuming of military is the sion against its own people by the kiev government citing unraveling events as criminal misadventures that could lead to even more
catastrophic consequences than the violence that has already taken place according to russia the spoken intentions of the cool pointed kiev government valuing to refrain from violence point to hypocrisy as words stand far from deeds this friday at the un russia called for the west to stop toying with the situation instead of telling russia where and how to keep its own troops on its own territory russia again reiterated that it believes the u.s. and e.u. have stood in the way of a peaceful solution to the crisis by stirring events on the ground that escalated each time the visit of a u.s. official took place at the security council the u.s. accused russia of building a case for intervention thinking of truth as peace while moscow chooses seizing more territories while russia says the outbreak of further violence in ukraine needs to stop and returning to the geneva agreements is key to ukraine's representative at the u.n. said events unraveling in eastern and southeastern ukraine are aimed at tackling highly armed militants on the ground and that the only military in the east of the country are russian supporters the meeting wrapped up with russia reminding the
council that forceful change of power always leads to disability the ssion and that russia had suggested a variety of formats for dialogue throughout the crisis and would never deny the implementation of any agreements that have been reached saying that the word lie that the west uses against russia can also be a selective interpretation of one's own position obviously pointing at washington's position and participation in the way a bunch of unravels the security council meeting wrapped up this friday with russia calling for the council to agree that all of its members are interested in the halting of violence as was recently agreed in geneva and i think you're going to r.t. . for more insight into u.s. foreign policy as it relates to the situation in ukraine i want to bring in colonel lawrence wilkerson former chief of staff to secretary of state colin powell. colonel in your opinion what is the best thing for the u.s. to do right now and its own interest and in the interest of ukraine. well it's difficult to answer that question without including the europeans and of course the
members of nato and moscow. but when you put it in the way you did i would say what the united states needs to do in conjunction with moscow and in conjunction with the e.u. and nato is move towards position of neutrality towards ukraine i don't mean crimea but i mean what's left of ukraine crimea i think is a done deal and should be treated as a done deal and should be part of the negotiating posture that the e.u. and nato take with moscow but we need most sides to understand that a neutral you try not one moving towards nato not anytime in the forseeable future moving towards nato and not one wholly under the sway of moscow but one that is left alone to get its act together it's a basket case right now governance wise financial wise economic and trade wise
it needs to be left alone so it can work on its own problems in its own time and more or less become a stable country that's not to say that others can't help it china turkey the united states brazil europe they can give it financial and economic assistance and even sign trade deals but it has to all be done in conjunction with a general appreciation of ukraine's neutrality that's the only way we're going to get out of this without a shooting war that grows ever more larger and causes some real problems well when it comes to neutrality there's been a long time dispute over whether nato could go any further a staff of the end of the cold war now there's an increased presence of the western alliance near the russian border and some talk of ukraine joining nato what is russia to do in a situation like this i don't blame russia i won't say putin because. i don't see putin as the best thing for russia right now but i don't blame russia the
duma for example for applauding what putin has done. the u.s. violation of its promises to go over chop and to yeltsin when gorbachev acquiesced in the reunification of germany for example that nato would not go one inch further east were violated by late in majorly by president clinton and continued to be violated by george w. bush i don't blame russia for its great power instincts to stop it so that's a big part of the negotiating posture both countries ought to take to the united states for example could wind up renouncing the agreement that i believe was announced in tbilisi where we said that we were looking for georgia to have been truly eventually be a member of nato no american is going to die for tbilisi an article five applied to tbilisi would make nato a phony alliance immediately nato is having
a hard time as it is anyway it doesn't have a result d'être anymore since the soviet threat one away and we're desperately trying to find one for it out of our out of area operations being the latest attempt to do so in afghanistan and elsewhere so this is this is a complex problem but it does have answers to it it just requires exquisite diplomacy and a lot of ability on both moscow and washington's part to sort of look at the situation from as i said a nobody wins except ukraine and others who might get caught in this trap in the future and to back off from the great power desire to have more and more people adhere to your philosophy let's face it what the heck is the difference between the philosophy of most countries in the world today when it boils down to making money and getting rich at it's at its root. we have predatory capitalists in china we
