seems to be such a continuation there doesn't seem to matter who's the president of the united states it's the deep state the decides who our enemies are and how those they will be dealt with ok because i do i can't the contrast is so great that i've never seen it from a candidate to a president in my lifetime go ahead michael. what candidates get captured when they move from the campaign and from their own voice however authentic or inauthentic it is and then they get a subservient into the imperial worldview of the imperial city and the courtiers or the deep state if you want to call it that instead reshape their worldview and in many ways the over arching sensibility in washington today in terms of strategy is one of tremendous anxiety and insecurity now and so a grandstanding strategy a grandstanding strategy that looks like it's doing things that looks aggressive
like the war on isis it's all a wonderful kind of demonstration and display the u.s. is not going to risk a big war with either china or russia but it will grandstand hence the ten thousand or so barrett fifty caliber sniper rifles to ukraine yeah that is grandstanding the same with rocket man in north korea it's a way of the u.s. boasting forcefully but what i would bring home i think is the contrast between forceful boasting of trump and the very much more successful forceful boasting of teddy roosevelt and the difference is that teddy roosevelt was announcing america's debut on the world stage and america had forty percent of the world's manufacturing today it's absolutely the opposite terms of trends and direction ok let me go to christopher christie year in iraq war veteran i mean if i could just ask you personally i mean. it seems like we have the continuation of this mentality of
empire and i mean for iraq it's been a disaster for afghanistan it's always a disaster but and you know and what's happening in syria here it but we don't seem to learn any lessons here you were there do you see that what the problem is here. right i think there's a few different issues i want to try to address as many of them i can i think that we're all meeting several different things here we're overlooking several different things for one i think the president's actually moving away from nation building we're trying to get for example the iraqi security forces and the iraqi military's had significant gains against isis we've been trying to empower them to take the reins and to be able to do that kind of fighting themselves we've also admitted the fact that we've decimated the leadership of isis we've kept them in a constant state of confusion we've killed the some of bin laden there's several strategic victories that have occurred along the way we also for getting the u.s. military provide significant foreign aid to our allies we still provide a blanket of security across europe we're protecting south korea we've been in
a global leadership role for decades and those are the kinds it is worth focusing on there is no let me trying to immediately put a united states that may be trying to assist me to intervene here we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on washington's new defense strategy stay with our. we have a great see we need to strengthen before the free world cold and have been a legend to keep it so it's at the back. in one thousand nine hundred two that must qualify for the european championships at the very last moment no one believed in us but we won and i'm hoping to bring some of that waving spirit to the. reason the have
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ok let me go back to philip and percival right before we went to the red cross who is talking about our alliance as well you know alliances are a transmission belt for war we've seen this historically and i'm thinking of the situation that the united states is facing with its nato ally turkey and turkey is a legally invaded syria and where you know all of the entanglements that the u.s. has found itself there with the kurds and whatnot and it's nato ally here i mean and then we had not too long ago we had a russian jet that was shot down by the turks then you have you know you know you have this article five kick in here it seems to me the united states is very dangerously involved in a potential war that it doesn't want to fight and then we can bring up the issue of north and south korea you know what they're talking that's
a good start isn't it and then we have this bluster coming out of washington that maybe it's not enough i mean the south koreans probably know best about their defense than anyone else go ahead philip. yeah well i have i have to agree with the your premise which is essentially that america's alliances have in many ways outlived their usefulness the. russia does not threaten the united states there's not really threaten eastern europe it has a sphere of influence like every other country but this does not amount to a threat and nato is dangerous in a way because nato could very much involve the united states in a shooting war where it doesn't want to be in it. and i would i would comment on the situation between turkey and syria turkey is indeed attacking syria but turkey has an interest in syria the terrorism problem and the kurdish problem for turks is very real the united state is illegally in syria so the united states shouldn't be
