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coming up on our t.v. in eastern ukraine government forces clashed with and to give activists with casualties on both sides tensions grow continuing to grow there the latest from the region ahead. and rand paul continues to fight against the u.s. drone program the senator plans to put a hold on the federal court nomination of a lawyer who gave legal justification for drone strike more on that coming up. and lawmakers have enjoyed first class flights on the taxpayers' dime but now there's a push to make congress members pay for those flights out of their own pockets more on that later in the show. it's monday may fifth five pm in washington d.c. and lindsey france you're watching our to america. fierce battles between ukrainian
soldiers and anti-government separatists in that country's east have left more than fifty people dead in recent days in the eastern ukrainian town of slovyansk government troops have renewed the crackdown on protesters there are thought to be casualties on both sides including civilians preliminary reports suggest at least ten locals and four troops sent by kids were killed according to the interior ministry a ukrainian army helicopter was downed in the area artist paula slayer became trapped in the town after the roads were blocked she sent this report. a little bit behind. the t.v. seem to which is currently in the hands of the ukrainian army and we saw in the last few moments a rockets flying over so we're going to try to get a little bit closer to determine exactly what's going on with the local t.v. seem to have been blocked by a train so just on the other side of the plane is going to be the ukrainian army ok so that the rocket fired at the wagon from
a helicopter but that it's the end of demonstrators who closed the road let's make a run for it this way out of sight hopefully from the snipers and we can get to the railway. the best route ok so we have what we are closer to the railway carts wanted to get even just trying to watch the guys about what's happening we saw the rocket coming over. from the from the sky and if and if i don't where. right again with the sort of mood. i seem not to talk cocktails here you can actually see the god preparing them for one of the guys who can squander. is there on top of people being snipers them if you will or shooting at anything with nudity and you guys are actually hiding underneath they were aligned with one force. but that's not a problem oh no. what is he saying it's going to be
he sees you to kill him. i have parents in south africa if they see me they're going to kill me. that was our to correspondent paul slater and in the aftermath of a fire in the ukrainian port town of odessa which left dozens dead on friday mourners have now taken over the building creating makeshift memorials to commemorate those who lost their lives parties are going to go gives us a closer look at the scene or a tragic violent clash erupted between pro and anti care of protesters. people insists that right six years since they were trying to break into the building into the rooms where protesters were holed up and you can see these remnants from the bullets from somebody that was trying to kick in the door you can see them right here there are a lot of doors a lot of people questioning how quick this blood come from people who are being burnt a lot of people are saying the people inside the building were first killed by gunfire
or they were cut into pieces but of course there is no there is actually no way to verify anything that's happening next to it there's a huge stretch of kurds walking so we're going well now we've been staying for for the current alberich and unfortunately you burn less she's going to go having bringing flowers here only a year old and a lot of work trying to say. people have been describing themselves as not russian there on the sites they go along to the city so for the city this is an event tragic people have to make it makes you probably more l's all along basically a lot of things that were left over here from those who were anti my dog to a lot of things we have done quicker than other flowers. that was article responded and read it go. now to capitol hill where the senator from kentucky rand paul is
continuing his fight against the obama administration's shadowy drone assassination program and now threatening to put a hold on yet another of the president's nominees the hill reports that senator paul has informed senate majority leader harry reid that he will place a hold on david baron a nominee to the first circuit court of appeals barron was formerly a lawyer at the justice department's office of legal counsel where he reportedly wrote the legal justification for the administration's targeted drone strike that killed american and more lucky in two thousand and eleven senator paul is now demanding the full release of that legal justification tell. the majority leader in a letter the constitutionality of this policy has been the subject of intense debate in our country since its implementation the disclosure of this document will not only clarify that debate it will also allow the senate to gain critical insight into david berent judicial philosophy r.t. sam sachs is on capitol hill with more. fresh off of courting rupert murdoch at this weekend's kentucky derby senator rand paul continues trying to puncture holes
into the obama administration's wall of secrecy this time he's demanding release of a secret department of justice memo first reported on back in two thousand and eleven that laid out the legal argument for the drone killing of american citizen and we are all a locket efforts to force the obama administration to hand over that memo culminated last month when a federal court in manhattan held that the government can no longer claim secrecy privileges over that memo and ordered portions of it to be released and now as the author of that legal memo david baron is under consideration by the senate for a lifetime appellate court seat rand paul is using the powers he has as a senator to add more pressure on the obama administration to release the memo this is a common tactic for the senator from kentucky who's put similar holds on the president's nominees to head the cia the surgeon general's office and the federal reserve and
in most cases paul has managed to exact some concessions from the white house but with recent changes to the senate filibuster there is little senator paul can do on his own to derail the president's nominee most he can delay a senate vote for several days but since it only takes a simple majority now to confirm most judicial nominees senator paul will need more allies in this effort and he might have them republicans have basically taken a stand against all of the president's judicial nominees and if you keith democrats have joined the chorus demanding more transparency when it comes to drone targeting american citizens among them include senator patrick leahy and senator dianne feinstein the chairs of the judiciary and intelligence committees so the obama administration is in a bind once again. being forced to reveal documents it is fought hard to keep secret which has been
a common theme in recent months as the government has begrudgingly released legal documents related to its a spying and prepares to release an extensive report on cia torture so that old promise by president obama to have the most transparent administration in history may be upheld after all but only thanks to the pressure applied by members of congress and federal courts on capitol hill in washington d.c. sam sachs r t. back in april of two thousand and thirteen president obama unveiled the brain and i should have a bold new research effort looking at how the human brain works the white house in fact pledged to spend one hundred million dollars on the endeavor the president had this to say about the investment there's this enormous mystery. waiting to be unlocked in the brain initiative will change that by giving scientists the tools they need to get a dynamic picture of the brain in action and better understand how we think and how
we learn and how we remember. one year into the initiative even you know there is some big news to report in the next few months highly secretive u.s. military researchers say they will unveil the advancement of brain implants that could one day re story wounded soldiers memory this could be huge for us soldiers injured during the afghanistan and iraq wars it's in fact estimated three hundred thousand have suffered traumatic brain injuries in both of those wars the defense advanced research projects agency or darpa is behind this sophisticated memory stimulator all this is great news for those who have suffered brain injuries some people see it in a different light manipulating memories after all and people could open up an ethical minefield and should also be noted that researchers have come a long way in understanding and manipulating the brain doctors have been able to reduce tremors in people with parkinson's disease cut back on seizures and even boost memory in some alzheimer's patients through
a process called deep brain stimulation. former secretary of state condoleezza rice lost out on a reported thirty five thousand dollars when she backed out of delivering the commencement address at rutgers university her decision followed protests by faculty and students over her role in the iraq war artist and a cessna churkin are reports on how students aim to hold former politicians accountable for their decisions. well holding politicians accountable for their past is rare in the u.s. it's university students and faculty who are taking it on themselves to make sure officials are liable for their prior misdeeds in a recent scandal at rutgers university in new jersey students and teachers have been able to resist the participation of former u.s. secretary of state and national security advisor to george w. bush condo's a rise in this year's commencement ceremony rising up against her involvement in the iraq war and torture during the bush administration's years rice was invited to rutgers to give a speech for a fee of thirty five thousand dollars and was supposed to receive an honorary dr of
laws degree at the school however resistance ensued a petition was signed by over three hundred seventy five rutgers faculty members saying they were outraged and offended by rice being invited as keynote speaker and that her participation would dishonor the school the petition explains that rice create a key role in the campaign of distortion and lies surrounding the iraq war and that she was involved in allowing torture tactic policies to be implemented during the time the records petition described rice as one of the participants and war crimes during the bush era about fifty students held a sit in at the university which they dubbed as one of the largest in rocker's history a protest of about one hundred students was also held with demands to not have come to liza rice come to the school even though the president of rutgers declined to disinvite the former secretary of state rice herself with drew from participating posting on her facebook page that she does not wish to distract what's intended to be a joyous ceremony she did however defend her record and said she was honored to have served her country this is the latest of
a handful of examples of former political figures continuing to face criticism for their actions in office mainly former cia director general petraeus has stepped down after an extramarital affair scandal last year has been repeatedly facing protesters accusing him of war crimes at the city university of new york where he teaches demonstrations to hold his feet to the fire organized on a weekly basis after the student protests and events demanding a. to believe for political figures who haven't had to answer actions criticized in the u.s. and around the world are expected to continue to let politicians know that they still want justice and as they see it you're going to new york. major tech companies and presidential advisors are making a new push to ensure that you are made aware of your e-mails are being snooped through by the government in a defiant move companies like google apple microsoft and facebook have decided to stop silently complying with government data seizures they said their users have a right to be informed when the government demands access to their emails and online data google alone receives tens of thousands of your user data requests from
the government every year and that number as you can see is a growing prosecutors say the tech companies defiance could undermine their investigations by tipping off criminals in time for them to destroy evidence but following last year's disclosures about national security agency spying the tech industry is eager to distance itself from the government and win back its clients meanwhile in a report on big data and privacy issues last week the white house advisors encouraged the president to update in one nine hundred eighty six law allowing police without a warrant to read emails that have either been opened or are more than one hundred eighty days old performing this electronic communications privacy act or e.c.p.a. has been a pet cause for privacy advocates who say this police action should always require a warrant now with president obama's advisors also calling to remove archaic distinctions between e-mail left on red or over a certain age are e-mails could be given the same fourth amendment treatment as
a good old letter and a stamp congress is considering legislation to update the law but the bill has yet to reach the floor of the senate watch this space for more on that. so ahead here on r t the divide between the richest one percent and everyone else has grown even in the music industry as superstars that take in the most revenue we'll take a look at that later more after the break. nothing has been done this complex by the military since world war two. this is portrayed clear in historical terms the berlin airlift it reverse. order some seven or seven go down a block from some bloke on take off because you're going to become unstable you're talking really good use of dollars to move millions of dollars worth of equipment at one point use the course no longer work if you press. the screws in the washington well it's
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to notice. the food. the world right now. to take your calls. from around the globe. the occupy movement helped expose the massive economic gap between the wealthy one percent and the rest of us since the great recession inequality in the u.s. has only worsened but there is a place for the difference between the haves and the have nots is even larger the music industry. explains. then voltaic is rehearsing for what they hope is their upcoming tour where on both records which is a logo i created and that's about the extent of it we get all the money from
spotify and i record sales. through services like spotify and beats music introduce consumers to new artists it also allows bands to raise money. the music industry has traditionally been a superstar economy where the top one percent gets most of the wealth well the rest of the guys are barely paying the bills but with the digital revolution the world has been exposed to more and more artists. and now recently fans it's time to come in through spotify first and just hear the audio maybe find a video not digital technology might be helping with exposure it hasn't closed the income gap between the one percent and the ninety nine percent in the music business so far it hasn't particularly because the royalties that spotify and other services pay are you know pennies.