have predatory capitalism moscow we have predatory capitalists in washington indeed we have predatory capitalist everywhere in the world so let's back off for a minute and let's everybody just concentrate on making money and not making war well said now are we seeing an american lawmakers american politicians wanting to push for a new cold war does it appear that way to you. i can imagine so when you have luddites like john mccain and others on the floor of the senate pontificating about how the president the united states ought to stand up to president putin and so forth this is all nonsense i would think that almost anyone in the world from beijing to rio de janeiro to moscow would have figured out by now that the united states congress is not someone to listen to when trying to figure out the foreign policy of the united states ok a last question here now and it's no secret that viktor yanukovych had a history of corruption in ukraine and when he was accused of calling out the place
on my down protesters he was demonized by a lot of people saying it was inappropriate to do now the government in kiev is using force against protesters in eastern ukraine calling it anti-terrorist operations and so on the foreign minister sergey lavrov says this is a practice of double standards by western countries and kiev what do you think about this. again we're in the weeds there where in the tactical details which are important for day to day operations perhaps but they don't really matter in the greater scheme of things everyone has some guilt on their side the united states the e.u. ukraine itself. moscow. there is tactical daily current guilt on all sides and i've just admitted that the united states bears a large burden for its expansion of nato we need to forget that we need to push that aside and think about the present and the future and the only way to deal with this situation in order to do that is to achieve some form of neutrality for
ukraine let the conflict calm down tamp it down and then work out some deal if you will that allows ukraine to be neutral and to be independent and do its own thing economically financially and so forth with as i said the good offices in the help of the great powers and others in the world who want to offer it now this is going to happen with other countries too if we're not careful and we need we need to stop this rhetoric that gets so high like that rhetoric on the floor of the u.s. senate and elsewhere and we need to think about this in the terms of we don't want another nineteen fourteen i could see how this could get out of hand rapidly we're talking about two major nuclear powers we're talking about creeping into sanctions that are going to cause tit for tat actions that are going to lead
to more actions and then more actions this needs to stop and it needs to stop very soon and people like john mccain and others on the floor of the u.s. senate and their equivalents in moscow need to stop the rhetoric otherwise they're going to regret it sorely in the future all right so i thank you very much for joining me retired army colonel lawrence focused on. the german government is keep meanings nice and diplomatic for chancellor merkel's first state visit to washington since two thousand and eleven it's blocked edward snowden from giving evidence in person before its parliamentary inquiry into n.s.a. surveillance claiming in a letter to members of that committee that a personal invitation would go against the country's political interests and strained u.s. german relations well as said it it decided to offer snowden a written questionnaire the disagreement led to the resignation in fact of the head of that committee this month for weeks opposition party members insisted snowden appear in person out of concern that russia which gave him asylum could only could
influence his testimony last june the german foreign ministry rejected snowden's application for asylum because it was not submitted in person on german soil but had he been invited as a witness he then could have met those requirements putting pressure on the german government to accept such an application opposition politicians said they plan to challenge the government's veto the n.s.a. scandal has not only presented both chancellor merkel and president obama with political challenges at home but has also wounded personal relations between the leaders today in the rose garden the to address the issue along with the situation in ukraine as united states is trying to push a reluctant germany into harsher sanctions against russia r.t. sam sachs was there and brings us more. the two world leaders spoke to reporters today trying to disguise what's become an increasingly complicated relationship between their two nations chancellor angela merkel arrived at the white house for the first time since two thousand and eleven and she wields more power today and
she ever has and arguably more than any of her recent predecessors that's because as the largest economy in europe and the defacto policymaker in the european union germany is crucial to president obama's push for more sanctions against russia and right off the bat the two leaders made it clear that they will be working together on broader economic sanctions against russia should they be necessary the russian leadership must know that if it continues to destabilize eastern ukraine and disrupt this month's presidential election we will move quickly on additional steps including further sanctions that will impose greater costs i am firmly convinced that the united states of america and the european union need to act in concert here and they have done so in the past and then to continue to do so but the question is can merkel convince germans at home that more sanctions are in order at one point in the press conference president obama told reluctant germans to stop
watching russian t.v. but the biggest opposition is saying since comes from germany's top business leaders who rely on russian markets and are openly pressuring chancellor merkel to switch course still talking about ukraine gives the two world leaders a chance to publicly present a unified stand talking about the n.s.a. does not but they had to still as questions about spying dominated half the press conference merkel is facing heat at home for not responding forcefully enough to the n.s.a.'s activities in germany lawmakers in germany want the u.s. to agree to a no spy treaty with them but president obama said that. no such truly exists with any nation and both he and chancellor merkel admitted that resolving the n.s.a. fiasco or require more work in the future we do not have a blanket no spy agreement with any country. with any of our closest partners
