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an airport in kuala lumpur think of what happened to his. relative by marriage jams on tech who was executed by the regime or the head of the defense and security stopped all the testimony given last year in london by the number two in the north korean embassy who defected the most high ranking official in north korea to defect going to do given that the witnesses that you're taking evidence from it's in their interest just say what they're saying to the amount of arrived at my university office four years ago he described twice from north korea he showed me the scars on his back where he had been tortured he'd been abandoned there during the period of the famine when two million people died in north korea he described how he had been able to escape first time was repatriated by the chinese he escaped a second time and his vivid account of what happened to him wasn't make believe in many of the other people that i have met who had been in the camps and escaped from the camps there was an extraordinary woman called heywood who gave evidence before members of both houses and she described what life was like in those camps and anyone who is skeptical about this should read those accounts but they should more
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importantly read the united nations commission of inquiry account at the end of which the united nations said that those responsible for these agreed violations of human rights should be brought to justice with a referral to the international criminal court for crimes against humanity and of course we know the crimes against humanity are so often the accusations come to those that have been against united states foreign policy and nato policy but it's not just about united states that's the doubt about evidence being presented at these international organizations well i don't have that doubt and i'm not hostile to the united states i mean favor of the rule of law and it's the rule of law nor the rule of law take someone like omar al bashir the president of sudan indicted by the international criminal court not because of united states but because of the genocide committed against other muslims in darfur just coincidentally two million who died in south sudan during the civil war you think. should be taken to the international criminal court for destroying africa's richest country libya oh don't be ridiculous is not to reason make is destroyed. anyway historically that's
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a support is to triple work well people support policies that go wrong and their inquiries into these things and i'm not saying that people in western countries should be immune from prosecution quite the reverse if you can demonstrate that they only if you can demonstrate that they are responsible for genocide or crimes against humanity then they should be indicted so period because a britain of the united states wiped out twenty percent of the population of korea men women and children millions and millions of people correct three million people died in the korean war two and a half million of them were koreans a quarter of a million chinese died servicemen because the british a little boy found here thousand british servicemen died thirty thirty four thousand americans died it was a catastrophic islam a will leave their career twenty percent of the population was wiped out by britain and america should britain and america face the international criminal court for what it did to north korea these events took place between one hundred fifty and one hundred fifty three the international criminal court is time expired and that
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really respect any waste the statute of rome says it cannot investigate earlier events but the chinese and the north koreans were also responsible for the vast lot of huge numbers of people this was a war that took place for three long years i'm going to rerun the clip while there is a way that britain and the united states should have any business in north korea or in the green peninsula is another argument you know i'm going to wait a minute the united nations were they passed a resolution saying that an international force it wasn't just the british and the americans should go in in order to prevent korea from being overtaken by the communist forces there who were supportive that time of course by russia and by china so the young men back the feeling of twenty percent of the korean peninsula the u.n. didn't start out with that objective there was a war that was already underway and they save the lives of many people without it there wouldn't be a free and democratic and prosperous south korea today you presumably favor sanctions against kim jong il and of course i do but you heard the testimony about what sanctions did as regards the famine that killed two million you say the same.
