means the balance of power between among the warring parties the warring syrian parties in there the regime certainly appears to have the upper hand in most of syria i think as i said the exception is the larger the kurdish areas and it live but then there's also the competition as you say among foreign powers turkey iran israel. cetera and. there are their views are also going to weigh heavily as to the future of syria so my own i think my own in crisis group's own assessment is that at this point we are looking at a house work that's not by any means ideal and hopefully that can move towards a more decentralized syria in which foreign parties exit but that's again i think we're at it depends on what time horizon you're talking about i think for now the aspiration should be the priority should be lessened if not end the violence and if that means having zones that are slightly different in terms of the way they're governed and choose the kind of influence of the regime. if that's the price to pay
that's an acceptable price to pay in order to stop the suffering the bombing of hospitals the bombing of civilians the displaced with the refugee if that what we need to do is put a priority on that and that may mean for some time that syria will not be as unified as as a regime or others may like it to be so they've become flexion agreements don't include jihad as brigades fighting in italy or elsewhere and since they control the whole lot of territory i mean assad soldiers will and have the right to move into italy and fight them. and that's probably what they going to do if it comes down to it so is dick confliction there for just a symbolic move saying how it doesn't really concern the main front of the war. so i mean this is been one of the issues that since two thousand and fifteen we've been debating with russia and others when i was in the ministration and our crisis group is grappling with which is of course. you know we can't treat jihad as same way as you treat as civilians and they are parties that are going to have to either
change or behavior are they going to have to be fought. but it was all too often it's been used as a pretext justification to go in and bomb everyone including if they're not out it's then and again you know the maybe disagreement on this but that's certainly been the experience that i saw as they screened so there are folks on the ground that the figure leave for the pretext of saying we're going after jihad this we don't have to miss are we going after al qaeda is often used to indiscriminately bomb people who are nothing to do with them now the answer to that is a not indiscriminately bomb of course but it's also to find ways to pressure those groups either so that they disband or that they the they change i mean this is not this is been one of the issues that has plagued syria and again i think responsibility is not only on the regime and its allies many of the supporters of the opposition turned a blind eye when some of the more the less jihad these groups were. intermingled with the job as groups and that became a real issue and that's partly why we are in the situation we're in today but if
again if one takes the position that the goal of the party today must be to lessen if not end the violence and we need to take some time where we're going to stop the bombing and try to resolve the question of what to do with jihad as groups and to do it in a way that actually does not go into effect and kill civilians because i think you know this and your audience know this on the international law it's not an excuse to say the reason we bombed civilians is because we were going after after terrorists sometimes united states has done the same thing and not on the scale that russia is doing in syria i would argue but sometimes other countries have gone in on the on the claim that they were going after terrorist groups they've often hit civilians. what seems to be happening in syria is that that's being done in a more deliberate way in a more large scale way and that's that's really what needs to stop all right so this whole assad must say assad moscow issue has been
a debate forever and washington wants first very adamant about assad must go now we hear well wait you can maybe stay do you feel that state department has a clear cut line when it comes to syria doesn't really know what it's doing as i think what happened is we went for as you say for a period of a sudden must go then during the first months of the trump administration it sounded as if that position had softened if you go back and look at some of the statements that secretary of state tillerson or u.n. ambassador nikki haley made one thought that maybe there was a shift of late very clearly certainly in the words of secular tillerson were back to assad must go as i said earlier i think for already now should not be assad stays as it goes we all could have our views and whether he's the right person to lead syria at this time but the party for international crisis group is not let's not focus on that now let's focus on ending the war and let's not make intermingle the humanitarian concern which is the bombing of hospitals the bombing of civilians
the shelling of damascus by rebel groups that's not and obviously the bombing by the regime as i was mentioning earlier there's an exact with the political objectives which some people may still have we need to put those aside the political objectives of those need to be resolved at the negotiating table they're not going to be resolved in the battlefield at this point so so i think that's the i think the position of the state department today and of the i assume of the white house is clearer than it had been in the first ones of the trapped in this regime there back to the notion that assad needs to go the geneva process needs to leave to his his departure and again eisenberg i negotiated this with some of the many russians and many others we would spend. years arguing over whether assad should leave in a month or in two months or in six months. and years have gone by so let's not waste more time on that question i mean there is no railways in india wasting more going to milan italy but like you've said it does feel like you know the state dept is back on to the outside moscow thing you know and i mean isn't it a little strange i mean you seem like
a sensible man like you're not really picking sides is it a little strange the fact that there is a country or several countries which openly demand change in other governments by force why is that ok and if minutes well it just said you know sorry we've had enough of you trump you must go on that you know start arming anti trump extremists how would that look like to america you know if i had to do the list of who's responsible i think we wouldn't we would have enough time in an hour but certainly to the regimes disproportionate response the decision by by several outsiders to to as i say makes the objective which is to end the violence with the political objective which was to get rid of assad the fact that serve became a battleground for regional influence between iran saudi arabia turkey its us then russia all of that and the fact that people were in a way encouraging the rebels to believe that they could topple the regime which which only through a group for the few of the comp i think you know we'll have time in the months and
years to come to look back and learn everything that shouldn't have been done in syria and i said think everyone is going to come out of this looking pretty bad the regime may be worse by some measure but everyone else will look bad as well but i think there will be time to debate that to debate the bigger question about humanitarian so vention one is a justified one is it not justified that's the bay that has been taking place now for some decades but let's not be paralyzed by that debate and let's focus on what really matters today and which is that's just silence the guns so you know there's the question i you know everyone will have their opinion was the right to call from a bar
for khadafy for saddam hussein for for for us to leave what has it meant for the middle east was that the right approach i think crisis group has had. as were in the past many times about the big flaws of u.s. policy that has tried to impose its will on other countries and often in ways that have hurt not just the countries but the u.s. as well as we've seen certainly in iraq that let's you know we could have that
debate is a worthy debate to have because there's also the day what does one do if one sees massacres in countries whether it's from the wrong or in syria with hundreds of thousands of people are killed does the international community whoever that whatever that means does it have a responsibility to step in and to stop that they've got a real question that people have to face to which we don't have a good answer today but you know all of those questions will have plenty of time to resolve a need to be resolved but let's not use that
as a reason not to address the media urgent question of how to stop the killing in syria. all right mr malley thanks a lot for this interview we're talking to robert malley former advisor to president obama now president and c.e.o. of the international crisis group discussing crisis in syria and that's it for this edition of cell phone call so next. thank you.
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a total of forty six trucks will deliver aid and supplies to those stranded inside the city this is the first humanitarian help to reach the area since mid february the relief efforts are being coordinated by the u.n. red cross and red crescent. is located just outside the syrian capital damascus it has been occupied by various rebel an islamist groups for years it's been under siege since twenty thirteen and here to the north of kuta in the of the u.n. refugee camp is the humanitarian corridor talk that the aid trucks are using. however it's reported that those desperate to flee goods are via the corridor have been prevented from doing so by rebel shelling and sniper fire the russian military says only two children have managed to escape east and go to us so far. i warning these all the upsetting images of the moment syrian soldiers saved the
two children they were clearly in shock i'm a comforted off to reach in the government help position the children say they left with their parents but was separated from them often militants opened fire. and. little hope. and overnight mr lewis well i don't. have many. of the most anyone. can tell you to. never smile you you when.