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hello and welcome the cross all things are considered peter lavelle what is the real function of media in the west today to inform citizens or parrot the interests and policies of the political elites it would seem corporate media can't get enough of war. crosstalk in the medium joined by my guest here in moscow house christopher he is the director and writer for the duran dot com we also have victor although he is a political analyst as well as a leading expert at the center for actual politics and we have dimitri bobbitt she's a political analyst we spoke nick international might as always cross-talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want they always appreciated first story i'd like to talk about the military exercises russia. will be conducting in about a week's time it's called. part of which means west two thousand and seventeen and the western media is all up in a tizzy about it why do well it's not the first time it's really extraordinary let
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me just remind you that in two thousand and fourteen when the events around ukraine happened mrs merkel said would you there's not going to stop here we're going to talk about muldaur we're going to talk a bold georgia and ask serbia what kind of come next ask serbia and all the balkan nations and the quote so nothing happened to moldova nothing happened to georgia since then everyone forgot of course what mrs merkel said no one. wards but now we have a new threat you know and immediately of the german defense minister will fool of on that land says that there are violent hundred thousand birds but in reality there how many less than three thousand you know this is where you are the seven hundred there's really the minds of the early ages there was a book by robert conquest that's reassuring historian who did the real caricature up. wrote
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a book about how americans and the europeans should behave in case the serious actually in the lead to occupy their country is now we're talking about the times of mutually assured destruction there would be no you know it would be impossible literally but still the point was to scare to scare people care to scare people and this is exactly what is happening again to the point of these stories all across the european media all across american media used to scare people into believing in the russian media is the greatest conduit for exactly what is really interesting is that if you read these warmongering scaremongering articles no one ever reflects upon that these are military exercises within russia and be a ruse with beer russa's permission and it is this is happened every few years there are outside monitors international observers here i mean there is no i don't see what this headlines are all about except would be interesting just to scare of
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course russia is not allowed to have military exercises with the border sentry that's not allowed but it's a great it's a question of course and of course from what products are standing there counting the hundred thousand number they've been counting troops who are at the bases monitoring the exercises i would think basically all the troops in the area and they're saying there's a hundred thousand of them i think the bigger story is how the mainstream media in the west simply cannot count seventeen intelligence agencies one hundred thousand troops i mean everything seems to be you know totally above board. that's a story it's always inflated and they're always projecting more than than what's really happening to scare people well sometimes nato can calm so i feel nato had eighty five military exercises during the last six months on the border you know with russia in the book that's not to mention not threatening right yes no and one hundred twenty thousand nato servicemen to be put into these exercise because as we all know the nato is. uniquely defensive alliance it never it. was the
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people in libya about that when i was in the biggest was lost and yugoslavia just. need to do is if you would a defensive alliance so they can do whatever they want including imitate in attacks you know the the so-called exercise in the baltics you know cold challenge i guess. fiendish and swedish planes took part in it and that lead to the legend of the exercise was all poetry you know a horse. so it is if you can read about this you know. the legend of these. maneuvers and russia for the first time in several months has its own exercise and that's aggressive you know they say that it's a preparation for an attack either against ukraine or against it well it shows all of this shows here that nato is necessary that's what this is all about here let's
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change gears a little bit guys as i was reading an article in a conservative news dot com by. robert perry how regime change war's lead to korea crisis suggest to our readers to have a look at this here. this there's no when you look at media coverage of north korea there is no back story at all and he almost never very rarely even mention the years of the korean war itself we have to point out to our viewers to during that conflict there the united states air force destroyed every virtually every single standing building in the country in the first year of the war in lasted three years the war isn't over there is an armistice here but if you take a look at the way the north koreans look at the world libya iraq. then all of a sudden their thinking is a lot more rational because he's crazy right know it's actually a very rational foreign policy you know the korean war is the forgotten war and that's what the mainstream media wants the public to understand that it is
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a forgotten war so they don't publicize it much it's very cartoonish all the sudden you know there's another dictator has just magically sprung up in another country far away for which the u.s. now has to take care of him so it's the same story just recycled over and over ok what else is recycled your dream is that you know the north koreans that they won't negotiate their irrational that they have proposed the freeze for freeze a double freeze you know ending the military american military exercise with the south koreans would they have what twenty four thousand troops there are stationed there you have you have a good part of the american navy around the arena and installed and you're asking them to stop their testing ok that's pretty fair russia's proposal china's proposed that would you would know that from reading the washington post the solution is simple the. american south american side simply doesn't talk to the north koreans there are no talks you know so when they see him going on who can talk would