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i didn't do that the least and the system in north korea did that and again i'm not an advocate for the system in north korea quite the reverse i love the people of north korea i hate their system the ideology is responsible for what is happening north korea it's the g.d.p. of south korea's twenty or twenty times more than that of north korea a quarter of all of north korea's wealth goes into armament it's got the world's fourth largest standing on twenty percent of its population was killed the only thing was just what would you i mean there is oracle importance here sixty years ago china said it wanted it was developing nuclear weapons would you have sanctioned china for developing nuclear weapons sixty years ago i'm in favor of a deescalation of nuclear arms race it was khrushchev who of course famously said that if there was a nuclear war then the survivors would envy the dead it's in all our interest to try and reduce nuclear tensions which is why russia and china have voted at the security council for sanctions because they believe that the escalation of a nuclear arms race is wrong the hydrogen bomb that has just been detonated by north korea had a capacity greater than the bombs dropped on next arche or hiroshima that's the
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scale of what we're up against so north korea is deliberately violating international law i don't think anyone should deliberately escalate the arms race what we should do is try and reduce it however i think we're probably now at a point where certainly i don't believe that there are any legitimate military options that should be used in north korea i think we are at a point of mutually assured destruction as we were in the cold war which is why we need a mixture yes of sanctions but also diplomacy containment and deterrence if you do take the janie's position one could say they're on. nobel peace prize winner coming under repeated attack for seemingly defacto advocating the it's been called genocide against the range of muslims of myanmar burma as a young member of parliament i went illegally into the corrent state of the wrong two occasions and i wrote reports about it at the time and i detailed what i called a genocide that was being committed against the korean people i was able to go back there last year and although burma is not perfect nevertheless that war with the qur'an the people want to. biggest minorities inside
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a very multi-ethnic country about hundred different minorities that war is over and in terms of the trajectory. of the cheers achieved over these last two or three years has been remarkable at one level bearing in mind that this was a military dictatorship and where people like her were in prison for nearly two decades i campaigned for throughout the whole of that period she has not been able to work miracles she said to me you know i'm not mother theresa he said there is a limit to what i can achieve so far but i raise specifically with what i've seen only the day before in the village where muslims and buddhists have lived peacefully for many many years the dresser has been burnt out people's homes have been burnt out the muslim community has been pushed out and i met the leaders who described to me the events in the reclined state she is still in many ways held hostage by the military in the military or energy interests and more of a gas pipeline i think sometimes people see things always through the prism of economic interests she believes passionately in the rule of law and the development
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of constitution and i'm sure that's why i've been arguing i raised again in parliament that the british should do all we can to ensure that there is citizenship rights for those working girls who are legitimately and many have been to several generations living in my now just really on a home issue here arguably one of the most famous lords in the house of lords because of your views on abortion your anti pro-choice position this this conservative backbencher is being called a contender for the tory leadership contest which hasn't quite happened i know we don't shouldn't be talking just about personalities what do you think of the fact that as soon as mr rhys morgan makes his views known the entire commentary. mainstream media say this invalidates any possibility of a career in politics well i've been there because i was liberal chief whip in my days in the house of commons and because i promoted a bill to reduce the op a time limit on abortions from what was then twenty eight weeks gestation. former
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party decided to introduce a policy saying that it would be party policy to support abortion what had always been a conscience question ironically on the very same day they passed a resolution on animal welfare that included protection for goldfish being sold in amusement arcade and pompous and i said intellectually and emotionally i no longer can find this compatible so i left my party on this issue it coercive liberalism it's a big mistake for people in the central left to try and impose things like this on people who hold a different and contribute but the perfectly good reasons the first of all rights in the universal declaration of human rights is to what is the right to life now of a life begins at conception or it doesn't if you don't believe scientifically it begins at conception tell me when you think it begins and if you can convince me of that then i'd be happy to support that position but while i believe that science tells me that life begins at conception then i would argue this is the paramount human right and all other rights derive from it because if you don't have the right to life the others are worthless little pleasure. there was a time when the name macdonald was invoked in parliament to disparage british labor