according to a report by media consultant the top one percent in the media industry is raking in seventy seven percent of all recorded music income part of the problem might be too many choices the inequality in the digital sphere doesn't necessarily come. from some mega corporation like clear channel forcing people to only listen to let's say katy perry a lot of people are intimidated by. you know a search bar just standing between them and twenty five million songs streaming services are using new data tools to be more user friendly and engage why. her audience they're providing a twitter like service you know for a very low cost so i wonder i wonder if in a few years that will be clear that they're doing a good thing as new music services pop up ninety nine percent of musicians will
still struggle to find creative ways to rise to the top of the superstar music economy. after all in los angeles. r.t. . well if you ever paid for a first class plane ticket you may say no but just because you've never sat in one of those plush leather seats doesn't mean you didn't pay for someone else to like a member of congress perhaps representative tammy duckworth wants to put a stop to it by introducing a measure to hit lawmakers for font flying first class from their congressional allowances party's mega lopez hit the streets of d.c. to find out what the average person thinks of paying for elected officials to fly in high style. representative tammy duckworth from illinois introduced a measure this week that would prevent lawmakers from booking first class airline seats using their congressional allowances now in recent years each house members office has received an average of about a million dollars annually under duckworth proposal members would only be allowed
to use those funds for first class domestic airlines if there are certain conditions that are met one of them is if the flight is five hours or more also if they need medical assistance or if there is a security reason for needing that first class flight or if they had to book a ticket last minute in order to get to a location so we came here at the reagan airport to find out what people think of congress members flying first class on their dime where are you traveling today. in tokyo colorado springs want your letter l.a. so are you flying coach yes yes yes why are you paying for a first class ticket or not but yes you are you're paying for your congress members of my first class every time yeah well you know good things to say about that that stinks yes it does there's a new bill that's going through congress right now that would forbid congress members from spending taxpayer money to fly first class would you support it no i
would yes some would you know many problem with employee first class i wish they would do a better job with what their job is but i don't care how they travel well i'm not a politician but i think it better better think that they can use it for another perk of being a congress member on. go front row parking at the airport for free even fiscal hawks like rand paul like to use this service now the washington air transit authority has lost seven hundred forty thousand dollars in revenue as a result of these congressional perks if you could sit next to any congress member who would you sit next to and what would you talk about i would say next tuesday and understand. i would be a good idea yes i would want to sit next to you know what would you tell john boehner i would tell him to support the health care act even though i know it's passed let him know how important it is that every american who has health care what would you tell him veterans' benefits i reach talk about what's going on with
health care or somebody that you'd want to sit next to. i can't think of anybody in congress i'd want to sit next to that long time anyway right exactly so there you have it it looks like some people are a ok with congress members using taxpayer money to fly first class others think that it is time for those lawmakers to fly coach like the rest of us if this bill passes perhaps the congress members will get a little more cold see what their constituents this time but an airplane in washington my good lopez r.t. . and before we go don't forget to tune in at nine pm for larry king now tonight's guests are amy high demand and nick newman musical duo known as carmen here's a part of what's to come. you majored in just a moan you still play it yes i do actually more and more and now he said the same as a big dude was to put in a musician an artist would mean. you can be the best musician in the world
and it will be technical great musician you can be technically great and no one could care and you could be technically terrible and have everybody in the world there it's all about the feeling of the emotion and so many other thought it. was a billie holiday there now it's moderately prefer even the the beatles you know the beatles weren't taught to do those things they just did them and now we teach it because they did it you know i mean so they were kind of they were better artists than they were musician what do what musical group were you that the group is that for me it was definitely going to funny and no doubt i say both of them because her sell us stuff was equally important brandi an r. and b. singer and. gosh what other just the beatles a lot of classic rock queen loved a lot of coldplay on and a lot of like a lot of pop too. so tonight nine pm tonight right here in our to america that does it for now everybody for more on the stories we cover go to you tube dot com slash our to america are check out our website our to accomplish u.s.a.
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competitive enterprise institute a libertarian think tank in d.c. just released their annual report on the regulatory state of the us government they called it the ten thousand commandments which is hilarious because they're making a joke about how many regulations our government writes what's not so funny is how much these regulations cost us or how they illustrate just how terrifying these stupefyingly sprawling and inefficient our government is the report like and regulations to a sort of hidden tax our government lays out budgets and policies for us to see what's being done and how much it costs but it never factors in all of the regulations that are put in place that and the cost in half a ton more none of the costs that businesses or government agencies have to pay to comply with regulations are ever factored into budgets and spend be. the crazy thing is that even though these regulatory costs are hidden so enormous the
report as them up as best as possible and found that our regulatory costs are so big they're the tenth biggest economy in the world totaling a whopping one point eight six trillion dollars by comparison canada's entire g.d.p. is one point eight two trillion it is one point four trillion that's and say that averages to a cost of about fifteen thousand dollars for every single one of our households these regulations probably end up costing so much because there are so many of them last. here alone regulators issued three thousand six hundred and fifty nine rules that's equal to nearly two federal rules being issued every business hour there were fifty one regulatory rules written for every law passed our governments writing regulation superfast crazily when meanwhile it takes them forever to do
anything else and that alone is a measure of how much power these regulators have if there are fifty one walls written for every law think of how much power and influence those regulators actually have. the agencies that write the most regulations are the departments of the treasury interior commerce transportation health and human services and the e.p.a. these guys are just vaporized almost two trillion dollars and they're the only ones that have any sense of where that money and control are being funneled and these regulators are unelected and largely left to oversee themselves so in our sprawling massive onion tract on checked government the only thing that can not be regulated these to be the regulators themselves tonight let's talk about that by following me on twitter at the resident.
fear and hatred of all things russian the west mainstream media echo chamber is consumed by what should have been a relic of the cold war appears to be an essential part of the west's foreign policy today this is not only tragic but it's also dangerous. to be i'm joined by my guest george samuel you new york he is a fellow of the global policy institute of london metropolitan university in london we have alexander the class of he is a political commentator and a former kremlin advisor and here in moscow we crossed to dmitri bobbitt she's a political analyst with the voice of russia radio station all right gentlemen in fact that means you can jump in anytime you want and i very much encourage alexander franco to you first in london you're a russian living in the u.k. what's worse a phobia like. well i think the language of these days we're hearing from politicians and some commentators i stress some commentators sweats of the cold war
in a big way and sometimes you know i just wonder whether they're living on the same plane at desire more whether they realize what there's actually they're doing. the funny thing is that we are approaching another in the city of the second world war and many british people here actually appreciate that the russians have play the russia all the soviet union ok played a crucial role in defending in defeating nazi germany and saving millions and millions of people and so it's very it's very strange to hear this stuff that the russians are compared to aggressors invade the us that russia is actually planing to invade the ukraine and want to take all the oil and want to manipulate and we go even further than here you know some politicians say the baltics are in
danger some say poland is in danger kazakhstan is in danger and then everyone is a major russian everyone is in danger exactly george i mean it's to me it's to the point of irrationality i mean it's like looking for the bogeyman out there looking for mysterious armies looking for mysterious strategies it's just paid only rational yes i agree with you peter. it's it's strange that the west increasingly lives in a time warp it's as if it's an able to think of itself in any other way than fighting against hitler and stalin i mean forever hitler is in the bunker stalin his ruling in the kremlin and the west has to stand up i mean it's as if the west constant of itself in any other way but defining itself against the the enemy and i think this is this is feeding into the russophobia. i think there's something else that's going on here and i think that not only is russia opposed many of the
western military interventions of the past twenty years. and it has built up alternative forms of economic and political corporations such as the brics nations but also russia particularly since the arrival of the timea putin has stressed a certain continuity in history i mean it has elected to suggest that well not everything the that was accomplished by the soviet union it was terrible i mean the world great achievement by the soviet union its educational achievement its scientific achievement its technical achievement its space program. it's not xander said it's a famous victory in world war two and that russia the new russia should build on that and that's it's really in accordance with what we know about human societies and human societies have to build on their history on what what
they've accomplished they obviously have to get rid of the negative aspects of the past but to build on what's positive and i think this has deeply offended western sensibilities because western the western sensibilities were shaped by the euphoria of nine hundred eighty nine we won the cold war this is the end of history you know mankind can richie rich eve no higher social form than the western democracy and what russia shown is that there are there it has carved out its own form of democracy its own form of market capitalism and it's certainly learned certain things from the west but it's always the certain shown that not every one of the reason the one size fits all model or that like that she was a good game abab it here in moscow georgia merely big picks up on something there i mean because russia doesn't do what it's told ok that it therefore ergo it must be an enemy. well that's true you know what why is me in there
present. for beer it's not the fact that it is aimed against the russians you know people like me being a russian of course it's very unpleasant for me to read it and to hear it i think there is something more dangerous in that the problem is that they're also forebear has become of their centerpiece of global stupidity of the global are absurd that we see in the world to be just like anti-semitism was their central pillar or stupidity in one thousand thirty years one thousand years and even one thousand forty s in the same way. is the central people stupidity right now the problem is that you can explain all your mistakes by the evil designs of russians and a lot dimmer putin you know the whereas the board itself into a mass in syria it fall in the wrong. cracked up to be most in fundamentalists or
who is to blame russia russia because if only russia voted in the un in favor of military intervention in syria if only putin did something differently we would have a completely different picture so the problem is that there are also for there was you to explain your own mistakes in the same way anti-semitism in one thousand nine hundred eighty s. and one hundred forty s. allowed him to for example to explain the wall to war not by his own aggressive designs by the evil designs of the wall jewelry as he called it so rusa for be easy . as anti-semitism in one thousand nine hundred s. i would say that also for bees anti-semitism today alexandra how do you feel about that because it's very interesting we did me just said there is it every time the west makes a foreign policy mistake somehow in some way it must be vladimir putin's fault. well i agree with bt but i also would like to add don't forget that the west
current li is very weak it's currently bankrupt technically speaking if you look at the g seven countries they would probably be standing at all winglike thirty three million dollars and growing the economy is in america in the in the european union apart from germany maybe not strong at all and when the west is weak and russia gets stronger we see the signs of rousseau for be emerging immediately because that is like a sign you know on the wall say all russia is getting stronger we need to do something about it also i think another aspect to that is that if you look at the educational system across the west and i can speak for example about the educational system in britain if you look at the history textbooks you would be surprised to learn that russia was not the major player in the second world war that russia was a major player in the cold war but then in the way you know fretting everybody you
would find that young people here have a very perverse very distorted view of russia historically and when i talk to young people here and i sometimes try to lecture. i mean deliver a lecture as i say to them guys you don't know anything do you you don't know anything about russia and that is why by the way based on this mild it was so for be i would say because it's not that aggressive that's why one of the official line starts to get aggressive against russia if this picked up by some people very quickly especially young people but let's not make a big mistake here don't think that all british people here are osa phobic you know they are not picking up those messages coming from for example you know william hague just a. simply said we are going to punish the russians we are going to. take
sanctions against them that will hurt them where will suffer ourselves but we will buy the stuff i think is something i've just spoken to many influential journalists and i said what do you think and that's a bluff they said because this is not going to work and people don't know it all people do not support this but there is there is this young generation that has been brainwashed and there is a bit of those idiots who watch those reality shows and believe anything they see on television well you get those people to say nasty things following what the politicians and some right wing commentators say it georgie is it due to the lock of history and the need for an enemy because russia in a way it's portrayed in media i've lived in this country for seventeen years and i read a great deal of the western media and it doesn't resemble anything about where i live in the people i live among yeah and i agree. what's interesting is that the
the current wave of russophobia is most prevalent in what i would call the liberal publications i mean you pick up the new york review of books the new republic the guardian these are often the most hostile to russia and i think that is probably due to their sense that russia is the most formidable opponent of the kind of the favorite form of liberal interventionism is the humanitarian intervention ism and where you could always push around serbia you could always denounce milosevich of venezuela and chavez and then anybody else who dares to defy the west the russians can't really be pushed around in a way they just a bit too strong for that and i think this causes enormous liberal fury and so that's the that this is a feeding this. but let's keep in mind that back in the yeltsin era when yeltsin
was sending in his tanks against the russian parliament also for the way it was lying rather dormant because russia was seen to be weak a supplicant of the west abject pathetic poor. people were cheering on yeltsin so this whole idea that the liberals are opposed to putin because he's anti democratic i mean they were perfectly happy with yeltsin just killing parliamentarians yeltsin rigging the one thousand nine hundred six election so a lot of it has to do with regular russia is now emerging as a serious powerful player building up its orange let me jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion and it's a focus stayed with argue. with.
