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on the welcome to the world apart after years of being unable to strike a peace deal with the palestinians israel now wants to have a say in the resolution of another conflict this time in syria its objective is clear to minimize the regional influence of iran but is it a little bit too late in the game well to discuss that i'm now joined by believe me a prominent israeli politician and former foreign minister of israel ms levy it's great to see you thank you very much for talking to us thank you now you are currently in the opposition to use reilley prime minister benjamin netanyahu by this far as i understand when it comes to the issue of iran most israeli politicians agreed that it represents a major deadly threat to israel that has to be curtailed through all possible means
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at my right in formulating your position yes not only for recently police station so we believe that iran the supposed to use word but not only to you but to be into . and therefore we need to be dealt with the international community as such. i see him prime minister netanyahu who recently visited russia communicated something along those same lines to russian president vladimir putin do you by any chance know what how the russians have responded to those concerns raised by the prime minister i hope i would understand that these were. the two sort of. the concerns of other states in the reason they're not only listen iran is both of the problem iran would not accept the right of peaceful to exist. below which is a total waste and the social in lebanon and iran support still in the region and final stowing to reach them. we all understand that there's
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a need to give an answer of course and to confront. their doing in the region but we also need to conform to minimize and to do use the poem if you run and we're looking at the day after i mean we all are familiar of the situation in syria. and the question is what the day after would look like if we would see iran and then iran influencing the iraq and iran influencing syria and iran the influence in lebanon with. this would be a huge problem and we believe as i said before that this is something that needs to be done by the international community well it's interesting you say that because the view in moscow and let me know if you disagree with that is that the iranian influence is indeed growing there is no dear dispute about that but most believe that partially it is growing because of israel's own policies or the policies of israel's closest allies it all started to be with the invasion of iraq which
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allowed iran to gain a foothold there was a campaign in the israeli compay and in lebanon the beach consecutively allowed to hizbollah gaining more influence and dot country down was syria and now there is yemen don't you think that at least in part the iranian influence that you are so concerned about is growing because all of the opportunities that were handed to it by israel or israel's allies no way i mean to accuse east for iran being a state that would not accept the right to fish oil to exist that supports still the way they're acting in yemen or how this is connected to issue it and listen it is most important to discuss the situation now and both need to be done and that's i said before let's take an example it's a totally slogans designate that there was still gun zation we don't fund we're talking about living on the states what kind of state. being in france and in
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a way the proxy off another state in the region and though full i would not take and the assumption boat is was influence over sponsibility for we haven't but i think it is small important now anyway to do with the situation so i would not say that this is an easy situation now and i would say that these complicated but this is the oil spill's ability of the international community including russia to give an answer to these and when we look at the region the two different way camps one is the camp of these extremists. those that are supporting terror and for meat is less important whether it is she up though also not the silver though it's clear. both of them should be not acceptable well as you mentioned about you mentioned that we need to deal with the station as it is on the ground and russia's ambassador to the united nations of
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a silly bandz it just recently said that in moscow's view iran is playing quote unquote a very constructive role in syria so obviously there is some appreciation of what iran is doing on the ground given that the russia appreciates iran's role there do you think there is still a room for moscow to accommodate israel's concerns and to what extent do you believe israel's concerns have have to be accommodated i think that both states both countries should put on the table the mutual interest and it's not only accommodate eastwards interest. let's speak of all the day let's think about what is the best. what is best for all of us in the day after hopefully the situation in syria would. change we won't iran is a state that supports still as a superpower will and region and as i said before this is almost not only the concern of fees but. into the past when we need to the solution seventeen against
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russia will spot a feat in an understanding that this is a deal with the gun he's asian so even though i know iran these being. those that are fighting others in syria and in the region let's speak. to let's speak now about the situation the day after and let's try to minimize the influence in the future because it's going to be problematic not only for israel i can assure you absolutely and i think there is there is also a keen understanding that in a medium term iran also represents a political and economic competitor for russia in the region but again there is also a realisation that to be a rabbit out iran that you cannot stabilize syria or perhaps the region more generally if you had the away if israel had its way. what exactly would you do i