what we are doing with the germans as we're doing with the french as we do with the british or the canadians or anybody is to work through. what exactly. the rules are governing the relationship between each country because. this is at least ten times you know that the situation is such that we have a few difficulties we have to a kind of i so this is why there's going to be this time. because there's an audience and it's real to me actually because this is also why they have it you need to be and but have to be more than just business as usual now before chancellor merkel returns back to germany she'll meet with the u.s. chamber of commerce and make a pitch for a new transatlantic trade agreement that's really the one issue on the agenda that she president obama and their business allies at home can see eye to eye on but don't expect any breakthroughs here either as trade deals have stalled in
respective legislatures over concerns with handing too much power off to corporate interests so photo ops in ongoing dialogue happening at the white house today but both leaders acknowledge that a lot of work is still left to be done. the white house in washington d.c. sam sachs arts. school children in the united states are more medicated for mental health issues than ever before according to the centers for disease control among children aged six to seventeen seven point five percent are on some sort of prescribed medication for emotional or behavioral troubles the study also found that children from poor family. were more likely to be medicated than well to do children and that boys are more frequently as prescribed psych meds than girls joining me to talk about this is dr galina midline assistant clinical professor at the mt sinai health system she's also the author of your playlist can change your
life. dr marilyn the study took the information from parents of seventeen thousand children these children were showing difficulties with emotions concentration behavior or with even getting along with others could these kids be misdiagnosed or is there a rise in the number of children with legitimate emotional difficulties or is it that now we just have the medical technology to finally treat these problems so we might as well use it what is it. i think the thing you. know is this is the key and when the parents are young adults they would know it says that something is going on the emotional difficulties story in the bill it's a constant very i think the souce the c.e.o. the child psychologist child because that i diagnose is the key well i think the emotional disturbances are on that iris and the prescribe the medication psychotropic medication sometimes could be that those. which are.
implemented but i think we all need to be aware of that or so many other therapists that are available in technologist based acknowledges therapists as they like to call behavioral therapy cognitive behavioral therapy group therapy and mindfulness a very colorful to children to start with again stimulants could be of their gold standard for. that or but if we can start with behavioral therapy and understand where those behavioral disturbances coming from that would be the key do you think there is a possibility that pharmaceutical companies are pushing for doctors to overprescribe these children that may or may not have a legitimate behavioral issue. well i think pharma company and this is the job i'm in this. beautiful marketing tool i mean i can be sometimes a bit pushy but again i think it's up to the parents
a young adults and to see the professional they feel as though they know what is the problem and the choice and actually be aware of that again you know new technology. news that our puter dollars mention mindfulness their lexical behavioral therapy are available so not only with medications that are on the market which might be the cue of course of somebody who suffered from severe emotional disturbance ok so there's not just this medical medication quick fix there's also the longer term stuff the fair a-p. that brings me to my next question you know the study also found that children from poor families are more likely to be on meds and boys more than girls why do you think might this be well i mean is that distinctly boys more often than the girls especially with attention deficit disorder with. their this is why
boys in terms of the police a male a i think unfortunately maybe in some on the sort of area that parents would very well aware of the autumn adal it's a sort of veil a ball is i mention. this mindfulness vice you bag this is maybe why the media becomes the truest because i mean that's just the fast fix them and stimuli of that as it begins with somebody who can sleep a little is anxious but in fact ideally hope all therapeutic model to serve at the base model is this would be available so the medications my month of the. ok well this is the worrying part about the possibly the over medicated children another study just released shows that kids and young adults who are niche initiating therapy with antidepressants especially at high levels are seeing a higher risk of self harm now is this because of their state of mind before hand their mental state beforehand or do the drugs play a role well i think that it was
a warning before when a bit of. harm but again if somebody is suffering from severe mental disturbance for example the bipolar disorder or depression so this is the psychotic those that are there doesn't have a choice this would be the best way to goal it given them in their words some cases within these and so farm while prescribing answer depressants it's usually children we're not talking about the doll stuff the t.m. so there are some cases that is this is sensitive skimming through so far but again i think you. wait pros and cons really make the decision with. sources that is very important all right thank you very much dr galina mendel an assistant clinical professor at the mt sinai health system thank you phil.