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lisa bloom. welcome back to cross talk where all things are considered on peter lavelle mind you were discussing perceptions of russia and use a phobia. ok michael what i deem a bobbit try here in moscow. it seems to me when i when i read western media about russian foreign policy behavior in the world it seems to me that it's projection it's what countries in the world are aggressive what countries in the world are overthrowing regimes what countries in the world are using covert operations to conduct like we saw in camp i mean it's the west doing this everything that russia
is accused of the west actually does itself. well that's true but i would like to disagree a little bit with alexander i think that also forebear is built on a strong intellectual tradition i would not deny it some kind of scientific explanation that it usually is. that usually adds to itself the problem is that true so for beer twists he story twists few laws a feat uses some of the greatest minds of humanity of people. or people like you know the historians that we have scanned on this it misinterprets them the problem is that sometimes i have an impression that people who read western books about russian history are actually less educated than people who don't know anything about it and who come to russia with fresh view of the problem is that
putin is always viewed through the prism of stalin or bridge near at best or even the russians are so of the nineteenth century so sometimes it seems to me that when they talk about russia they talk about some other country the one that existed fifty years ago sixty years ago maybe even one hundred fifty years ago you know brzezinski when he says ukrainians fight against russians and then you will get western economic and military support then you will leave like finland he confuses to days russia and the soviet union or one nine hundred thirty nine. and what you said is exactly true you know this was the problem with anti-semitism he had aggressive intentions but he scribed he's aggressive. intentions to the jews in the same way the west in order to justify its how shall i put it proactive role in international politics escribe still russia certain intentions that it doesn't
really have. to be frank with you russian doesn't care much about syria let's be frank about it it's a far away country for russia but when you read the western newspapers you get an impression that russia is the main player in syria probably more important than saudi arabia or iran which is simply not true you know alexander it's very interesting when we look at stereotypes that we know that builds into the roots of phobia in hollywood just loves russian villains because it's easy it's so easy black and white because like i said earlier in the program i've been here for seventeen years and if you walk the streets of moscow it's a very modern western city them people are very well educated they travel the world they're very sophisticated but that's an impression of russia that western media doesn't like to portray why. well first of all i think we need to understand one important point that the west many western people
don't understand one comin use them was the dominant in the russia and the soviet union generally the russians were the biggest victim of that system that's what the people here in the west don't understand they associate the russian people with style even with the k.g.b. and so on this study and then k.g.b. coffee of my family were in the labor camp on the style and so you see the russians were the victims not the beneficiaries of the soviet empire and that's what it's very difficult to explain that here because in the west the perception is old soviet union coleman is but that's russia and that's what i'm trying to do here in my interviews but it's very difficult because the liberal perception is so strong about this that you have to break through that ice you know the point the liberal
idea all the gee let's face it is dominant now in the west and the liberal ideology doesn't like russia because russia stands for things that the liberals don't like it is strong on the religion it's a strong on probation it's one survival of many values that were forgotten on the course many of them liberals hate that liberals don't want theb and that's why if you remember when we had the pussy riot. rating at the altar of the cathedral in moscow i had a bit of a tough time and this should be you know explaining that these people are idiots and that offensive to millions of russians because here the liberals will say yes but that's freedom of speech freedom of expression and you know when they shut up when i said look this can feed the role was built on the russian. people's money in the face in the place of the previous one which was blown up on all of those of
study and this is the more new month against stalin by the russian people and the need to please the liberals started to pick trek because here suddenly i play their cards and they couldn't say anything and i will support that i've got the route with the late borders bridges over ski about that and he was telling me on television here col it was great. to do that but then i said my part the presenter and other people taking stood with me against him and said yeah that doesn't make sense so what i'm saying sometimes maybe we russian spokesman should explain more it's difficult it's often it's in the little girl she's very strong ok i agree with curate it seems to me that in this conversation that we've had here is that western liberals can't allow can't even comprehend that russia can be a different place than it is in their mind but it seems to me it's the west it's
unable to change it has a terrible terrible aggressive habits it's had them for a very long time and there's no restraint against them but every once in a while a country like russia or china says hey you have to stop doing this you have to communicate with people you have to negotiate because in the last twenty five years to work diplomacy is has dropped out of liberal discord completely. you know that that's absolutely right in fact what we now have is that the west increasingly resembles that view of the comyn of the in one nine hundred thirty s. and forty's in which. we had you know the orders that came down from the kremlin and everybody had to jump in line and you know if you're a communist in. latin america you had to jump in line with the orders from stalin so we have now in the west the kind of a monolith in which washington or brussels issues its orders and everybody has to
jump to it and even the smile does deviation from also doxie within its own community let's say are the current government in hungary a viktor orban i mean slight deviation is already condemned with extraordinary vehemence in many of the liberal outlets russia on the other hand is essentially arguing that countries should be allowed to maintain their own forms of government and develop their in their own particular ways it is maintain friendships with countries that have different domestic systems like such as cuba. or in venezuela and but it's a it is nonetheless pursued a market capitalist way forward so it's the west that is now increasingly driven by its own kind of etiologies and the russians were showing themselves to be rather pragmatic. adaptable people you know dimitri it are looking at who safavian
western meeting coming out of western capitals it seems so self-defeating because russia in the in the west have a lot of commonalities i mean we go through history literature music eccentric cetera they were not so different but you know it because russia will not fall in line with the western what i call the washington consensus it must be punished but at the same time the west has really wonderful relationships with authoritarian regimes like saudi arabia how do you square the circle. well i agree with george that the west nile resembles the coleman town of one thousand nine hundred years i will do and say in one nine hundred twenty s. and explained so there did you get that peter you've just described the main idea or the commentary was that everything is moral of that serves the purpose of the revolution soul for the west right now as we have seen in ukraine everything that
serves the purposes over evolution is right you can attack presidential candidates if they are pro russian and you can use army you can use special police against protesters eve these protesters are reactionaries and if you'll remember the history of course there wasn't there in demonized certain nations as the main any misses the most reactionary nations in one thousand nine hundred eighty s. it was the united states you know as the more dangerous capitalist country our enemy number one so in the same way the west presents a russia as some kind of an impeachment for it's a global liberal project russia is the reactionary nation that prevents the world from achieving these you know which reminds me of lane and sort of illusion and now it's some kind of a liberal revolution or war with the world and this kind of narrative unfortunately is very self-defeating because sooner or later people have enough of this i think
tara was destroyed not only by its start in saudi terrorism and by he is a maniac killed distrust of his own corniest allies around the world it's simply i would leave that self i mean whole long could you blame americans for everything that happened in the war in the same way hold on can you blame the russians for the economic crisis in europe for their prolonged war in syria for or for all of these things that don't war you know at a certain moment the system just these ideas just exhausted itself xander you are the last word here it is it is counterproductive but seems to be no end to it at this point. well unfortunately we are seeing more and more oversight for big statements coming from all over the place because obviously this is i have to do with the crisis in ukraine and we will see that happening but i would like to end
on the but the note and i would like to say that we are now with easter week before easter i think that a lot of this aggression from the liberal elites in the west comes because russia is deeply religious and russia still sticks to the religious traditions of centuries old well alexander i'm not very very kind an optimistic note i have to end the conversation we've run out of time gentlemen many thanks to my guests in new york london and in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember cross talk. a little. easier.
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what's really good folks at all rob lowe filling in for abby martin and this is breaking the set so president obama just got back from southeast asia last week and know not to assist with the missing malaysian airliner but he was actually there for his agenda shoring up support for the transpacific partnership this massive trade deal between twelve countries that's been called nafta on steroids lest we forget that nafta led to a million lost jobs in america according to public citizen and with criticism of the secretive t p p negotiations reaching an all time high obama spoke out against his detractors during a pit stop in malaysia all discussing the downside of corporate influence on the free trade deal obama said quote the assumption that right off the bat there is not
something we're paying attention to that reflects a lack of knowledge of what is going on in the negotiations you shouldn't be surprised if there are going to be objections protests rumors conspiracy theories around a trade deal so not only is obama casually lumping in critics of the t.p. with conspiracy theories he also called out his critics for their lack of knowledge about the deal and the only reason he's able to use this argument is that not even members of congress are in the loop in fact just last week oregon senator ron wyden so that there must be more transparent debate about such an important and potentially disastrous global economic policy so if you agree that it's time to end the blackout on a deal that could vastly expand multinational corporate power then join me let's break this. they are very hard to take a. look. at how that works out there right
there. with us college graduation ceremonies set to be held over the next couple of weeks everyone's attention has been turned to rutgers university c after the school announced that the commencement speaker would be president george w. bush's former national security adviser and former secretary of state condoleezza rice a vocal in fierce opposition movement among students and faculty was launched against her selection citing her support for cia torture and manipulating evidence leading
to the iraq war the school faculty council passed a resolution calling on the school to rescind the invitation workers administration didn't give into the faculty's demands but over the weekend rice announced that she would be ballin out of the commencement ceremony due to the controversy that her nomination had generated and now the rutgers university faculty is under attack by both left and right establishment figures for a perceived crackdown on freedom of speech so to respond to these allegations i was joined earlier by rutgers university professor deepa kumar i started by asking her how rice was selected to speak in the first place. in violation basically off the stand it procedures that we use here to drop this university. to choose our commencement speaker which involves the but to spatial faculty involves the students what actually happened is that our president but she formed a committee of about six people including himself and this decision was made by
that and in fact fully eight months before this was made public we saw from quests regarding various emails that went from president bar cheese office to dr connelly said rice is office that the invitation had been sent and even travel arrangements had been made so with absolutely no involvement on the part of students and faculty this decision was made and we objected to that we think that the university is a democracy and we think that all of us should have a say in who gets to speak at commencement right it was a decision originally you felt was the faculties decision to make but i wanted to play you a clip from fox news contributor carl rove of all people and what he had to say about the rutgers faculty protest against rice speaking at the commencement at the commencement sorry let's take a listen to that real quick. this shows how ignorant the faculty of rutgers is this is this old canard that the administration the bush administration deliberately
misled the american people about weapons of mass destruction has been the subject of special investigative committees special commissions and no evidence have been found or that this shows how politically motivated this is and how ignorant the faculty senate of rutgers is a major universities are to have faculties that are dominated by the far left which is a tolerant of free speech and you have to consider the free speech no deeper karl rove there and he's talking about you specifically and your and your colleagues what's your response to his claims that investigative to get a panel's have exonerated bush has been administration from its actions in iraq and that this move was a crackdown on free speech by rutgers faculty condi rice in particular. has made public statements saying that hussein was going to make a nuclear bomb and again none of this material has actually been found in the case of iraq and so the facts speak for themselves and you know i think the bush
administration as well as calderon has discredited themselves in the eyes of international opinion now on the question of free speech this is a commencement address that connally said rice was invited to give this was not any old speech that she was asked to come and give it to a university and when you invite a speaker to be a commencement speaker to give this person an honorary degree of law what you're doing is you're honoring that person what you're seeing is that our values are in you know agree with the values of rights and we we don't agree with that we don't believe that not only our somebody who as national security advisor and later as secretary of state who not only lied about the iraq war but also can do on torture right from two thousand and two onwards we don't believe that law is and what a consistent with our values here. and so the i want to emphasize that
a commencement speech is very different than talk given at a university campus. and we've said beginning if she wants to come and give a talk we would be there at the meeting we would challenge char and we would take it from there no deeper a agree with you on on what you said about the bush administration describing themselves so it really is no surprise that karl rove former bush white house official well would come out kind of criticizing rutgers faculty but what's interesting to me is that even members of the establishment left today or also criticizing the opposition to race. by the faculty obama's former speechwriter john fabro even tweeted in response to john. inners chief of staff saying that he agreed that the incident was an embarrassment to rutgers why do you think there's been criticism of the faculty's actions from both you know former bush white house people and even people on the left today in the current
establishment. well let's get one thing clear out and that is that the policies that will be gone by the bush administration particularly you know in terms of building up the surveillance state and strengthening the various institutions of the security establishment that spies on americans and all the rest of it these policies have been continued and strengthened actually under the obama era so when we voiced protest against one of the architects of this new regina in the united states naturally people who were in the obama administration who continued various policies of the bush era stopped it going to you know get defensive about it because that we have taken a stand on principle this is not a partisan issue democrats versus republicans we are against torture we are against people telling lies to go off and invade other countries leading to the