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mean is there anything short of wiping iran of the map that would completely. allay iranian israelis concerns what could give you that peace of mind. you know it's a tough region to speak about peace of mind in the return is something which is more than optimism but i will speak about minimizing damages or meeting the challenges so. as i said before let's look at the region form in the kind of satellite perspective and iran in the past the wall dealt with iran on their nuclear program and they reached an agreement now firstly we need to see that this agreement is being implemented as he should secondly as long as he runs support still the entire international community should say to run this is not acceptable you should stop firing on this into perspective violates hamas thought this is one . doing the place but this is something that i believe is. to
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good. with russia of course with the united states with other states and to say ok it's not just you know a small these really problem let's look at the region you know into plus they think that they're all those thinking the book i'm seeing the return of the pope himself but i think that the reset button on the standing now in the will the thoughts opening here can influence and effect the votes of the well let me ask you specifically about syria because you keep talking about iran supposedly supporting terrorist organizations because they're all of the syrian conflict israel proclaimed its neutrality but i think it's not a secret internationally that your diplomatic ties with geopolitical sponsors of the so-called syrian opposition. were becoming increasingly more accommodating and by and by that i mean first and foremost saudi arabia we also we all know supports
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terrorist organizations wouldn't be for wouldn't it be fair to say that in syria israel found itself on the losing side and now you are trying to get your way through diplomatic means speech is fair but. that doesn't mean that you should get all that you are asking for. no not at all i will not accept it this well since they won the side the notes to involved in the situation in syria we are just trying to help those wounded people that are trying to come of them were wounded fighters and wounded jihadists we are helping those that need and the coming to israeli border and give them and hope them in these very host but this is this is human the italian stuff but these oil is not involved in the situation in syria and rightly so but we do hope that the end game or what would happen the in the end would not affect the security and those no position these are longest and though
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full since i believe in international diplomacy i believe that this is something that the. legitimate from these for the site concerns of the table and to have a better understanding that all concerns should be and are i believe the concerns of those in the region that when you mention other and others in the region i know that you are very passionate about democracy and its values but i don't think you would contend that gulf states as well as cherokee were so keen on overthrowing the assad regime because of dire appreciation for. democracy i think it was pretty clear and tell me if you disagree with that that from the very beginning the support for the syrian opposition was driven primarily by the animosity against iran and dot objective wasn't achieved throughout this conflict is that not a fair portrayal i would like to refer to the positions of other states in the reasons and the reason for them to to make this position on the other as i said
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before is not involved in the situation in syria and i believe in general that when it comes to will and those extremists in the region let's not take one till we still go in the session as the answer to the other two. we're still going to search and that's all and that's good i hope we can confront total from coming from all sides unfortunately well it's since you mention terror most recent terrorist attacks in europe including russia were conducted by sunni terrorists the so-called islamic state is a south sunni supremacists who executed shias kurds easy as i'm sure they would have no problem whatsoever targeting jews in practical terms if you take. iran out of the equation who can take on dodgy heidi force because i don't think it would be a fully fair to refer iran the state of iran as a terrorist organization that's a political interpretation of israel but if you take the iranian israel out of the
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equation altogether who will be there to confront the jihadi force all of us need to confront the old littlest organization as i said before before me whether it comes home soon ideology or she ideology it is less important. for all of us the international community should conform those and we have states the poor to always still go on these asian like iran and. toes solving social issues themselves and we need to act against them and they believe that we need to act against them forcefully and this is something that the international community should do and those will do you would not find me supporting the. you know living with the situation. she's doing against against all of us because they would not compromise on the i would systems but how then would you explain explain the ease
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rails position of neutrality in the syrian conflict if you're so willing to confront terrorist organizations why didn't israel jump on board to joint russia in syria and how to exterminate the jihadi force there than that the iranian influence perhaps would have been somewhat curtailed. i hope that you would not suggest the. soldiers to fight in syria as it would not have been hopefully and i hope that this is not just but how then i mean i don't want to be argumentative but how then because there is a practical need for somebody to be there in syria russia doesn't want to send its troops there israel doesn't want to send its troops there the united states doesn't want to do that that leaves the only option and the only option is iran israel israel is a completely different situation because unfortunately those that abusing the flow think the fact that the partly public opinion in the arab world is against israel