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party leaders for their embrace of imperialism capitalism and betrayal ramsay macdonald not nowadays though at the first pm q since british m.p.'s got back from their summer holidays gerry coleman's reference to macdonald concerned a fast food chain the reputedly serves one percent of the entire world's population every day this week workers at mcdonald's restaurants took strike action for the first time in this country the boss of. the brook is reported to have earned eleven point eight million pounds last year. staff are paid as little as four pounds seventy five. does the prime minister back the mcdonald's workers case for zero hours contracts mcdonald's is queues in moscow forming under the gaze of a statue of the poet pushkin became a symbol of the defeated soviet communism was not an issue to raise i'm a wanted to get involved in the issues that take place in mcdonald's is a man. for mcdonald's to deal with tourism a didn't want to talk about you about
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zero hour contracts whereby bosses by pass minimum wage legislation she wanted to talk about tony blair was thirteen years the labor party was in government and state. sponsored may appears not to realize corbin had nothing to do with the labor government over those thirteen years as to coleman's charges of dishonesty made targeted the dishonesty she sees in corbin the actual gentleman talks about manifestos and people going back on their word i might remind him that in the labor party manifesto there was a commitment to support trying to end our nuclear independent do you think it's very. shortly sure shortly after the election in private he told people he didn't agree with that in the years the right sort of a for years the right on the budget science on the labor party benches and didn't support labor policy now he's labor leader and he still doesn't support labor in
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that the uselessness of nuclear deterrence in korea doesn't bother to raise a mayor who says she would have no hesitation in pressing a button to kill hundreds of millions of people corbin who leads the largest socialist party in western europe of course leads a party in westminster that is largely neo liberal and against his principles without any answers called the last how tory austerity squares with a razor may only being pm because of a bunk to hear the two northern irish paramilitary wing party the prime minister had no problems finding a billion pound suppose they do you mean well mysteriously minutes later teresa mayes position on allegations of u.k. armed forces atrocities in ireland matched those of the democratic unionist party she is alleged to have bribed to be prime minister ninety percent of deaths in the troubles were caused by terrorists and not by the armed forces but of course as he would understand it he would appreciate. the investigations by p.s.
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and i are of cools a bunch of them as they are independent of go off of the break is time running out for peace in northern ireland we speak to the u.p.a. engine frame about teresa mayes billion pound bone to be prime minister over the simple going to have going on to grow. but now china has taken the bold step here in the twenty first century even after they've built our economy on the backs of all american jobs all the american jobs all to china and the trade of the middle class out of church members like hundred years ago fifty years ago thirty years ago before the world trade organization they were accepted into the average you know chinese person was surviving on dirt like they were nation eighty but now they're all for ken middle class pinpoint mining zillionaires.
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going to let you know will not be. one means i love just like. them tokyo find it to. keep going. it is what it was because did it because it didn't seem quite a cultural thing i wanted granny's. welcome back to me is ruled out the prospect of a u.k. and irish joint authority in northern ireland the deadlock installment continues to affect the lives of its constituents just like the one billion pound agreement to keep it in seven. body and power reports confirm that homeless claims in the region
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of increased maybe by forty percent of the children in northern ireland are among the least healthy in western europe meanwhile the engine failure being arguably busy blaming each other and stalling on issues of power sharing joining me now is the shouters works person on the treasury bricks it and work in pensions that we will see an m.p. from east to ensure that we will go back to going underground so direct rule return to terrorism well i don't think that both sides there really think a direct roomies of return to terrorism but what we do need in northern ireland is some government we haven't had any government knife for six months it's fairly clear that she and fi and have no intention of coming back into the executive and unfortunately court of the way in which our system operates if they don't come in then nobody can go in and you can't leave a country on governed for a long time and it would seem that the only alternative then is to have direct rule it is not our choice and i still believe that local politicians who are making
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local to satans and should be held legally responsible by people the irony will be of course a chin feeling which is the republican party which wants to separate northern arm from the rest of the united kingdom will not be leading to a situation where on a kind of bull ministers from westminster all making decisions where people in northern as a contradiction and their stance but then so contradictory in many other things i mean one of the things which they're demanding to get back into government is that policemen and army men be prosecuted for things which happened thirty years ago in the same week of course gerry adams is saying under no circumstances must the murderer the murderers of a farmer in his own constituency be brought to justice because it would be unfair that we return and that would disturb the priest or the peace process jury considers a freedom fighter but hasn't seen fame go to result already it's got you saying on a government is his request was issued don't be running the north of us there should be a united they've got to. you will know their way or that's not