deaths of hundreds of thousands of iraqis not to mention thousands of american soldiers on principle whatever the administration conducts those kinds of policies we are opposed to and we don't think that those values square with the values that we have here across right and i understand and i understand that that's an issue consistency for you in that that's not something that should be partisan but would you have the same opposition to having other political figures such as hillary clinton a former secretary of state speaking at a commencement ceremony. absolutely i think that any commencement speaker has got to be selected through a wide and open process of discussion and debate that is not what has happened here and in the future and should hillary clinton be invited i would like to similarly see this process be played out where all of us get to have os say and ultimately through this process of open dialogue debate and the exercise of free speech
a decision being made thank you so much stupid kumar rutgers university professor thank you so much for taking the time thank you for having me. well folks in case you missed it this weekend was the white house correspondents' dinner which has over the years thrown into what many call the oscars for ugly people. as usual the dinner drew celebrities politicians journalists as the commander in chief turned into the comedian in chief ok brianna that is lovely it's an honor to be nominated i get it there's a whole team of people who are friends we travel together before we hang out together how do you feel girl many people get appropriately called going to meet your family everyone hears. something like oh yes they are like they're not nerds they're like it's funny because we get so used to this with celebrities we're
always forget that this is a debtor to honor the correspondents who are going to cover on a day when your eyes yes and yes in fact we do forget that the dinner isn't about celebrating celebrities it's about reporters getting a chance to get close and cozy with the very people they're supposed to be keeping in line to that end i'm not surprised that host joe mchale didn't get all the laughs he deserved after he took a few good jabs at issues establishment journalists tend to stay away from. what are the biggest concern as americans t.v. show spoilers in other countries a spoiler consists of hey i haven't been back to the village yet so don't tell me who survived the drone strike of no spoilers my favorite bit of yours was when you said you'd close the detention facility at guantanamo bay that was a classic vallas hilarious. jokes aside i'm glad joel mchale took the opportunity to drop some truth about drones as well as one tunnel now speaking of american prisons here's a story the media missed while nursing their nerd prom hangover nearly sixty
million dollars have been divested from america's private prison industry that's right it seems that mandatory incarceration rates are leading to unsustainably high costs for investors in prison for profit system see the movement was launched by the national prison divestment campaign supported by fifteen different civil rights organizations called to k. of the a.c.l.u.'s national prison project said in regard to the now it's meant that quote we are just starting to turn the corner on mass incarceration for the past forty years we've been addicted to incarceration and the number of people in prison grew by seven hundred percent from one nine hundred seventy tonight to two thousand and ten for profit prisons have long been cash cows for investors in the u.s. unfortunately making the moral argument against the institutions has too often fallen flat but making the financial argument seems to be paying off see last year a detailed report by the online collective anonymous singled out the corrections corporation of america or c.c.a. the largest private prison company in the us anonymous outlined the company's
business model exposing how c.c.a. was on the decline and in turn a quote horrible financial investment the latest announcement of divestment arrives on the heels of c.c.a. recently losing at least four state contracts tougher reports of abuse and neglect including an f.b.i. investigation into a so-called gladiator school at a prison in idaho where inmates are being forced to fight each other so while a sixty million dollars divestment pales in comparison to the five billion dollars in annual revenue pulled in by the private prison industry it's certainly an encouraging sign that people are waking up to the fact that prisons for profit are simply a bad deal. our guys coming up will check out abby's interview with legendary hip hop artist quali stay tuned. to look.
at least. the washington. is being asked to add to the list of numbers and the media to hand it off or see if you are going to do that actually back to you and doesn't do too much for ad revenue my own tech agriculture giant teeth on a seventy six year old american farmer based in india. do you think this is going to create for the cia do you think this is what's triggering a great america is the largest economy in the world it's also the largest debtor nation in the history of britain is that is mostly it all turned to the status quo but what might be real alternatives to the point that the working poor the american dream the next they were just trying to survive it's time for americans and
lawmakers from washington to wake up and start talking about the real cause of. a lot of musical artists today are little more than commodities in a corporate world industry that thrives on a deep politicized message of materialism and escapism which is why a few weeks ago we were psyched to welcome a hip hop artist hall of quality in orders that truly stands and call. interest to the mainstream take a listen to one of his latest songs state of grace. we did speak to a dog to speak. of and now the dog got eleven. but if they're trying to put him. in a place. to be spotted by dismissed out of the bottom of. the body it is so
particular about his politics. is also performing with a nine piece band at the brooklyn bowl next month a green energy musical venue that's been named among the best clubs in america quality isn't just a performer he's been unspoken on everything from police brutality to the prison industrial complex and abby had a chance to sit down with him recently and first asked him if he trusts the institution of government check it out. trust comes from a learned behavior of you know getting things you know karmic debt you you put trust into the world you receive trust we've learned as human beings how to do that now a collection of human beings. in a certain place you're going to get other ugly aspects of human being human behavior come to the forefront like greed and stuff like that and yeah governments you know just by nature is hard to trust that that people that you elect or people that claim to be your leader are going to always have your best interest right and
there's someone other interests at play you've openly admitted that you think politics is an illusion you don't vote aren't used to you know i don't believe that the vote is what they tell us and yes and i've come out against the idea of voting without knowing the facts without having a grasp on what the candidates represent i have voted to pass and i may vote in the future but i'm not one of these people who thinks you should vote all the time and just because people died for the right to vote i don't think that's a good enough reason to cash or vote it's unfortunate people only vote when really you know they're kind of neglecting really the roots and where the struggle lies which is in the streets and you focus on a lot of grassroots activism the plight of political prisoners why do you choose to go that route. i was told in the end the household i grew up in. to that the community that you come out of you should give back to and that's that's something as valued in my household in my household just from our perception being a young black man growing up in brooklyn prison and the prison industrial complex
seems to be one of the biggest drains in our society seems to be a problem that you can have a direct effect on with activism grassroots activism and even you know possibly voting you know if there's some sort of block vote or some sort of activist candidate who makes its way to the top so just focusing on political prisoners people who have been. wrongly imprisoned or people who have been in prison when the evidence suggested maybe they're innocent. you know stuff like that is stuff that remains closed tomorrow. i don't think a lot of people realize how bad it is here in terms of the president does to a complex number read in the new jim crow and really more black people in prison today than the more insulated back during slavery why why are there twenty five percent of world's prisoners here in america oh more prison is for profit. you know america. you know a small group of people get rich off of imprisoning people in the labor in the in the jobs it creates in these towns and. you know it's also what this is
a country that was built on slave labor you know sort of like the backbone of this country is that we have an interest dick. value system that that is that celebrates giving people nothing and extracting everything from them and. because of it we've become the greatest country in the world so when slavery was was ended the american actually form a replacement for slavery and the fact that it's mostly people of color who are dealing with this president are complex is not at all a coincidence it is the new jim crow when when michelle alexander wrote that book she was saying things in an academic way that people in the streets of people in iowa have been knowing and feeling in their in their bones and in. it was she just expressed it in a way that people could read it to be like ok i see the connection clearly you know people know your work for me and half of black stars while fellow artists. collaborate together and how has his how have his political views inspired you most
in a. very. similar in terms of what we like musically but we have different styles of how we approach making music and there's a lot about what he does that i really respect and admire and a lot about what i do that he really respects and admires and that's what made our styles go together so well. most at this point you know he doesn't even he lives in south africa he does spend that much time in america because he doesn't like the politics especially being a muslim black american muslim he feels like. he's able to be freer in other places besides the united states and he's become more politically active as he's grown older you always heard in his lyrics but you know back then there was still lyrics about other thing he had missed that body and soul as like that he would you won't really hear themselves from him which is part of the reason why change the name of yaseen bay as an artist i'm completely inspired by him. in terms of his his sure vision of what he should be saying and what this
platform has grown grown men now we started this we were little kids but what we can be saying has grown men i mean it's very clear vision about it very very inspirational and i can't notice but the top black artist in america beyonce as much as i love her music jay z. it just seems like they're at the white house every week and hanging out obama does the marriage between the musical and political establishment worry you. oh no not at all i mean beyond say you know barack obama you know whether you agree with his politics of not represents the hopes and dreams of of mainstream black america you know i never in my lifetime thought i would ever see a black man as achieve that office and so and jay z. doesn't a lot of levels to so their partnership and their friendship makes a lot of a lot of sense of if you're somebody who's critical over obama you're probably someone who's critical of jay z. as well. what are you are you disappointed at all in obama's presidency. to be
honest be honest and no i'm not i'm glad you said be on the symbolism because you know to me a lot. part of it for me is the symbolism as far as the president i think on paper he's if you look it's like. when people talk about the code of the streets they talk about if you don't play to you know if you don't play that game you got to play better so if we're talking within the realm of politics barack obama is the most awesome politician i've ever seen in my life if we're talking tryst in the realm of politics and what it takes to be a president and the sacrifices you make in the compromises you make in the sit decision make on paper barack obama has been one of our most progressive if not our most progressive president ever that we've ever had is he the best no as he lived up to many of his campaign promises no but me as a grown man who sees politics for what it is i never expected him to what i mean and terms of playing a political game i guess you could argue that he's a super manipulative person and has played really well but i mean if you compare
him to nixon nixon was more liberal in a lot of his policies i totally disagree that is most progressive president. yeah i mean i think i think that i am. the end i think is exactly what you said that what you just said about nixon i think a lot of that was politics and i think a lot of what barack obama does is politics and i also think him being the first african-american president. shift the paradigm to where there's a whole bunch more that he has to consider in the compromises he makes than someone who was a staunch lee a part of the establishment like nixon was and nixon had been a part of it for thirty forty years before he became president where obama came in as a first term senator i think those glaring differences mean all that means make all the difference in the world but i mean again you know i think it would be i think it's off a mistake for people whether it's because you're democrat or because you're black to blindly go wherever obama goes and to and to support whatever he says we have to be critical of him even more so critical in a lot of ways and the thing is he's
a stranger i don't know who this person is all i can do is based on his words i'm sorry his actions not his words so i just see him doing really nothing i mean i guess the super disappointing i guess for me it says i never put that much stock in what he was going to be able to do first place you know just at that level politics by that time you get to that level of politics you know it really is a popularity contests and he was clearly the most popular right. in your song listen you talk about how real hip hop is missing what is it about this genre that you think is lacking is probably the message or hip hop that talked about the art of hip hop to hip hop that was more universal about there was more of a party in hip hop there was more about people's lives outside of new york city who had different accents they want to hear their own accents you know and and so you know real hip hop to me you know i probably does not a lyric or i would write again in two thousand and fourteen but in two thousand and seven i was definitely trying to make a statement that i feel like the type of hip hop i do is being pushed to decide
when you look at the show of what is being popular like that you said. things that we say are stuck with us forever and you can. evolve and change your your ideas and and that's what artistry is your newly released song state of grace you talk about woman and your mother what black women deal with in the world why did you write this song. i find that i find that my music. sort of a line to self what a lot of feminist stories and you know i spoke up against about a lyric every last year but i spoke about rick ross and artists like him little wayne as my peers and my contemporaries rather than enemies outside of the culture and because i spoke about it because i was critical of them as peers as opposed to saying that they're my enemy i had a lot of backlash a lot from certain feminist circles and which was was was daunting to me because i
feel like i've made an effort to place those ideas in my music and go as far as to always try to have female emcees represented and that viewpoint represented in my music so it made me realize that the state of hip hop has gotten so bad that there's a lot of people who have just completely dismissed hip hop and removed themselves from hip hop and don't listen to rick ross or me because they're like hip hop in general doesn't speak to me hip hop in general is massaging this to so i can't participate in it and so that song is for people who maybe grew up liking hip hop or love the beats and rhymes or but are just disillusioned by it and just want to stay away from it not because they don't love it but because they don't they feel like it doesn't love them. and tell if you just came out in there with a new album. you're also performing with a nine piece band at the brooklyn bowl maze and i wish i could see it talk about what all of what's next for you coming out cool gravity says director and no middleman is on the website quality club dot com that's where you can get it and
i'm excited about that when you get it i get your email you get my email we can talk about the album if you want. on june eleventh june twelfth i will be at brooklyn. all performing prisoner conscious lives which is that when put out last year we're going to record the whole thing put it out for sale but we're going to do two shows just to record it and you know give give and try to get it right now thank you so much tyler quality really appreciate coming on thank you. all right guys that's our show abby will be back to break the set all over again tomorrow have a great night. twisted steel. the result would.
