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now we're back with robert malley is a obama administration's advisor on isis on the middle east now had of the international crisis group talking about the war in syria is growing more and more complex mr malley you met president assad in person do you think you will stop short of conquering the whole territory from the rebels i mean what recovering its unity under asaad may ultimately be better for syria than splintering it into a patchwork of rebel warlords controlled areas. so i made him many many years ago before before the war so i can't i can't really claim that i know from those meetings how he will act i think we know from the way he's been conducting the war that the goal is to reconquer or to retake as much of syria's possible and perhaps
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all of syria i don't think that that's something that's going to happen in the near term because of turkey's presence and because of the u.s. and kurdish presence in the in the east so i don't i don't think that that's going to be an attainable goal it is a goal that in the medium to long term the regime is going to continue pursuing you know it is going to raise an issue i mean again one one could one could say that when they take a position one way or the other about whether assad should go but it is clear that there be many constituencies in syria who would not be thrilled to see the regime extend its writ back on them and not part of the country where there are solutions and i know that this is part of what different countries are talking about whether the solutions that would involve greater decentralization in syria so that some of the areas that have been. not under control of the regime for some time could be slightly more ptolemy's even though they fall under the sovereignty of the state that's something that needs to be discussed in the context of the political the political talks that are ongoing whether in geneva or someplace in sochi in the
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context of talk about a new constitution so theoretically should the come through as a country be reunited and not be a patchwork and not have influence by different countries of course and i'm sure that's what most syrians would want i don't think that's realistic under current conditions it may not be realistic as long as the regime is what it is today i don't know that's that's obviously something that the syrians are going to have to decide but that is unfortunate lot of blood that's been spilt and i'm sure this. it's going to take some time for many syrians to reconcile themselves to the different reality now the geneva she asked to not talks about achievements such as different the confliction zone observation pos reconciliation centers but obviously failed to dent the greater war itself can post war syria be decided during this conferences i'm in is that realistic. you know having spent a long time in geneva both with the russian colleagues but also with the un and
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others it's hard to be particularly hopeful that was going to be decided in geneva is going to make much of a as much of a difference as one might have hoped the reality on the ground is what's going to determine the future of syria that means the balance of power between among the warring parties the warring syrian parties in there the regime certainly appears to have the upper hand in most of syria i think as i said the exception is that the kurdish areas and it live but then there's also the competition as you say among foreign powers turkey iran israel. cetera and. there are their views are also going to weigh heavily as to the future of syria so my own i think my own in crisis group's own assessment is that at this point we are looking at a patchwork that's not by any means ideal and hopefully that can move towards a more decentralized syria in which foreign parties exit but that's again i think
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we're at it depends on what time horizon you're talking about i think for now the aspiration should be the priority should be lessened if not end the violence and if that means having zones that are slightly different in terms of the way they're governed and choose the kind of influence of the regime. if that's the price to pay that's an acceptable price to pay in order to stop the suffering the bombing of hospitals the bombing of civilians the displaced with the refugee if that what we need to do is put a priority on that and that may mean for some time that syria will not be as unified as as a regime or others may like it to be so they've taken flexion agreements don't include jihad as brigades fighting in italy or elsewhere and since they control the whole lot of territory i mean assad soldiers will and have the right to move into italy and fight them. and that's probably what they going to do if it comes down to it so is dick confliction there for just a symbolic move saying how it doesn't really concern the main front of the war. so
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i mean this is been one of the issues that since two thousand and fifteen we've been debating with russia and others when i was in the ministration and our crisis group is grappling with which is of course. you know we can't treat jihad as same way as you treat as civilians and they are parties that are going to have to change a behavior they're going to have to be fought. but it was all too often it's been used as a pretext justification to go in and bomb everyone including if they're not out it's then and again you know the maybe disagreement on this but that's certainly been the experience that i saw as they screened so there are folks on the ground that the figure leave for the pretext of saying we're going after jihad this we don't have to miss are we going after al qaeda is often used to indiscriminately bomb people who are nothing to do with them now the answer to that is a not indiscriminately bomb of course but it's also to find ways to pressure those groups either so that they disband or that they the they change i mean this is not this is been one of the issues that has plagued syria and again i think responsibility is not only on the regime and its allies many of the supporters of
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the opposition turned a blind eye when some of the more the less jihad these groups were. get intermingled with the job as groups and that became a real issue and that's partly why we are in the situation we're in today but if again if one takes the position that the goal the priority today must be to lessen if not end the violence then we need to take some time where we're going to stop the bombing and try to resolve the question of what to do with jihad as groups and to do it in a way that actually does not go into effect and kill civilians because i think you know this and your audience know this under international law it's not an excuse to say the reason we bombed civilians is because we were going after after terrorists sometimes united states has done the same thing and not on the scale that russia is doing in syria i would argue but sometimes other countries have gone in on the on the claim that they were going after terrorist groups they've often hit civilians.