throwing stones at at anyone when it comes to the situation currently in syria and this whole concept of a of a thirty thousand man border guard is just totally ridiculous the turks let it happen the syrians won't let it happen and then the iraqis won't even let it happen what do you need to know michael you mentioned ukraine earlier here i mean what explain because i don't understand it what is in the national interest of the united states of america to be giving offensive weapons to ukraine when we know and our viewers that have been watching crosstalk over the years know the importance of the minsk accord ok it's not perfect but it's certainly slowed things down cooled things down now we have legislation that is not reported in western media that the ukrainians have walked away from it unilaterally and now they're very happily taking offensive arms we have to be honest here the prospect of a ukrainian russian war is very real folks it's very real but you wouldn't know
that and you would know that by reading magazines report go ahead michael the u.s. . that its alliances both nato and its key alliances in in east asia in the western pacific are like lifelines to america's claim to germany so it is to american advantage to stir the pot in eastern europe and to create a situation where you know poor. helpless ukraine is being threatened with with deep violence by you know this is an old metaphor going back to world war one frankly in the germans in belgium and it's a way for the u.s. to maintain the saliency of its position in europe which it no longer has
economically and it in the instance of good relations with russia would would not exist in in the strategic sense but because european states especially germany are unwilling to. spend the money they need to on defense to do it themselves which they could easily easily then the u.s. . by creating yes i mean the germans could simply double their defense budget and it would be no larger percentage of their g.n.p. than it was during the cold war but the key here is that the u.s. is able to have it both ways it's able to assemble a kind of crisis in which the u.s. is the absolutely essential partner and its leadership is on question and frankly it can do that because of the general disinterest by germany in stepping up to taking over the leadership role in europe when it comes to strategic issues the
u.s. is doing the same thing in asia with japan and japan is willing to be there as the side. of the u.s. under all circumstances and therefore the us is playing the same game using the fruits of its absolute victory over germany and japan in world war two to continue what will increasingly be the fiction of us world power in the future not not tomorrow but but fifteen years from now look at chris around i'm michael brings up a very good point i mean if you look at the g.d.p. of the european union is vast ok.d. equals the united states and japan certainly isn't a poor country by any standard south korea is what for its size and population is remarkably successful and very rich by the way why can't they just carry their load for their own security just because what did what does the us get out of it i mean
if something happens in the us you think everyone's going to come to the us is aid from europe and south korea and japan i don't think so why would they go ahead. i think that's a great point i think president trump is challenge to nato and europe to put more financial resources into their own defense and i think that would be a thing that we should be supporting but i want to go back a step i think we're still continuing to emit many many different factors for example you know we sort of discuss the u.s. in this sort of dystopian light and the tone and this this vision people want to come to the united states people are risking their lives to try and they're dying trying to get out of places like north korea where their governments and their the way they behave is absolutely zero freedom no freedom of the press and extremely dystopian and in the case of iran you have an entire government that's stuck with clergy that's frankly extremely. quickly and i mean if you're a second you know but that has nothing to do with the defense of the united states you're talking about values and i suppose that's all fine but has nothing to do
about protecting the solver and country of the united states the state department should deal with these other issues here ok i mean i'm i'm serious i mean it sounds nice but it has nothing to do with defense here let me go to philip here you know philip i was doing a little bit of research before this program you know i was looking at you know republican senator robert taft when nato was started and he was for he was saying you know why should we get involved in this alliance because then we lose the right to declare war we're giving it over to an organization that you had mike mansfield and the in the one nine hundred seventy s. under the nixon ford administrations he was heavily lobbying for ending american presence in europe because the war has been over there rich they can take care of themselves the reason why i'm bringing up this boring history for everyone is that where is the debate in the public in the media about what is being said in madison this report there's almost none i mean i read a lot of the reviews it's just well he this is what he said but there's no there's
no distilling of what he's talking about it just passes it on is that these people are just in the media and don't question anything that is being written we are questioning it honestly on this program go ahead philip. yeah it's quite astonishing i mean the stories the stories on on this paper and on the comments by matt has disappeared within forty eight hours or hardly covered at all and yet this is as i said in the beginning this is a formula for off and this is a formula for the united states to exercise its leadership by military offensive and this is quite outrageous and also the question that way we haven't had one thing that happens against states that don't have them christiane you want to jump in there go ahead sorry christopher jump in there is where is worse where is philip worse russia north korea missile testing in north korea threatening. and making