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i looked at amber and she said you know i want. the door. get here or something wrong with. that i pull up and there's a. car out there with cover plates on it they said just killed. a full paragraph and that's all you know. the family began hearing details about the circumstances surrounding jessie's death within days of the official announcement they had said that. just. his humvee was struck. broke the checkpoint had the torch just to be hit. and jesse came out of the top of the turret and they think that he had broken his
neck. and that was it was a little. within an hour of the incident just the arrived at the thirty first combat support hospital in baghdad where he died on the operating table as doctors tried to save his life jesse was pronounced dead at two thirty five that morning from what doctors at the scene described as. massive blunt abdominal trauma the result of being thrown from the humvee that evening when the doctor examined the results of the post-mortem cat scan he noticed the presence of a bullet in just his back but did not fill out the paperwork to correct the death certificate later in a sworn statement he claimed that jesse did in fact die as a result of a gun shop alone or g.s. w. the final autopsy was performed on jessie's body at dover air force base during the autopsy the doctor discovered that jessie had not died from a trauma but from a penetrating gunshot wound to the back the issued
a new certificate of death the media plea although jessie's officers in iraq were alerted to the change in status the family continued to believe that their son was killed in a traffic accident. on the day of the funeral jessie's family and friends were joined by thousands of canton residents who pay their respects for the funeral it was amazing i mean i've never. been to a funeral where even i literally felt the love from the people around the community helped raise have in the community help bury him within hours of learning that jessie died from a bullet lodged in his back army officers in iraq knew that jessie was killed by either us or polish forces who opened fire when the driver of the dump truck failed to slow down or heed warnings to stop as gunfire rang out across the traffic circle the driver was shot and killed sending his truck careening into jesse's humvee. the search conducted on the dump truck revealed that the driver had no weapons thus officers inferred that the fatal gunshots must have come from us in polish forces
firing from positions behind jesse army officers launched an immediate investigation into the friendly fire incident including a ballistics analysis by the u.s. army criminal investigative laboratory within weeks the laboratory confirmed that the bullets extracted from jesse's back contain sufficient i'd. characteristics for comparison purposes and advised of the weapons used by u.s. and polish forces be collected. the final report disclosed that the shots likely came from the sector manned by polish forces the report concluded however that polish forces could not be held accountable for just because the army was concerned about international repercussions in other words because the polish were the third largest contingent in the coalition of the willing the army was hesitant to lay blame and anger their allies as a result. i.
just saved. the end of july. i got a copy of the casualty. and the cause of penetrating. that's first i heard that jesse was shot. friendly fire. i mean really start calling you know the army was shot he said shot him calling us commanders the moisture. state did you know just. confirm anything. like in february i get the autopsy. and you know it describes all just the century. and under circumstances such as friendly fire that's first we heard currently fire like nine months after i ask the house was just good soldier to people like how could they make the mistake of not
telling us it was shot not no one is a war at all until i read everything over and seen that the weapons were never collected and i knew they had to get it properly. in hopes of satisfying peggy's questions investigators held a powerpoint briefing for the family the presentation reiterated the army's position that the shots most likely came from the polish sector but that it remained inconclusive they did not mention that a ballistics test would have conclusively identified which weapon fired the fatal bullet during the same presentation the officers noted that the family had been informed that friendly fire was involved within days of the incident immediately peggie challenge the officers that's wrong. and they could not prove they could not show if you were in the notes we wanted the second investigation prove that to me
show me the casualty assistance officer document every thing everything out of the be documented show me where we were officially told. me that. this was friendly fire they couldn't show anything because it never. never what i've been trying for a year. if indeed my son is shot at the anybody from the army told me he was shot nobody nobody frustrated that the army seemed to be of aiding the truth he turned to the press. for more than a year and a half the mother of a fallen soldier has been trying to learn the truth about her son's death jessie's mom doesn't know exactly what to believe the family was told he died from internal injuries after a dump truck crashed into his humvee months later she saw all this penetrating gunshot to the back what's more it was friendly of lawyer. in response to the press
coverage of peggy's story the secretary of the army directed the inspector general to open a new investigation into jesse's case in the midst of the new investigation one officer stated that he felt the case had been swept under the rug another officer said he thought investigative officers were walking on eggshells because they felt they couldn't say anything bad about the poles. when the new investigators sought to retrieve the bullets for ballistics testing they made an unnerving discovery that they threw away the. they would treat the bullet from. the found wood gets the army i don't think they do anything out without a novel of regulations they probably can't order toilet doing. they have a soldier that you know. i guess the. boy ask questions they give a medal and say was a hero be good enough for which part of the lie am i supposed to believe. for every
body there is a next of kin and for every next of kin a telegram from the adjutant general to mrs rebecca. the secretary of the army has asked me to express his deep regret that your husband. died in vietnam on fourteen november one thousand nine hundred sixty five throughout history families have waited anxiously for word about the health and well being of their loved ones on the front lines during world war one the war department introduced a formal policy for informing families when a loved one was lost in battle to my knowledge they received a telegram saying the secretary of war is quite sorry that your loved one has been killed in action just what happened was a soldier in that unit would write the family and say johnny really got shot by. in which case then the family would start asking questions demand an investigation
or or an official explanation. the famous incident carol burnett made to tell told asian movie i think that's what happened there if i recall correctly somebody in the unit communicated with the family and they subsequently went questions of the military as to what to what happened. and similar incidences. where the families did become involved and did ask questions. probably brought this change of policy in the movie friendly fire starring carol burnett appeared on a.b.c. in the fall of one thousand nine hundred seventy nine based on the struggles of iowa farmers peg and gene mall in the film depicts their fight to obtain information about their son's tragic death in a foxhole in vietnam as a result of shrapnel from a u.s. artillery barrage. garnering an emmy for outstanding drama friendly fire raise
public awareness. about the lack of information provided the families of the fallen and likely was the driving force behind the subsequent changes in policy instituted by the department of defense within five years of the film's release the pentagon established casualty reporting regulations that specifically addressed friendly fire for the first time regulations dictated that the army inform families of the inflicting force involved and stipulated that reports should include circumstantial evidence as long as it's made clear where facts and supposition begins the army was now mandated to notify families of situations where friendly fire was even suspected. the integrity of this new policy would be tested in gulf war one. please.
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by the time the vietnam war ended. the image of the united states military in american society was that the military was rather bumbling incompetent ineffective institution and the officer corps in the couple of decades following the vietnam war was absolutely committed to. changing that image and restoring the reputation of the american military in the eyes of the american people get really stuck in you know like who cares about the war. or. to a great degree that effort achieved success by the time of operation desert storm in early one thousand nine hundred many commentators had expected the war against iraq to be a long drawn out bloody some people said another vietnam this was
a great triumph in the eyes of the officer corps a triumph not simply that. kuwait had been liberated a great triumph in the reputation carried over from vietnam days was seemingly buried once and for all. the one blemish on operation desert storm. was that. a substantial proportion of the small number of u.s. casualties suffered occurred as a consequence of friendly fire that's the fundamental lesson of vietnam for much of the military at the time we're talking about and so they were determined to maintain public support to show a new face to show success to show the recall the talk about smart the precipitation and training and professionalization of their force and they were determined to control the facts that fed that story line by any military stir. gulf
war one was a stunning victory by u.s. and coalition forces in the midst of such overwhelming success however reporters at the pentagon began to hear rumors about friendly fire washington post pentagon correspondent barton gellman was the first journalist to thoroughly cover rumors about friendly fire so it took about six months after the war for us to find enough people find the data piece together enough information from public records and the spaces inside them that we could do the story and the story was stunning frankly the army and marines agreed and the army upheld it to the letter that they would tell no family. about a friendly fire casualty and until they could tell all of them in a synchronized matter that was intended to set up the press conference the next day so it was decreed that always fell five pm would be the time that thirty
five casualty officers would show up on the doorsteps of thirty five next of kin and tell them that their loved ones had been killed by american forces and no one was to be told before that even if there was categorical evidence months before as there as there was in many cases the army held a formal press conference on aug twelfth at five pm announcing that thirty five of the one hundred forty eight american servicemen and women who died on the battlefield in the gulf war were killed and it vertically by their comrades for many families like the family of captain lance fielder the army's public relations strategy left them disconcerted douglas fielder everyone called him lance he was a combat engineer. the basic facts are that his truck broke down he was waiting for repair another unit from across a boundary which was a little bit lost on the map stumbled across and thought that he and his guys were acquiesce and kill them
a lieutenant colonel named john daley understood at the scene as soon as he got out of his bradley fighting vehicle that he had ordered his gunner to open fire and that the casualties were very good as he'd only knew it was friendly fire he did it . and yet the casualty officers went back and they reported to the family that their head son had died in an encounter with a republican guard it was just made up out of whole cloth. it was only when they got back to saudi arabia that the soldiers had access to phones and field as best friends of the unit called the family and told them what really happened to. the two soldiers the list of guys who called fielder's family told their unit commander. low ranking officer and they wouldn't say who it was they were afraid of getting in trouble as a lieutenant or a captain. what they told the family and he told them to shut up that if they said anything more they'd be court martialled. that this was way above their pay grade
and they'd better not do it again despite the family's six month campaign for information about the circumstances surrounding lance's death the army refused to confirm whether fielder had been killed by friendly fire until the joint notifications on aug twelfth at five pm the army had a clear directive explicit regulation six hundred thing that said that the families shall be notified promptly in any case and which has determined that the soldier died in friendly fire and the three star general who was in charge of personnel for the army in a two hour interview with me said that he is obliged to follow regulations but he's also obliged to deviate from them when he feels he has a good reason which is the usual understanding of regulations. keep flat out admitted that he had broken the rules. within six months of the end of combat operations the army had clear evidence that friendly fire was involved in every one
of the thirty five incidents and yet they failed to follow explicitly defined army regulations to notify families when defense secretary dick cheney appeared before us. senate panel he acknowledged that the families had to wait months for information about the deaths of their loved ones but defended the delays stating that it takes a few months to get a full and complete accounting is just a normal natural part of the process. and even within the officer corps people began to say how could this be this is unacceptable. and senior members of the officer corps. embarked upon a major project. the declared purpose of which was to ensure that in future conflicts there would be no fratricide as it was as it was called. and i think that. in essence in declaring
friendly fire casualties to be unacceptable despite the fact that they have been commonplace throughout all of military history. the military itself therefore set the bar that much higher in terms of what the public would expect. from that point forward due to issues in the handling of friendly fire cases during the gulf war the army completely revised regulations regarding the casualty reporting a friendly fire regulations now require that families be informed and accurate and timely manner when friendly fire is suspected further the army must notify families within days of an investigation into a suspected friendly fire incident i think the phenomenon of friendly fire probably extends back to the invention of gunpowder war is probably the most complex and difficult activity. such world war two. we've
invented a lot of technological means to assist us in overcoming that fog of war. but even so it doesn't it's still haven't gotten to one hundred percent even the best command given the best soldier. going to make mistakes the deadliest occurrence in u.s. military history is believed to be an incident during operation cobra in world war two when allied bombing raids missed enemy targets and killed over five hundred soldiers in a single day. when army regulation shifted and required that families be informed of friendly fire casualties the attitude toward friendly fire incidents also transformed in the new era of public disclosure friendly fire incidents were cast as criminal and accompanied by a campaign to demonize the responsible parties or even court martial during gulf war one an incident involving nineteen year u.s.
army veteran lieutenant colonel ralph alles became the first high profile case resulting from the change in friendly fire policy. on the night of february sixteenth one thousand nine hundred one pales took command of his apache helicopter to check on two iraqi vehicles believed to be a mile north of the american line. the flying conditions that night were less than optimal it was dark and there was a sandstorm growing. concerned about his true position on the battlefield males ask for clarification. and i don't want to bet that they didn't go like that i think that the arab red line. roger get everybody right so they're going to take him out although hills identified what he believed were iraqi vehicles he became concerned when his apaches fire control computer contradicted the grid coordinates provided by the troops on the ground relying on his battlefield instincts and commanding officers directions males prepared to fire on the vehicles. but they it's hard to
pull the trigger back me up a little bit here tell me how far ahead here are seven zero thirty eight hundred meters. before firing hale's attempted to lock on the vehicle but since they were friendly vehicles it failed to engage. with the plan. to. help us up and go. up one you could say that it was like a second one. that the plea to the droid the record what. ever such feel. like i did i can. tell that fact but it took them to go away ready in the back which fill.