well the whiz kid is back everybody you remember the teenager who got arrested for taking a bathroom break into a reservoir which supplies drinking water to the city of portland oregon well it looks like he's caused a new kind of water feature that's right but let's back up a little bit in the early morning hours of april seventeenth a security camera caught eighteen year old dallas de lynn you're a native into a reservoir through an iron fence the city administration was so worried over the apparent pollution that it had decided to flush the thirty eight million gallons of water into the sewers at a cost of one hundred seventy five thousand dollars but after a change of heart and negative test for contamination officials have decided not to flush the water instead it'll be moved to a nearby empty reservoir as part of an experiment to see if the city's reservoirs can be used as water features in parks after their phased out of use in two thousand and fifteen the city's plan is to watch the water and see how long they
can keep it clear free of algae and teen urine and why boom bust is coming up here on our t.v. aaron joins us for a quick preview hey there aaron thanks lindsay now coming up on us to the bureau of labor and statistics released job numbers today and it looks like unemployment here in the u.s. has plunged we look into what the latest numbers tell us about the economy was it the end of the week which means it's viewer feedback day here on boom bust we're feeling audiences questions comments and concerns also throughout the week i live on today's show it's all coming up so stay tuned sounds great thanks a lot ira thanks that does it for now for more on the stories we covered go to youtube dot com forward slash r t america check out our website r t dot com forward slash usa can also follow me on twitter ellen de france stay tuned coming up next.
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looks like job creation kicked into high gear this april as u.s. job growth increased at its fastest pace in more than two years and jobless rates plunged to the lowest level since the collapse of lehman brothers now the labor department released job numbers on friday morning and nonfarm payroll jobs increased by two hundred eighty eight thousand last month that was the largest gain since january of twenty twelve and beat wall street expectations revised march and february data showed thirty six thousand more jobs than previously reported household spent more in the first quarter as well as manufacturing began to accelerate helping explain why large manufacturing companies such as ford have started taking on new workers now the figures support the fed's view that the
economy is gaining momentum. and indicate that the fed will continue trimming the stimulus the increase in employment was broad based with construction companies adding the most workers in three months still the report did give some troubling signals on the economy's help while the unemployment rate fell to five and a five and a half year low of six point three percent part of that decline was because hundreds of thousands of people left the labor force altogether now overall however the data suggested that the economy was gathering strength then stocks rose following the release of the report on friday morning treasury yields climbed and the dollar jumped to session highs against the euro and the yen fed policymakers said the economy is showing signs of picking up and that the job market is improving now the fed's open market committee trimmed its monthly alsa of buying to forty five billion dollars it's the fourth straight ten billion dollar cut and said that further reductions in measured steps are likely as always we'll be watching
and keeping you posted on all the latest. you can it is a physicist author and bloomberg views columnist now he writes about economics and what physics meteorology and the natural sciences can teach us about economics fifteen to twenty years ago he was an editor with the international science journal nature and ended up reviewing a lot of the work submitted by his peers and applying the laws of physics to economics of finance and the markets since then he has been increasingly drawn into finance and markets and has published two books in the field now i started by asking him what a probability distribution is take a look at what he had to say ok probability distribution we faced there's lots of events that are uncertain so you're going to leave the studio tonight and you're going to walk up the street and the first person you encounter will be you know of
a certain height you can't predict what their pipes going to be it's a it's a probabilistic chance event. so to characterize what you will expect that to be you say well the average may be you know five to six feet with some fluctuations around that you know maybe six inches tall or six inches shorter in a really rare event maybe they'll be a seven foot or who comes along. and there's to a bit of mathematics that characterizes what is called the normal distribution which is a kind of very smooth distribution about an average and applies to lots of things in the world such as the heights of people or the weights of people or the size of a basketball next basketball you can see size of a cat whatever it might be you know mark what is the excuse me is it that the galaxy a normal distribution also known as the bell curve most people know it is that is a poor representation of how events in markets are just repeated is that a poor representation of bell curve. it's a bit it is a poor representation especially for the extreme events so. most days in the market