these aggressive stances does russia support north korea's continued nuclear proliferation and launching i can't i can't i can answer that question very clearly christopher if you had watched the proceedings that the united nations security council when there was a vote against north korea in which china and russia did participate and did vote for the sanction they also offered in alternative a freeze for a freeze in a go back you can watch it it's on you tube it's very thoughtful it's very thorough but you had all of the other countries saying north korea bad ok well i'm sorry that's not very intellectual it's not very helpful ok so i would answer you chris but russia and china have been extremely helpful in trying to diffuse those tensions but it doesn't get any coverage in the media because that's not what people want to see or go ahead christopher. you know what should be covered i mean that's a fair point there should be more coverage but you look at these these oil transfers
that china is in a position to really do a lot more of i think there's a lot of opportunity and a lot of optimism is different get someone who does this to united states sit down with the north koreans and have a conversation what's so hard about doing that you could actually say we went the extra mile instead of this rocket man nonsense that's not helpful ok if the united states really wants to show it's responsible in the world was it sit down and talk seriously if it doesn't like the deal walk away from it but at least you talked go ahead i'm just i'm just saying the obvious that's a fair point that's a fair point but i think i think we have a pro what we have a president that wants to see some results and i think unfortunately a lot of our goodwill and a lot of our diplomacy has had diminishing returns when you look at for example the iran deal and other things we were able to get a little bit of cooperation but we have is continued nuclear proliferation continued talk of aggression and the u.s. is continuing to provide foreign aid to continue to fund our our allies in europe and these sorts of other things so i think those talks should happen and i believe
the u.s. is opening to talk to north korea but we need to see a sort of tone and center of cooperation and we're continuing to see boasting of continued nuclear proliferation in the region and remember that offensive purity strategy that's our document for us i there's nothing in there that is overtly offensive it is a document that is reaffirming our perspective well building up the military i mean christopher liberating relationship you're right christopher is written about the united states for the united states but the whole world is watching and and the reaction from a lot of capitals is this is a very aggressive in a continuation of an aggressive foreign policy the world does react to the most powerful country in the world are gentlemen i'm sorry we've run out of time many thanks to my guests in washington and in personal and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at the see you next time and remember.
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have your company our top story the turkish president has announced a plan to extend his country's military operation against kurdish forces in syria turkish forces are currently fighting the white. awhile now advance to. an area controlled by kurdish forces. the operation we've launched remember all of branch to cleanse africa of terrorists successfully underway starting from member we will continue for you in the games which are being played along our borders and we will cleanse our region completely of the struggle . for more on this idea of the conflict as a whole let's join our middle east correspondent paula slayer hi paula tell us more indeed about turkey's actions in syria and has there been international reaction to earth warms enlargement as well. well as you heard there the turkish
president everyone has announced that he is extending his ministries operation to the northern syrian town of mann bridge now this is east of aleppo and it does mean that the turkish army will be in direct confrontation with forces belonging to a turkish nato ally namely the united states the united states is known to have some two thousand special forces inside syria none are in the afrin area but they are deployed in kurdish held pockets and amongst those is the town of money bridge which is in the hands of u.s. backed kurdish fighters we're also hearing from the turkish president there more than two hundred and fifty syrian kurds has been killed by his army and allied forces now those figures are said to be exaggerated by the kurdish side we're also hearing from the turks that they are trying to avoid civilian casualties but again we're hearing from the kurdish side that they have been civilians who have been
killed in this operation that has been launched by the turks now things came to a head earlier in january when the united states announced that it was forming helping to create an established on the ground a thirty thousand strong border security army all force that was going to be made up predominantly of could the american president donald trump has urged turkey to. limit its military operation and refrain from what it's been doing inside northern syria but of course what we see happening here on a day by day basis is that the turkish military operation is simply expanding or slayer middle east correspondent thank you. well to discuss this further and the ramifications let's bring in professor of international relations are unclear is middle east technical university hussein by always welcome president urged. to same to advance his story in operation as we heard to mom how do you see this playing out right now. i think turkish decision to extend