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a cry for help. kill a bunch of people who don't know what they're up there or us people. that night to us army soldiers were killed and six wounded the day afterwards mills was relieved of duty within a week reports of the event appeared in the press including and identified sources within the pentagon to describe tales as a call boy and as someone who was looking for a fight and several months later hills defended himself noting that the army abandoned me they sold me to the press to make themselves look good.
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about it in the mainstream media but the elk river chemical spill is still very much a problem the residents of west virginia with the latest from the mountains to the water finally safe to drink and how have federal regulators handled the situation on that in just a moment also the white house says april's job numbers of a sign that the economy is on its way to a full recovery but is this really the case should we believe the hype alaska congress richard will later in the show and she lay is general argues though pinochet would be so proud of what america has become united states is now a glorified military into play how and why it's deleted. you need to know this america doesn't give a rat's ass about poor people case in point what's going on now in west virginia
almost four months after ten thousand gallons of a toxic coal cleaning chemical. known as m c.m.h. or m.c.a. leaked into the elk river and poison the water supply of hundreds of thousands of west virginians the federal government is just now starting to look into what happens to people who inhale that chemical over the next few months the environmental protection agency the e.p.a. will take vapor samples and then try to establish some sort of safe inhalation limit and while any actions but of the no action the e.p.a. is investigation is a great example of too little too late that's because it doesn't do anything to help the almost three hundred thousand people who were already exposed to m.c.h. vapors back when the chemical started leaking into their water supply in january as after raw whole group of the catalog charleston health department told the charleston daily mail i'm at
a loss as to what the utility is to the three hundred thousand people already exposed to m.c.h. out from this particular test of course it would be one thing if the public knew about what the long term effects of them c.h.l. exposure are but it doesn't and it will probably be years decades even before we know how destructive the elk river spill really was is to add insult to injury if this recent information is all new to you at sadly not surprising although the spill was national news back in january and february it's fallen off the radar of the mainstream media ever since why because west virginia is mostly full of poor people and it's mostly poor people who are being hurt by this bill. of course had the elk river spill occurred them in the hudson river off the wealthy upper west side of the atten or the potomac river along the upscale georgetown waterfront it would be a story on mainstream networks and cable news shows every spare light and can you
imagine what the reaction would be of toxic chemicals leaked into new york city's water supply and it took the e.p.a. four months to check out how dangerous it was to inhale as chemicals. but because the elk river spill happened in mostly rural poor and economically depressed west virginia no one in the mainstream media characters in fact silence on the ongoing environmental disaster in west virginia is pretty representative of the state of our country these days while we're outraged that an old racist like clippers owner donald sterling smears a wealthy african-american like magic johnson we never had a national conversation about his ideas on race during the decades that he's been discriminating against his impoverished black and latino tenants and while congress could find time for yet another trip down the road gazi rob rabbit hole it still has an extended unemployment benefits or raise the minimum wage to things that would actually help struggling americans everywhere you look these days the two main institutions that should protect the powerless are b.d.s.
and our government are standing idly by as our country marches through a new gilded age. after all as i'm sure you'll see in the corporate new shows this week and this coming sunday is made the republican news shows like talk about poisoned poor people in west virginia where there are fancy rich people at the white house correspondents' dinner. joining me now to talk about what's going on in west virginia is coal state staff writer for in these times cool welcome back thanks so much you're doing great reporting thank you staying on the story so the obvious question why did hasn't taken the e.p.a. for months i mean i wish you could have gina mccarthy on the show and ask her that question because if you talk to you know people who are in the community environmental groups public health advocates they say this is you know there's no reason why this should have taken four months to do so i mean the e.p.a. you know should answer that question but yes people that i've been following this doesn't make a whole lot of sense the e.p.a.
has been suffering for years now under budget cuts sequenced ration i mean you know it's one of the favorite targets of the republicans who are not certainly not enhanced in their budget is there might there be some actual rational explanation like gee we're just out of inspectors there might be part of it you know people like people in the area of charleston west virginia about three hundred thousand people that were affected by this you know contamination of the water supplies say that really the federal government hasn't been giving them enough attention you know throughout this whole process i mean and just to underline this you know there was a study that west virginia the state commission did a study and found that when they looked and they counted for inhalation and also expect other kinds of exposure or excuse me for the media consumption drinking it but also exposure through inhalation through skin irritation they found that the standard limit was actually eight times more stringent than what the c.d.c. had been using before so these numbers are out there people been calling on the
e.p.a. to do this for a while and. as you said it's too little too late for a lot of people could there be a political piece of this in this and this is not even partisan politics it's more like you know money drives politics you got joe manchin is a democrat he says yeah senator from the state ok rockefeller democrat i think jay rockefeller has to worry someone. about money for the next election cycle but he does have to respond to people who are worried about losing their jobs in the coal industry this is coal chemical you've got it you've got a democratic governor as i recall but they're all basically in bed with fossil fuels and so might they have either not played a role in demanding immediate federal action or even played a role in slowing down that was sponsored to this to kind of keep it out of the news i mean here's the thing even even governor rockefeller governor rockefeller and even the even the governor called for governor tomblin called for that
additional separate investigation and you know to be held because federal regulators weren't doing enough so there is a sense that it's almost as kind of bipartisan issue when people's safety is at risk and the other thing about this you know is that the e.p.a. is now finally going to start figuring out a standard for inhalation they still they are going to start doing right now. and the same time. the dismantling of these storage tanks is supposed to take place as early as next week so you have workers you're going to expose people exactly you have to dismantle the tank then presumably you're releasing more of it into the air you're having to deal with it so you know what benefit is this to state regulators who are trying to handle this to workers who are on the scene dealing with this when the federal government doesn't even know what the appropriate permissable level is of these and this company has declared bankruptcy bailed him out of town ok meanwhile last week we had two trains one was carrying crude oil another was
carrying coal that derailed within twenty four hours of each other lynchburg virginia and bowie maryland what's the and in fact i mean here's a mind boggling statistic twenty thirteen last year saw more oil spilled in the train accidents than in the previous four he years yes one year. forty years it's going to and i think the biggest thing is the fracking boom that has taken place mostly in north dakota and so there is all this oil that's being produced right now a lot of gas being produced right now and basically the industry is struggling to get the product to market there's not enough pipelines so you have this massive spike in sending this stuff by rail because there's no other way to get it to people. i think the other part of why you know the accidents have been so bad is that the agency that regulates this within the department of transportation. has found that actually that crude oil that comes from north dakota is actually more
dangerous potentially more flammable than the normal crude oil so there's a joke suppose that the people in the bottom range in north dakota tell which is that you know regular crude oil or something like that looks like a guinness you know dark. thick looking thing. where you know baku to something like a miller light it looks like it looks like gasoline you know to the untrained eye it actually boils at ninety five degrees fahrenheit i mean i mean the highest risk as a nation is ninety five degrees if that's if this stuff starts boiling in ninety five degrees and it's in giant. train cars which are typically painted black with sorbs heat hot sunny day and were hitting routinely one hundred degrees now you know in the in the midwest. as the summer months come along i mean are these train cars going to start turning into. cocktails i mean it's not only that this stuff boils at such a low temperature it's the fact the train cars that are being used are themselves inadequate there is going to go what's this d.o.t.
want to love so this is the train that's being used there kind of came into fruition in the sixty's not really meant to be to be transporting crude oil but this is what they're using right now and that's kind of the federal standard is these the oats you want to live in cars. you know i did a piece about how shippers are misclassifying oil so they have to classify before they can put it in the proper container even if it's cost if i properly oftentimes it's still going on these train cars that need to be retrofitted the industry acknowledges that you know they want to retrofit these cars and update the standard because right now it just doesn't cut it so that's that stuff like installing making the tank thicker. putting on pressure release valves putting a layer of thermal protection in there the stuff the industry voluntarily is doing because because they don't because they don't want to have an explosion and the federal government doesn't even require that they do it that's astounding are these like. eleven trains where they like for something original. general purpose move a liquid still moving moving liquid it seems like in some hazardous materials
doesn't seem like oil was one of them. and you know canada is taking steps right now to phase out these cars in the canadian government which is going through its own energy boom on its own right is now taking steps to to move away from these new yorkers were talking about governor cuomo wants to phase them out. i mean this is the federal regulators are getting really concerned about this there is a safety forum on the rail and t.s.b. held and the outgoing chair of the n.t.s.b. and one of our last days working in the n.t.s.b. really warned about how this is something that we good is need to get their act together. because this is you know a really dangerous job on the words heard seeable thanks keep up the great work i do. coming up the newest job numbers from the bureau of labor statistics show that the economy gained two hundred eighty eight thousand jobs last month bringing the unemployment rate down to six point three percent it's the lowest level since september of two thousand and eight but those numbers really all it cracked up to be the answer from dr richard will be there for the birth.