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negotiate then maybe you can see if used to have a negotiation. and i would say that you know very strangely he may be you know the board is create a new security system of the world but i short ugly. because basically if you have like the wild west you know there are two ways to have security either have a good sheriff and then it makes sense to legalize weapons or if the sheriff is mad or an adequate then let everyone have to be buried so that's what i'm doing on this and let everyone have weapons and then the wars will stop in the same way shootin stopped in the american wild west when people had weapons so there are two points here coming going back to what. tom just became president there were. rumors in the state department indeed north korean delegation was about to get visas to come to the united states people from the north korean institute for
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american studies and their foreign ministry and have for negotiations normal serious negotiations but they are suddenly those visas were revoked they were not given and the administration decided to go the other way so that way this administration works is one story we upped the stakes and to see how he can push the north koreans into a more but at the negotiating position for himself but it doesn't work that we're going to seriously say my way to the highway was that you know she aiding and i want to that is one of the reasons that it doesn't work with the north koreans is because they are actually very pragmatic the are very rational in their foreign policy and that's exactly the reason why one of the reasons why i don't like libya iraq which actually thought that it would go along with all the conditions are there that nobody will do that that north korea fully and completely understands
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how to sort of additionally yes but the interesting thing here is that you know when you look at this coverage of the media loves this big they love the ballots they love you know you have you do the caricature of a crazy dictator and you know without any kind of context what's going on here a caricature of bud china's role in all this its primary interest is not to see a collapse of the north korean state that's a nightmare for janet last time i checked north korea is on china's border not on california's border and all the blame is being put on china for not settling the dispute with north korea so china's an interesting fall guy for all of this but if you go back to put some context to what victor said you look at you know trying trying to negotiate this and he can't negotiate because his cards are on the table in other words the u.s. history shows what happened in iraq was a disaster they got rid of their weapons and a disaster. libya the same thing a disaster we could even throw in syria let's not forget that the u.s. pushed chemical weapons to be destroyed in syria but russia came in and protected syria the oversaw the destruction the chemical weapons and we push came to shove
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russia came in and protected assad from another us mistake and now the us failed regime change so now that syria has been to north korea sitting there and saying ok you see the pattern here obviously it was going to how do we go to learning. you know with all of this years now exists after the international agencies after the u.n. security fight officially certified that syria no longer no longer possessed chemical weapons the united states kimi and again and that that the syrian air force be saying there were chemical weapons there and you know he wins a little bit of a pretext i think that if north korean propaganda probably would use the same argument as national rifle association in the united states if the sheriff is inadequate the sheriff attacks the city and soon all of the other people who gave up their weapons then let everyone have weapons and this is the logic. is for we know of course i feel russia and china do not support this war are we so they want
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to see you made it very clear here dissatisfied with the world if you really want a green regime that's another thing that's not reported well i think that the russian elite and the chain easily if they want to return to the ward with international war with a good share if with an adequate share of the problem which there is no way to question you know still unfortunately say and i was told diplomatically you know that we are absolutely against nuclear proliferation and that where i don't accept a nuclear status for north korea i think the wall should prepare for the what and there was is indeed a walled where small countries will have destructive weapons and you're going to just ok we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the media state of north.
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what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line. to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president i'm sure. some want to be rich. but you're going to be prosperous like them before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the walls of my house. for certain.
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kinds of financial survival john the money laundering first to visit this cash in the three different. is a good start well we have our three banks all set up for something in europe something in america something overseas in the cayman islands and it will pull these banks were complicit in their tough talk pursued a softer did much bolder to do some serious muhlenberg ok let's see how we did while we've got a nice luxury watch. for stacey old beautiful jewelry and how about. luxury automobile for max you know what money laundering is highly illegal. much keyser of course.