the operational command which probably will last a little bit longer because president grant to president. donald trump the american side was insistent on it that turkey is not going to extend the operation and what is more important. causality is should not be the case this is somehow. a warning by the americans to the turkish president. turkey is discussing this telephone. call to president probably the. turkish government. undertake these concerns into account but first of all the operation in africa should be finished and should be completed otherwise it will take another decision to go to man beach i do not expect at the moment that
turkey is undertaking operation direction which well it's interesting you say about the telephone call between the two countries' leaders because previously be u.s. government has been very adamant in warning president erdogan against further escalation in syria and indeed any actions that could lead to confrontation with the u.s. do you think that president is taking that warning seriously. i think it's going to take this very seriously. because tonight's telephone conversation is not very friendly the atmosphere is not so friendly both sides put their positions once again and it depends how the turkish president will act you can of course decide that the operation is extended. probably the americans would somehow conference with the turkish forces done we have
a problem between the two accounts so it is like a poker game one of them telling not to do and the other one is intending to do we will see who is going to win today and of the day but the toll between two presidents at the moment is not friendly and american. threat in terms turkish a big stand demilitarization there's a lot of variables as you explain of course what you think is a long term strategy in syria could we see a permanent turkish military presence in the country. i don't think so turkish presence in syria. russia syrian government bashar assad inspiration will decide turkey's intervention is not unilateral in
this sense it is on the. contrary from this perspective the turkish government somehow. timetable how long it is going to stay there i do not expect that turkey is having any military bases. longer our military presence. coming events how turkey is growing inside of the right to control the area but nonetheless it does look you know the president's statements as if turkey is escalating its campaign there the scope of the time is of course up for debate but the broader consequences for the region what do you think that will be with today's development. i think the confrontation between turkey and the masses of america is getting more
and more likely. to move for if the american soldiers support the idea that we have regional conflict on the one hand but also alliance conflict. to nato contrary i don't know how the president. in particular are doing of the. statements. by the government and how turkey will react the ball is on the turkish side not on the american side now we do appreciate your take as always this story has got legs certainly we hope to get you back soon to talk more on it hussein by professor of international relations and chris middle east technical university thank you. now moving on to another headline story with just weeks to go until the winter olympic games inside korea and more russian after
leeds are now expecting their dreams of competing to be dutch to the international olympic committee has sent a list of eligible participants to moscow and among those missing are athletes who've never failed that doping test during their entire career. tensions in the sports world are hitting another high as the i.o.c. has confirmed that the number of russian athletes that are eligible to compete in the upcoming winter olympics is to be reduced now unexpectedly and without explanation now the full list of who is eligible has not yet been released but the russian olympic committee has disclosed a number of names that are thought to be who will be disqualified and that decision is ruffling feathers not only in russia but abroad as well a french sports outlet has published a article online condemning the disqualification of two athletes in particular we will not be embarrassed to speak about a denial of justice shoot pool and are banned from the olympics because they participated in the sochi games both have undergone hundreds of anti doping
controls since two thousand and fourteen and dozens more in recent months control is carried out abroad controls carried out by independent bodies by federations and analyzed throughout europe never in russia the result over the last four years a biathlete has never tested positive. in the is a by athlete who brought a gold home from sochi and he and his team mates. are leaders of team russia and were both two main hopefuls for winning medals and south korea as well now they're both world champions and in all of their years competing neither has ever tested positive for doping and that's one of the reason the the decision as an injustice the tone of this editorial will not please everyone that's obvious but there are still questions about the integrity of the decision makers since when can we condemn innocent sportsmen to punish the guilty is obvious to ban the russians that don't also for the rest know the i was he has promised to publish the full list of al.