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and this well is being seen as the enemy that takes one of the position that can be exploited the bow by the enemies to say that it's not about syria but this is the entirely israeli. jews jewish muslim conflict this is something the total of the situation and this is the sponsibility but they believe that all the easy enough power in the world and the ability of the international community to conform to go with will live on whatever is the kind of though as i said before with. no shia and since your. silly deal we're still going to say certain unfortunately on the palestinian side hamas the prison the religious side of the conflict. they represent also in the way. i deal oh gee that would never accept our right to live in peace in the region using and this
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is something also that need to be by the international community and of course is. acting against it when when we should well let's let me let's discuss your ideas on the resolution of these really palestinian conflict in just a few moments we have to take a very short break that we will be back very soon stay tuned. our. local wal-mart is selling you on the idea that dropping bombs brings police to the
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welcome back to worlds apart because he believed me a prominent israeli politician on former foreign minister of israel let me you've already alluded to the israeli palestinian conflict and i know you've been a loyal proponent of the two state solution you claimed that's what the majority of the israeli public wants if that's the case why do people keep voting missed. and he's party into power. good question yes according to the polls not only my. thoughts the recent majority in these are supporting the idea of two states for two peoples and peace but to do this no one believed the reason on the other side that there is no hope for peace unfortunately both of my responsibility here as a leader is to try and convince these not to give up and they might say. i was
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a little bit too mystic until a few months ago when i thought. may be. really make the deal which is essential for the future of the state to feel good hope that he will do so but. looks to me to mystic these days well before i ask you about why you are less optimistic let me ask you one more question about the two state solution because. as i understand your argument you believe that she states is the only option if israel wants to remain democratic but it is my perception that in many advised them all christians democratic practices democratic institutions even democratic notions democratic ideas i being put to the task of what used to be considered marginal or even extremist ideas are now gaining prominence and becoming more and more mainstream do you think the notion of democracy as you understand it will stand the test of both time and the test of regional turbulence because regional her bones obviously propels many of those
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extremist and radical ideas to the center and i agreed to to see all over the wall . we see few taking place instead of hope and this is something the need to address but you spoke just about democracy i would like to speak about the state of israel as a jewish democratic state and this is a middle of it's not just a matter of a system. to keep the values of fees for this. the meaning is to divide this tiny place into two different states one the gifts to the nation on the spiritual of the jewish people and the other is an honest to the months of the national movement of the palestinians and the full going back to the beginning of all discussion i believe that i think against these extremists those the three percent unsolvable the latest conflict by till all this is something that need to be handled by all of us but i suppose. getting most strength to them all
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the small the rates in the region i mean nobody's perfect and i would not suggest that the way the model sees you know great. every state these are the most closely in the region but. also as jews and as of the more context is equal rights and though for we need to settle it for the palestinians we have. equal right citizens but we need to embrace the idea of two states for two peoples each state gives an uncertain nation on the spirit of different people the palestinian state will be demilitarized the palestinians all of the agreed to this and this is spoke of israel's security of the months and also the interest of the road i mean nobody wants in the states in the region or failed states in the region now going back to your negotiations with the palestinians i heard both you and faith the chief
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palestinian negotiator express guarded optimism concerning the trumpet ministrations willingness to restart the talks that was about three months ago i gather you are not as optimistic as you are right unfortunately because you know when we had this. meeting the first meeting between trump and the trump and i will maz and then him his. visits to the region crumple speaking about the big deal and the recently one deal that i believe convert can this and can give an answer to both of. this thing ends and this is the two states for two peoples as a solution i know that this is something that is being supported by. the entire international community so there was a possibility here to have everybody supporting something the three percent interest of is sort of the palestinians and the international community what they believe need to be done is to quote both sides for negotiations with the
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support of the. international community but not just negotiations for the sake of negotiations but negotiations on the basis of i mean the idea is to end the conflict on the basis of those states for two peoples demilitarized stein. and this can be the basis just to start flowing the two we will know well are we going to not just you know moving them around without any sense of well i think the palestinians would totally agree with you on that i've interviewed a number of hiring people as being officials and this is precisely what we want and they're feeling that they are not getting it from these really side but if i may ask you one more question about the trumpet ministration because it also expressed its intention to contribute to the resolution of the korean conflict so much so that i've now are heard the number of experts suggesting that the stalemate that existed you know between the two countries for several decades wasn't that bad after all especially when you consider the increased possibility of another