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here's what people have been saying about rejecting. the only show i go out of my way to. still really. believe yeah john oliver of marty america is doing the same we are apparently better than. the c. people you've never heard of. jack tonight. president of the world bank very. seriously send us an e-mail. welcome back to cross like we're all things considered i'm discussing the media. here we still want to have a comment on north korea that just going off of what the mitri said russia and china in the security council cooperate with the united states when it comes to resolutions on north korea what happens to them they get slapped with sanctions so
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it just goes to show that you can't trust the sheriff in town. the next security council meeting very strong. bad feelings because the latest phase will be pushing for inspection north korean ships. and that means. twenty five million people you know it just reminds me i was watching a nikki haley and she had a little squabble with the north korean regime and you know he was the only person i know that has a ph d. in hillbilly studies i mean you know this is just not the way to to run a foreign policy had to put that in there. let's switch gears a little bit to syria. you know half a year ago this was the headline everywhere. you know we're russian killing civilians you know the assad you know killing his own people. the to the war the war has tipped into the other direction i think is pretty obvious here but
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you wouldn't know that from mainstream media you wouldn't know that from cable t.v. would you what happened in syria last time i heard over a half a million six hundred thousand people returned to aleppo oh i thought they were supposed to fear mr assad then the whole media narrative has collapsed well integrated basically the message from the new york times is stop telling me peace is coming back just like their main message for mr trump during the talks with is stop telling me that they want honestly. i want thanks to you and you're going to be held to account for that and this is in the torah also the new york times you are absolutely right you wouldn't you wouldn't know that the situation is improving from the western media i have to learn the situation is improving problem the had all of their. positions negotiating so-called supreme council here lashed out that stuff on de mistura the you under presented to on syria for what staffan de mistura basically said to their position you have to admit that you didn't win this
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war with president period so immediately they said your opinions and russia's want this war for russia so the war is coming to and then they're on. you know the really never say the hope to win it for the syrian people this is just how bad coverage of that and some poll refugees are common to this stalin back to the dictatorship. instead of these nice islamists there's another angle to the story and there's remember in two thousand and eleven when the war was just starting with american and western support going to the factions in the syrian opposition to some terrorist groups they wanted to structure the story as another fight of the government forces against terrorists but the fight of sunni much surety pushes. soon you maturity right again. and i will why is she a minority supported by outside powers like you run is out of exactly and and to
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the south constantly well with russia supporting the government the entire sunni arab world is going to align against throughout and they're going to create russia and are going to be consequences of all kinds of proportions for that would be seat to d. with the war ending with the syrian government the kink that they can back to you from all kinds of terrorist organizations like isis like the. different. what is actually happening soon you qatar is actually a closely alliance more closely aligned with iran now you know and russia this used to be for in fact before it qatar did not have their interests there in tehran now they do with egypt with judea with jordan russia has either the same or better a better you know every single program i say could cross talk rules in effect but you know what the other phrase i think that i've used. the second most common
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phrase of use in this program is the law of unintended consequences it's called blowback and so now you see you know all these states are now fighting with each other so at first they had an enemy and in syria they had a common goal and all the syrian war is coming to an end they're fighting amongst each other and thank god the syrian war is coming to an end think out assad is going to stay in power because we're not going to have a black flag raised over damascus and this is why the mainstream media will never report but unfortunately there is a negative aspect of what you just said is that i first see. one more russian and much and this one we have a few more months for the administration to try to find some kind of rationale to overturn the nucular agreement the only thing in foreign policy that barack obama did that i agree with ok but they're looking to overturn that iran will be next and when israel did commit an air strike in syria from lebanon so they syria from
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lebanon the story the official story from israel change that first they were bombing a chemical weapons plant then they were bombing hezbollah so you can see the israeli press working with the mainstream media in the west to adjust their story away from chemical weapons which no one really wants to hear anymore more where we're protecting it gets hezbollah we're fighting has blood that's we're fighting in iraq well i would say that there is also the war on the reported in the western media in one for example russia and. the russian aviation destroyed their minister or the so-called islamic state who is none other than groom or old high level. former special forces officer trained into the who basically defected through to the isis in two thousand and fifteen in order to fight their globalists also the regime and who could replace downhaul but you rush really. to georgian