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a result i mean as far as we're concerned we we want northern arc to be governed by the people who were elected to govern northern ireland i.e. the assembly members but if that doesn't happen then the only alternative is to have direct rule and of course for unionist perspective that draws northern ireland closer within the united kingdom that is a good result for unionists it's a bad result for republicans. and one well i don't believe that it necessarily will do that because i think that even within the republican community it would be quite clear who is responsible for that situation on the chin fee and by their intransigents by refusing to negotiate with parties to try and set up another executive in northern ireland so before we get to why in favor of doing this you completely rule which in vain say the reason is your bizarre environmental legislation which lead to farmers heating heating sheds bush heads and getting paid
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for it by you know that we all thing is it never mentioned that this least as mine that was the reason for bringing the family dine and of course they don't mention it because they they themselves were involved in the sation to introduce thoughts came their own ministers administered that skiing and encouraged people to take it up so they want that really put in the background say on it comes egypt was led by the do you know by well carrying out a lot of words another horse that's been exposed is wrong because of the statements made by the executive which they were members of the scheme was administered and was promoted by sion feehan ministers so they've moved on from the we're told on yes we can get an obvious language act unless already in foster stands aside as first minister on this we can get a legacy system which only looks at what the police and the army did but doesn't have any investigation into what terrorists did then they're not prepared to have storm it up and running your party and should fail to be running. this area for
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quite a while and yet northern irish should have the worst health in western europe what exactly have you guys been doing so that northern ireland a quarter of the children are in poverty and homelessness is just in the early part of twenty seven has risen forty percent well it's a bit ironic that despite the figures which you have given shin feehan would still prefer to spend hundreds of millions of pines on promoting the irish language i do thought it much better to feed children get the medication and have a proper health service and of course we have secured one point five billion pints from the government because of the support we get in westminster that isn't being spent because we don't have an executive up and running and some of that money one hundred million part of that money was designed to rectally to deal with those people who live in deprived areas who need to suffer social disadvantage and who require some support from the state yet we can't do any of that because the unwanted sitting i say many of us will say i would have to agree if you're going to get that regard as on what you did secure to get to raise or keep tourism is prime minister but just very very briefly the context of all this amidst breck's it
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negotiations in the talk of a hard border is going to end up saying a bomb in a london train station is a price we're paying for bricks it because of this overriding context of a lack of political authority and you know and again actually we have been a strong position and we have used our position here in westminster to try to ensure that the concerns of northern ireland by the border and the movement of people across the border are reflected in the government's negotiating position and indeed if one looks at the the paper which the government put forward during the recess about the situation in northern ireland it really light the hard border in fact to put forward lots of propositions as to hide the hard border could be avoided and that was not a result by the way of any input from sheffield because they have to give it all the responsibility and that that was a direct result of the interventions by ourselves but you know again it's a ironic the people who are complaining most about bread. they are the ones who
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have removed themselves from any ability to have an input into government to say that we will fund thank you well we just heard from the unionist side there but what about those who oppose british rule to get the republican perspective i'm joined by shin fein m.p. for west to roane barry mccall duff thanks barry down in london you've got a top secret file with you different now that we have a prime minister here in westminster only in power because of your your well stormont point was that the u.p.a. that was wee bit of mischief on my part just to bring me top secret failed but we'll leave it set in there for now if you don't mind but i suppose on the serious issue of the coalition between the tories and the d u p you know i wouldn't be boasting about it too much because i think one of their first actions was to deny a pay increase to emergency service workers and public sector workers so that was a great dared for either britain or arrogant in the sense counties as well well yes
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you know them to be seriously against what the g.o.p. have done as regards northern ireland getting one billion pounds as alleged bribe. to keep tourism a prime minister you go if you win that elections you go one of billion in extra budget well we did win the assembly elections. we did extremely well we've got a very big mandate that can't be ignored but what i would say is that in the last ten years the tories have taken one billion patterns of the the budget of storm and one of the difficulties in our society is that the government departments don't have enough money to deliver public services and that's sent as a direct result of tory austerity policies but now you've been propped up by the u.p.a. they have bought and unconditionally to support the tories and they've given them a blank check to carry. sterrett day and my own community house cuts to the tune of