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in screwed news the fast food industry is the most unequal industry in america according to a recent report put out by the progressive think tank demos the average fast food c.e.o. takes home twenty three point eight million dollars every year the average fast food worker takes home around nineteen grand a year this translates into a c.e.o. to worker pay ratio of around twelve hundred to one that's the culmination of a trend that's been going on for over a decade the c.e.o. to worker pay ratio in the fast food industry it's only about two hundred to one in two thousand but it grew by over four hundred seventy percent over the next twelve years ballooning to a thousand to one and then twelve hundred to one in two thousand and eleven twenty
twelve respectively. the level of inequality in the fast food industry today and the economy as a whole is a worrisome sign and has many economists thinking that the u.s. is now in a new gilded age at the same time however other economic indicators suggest that the american economy has turned a corner and is inching never so slightly toward full recovery from the two thousand a crisis the latest numbers from the bureau of label labor statistics for example show that the u.s. economy added two hundred eighty eight thousand jobs just in april and that the unemployment rate drop down from six point seven to six point three percent this marks the fiftieth straight month of job growth under president obama something the white house has been quite sure to point out. but this is job growth really all it's cracked up to be as the focus on the unemployment rate and job numbers distracting us from a deeper conversation about the underlying problems plaguing the american economy
joining me now from new york for more on this is richard wolffe economist professor of economics emeritus at the university of massachusetts amherst and author of numerous books including his latest democracy at work richard welcome back. thank you tom glad to be here great great to have you with us so obviously there's an inequality problem in america but fifty straight months of job growth two hundred eighty eight thousand jobs added in april of four tenths of a percent drop in the unemployment rate it all sounds good what should we make of this. well i think it's very very mixed bag it's always good to have jobs being opened up that is enough there to give people work but we've been focused way too much on the sheer number of the unemployment rate and the sheer number of jobs created to really get back to anything like what we were in two thousand and four five six seven before this crisis hit we would need to do major other things the
two most important we would have to do something about the millions of workers that have dropped out of the labor force that have given up looking for work part of the reason the unemployment rate goes down is the way we measure and so if people stop looking we count that as a reduction in the number who are unemployed it's technically true but it shouldn't be understood as a good thing it really actually a very bad thing and even more important we've seen no increase in wages so what that means is we've got fewer americans working than we have the in many many years and they're not earning very much money and they can't borrow the way they used to and they're all worried about spending money because their job benefits and their. future is looking very grim to be as polite about it as i ten and you put that all together and that's why our recovery is so anemic and that's why for most people it doesn't feel like
a recovery at all because the underlying real support for the economy what people can afford to spend that hasn't gone up at all whatever these numbers say the. republicans in the house of representatives actually in the senate they were filibustering for quite some time and then finally this extension of unemployment benefits from three days after christmas when it got cut off has passed the senate now it's sitting with john boehner he's refusing to bring it up for a vote but that's it's almost now two million people could it be that that roughly two million people whose long term unemployment benefits have vanished basically. that many of them have gone from being long term unemployed looking for jobs and in the unemployment numbers to given up workers and that there's actually some benefit to the administration in the republicans refusing to extend these long term unemployment benefits because it keeps the apparent unemployment number down
or in areas that are just a relationship between the two. no no it's absolutely the case the longer you're on employed everybody knows this around the world we here in the united states can't face these realities very well but everyone knows that the longer you're unemployed the more likely you are to lose your connections to where you used to work to lose your skills to lose your sense of self esteem because you've been out so long to lose the savings you might have accumulated to put a strain on all your relationships every one of those things pushes you in the direction of giving up of becoming a person who lives by the grace of friends and family a person who tries to make do maybe with not all together legal activities but a person who drops out of the labor force which is a loss to all of us that person in the first place but all of the rest of us who no longer get the benefit of the work that kind of person had done all is our life and
is prepared to do but there's no place for him or her and so yes it's a kind of a republican posturing that somehow they're going to be tough on the budget and the democrats giggling because it makes the unemployment numbers go down and if they hype that enough they can distract everybody from the millions of people that we're losing as productive parts of our society to their detriment and to that of everybody else between this drop in participation the labor force force and the flat wages and a trillion dollars in student debt are we are we looking at a lost generation. we're looking at a lost generation but we're also looking at you know and i won't take the time to talk about the human tragedy of all the people that are being lost to themselves to their families to their communities but we're also not learning a basic lesson of economics we live in
a system where the employers and the government that they control. all are constantly achieving so-called economies throwing people out of work by moving abroad throwing people out of work by technology and they never ask and stop the to pose the question if we don't hire people if we don't pay them properly then there's nobody going to be there to buy whatever it is we produce and that's why we have an anemic recovery it's a system that cannot see beyond the immediate benefits of profitability even far enough to understand that in a sense they're killing the goose that laid the golden egg for them for all these generations paying people a proper salary gives them the way to buy what you produce not paying them laying them off all of that undercuts that capacity and the country then begins to have the kind of mushrooming problems we see around us yeah that's a problem for the country many of these corporations are trapped agile corporations
and they're just figuring a way there's a huge new consumer market the chinese middle class is now larger than the population the entire united states right there but let's call it by what it is it means that multinational corporations are basically abandoning the united states starting thirty years ago they moved production of goods then they moved production of services now just because of the reasons you pointed out to they're beginning to realize that the consequence of what they did beans that the growing consumers are over there not here so there they abandon the united states as a market as well as the location of production the end result is to prunes is to produce the detroit and and cleveland and camden new jersey and all of that and the rest of us wondering whether what happened to those former centers of business is what's in store for all the rest of us if this logic of the abandonment of the united states by the large corporate sector is allowed to continue it's the third
world is ation of the united states actually in the in the two minutes we have left what would be your policy prescription. well you know i'm tired of the old ideas of let's regulate is let's pass a law it won't do we've tried all of that we've been there we've done it now is the time we have to face the need for bigger decisions and the one that i favor is to change the organization of our enterprises to stop making them undemocratic places where a tiny group of folks at the top major shareholders of boards of directors make all the decisions they're the ones that are firing people they're the ones that are moving out of the country they're the ones that are not paying taxes they're the ones that are hiding their assets abroad and all the rest that you document so well if the people themselves if the workers in the communities that depend on these enterprises democratically random would they close the the factories here and move them abroad i don't think so would they give the wealth to
a tiny group of people at the top like those c.e.o.'s of the fast food joints that you were talking about i don't think so they spread the wealth more evenly we wouldn't have to fight about redistribution because you wouldn't have an equally distributed our wealth in the first place we have to change how we run our enterprises or all the rest is just playing at the edges and not dealing with the core problem that is becoming an urgent daily problem for all of us talking about like mon that are gone and spain or or union the arab peninsula manufacturing in madison wisconsin where we were growing that the resurrection you know where a country that claims that we're in favor of democracy and yet we organize our enterprises to have a tiny group of people make decisions that impact both the community and their workforce without the community in the workforce being part of that decision that's undemocratic that's why we fought a revolution to start this country and it seems to me that's the way we have to go to solve the problem of a de of an economy being
a big end and by the people who want us to keep subsidizing and rescuing and bailing them out even as they are leaving the ship that their actions helping to see. i think you did the you've nailed it richard wolffe thanks so much for being with us tonight it's my pleasure thank you it's always great to see. the. work that is green report we go to washington state washington d.c. may be unable to do much in the climate change fight but washington state isn't about to wait on the us congress last week governor jay inslee issued an executive order to create a special task force to reduce carbon emissions he will direct that task force to design a cap and market system reduce the use of coal fired power plants and set firm limits on carbon emissions in addition governor inslee is plan calls for developing more clean transportation investing in renewable energy and increasing the
efficiency of public and private buildings once again a state is taking the lead on climate action because our national lawmakers aren't doing enough to protect our planet washington state follows california and oregon and many of these actions and more states are stepping up in the climate change fight for the sake of our planet our future and our entire species in this taken media action to reduce global warming it's great washington state is joining the fight and we need to keep pushing until every state is doing their part. coming up benghazi mania is back in back of the measurements why can't conservatives let this issue go and why does the media enable their insanity more on that after the break .
nothing has been. this complex by the military since world war two. this is quite frankly in historical terms the berlin airlift in reverse. order some seven point seven zero down to some load shifting on takeoff because your ground become stable you're talking really billions of dollars to move billions of dollars worth of equipment at what point is the false no longer worth to invest. missions are forcing that. sucks and the finish line out of time.
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the american legislative exchange council has made most of its noise and achieved most of its successes at the state level so what is the group now trying to influence environmental policy at the federal level and for nearly two hundred years the military had been prevented from engaging in domestic affairs and from enforcing state laws but today's supreme court is apparently fine with letting the military lockup over and so this incident and them for indefinite amounts of time whatever happened to our constitutional rights are on that in tonight's debate it. in the best of the rest of the news but gaza to gaza because they are republicans like their allies they have been complaining more about ghazi lately than g.m. complained about marsh on the brady bunch they're now claiming the newly uncovered e-mails are probably wrong positive of
a white house magazine cover up on friday speaker of the house john boehner announced he was setting up a select committee to look into them and ghazi attacks and while boehner was busy appeasing his party's conspiracy theorist's congressman darrell issa the g.o.p.'s chief which on earth subpoenaed secretary of state john kerry calling him to testify. course but ghazi. so of course fox so called news is continuing to do its part to play up the idea of been gazi as a cover up this past weekend the network was all over benghazi which shouldn't come as a surprise considering that according to politico the world word benghazi has been mentioned at least one thousand one hundred one. on fox news programs in the past year alone meanwhile today white house press secretary jay carney got into it with fox so-called news is ed henry over this latest manufactured benghazi story take a look. in light of that nine fourteen two and a half days later he's been rose right about the june
a state of affairs as you say highlighting the video and not highlighting character . in the e-mail was about protests around the region do you notice not be of the cia's i'm sure you know how you can read amount all you want the only thing in that e-mail that refers to benghazi is a cut and paste from the broad talking points which much to your disappointment and your bosses disappointment turned out to be produced by the cia whatever information in there that turned out not to be accurate has been addressed multiple times by folks at the cia and elsewhere i join me now to talk more about the latest bout of benghazi fever within the republican party is telling christopher white house correspondent and political analyst for the daily banter the daily tommy they will come back thanks for having great honor. first of all if i could start with this is graphic we. called news of in here and lots and lots and lots
of and we've got a graphic here to show on this thing and i think here at. the let's see the green line to get the red line is the conversations about benghazi the green line was conversations about obamacare but as you can see obamacare started being successful so the conversation sort of trailing off the blue line was conversations about clive bundy and. when he made his comment it's all racist comment there that collapsed and so it looks like fox had nothing to talk about and suddenly the red line which has been ghazi just goes through yeah yeah i would say to you i think this sort of reminds me of like a nerds fire commercial you know because you got like obamacare they're like oh you know what the moments here are and then you got. one knee and you know going and then all of a sudden in an hour you're got benghazi and right back up out and i think this was can probably last four hours so long your doctor for apple so what what what
is the story here i mean apparently a filing by larry klayman in judicial watch or one of the other got some document that wasn't given to darrell lies back when he subpoenaed them and this is now proof that. something i did you know did what's this what's this what's the story well you know here's the thing i think is that there is a legitimate i don't know. point to be made about whether or not the white house should have turned this over when they turn over the rest of the stuff but i mean you know there's one line in the e-mail that's not about benghazi it's about the protests that were in the region. and and it says you know one of the goals of her appearance is to to show that the the protests in the region were motivated by the video and not by a broader policy and that's what they're seizing on as if you know we don't all remember that map with you know places all over the world where people were protesting about this video i saw them up on fox news and now they're sort of like
oh of course why would she go in there and talk about all these protests and they're conflating these things what i find interesting is and you know the sort of thing for the last time we were talking about climate change this is it's a it's now been almost a year to the day i asked jay carney about this today it's been a year to the day since john coral broke his fake benghazi may actually get obtain the e-mails. that prove that the white house had politicized the benghazi talking points turns out he hadn't obtained anything he had been fed inaccurate summaries by republican sources and and it turned out they had proved nothing. one year for one year one year later and here we have the same guy claiming to have proven the same thing all over again and so you know people you know fox news has their audience people who expect from fox and i think the average american says you know here's that fox has got a hard on for benghazi it's not really change their mind when they hear somebody who works for an objective and ups you know has to in a sense we objective news organization making this charge over and over again year