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conflict on the korean peninsula is that in concert and in your part of the world that the american mediation at this point of time may make things worse not better well we hope the movie all the hope to north korea would not. know. the wall to accept a situation. but i want to say something which is very important since we discussed the sort of palestinian conflict and we discuss discussed also the extremism in the region i'm not talking now about north korea but then all of those saying that these sort of police stand conflicts is the reason for extremism in the region and this is something that they would not accept you know that i truly want to solve this conflict i believe that in these early end of this thing in their interest. as well as the international community but this swimming that we would solve this conflict would not change
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a ideology in either case but on the hamas and though full need to be on the stool that we need to solve this conflict and to act against extremism and till in the region as well say you know you want to compartmentalize to have did this conflict for everything else that's going on in the region even though as you well know everything is highly interconnected and the one conflict influences in not a conflict in many ways i want to seize on something that you said just now and i heard you make that observation before that the successful resolution of these really palestinian conflict with break the so-called glass ceiling in israel's relations with other arab states i presume you mean mostly gulf states how strong of a motivator could that be for prime minister netanyahu in your view. this is something i mean the arab peace initiative and the arab league this season said that when these were reached between the palestinians and we would achieve peace in the region and normalized relations with these violent the full it's not only my
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opinion this is something which is on the table they all that they said that these negotiable but need to be in the go shared between israel and the palestinians not between israel and the of a world. full i believe that their role. is very important for israel and for the palestinians for lease for lease this is really important because you know the average israeli would say ok well for can we get from the police to. the peace treaty taking some leask we have still coming from the palestinian side we are giving up too early too early. also taking some secure with phyllis so the answer is that this can change the theatrics situation of fees when in the region and it's not just about giving something to the palestinians but also getting something from d.r. ups this is one thing from these sort of perspective. but full from his i don't know political reason so either we don't see
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a real move toward these well it's interesting that. you make this argument because israel has long blocked out the palestinians going to the united nations and trying to internationalize the issue but this sensually you're advocating the exact same thing only with sunni arabs because you can gain your own benefits there i mean how is that different from the palestinians trying to involve the europeans in the international community to how them resolve their issues with you i believe in by a lot on the go but i believe that these by a lot of on the should be supported by the international community not to replace the decisions that is being made by both sides by you will pm no other decisions that the focus on not involved in all make their own will the palestinians still doing they're trying to get the support of a palestinian state sixty seven lines the rules the limits go up at the this is old these are all issues that need to be in the go shit if this is one why do they have
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to be negotiated again it hasn't that been the ready negotiated and seal it was negotiated we breach some gaps but not enough in two thousand and fourteen president obama. wanted to put the flame up for negotiations on the we. even left on the zero except that they had with the savation but they didn't give the bus. they didn't give an answer unfortunately. it's not too late to put something on the. boat to make a decision i'm not suggesting to force the final startle sigrid with the such but it's the something on the table and say to both sides you all invited to negotiate on the basis of these yes or no and make both sides make their own decision and this is something which is very important we don't and they look for installed a sensitive issue is the thought on the table but to the basic ok well let me we
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have to leave it there unfortunately the time is up i really really appreciate your time here with us and to our viewers please share your comments on twitter facebook and you tube pages and i hope to see you again same place same time here on the world's apart.
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end its print edition although the voice will continue to exist in digital form rather than disappearing as most alternative weekly is around the country have done from the boston phoenix to the philadelphia city paper it is already a shadow of its former self and long ago lost its iconic reporters and columnists norman mailer of the great investigative reporters wayne barrett and tom robbins and toff a columnist michael musto sydney schanberg and the cartoonist in playwright jules feiffer the paper was fearless and gloriously irreverent its demise long in the making turns off the lights on a whole parts of new york city as is now true in most cities and impoverishes great journalism at a time when we needed most r t correspondent on your power bill looks at the decline of the newspaper industry. one of the last time a you read a physical newspaper if you like many americans you could count on your consumption over the past several years ago.

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