are pretty ordinary days prices just move a little bit up or down that's you know that the bell curve has a peak at zero which is like no change at all that's the most likely thing to happen sometimes it goes up sometimes goes down but the most likely thing is going to be something around zero. so the bell curve does a pretty good job when it's ordinary times and things aren't changing very much a little bit up a little bit down it's in the special times when things change a lot it turns out that the bell curve fails entirely so that says really big changes say a price change of ten percent in one day she'd only happen maybe once every hundred years it turns out they happen a lot more frequently than that because the statistics of the market markets just don't work to the tune of the bell curve people don't make their decisions independently and the price movement isn't just the contribution of lots of independent factors there are factors that are one factor causes another which influences another and this leads to these really large scale extreme events that
can happen very quickly so that's why the bell curve is ok in ordinary normal times but it really fails us in the extreme events which happen to be much more frequently hitting us than the bell curve would suggest they should right now i want to talk about this you wrote a book called ubiquity about distribution is observed in nature and events like forest fires and earthquakes like you mentioned in our interview but can you tell me about the power law distribution first of all power law is a great name for it so i want to hear more about this specifically. right there the power law it's a really hard thing to describe because the reason it's called a power law has to do with some technical mathematics and nomenclature. what the essential thing about a power law which which makes it really interesting to physicists is that it says if you feel if you find this mathematical pattern in a certain set of data whether it's about forest fires or requests or market movements whatever it is it says to you that there's nothing there's no inherent
scale or preferred scale to the events that happen in that system the process that generates forest fires or earthquakes or market fluctuations isn't designed to give you an average size around a short or sure. interval it's designed to give you this huge variation in sizes over this enormous range in a sense it doesn't it doesn't have a preferred scale and when you find things like that from a physicist perspective it's very interesting to try and try to start understanding where do these things come from how can a process be like that where it doesn't tend to give you any typical size gives you this this huge range of different things so that's where the where this power law idea comes from and as you mentioned yes it's it is one of the most ubiquitous and that's the reason i chose that title for the book patterns that we see in the world around us we grew regroup very used to the normal statistics and gaps in statistics
that mathematicians had worked out centuries ago but i'd say about one hundred years ago sixty years ago people really started noticing that these power laws and these these distributions that go with the huge range of scales are everywhere in the world if you look at the size of craters on the moon you find that kind of distribution if you threw some rocks at the wall and cross them up you'll find there's a few big chunks there's an intermediate number of intermediate sized chunks there's lots of dust and debris at the tiny scale again the results range over this huge range of scales out and comes out of a very natural process so interesting i want to ask you how our power law distribution is related to outcomes we have served in the financial markets ok so i mentioned before the the fat tail distributions so. the bell curve is this nice curve that goes down to zero in the extremes which means so this is the size of the event and this is the likelihood of you going to find it so events that are smaller
are very likely events that get bigger and bigger are very unlikely and the bell curve goes down and very quickly and says that it's just not going to happen maybe once every hundred years or a thousand years or you can see this ten percent or bigger change in them in the market. the fat tail distribution which is the which is the power of law they're the same thing it isn't like the bell curve it's like it's much more like this it goes off very gently and so way out here on the tables it says those big changes the ten percent change in the market isn't very unlikely after all in fact if you're going to see one once a year or once every two or three years and so that's what the power law is it says this fat tail of extreme events is actually much more likely than we would have thought it was is this kind of the subject matter and themes discussed in nassim taleb black swan the idea that you know these these outliers these things on the outskirts are more common than we think we have to care for them. absolutely so
this this research has been going around for it's been building for forty fifty years so you know when i wrote ubiquity fifteen years ago or twelve years and i guess it was about fifteen years ago i was trying to capture. the emergence of this idea in science and talent i think brilliant book with his his own style of. energy in language that really captured that idea so the black swan is one of these extreme events that is actually perfectly normal it's an expected event the natural world and not markets or natural systems they produce those events and we shouldn't really be surprised by them now can you tell me about the fingers of instability and the critical state what they do is they start doing experiments with the with the sand pile so they take a table and they start dropping grains of sand one by one drop of grain let it come to rest proper grain drop a grain after a while you course you get a mound that builds up. and they keep going drop the grain see what happens