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descent who also fought against russians and who fall into the glorious ranks of the islamic state off towards fight and terrible. prediction here ok a few years when the syrian war the bloody syrian civil war will go you know it will be part of history and the people there will live in peace. the official american way of framing historically framing this war would be that it was the united states that defeated it was the united states that defeated it was the united states that conducted the peace negotiations and that maybe russia and maybe some other countries scoped out but not so much that's how it's not so there's not a western audiences think about the second world war exactly no and this is that you know think the normandy landing you know saving private ryan in the russians that a little bit on the other side of course was the americans that. you know it's already happening mr mongrel and the french president is already just saying call the
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political structure or syria should be formed after the war instead of apologizing for basically supporting and armed insurgency in a sovereign country he's now down in there now how they should organize well demon if you appear in a list habits die hard ok well really just like mrs merkel in the wake of the beginning of our program we have mrs merkel to defend in serbia from russia you know. ten years or twelve years off to drive a new board. of it sort of bit together with other western nations. it's media coverage of the they don't there's never been a war they don't like. what right is this is it just hits i mean it's eyeballs in any war is popular i mean because what i see in the mainstream is that it's just a p.r. arm of the neo cons you know they're crawling out of the swamp and they're making you know they're getting their fix to the levers of power again and the media are
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in lockstep with these this ideology that let's not forget that all the media in the us is controlled by six large corporations and all those corporations have ties with the military industrial complex so everyone that's that's reporting on what's happening in the world they know that it's good business to report on war and it's going to lead to a promotion are going to get into. you know we're going to be spin saying the news on fox are anonymous and b c you're going to have a chris hayes or rachel maddow or jake tapper they know that by reporting on war they're going to get a nice big promotion let's also face it all these people that for example promoted the war in iraq from bill kristol to they're not only are there they get they get editorials in op eds in the new york times they they're talking about syria now they're talking about north korea all these guys that you know they're in the never you know how do they never they guess got a little bit more gray hair you're absolutely right from two thousand three all of them it's the same people same people people look this is how it works and it's
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really very simple so josh rogan gets a call from a source in one of those seventy in syria says that they're so good to doing their job and allies and everything and he knows he can write a story where you stand that if he doesn't write it the right way. he's not going to get another call and maybe if he doesn't get another call then of his job at that publication of where he gets paid it will be jeopardized. if you will use it to jeopardize what i think is really interesting german kind of an echo but what you said here you can be wrong and there's no downside i mean it's not always a great if you know you can actually be the greatest job in the world if you don't ever have to be right you just have to parrot what you're told good but i mean the starter will of these people is getting more and more aggressive. the day i read and you tauriel in the new york times the of the morning it said the wide close and it's a lake is in certain federal agencies that's the beginning well that's probably all
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the people of the seventh still wide holes in the lake it's you know that's not going to have to this is going to be a little bit like the north korean is they should have been here because the problem is not just the influence or who treated those two of the problem is that these people think they have an ideal would you that gives them the right. do attack creature size destroy anyone including the white collars of the elected officials who you know and their language is becoming more and more aggressive simply because of impunity you can publish any fake q so i think it's also a sense of powerlessness as well i think there inverted here because something must be done this is that the system this is the whole legacy i really think must be timely to give you an example you know how the new york times and the washington post kept saying if gay athletes come to the russian olympic games they will be arrested you know they came in no one was arrested no one apologized and no one was
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reprimanded for basically reporting false information but you can be fired it if you write something good bold about would have been a poor or a bit of pain this was you know i'm sorry to go to concrete examples phil donahue who was once the number one talk show host in the u.s. was fired because he openly disagree with the iraq invasion that's case number one brian williams who was the n.b.c. anchor and lied. openly it was caught fort what is he doing now he's back at m s n b c anchoring the show on that point and we've run out of time for this segment of the program many thanks to my guests here in moscow and thanks to our viewers for watching us here or to see you next time and remember.
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i. am looking for a way back home the families of suspected. await their fate in a refugee camp in iraq is among the first news. the un has to these women's faces not to reveal the names and most importantly not to tell anyone where they're being held the u.n. security council. sanctions against north korea latest nuclear test while the united states. all trade with all countries that do business with pyongyang.


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