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twelve point five million pounds even the brightness is gone so far as to say that it has gone far enough but since the shin fein live given up the the struggle as it were i mean you can't just blame the crash for statistics that show that the worst child poverty they have is in western europe is in northern a that homelessness in twenty seven you know forty percent well tory was thirty or your poor administration as you know should feel as a political party and some of your preliminary points in the question just made and apply and terms who fought an armed struggle or whatever but and respect of way we don't have political institutions operational at this time there are a number of reasons one of them is the links between the d u p allegations of corruption and government that's one of the reasons another reason is there for refusal to implement things that have already been agreed for example legislation
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to promote and protect the irish language now going to the irish language budget in the second is what direction does it remind us about the corruption of the oil and the renewable heat and scent of program was presented over by the u.p.a. summary wilton's of the scheme was administered and promoted by shooting frame ministers and indeed the scheme when it was going to be closed in frame members asked for it to be kept local not the case not the case and that was minister martino my lawyer who facilitated an independent investigation and two there are hitch a scoundrel allegations of corruption which are against the u.p.a. we will be party to an executive. a reconvened assembly if there is respect if there is integrity and if there is no head or smell of corruption and an executive blues i think they say your you went along with the corruption in the irish language budgeting you think it's finds us. the budget on
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irish language teaching over and beyond what is being spent. on homelessness well not at all i mean it's silly it's pure able to make money to promote language rates and homelessness to do that in the same sentence it is not an acceptable thing to everybody wants from plain services for homeless there has to be hospitals and education at the heart of our priorities i have a d.p. one hundred million given to deprived areas of the six counties some people are alleging that basically your own southern island and basically you want to wins other you know to be associated with a sturdy cuts of the north well that's what all this is written feel and it's not about the corruption is not even about the legacy issues of atrocities committed by the british. wants to be and government north and south as quickly as possible not to be part of the system but to have fact meaningful change if you want to know what's going on i genuinely would refer you back to the letter of resignation from
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the lip martin mcguinness and martin mcguinness said that he for ten years was leading in the assembly reaching out to unionists. friendship trying to develop a culture of equality and respect the u.p.a. through that back and has faced and in our faces they were supported not matter by two governments which were quite negligent and standoffish the british government and they risk government and dublin but basically as a legacy of wanting to get as and as the republican cause as it all is irish marches in the struggle for westminster to run northern. is defacto you know there may be a raise i'm a from was running the north of not at all there really is we are pushing for an irish unity referendum we have a major legacy issues which is very briefly the brazilian favors brazilian got two and it's called the two for it was on this program recently talking about the sandinistas in the garage who he supported during the diving. eighty's and without
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prompting a mention in the same sentence in frame saying basically sold out the poor. the vulnerable of the north and as part of this tony blair organized good friday agreement well i would say the poor and the vulnerable are voting for but and respect of crucial legacy issues i meet with the police. quite often here to me that the british government and starve in his office of the resources the coroner's office the british government somebody said to me recently well probably irish and dependents before they concede the truth about the details of their dirty worn. off thank you for the show. about your nine eleven. call about the falsified build up in asia was in the middle east would have killed wounded or displaced millions around the world till then keep in touch by social media with you on monday september eleventh the anniversary of the cia backed coup against the
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democratically elected government of chile which would inspire revolutionaries around the world to forever fight against washington sponsorship of terror torture and dictatorship. for a single purpose. of. training very young. eight months of intensive school. reps. and they saved lives.
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as long as you run support still the intel international community you say to run this is not acceptable you should stop firing on this ng still spoke to baseless ballots hamas saw those cities will be doing all the place but this is something that i believe israel should see to good or withdraw of course we do and i did states the states and to say ok it's not just you know a small easily problem. here's what people have been saying about rejected a night with us in the long awesome the only show i go out of my way to launch you know what it is that really packs a punch oh yeah mr john oliver of our three americas do the same we are apparently
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