eventually the grains start triggering avalanches that go you know short distance or further down the pile sometimes a big avalanche knocks half the pile off the table and what they did is over time studied the size of the apple. and that gets caused by the next single grain that's dropped on the pile and then what they found is that this this pile organizes to what they called a critical state which is a state of kind of extreme and permanent. instability or it's on the threshold of always being unstable and the distribution of these avalanches turns out to be so these fat tails just like earthquakes just like forest fires or market fluctuations so that was a physicist and author mark peek at on. time now for a very quick break but stick around because when we return we're bringing you the best of the very best from this past week plus edward harrison and i are tackling your viewer feedback in our weekly accrued interest segment and as we head to
a quick break here are a look at some of your closing numbers of the belles to ground. nothing has been done this complex by the military since world war two. this is portrait we have historical terms the berlin airlift it reverse. course and so forth seven go down to the bottom some load shifts on take off cause you're going to become stable while you're talking really billions of dollars to move billions of dollars worth of equipment at what point use the force no longer worth your dress. for. washington well it's a miss the trees being stressed getting the latest numbers in the media and the prophecy of current issues that actually back to me doesn't do too much for ad
revenue my own tech culture giant teeth on a seventy six year old american farmer in studio fallout do you think this is going to be a for the cia do you think this is what's triggering the break down to some artistic comedy in the world it's also the largest debtor nation in the history of the prettinesses that is mostly an alternative to the status quo but one might give real alternatives to the points and working toward the american dream the next they were just trying to survive it's time for americans and lawmakers are forced to wake up and start talking about the real causes a problem. welcome back to the show now it's the end of the week and it's our best of the best segment and we're bringing you highlights from the best interviews over the past week now
first up is economist james gall breath professor of government at the university of texas now he's talking about thomas thomas piketty his solution to income inequality discussed in pickaninnies new book at the moment capitalism in the twenty first century i know you've all heard of it and then we have a promise don boudreaux now boudreau is former chair of the economics department at george mason university and a leading advocate of public choice theory he gives us his take on picotee as well and afterwards boudreau as colleague professor brian kaplan gives us his impassioned view on the need for an open immigration policy we also have stephen kinzer law from the university of limerick in ireland now he tells us that a lot of what's going on with european sovereign bonds is about investors chasing yield and not fundamentals and finally we have mark chandler the head of currency strategy at brown brothers harriman i and our go to guy for everything in the f.x. markets now he schools us on time frames and currency trading and purchasing power
parity take a look. proposal is for a annual tax on capital well. i find that personally i find that quite problematic i don't know quite how you go about appraising capital wealth on a on that annual basis how your book go about capturing wealth that is by what cross countries. and it strikes me that the effect of the ripples was basically to depress capital asset prices which i'm not sure why that is a reasonable economic objective i savor instead progressive income taxes reduction of loopholes and exemptions and a stiff tax which is something without one can impose once praise all upon death basically. and that gives an enormous incentive for charitable distributions before death which is i think really the effective way of getting large fortunes divided up and back into circulation in a socially useful fashion that's the way that we do this in the united states and
everybody who goes to a university or to a hospital is a beneficiary of that system now you say you like a tax on income opposed to an annual tax on basically capital wealth can you differentiate between income and capital wealth how would you do that well very simply and the income tax is something we've had in this country since one nine hundred seventeen everybody knows how it works there were elaborate rules you report you read come in you you pay a tax according to a table capital wealth is. your stocks your bonds the value of your property i don't know what other household assets you would put into that maybe the value of your artwork appraising that on an annual basis would be exceptionally complicated and it overlooks the fact that the very wealthiest people know where the cayman islands are so that it's not as though you would have complete access to their records and the event the premise seems to be that there is this natural tendency in capital societies for wealth to accumulate in fewer and