after year you know the noise starts to sink in and say well there must be some to what right i mean if there wasn't a fire in the sky and so i find you know that actions by people like karl and when he does it or the reporters have to ask questions to some of them legitimate some of them maybe not so fair but then it just it makes it into a thing instead of just letting it die out like like you know a fading erection to what extent does this to what extent is this the early muddying or. whatever the metaphor is of hillary clinton well i mean i think i think you know they saw that game coming and you know when they got up in the morning you know i think that was the objective from the beginning i mean there was our exams i think it's always been a twofer during the bush during the dirty bush eight years there were thirteen benghazi like attacks on u.s. embassies or consulates around the world are we so we have not heard one word about any of the recent boob one happened one happened while hillary clinton secretary of
state and oh my god the world is coming to want to and he says the problem because you know the white house and i think the sort of paint them as the victims because it's not i mean but they rely on the press to point that out that it's not like you know jay carney or president to come out saying well we don't have the one i mean i would be like political suicide so it's up to people like members of the press to point out that the response to this is hugely disproportionate while over and the biggest intelligence failure that happened during the bush administration was in one of those thirteen embassies and it was nine eleven. and you know we're. right now actually i didn't. leandra dot com yeah that's exactly it's mind boggling that you i mean just imagine if president obama had someone like that p.d.p. that p.v. i would say you know i think that a lot of people that the pity is the president had been launched on this right inside the united states in iran right if he had gotten a p.t.b. a few weeks earlier that it said i'm sorry are determined to strike benghazi
consulate. may be all over you could me maybe he'd be impeached and you know probably works amazing. the white house correspondence that we have a picture of you and eric bolling. over there and every go yeah so how is it it was great you know i mean is this one of the things i like about the dinner is it's sort of like summer camp for us yeah for journalist and for media people i've been to a lot of bush or i was on the west coast but like you know i see people haven't seen a long time i get so you know it's first time i've met bowling but he and i we spar on twitter all the time and we can get pretty nasty to each other but you know you meet it's true stay i also met jason mattera for the first time we've also feud with you know you have a truce and yet you make nice and i will say this about bawling and i told him this too i said you know he. despite our disagreements and our feuding he's the only person at fox news with the courage to engage me and i really appreciate that well
that's i mean that's like you tom in your the same way you like them conservatives on here yeah there is you're the better i'm perfectly willing to engage in that tommy great to have you thanks for having town so it's always a pleasure tommy christopher. it's the good the bad of the very very hard chill and play oddly the good news gingrich. that the gingrich former speaker of the house and i don't agree on a lot of things will believe it or not we have the same idea about what to do about about the los angeles clippers now that the n.b.a. is going to try and make donald sterling sell the team on thursday game tweet saying the right answer to the clippers ownership challenge is to sell it to the people of los angeles green bay billionaires is the model well said mr speaker like
you probably heard it from me here right now if we could only get you to feel the same way about every other part of the commons of the bat roy moore the chief justice of the alabama supreme court has some pretty crazy ideas about the first amendment he told a recent faster for life luncheon that its freedom of religion clause only protects christians check it out. everybody in the united states supreme court has been deceived as to what men were. in the first amendment call religion but you can define it they can define what a mason madison and even the united states supreme court on the duties we owe to the creator in the manner of discharging it they don't want to do that because that knowledge is a creator god. created us i haven't been created. it's a god of the holy scriptures they didn't bring a qur'an over on the mayflower. one hour jefferson got the korean that he had any
doubt that i mention that this guy is the chief justice of alabama supreme court this is nuts and a very very ugly mike christian although last week's box botched execution of convicted murderer clayton lockett in oklahoma is making many americans do some deep soul searching about the death penalty oklahoma state representative mike christian is doubling down on his support for capital punishment the local news station on saturday that he doesn't care whether inmates are executed by injection electric sure firing squad a hanging the guillotine or being federal law ions i think it's safe to say that when public officials start celebrating how the romans executed people there's something wrong i mean why not go all the way and start crucifying people it's just really. coming up imagine a country where the military has the power to come to your home and capture you take you away detain you for an indefinite amount of time maybe the rest of your
what about the big picture alec the american legislative exchange council has some new tricks up its sleeve conservative think tank funded in part by the koch brothers as spent years trying to undermine the environmental protection agency and any policy is that seek to protect our environment or our planet the harmful effects of pollution and global warming but now alec is stepping up its fight against the e.p.a. and clean energy policies with methods that according to the center for media and democracy are unlike anything that group has ever done before so what democracy destroying methods are it's alec resorting to now and what does this shift in
tactics say about alex influence. and power going forward joining me now for more on this is brandon fisher general counsel of allocate exposed and the center for media and democracy brendel welcome back to the program thanks for having me great to have you so what's the what's the new shtick here what's what is the that is sure is new and novel that alec is doing so elec it's been around for forty years they've their their m.o. is to create these model bills model bills drafted by corporations voted on by lobbyists and legislators that state legislators bring back and use in their own name on the state level and they also push resolutions be passed in the state level urging congress to do something like urging congress to know look to not let the e.p.a. regulate regulate greenhouse gases their latest tactic is to organize state attorney generals to sue the federal government to sue the e.p.a. earlier this year according to documents that were obtained by our research director next thirty. or alec organized a conference call with state legislators hosted by including nebraska's attorney
general john bruning in talking about ways to organize state attorney generals to basically advance the agenda of alec corporations like peabody energy like koch industries like american electric power through this conference call what alec is basically doing is making legislators into lobbyists for these oil or for these are coal and energy companies and urging state attorney generals to foot the legal bill for these for these polluter corporals that they're turning the legislators in a lobbyist and turning the attorneys general into into litigators yeah that's exactly right and that's exactly right so jump running did file suit against e.p.a. rules that were promulgated so he did what they wanted he did what they wanted he sort of turned over the ask the attorney general or various the very first of the useful idiots into it well he's apparently he's been connected to the coal and energy interests for a while he's gotten hundreds of thousands of dollars of campaign contributions from
these from these groups from these corporations supposed to be the chief law enforcement officer of the state. yet when he ran for senate last year he's currently running or in two thousand and twelve he ran for senate he had a fundraiser held by murray coal c.e.o. at that fundraiser he raised one hundred thousand dollars from coal interests and from utility interests he also has been endorsed by citizens united the group that brought the famous us supreme court decision and now he's the first attorney general to file suit against these new e.p.a. rules that would that would regulate these new proposed u.p.a. rules that would regulate emissions from coal powered fire plants and of course that's not something the coal companies or the utility companies are big fans of what's the strategy with regard to the lawsuits is it tied up in court and thus preventing pullman taishan is it to actually overturn their ability to execute i mean do they actually think there's a chance of winning more is. just some. a p.r. stunt i mean you know what's going on here i'd say it's
a little bit of both and they're probably going to be multiple multiple lawsuits so he jumped the gun a little bit he filed suit before the rule has taken effect before these new standards for coal power plants are taking effect so there's really no we don't even we don't even know what the standards are you yeah well yeah yeah he would have no standing that's exactly right that he doesn't he probably does not have standing there's no alleged injury that that he can that he can bring a suit on behalf of people who have been injured so that maybe it may fail on procedural grounds but there will be additional additional lawsuits filed in the near future and they are trying to get as many as many states on board as possible to create the appearance of brought up position to these rules and in an earlier segment tonight we were talking about how the e.p.a. is just finally getting around to checking out what's going on in west virginia i mean this is an agency that has been starved of funding over the last two decades or so by republican congresses could it be that this the e.p.a. thing is another part of the let's kill the e.p.a.
let's let's you know i mean it costs a lot of money to fight lawsuits yeah you know if you're a government agency absolutely and you know it really does work both ways because the state attorney generals they're using taxpayer funds to attorney generals have limited limited resources they are charged with enforcing the laws within the state but they also have a certain amount discretion about what they're going to prioritize so if you have an attorney general like john bruning who deciding to prioritize this this lawsuit against the e.p.a. that's diverting that's diverting potential resources away from other law enforcement law and law enforcement needs it's using the state's lawyers to file suit and sue the government basically on behalf of peabody energy and murray coal and all the companies that would be affected by this rule that's absolutely astounding you were meeting in missouri this past thursday and we have left here any any news out of that you know they did they did host a trip to occur. fire plant for state legislators state legislators went to
a trip to a went to visit a coal powered by your plant just outside of kansas city legislators once again stepped down with corporate lobbyist and they voted it equals to adopt model bills i think my favorite presentation was called regulating electronic cigarettes jeffersonian style we know that you enjoy electronics that electronic cigarette manufacturers enjoy joined alec joined alec last year and lo and behold there's a section on regulating electronic cigarettes so you give alec enough money and they basically exactly exactly exactly. all right gerri willis keep up your great work thanks for having me thank you. thank. you so want to be young looking human beings have been searching for the fountain of youth ever since the first caveman realize they were starting to get crows feet
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america is now officially being ruled by a military one time that's right much like the military government in chile that was led by general augusto pinochet our military now has expansive powers which. frankly infringe upon our constitutional rights back on december thirty first two thousand and eleven president obama signed the national defense authorization act the n.d.a. into law for fiscal year two thousand and twelve the n.d.a. is a bill that is passed into law every year which allows the government to continue funding national security and military operations for the following fiscal year. but the two thousand and twelve bill wasn't your average and the a bill the two thousand and twelve version of the n.d.a. gave the federal government vast new powers to add to its arsenal in the name of fighting terrorism opponents of the act and even some of its supporters and
sponsors believe that it gives the federal military the power to carry out the policing of american citizens here in america something that's been off the books in a mic in the in america since the posse comitatus act was signed into law back in nine hundred seventy eight many believe the n.b.a. gives dictatorial powers to the federal government military because it allows our military to arrest any american citizen you without a warrant on american soil and to hold you any american citizen against your will for an indefinite amount of time like the rest of your life without ever even being criminally charged in january of two thousand and twelve journalist chris hedges along with attorneys bruce afrin and carl mayer sued the federal government over section ten twenty one b. two of the two thousand and twelve and v.a. according to the lawsuits website stop indiait dot org that provision includes
undefined terms such as associated forces and substantial support terms the government attorneys refused to clarify the right of the u.s. government to detain anyone anywhere without charge until the end of hostilities is now codified into law. later in two thousand and twelve u.s. district judge katherine forest declared that that part of the n.b.a. was indeed unconstitutional in her decision forrest wrote that section ten twenty one b. two of the n.b.a. echoed the one nine hundred forty four supreme court ruling in cora mots ovi us which let our military detain over one hundred thousand japanese americans during world war two and throw them into internment camps without due process not a good moment in our history the federal government appealed forest's ruling asking the second circuit court of appeals for a stay of forest ruling the second circuit agreed with the government's request for
a stay at alternately tossed out forests decision altogether after that decision had his african mayor in the lawsuits other players asked the supreme court to hear the case. and last monday the supreme court announced that it would not hear the case. after learning of the supreme court's decision not to hear the case attorney carl mayor said that in deciding to hear the case hedges vio bamma and quinine has been declining to hear the case edges of the two obama and declining to review the n d a the supreme court has turned its back on precedent dating back to the civil war era that holds that the military cannot police the streets of america this is a major blow to civil liberties it gives the green light to the military to detain people without trial or counsel in military installations including secret installations abroad there is little left of judicial review of presidential action during wartime. and chris hedges wrote that in refusing to hear our lawsuit the
courts have overturned nearly one hundred fifty years of case law that repeatedly holds that the military has no jurisdiction over civilians our military thanks to the wording of the n.d.a. now has the power to label us as terrorists to capture us to lock us up in jail and to hold us there without any regard for our constitutional rights to due process or to a fair trial section ten twenty one b. two of the ten twenty twelve and a trashes our constitution and the very freedoms that our founding fathers fought and died for despite what the supreme court may think our constitution still says we have the rights to due process to a free to a trial and not to be thrown in jail by the military in this case a highly reactionary supreme court has thrown away nearly two hundred years of historical precedent and turned its back on the american people i want my constitution back. and that's the way it is tonight monday may fifth two thousand
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up on our t.v. in eastern ukraine government forces clash with anti kip activists with casualties on both sides tensions continue to grow the latest from the region just ahead. and rand paul continues his fight against the u.s. drone program the senator plans to put a hold on the federal court nomination of a lawyer who gave legal justification for a drone strike more on that coming up. as lawmakers have enjoyed first class flights on the taxpayers' dime but now there's a push to make congress members pay for those flights out of their own pockets but more on that later in the show. it's monday may face eight pm here in washington d.c. .