fewer hands or in smaller and smaller portions of the population and that this is a danger because if that happens then the people who are in the lower echelons of the population will feel dispossessed and they may they may. revolt one of the complaints they have so far about the book if you dress that later is that he's also in addition to being insensitive to public choice concerns he's also insensitive he's also bolivia's to what happens to be absolute living standards of people at the bottom so it may be that you get you become ten times richer than me but if my absolute living standard is increasing if my. i will share my story mice my prosperity is higher in absolute sense or i'm better off if frankly if i'm better off i see no reason why i should complain about about your wealth as long as you can steal it from me first of all i think it is it is the way that we treat
foreigners is unjust also with us wanting to say that we shouldn't have to go and give charity to foreigners we shouldn't we shouldn't have to go and send the welfare checks i agree with that but to say that it's ok for americans to prevent say for know from getting a job from american from an american player wants to hire him this is seems to me to be no better than a jim crow laws where you say blacks are allowed to be hired by certain kinds of employers. if there is a worker wants to work an employer wants to employ him aas this seems unjust to me too for the law to say no sorry you're not one of the right country you chose the wrong parent so you can't take that job i'll send now of course if doing the right thing would be incredibly costly i would go i can understand why people would want to do it alla the other next key part of the argument is if you really look at all the social science on immigration the cost of doing the right thing the cost of treating foreigners justly is really us nothing i mean the main thing to remember is that it's our standard of living depends on production and what immigration laws do is trap people and poor countries where they produce at only
a very tiny fraction of their full potential so we think about how little you could accomplish if you lived in haiti right so there are dysfunctional countries where even very talented people can't get much done for a long list of reasons where is just moving to a country that works better yet we see that people can drastically increase their earnings you know typical haitian comes to the us can get a raise about two thousand percent very quickly and it's often employed american players arse are nicer than haitian employers so that a haitian in america can accomplish so much more than a haitian haiti now this is of course no this is great for the haitian by my point in terms of like what would it actually cost us to be just is that it's also great for americans because americans consume the stuff that the haitians are there that the haitians may be looking at there is going. we're not looking at people making a sound decision on the base so irish macroeconomic fundamentals it's a good news story for arnold but the real reason that it's happening is people are chasing deal to the low inflation low interest rate environment they want to refer
to sovereign debt and are looks the least risky and that's what's driving the yields john it's not necessarily on the back for our policies well it's obviously welcome don't we don't borrow it or that it doesn't cost us as much to borrow we're still garren quite a bit. at the end of the day i don't think necessarily it's an indicator that we're in route health it's more of an indicator that what's happening to us at the moment is laura laura evidence of the international financial market currencies that say that short term things i look at four or five kind of somebody asked me where i'm going to take asia europe i want to lock in some euro's now what should i look at i'm going to you know so what do i look i think short term phenomenon like what's in the news market positioning ok is there going in august i want to today that is yes but what about for the long term you're a company and you're going to make a bargain machine tool you know going to machine tool for two years from now and it's based on your you know what your projects are five years from now so you've
got a longer term time frame rate so what do you look at so i look at century two things one is purchasing power parity which is it's right it's like a basic form a third of the economist magazine did a big thing with the big macs and a big mac should cost you where you go to sell for the same price to the extent that it doesn't when you make the currency conversion tell you some currency is out of whack ok so we look for is the rubber bag between the value and the price can stretch to the major to. say that the how far someone can deviate from its true value will be in the big map and so the major countries o.e.c.d. countries and the currencies often move in about a twenty percent band around purchasing power parity ok but some currency like you say like like swiss franc no region could. yes very very overvalued like thirty or forty percent so that tells us either something is wrong with our model purchasing power parity and you can get more complicated with it than the big mac. right or it's telling us that it's seriously overvalued is not something to be done
yet so one of the swiss studies they said we're talking about our currency appreciate over this level and so they haven't had to intervene recently in the past even intervene a lot right to defend their ceiling for their currency. and there you go highlights from the best of the best this past week time now for us to hear from you. the interest and with that we're here as always we do this every friday and harrison and i put you the viewer into the driver seat letting you steer the show with your comments questions and concerns all centered us throughout the week twitter you tube and facebook let's dive right in and start with brucey b. i like that name now customers have more money if minimum wage is raised period question. where does a small business operator get the extra money to pay the minimum wage raise to
begin with the only way would be to have a wage subsidy from government which means higher taxation ed thoughts on this higher taxation is that what that means though of composition basically what happens is like that you know. when more people have more money that means that they spend more especially if people in minimum wage jobs are they have a higher marginal propensity to spend that means more of that money goes back into the economy so ultimately that means that if they were making eight dollars an hour another making ten dollars an hour there's an extra two dollars an hour per employee that's actually going to go into the economy if they were to spend all of that extra money in the economy right in the small business owner i think a couple on our wall have more kick up sold cupcakes sold kicked up kicks sold and have more money exactly you know the problem of course is that maybe that specific small business owner is not going to have more of so you know maybe. there will be
more cups there will be more. c.d.'s that's bought and so it is going to have an impact in terms of so. businesses are going to be impacted but they're on our move right on michael mclaughlin he writes in that quote i would rather have the good kind of deflation because the same amount of currency is chasing an increased amount of goods rather than people having incentives to save money in a late game kensi an environment that revise on ever increasing velocity of money and thoughts a good kind of deflation yes or no would you prefer to have you know this whole philosophy of money i never really think about velocity of money because to me it's a meaningless concept given the. positive velocity has you know that's a term that people use for the top of the money multiplier but at the bottom of the bottom of this is that when you have deflation you have debt deflation dynamics that can take over we just drop people they put off their spending and they spend
less debt becomes more onerous people are it's been a success or a sort of like spirals that it's all so it's not just the fact that you have good to fleece in that sense the only good deflation you can get is really from increased productivity and that's when prices go down from i think that general deflation is not a good thing they have and i want to go to number three this comes from tina sullivan three percent or she tweeted that she is not happy with us and she writes . in a that edward n.h. i can't believe you would even allow kaplan time to spew his disdain for mission propaganda saying that lobbyists pose no harm but loney exclamation point there are two point three lobbyist for every politician in d.c. there to curry favor from the corporate for politicians i am seeing a serious shift in archie lately you are pandering to the wrong side shame on you r t ok first i'd like to say that we aren't pandering to the wrong side because we are pandering to any side and the very fact that she wrote here pandering to the
wrong side is evidence that we are pandering to either one i mean you want us to actually pursue the other agenda that's not good journalism that's not how we'd like to report it and so i will remain the same or you said it perfectly that's exactly what we're for and i think that it's pretty solid that's. it's four and finally one of our frequent comments from some commenters how we're going to rights moving profits overseas is simply one of the many tactics corporations employ to maximize shareholder value as you say ed ok so you take money away from a corporation via taxation and what happens less dividends for shareholders higher prices for customers who corporations care about they care about their shareholders and the customers it's natural to want to protect your allies against rapacious enemy thoughts well you know just because you actually have taken money away from the company doesn't mean that they're going to pay that cost on to. the customers but at the end of the day it would have boils down to is the when you are a corporation you've incorporated in order to gain benefits from that from
incorporated that you wouldn't be able to get if you would individual those that status needs to be taxed like any other legal person. you know legal persons that are individuals or business should be taxed as well the concept should somehow be tense because of double taxation doesn't make any sense to me and i think it creates an unfair advantage for those who can cooperate and gain their wealth through that particular structure of incorporation i think you have an taxation is a big issue we're dealing here back on that and more on it but i like your opinion that's all for now but you can see all segments featured in today's show on you tube at youtube dot com slash boom bust our team we love hearing from you please check out our facebook page facebook dot com slash boom bust our teeth please tweet us at erin aid at edward and it's from all of us here thank you for watching see an x. time check out. this
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