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what seems to be happening in syria is that that's being done in a more deliberate way in a more large scale way and that's that's really what needs to stop all right so this whole assad must say assad moscow issue has been a debate forever and washington wants first very adamant about assad must go now we hear well wait you can maybe stay do you feel that state department has a clear cut line when it comes to syria doesn't really know what it's doing as i think what happened is we went for as you say for a period of a sudden must go then during the first months of the trump administration it sounded as if that position had softened if you go back and look at some of the statements that secretary of state tillerson or u.n. ambassador nikki haley made one thought that maybe there was a shift of late very clearly certainly in the words of circular tillerson we're back to assad must go as i said earlier i think the priority now should not be assad stays as goes we all could have our views and whether he is the right person
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to lead syria at this time but the party for international crisis group is not let's not focus on that now let's focus on ending the war and let's not make intermingle the humanitarian concern which is the bombing of hospitals or bombing of civilians the shelling of damascus by rebel groups that's not and obviously the bombing by the regime as i was mentioning earlier there's an exact with the political objectives which some people may still have we need to put those aside the political objectives of those need to be resolved at the negotiating table they're not going to be resolved in the battlefield at this point so so i think that's the i think the position of the state department today and of the i assume of the white house is clearer than it had been in the first ones of the trapped in this regime there back to the notion that assad needs to go the geneva process needs to leave to his his departure and again eisenberg i negotiated this with some of the many russians and many others we would spend. years arguing over whether such should leave in a month or in two months or in six month. and years have gone by so let's not waste
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more time on that question i mean it is not going away in a wasting we're going to milan italy but like you've said it does feel like you know the state dept is back on to the outside moscow thing you know and i mean isn't it a little strange i mean you seem like a sensible man like you're not really picking sides is it a little strange the fact that there is a country or several countries which openly demand change in other governments by force why is that ok and if minutes well it just said you know sorry we've had enough of your trump you must go on that you know start arming anti trump extremists how would that look like to america you know if i had to do the list of who's responsible i think we wouldn't we would have enough time in an hour but certainly the the regimes disproportionate response the decision by by several outsiders to to as i say makes the objective which is to end the violence with the political objective which was to get rid of assad the fact is sir became a better ground for regional influence between iran saudi arabia turkey its us than
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russia all of that and the fact that people were in a way encouraging the rebels to believe they could topple the regime which which only through for the few of the comp i think you know we'll have time in the months and years to come to look back and learn everything that shouldn't have been done in syria and i said think everyone is going to come out of this looking pretty bad the regime may be worse by some measure but everyone else will look will look bad as well but i think there will be time to debate that to debate the bigger question about humanitarian so vention when is it justified when is it not justified that's the debate that has been taking place now for some decades but let's not be paralyzed by that debate and let's focus on what really matters today and which is it's just silence the guns so you know there's there's a question i you know everyone will have their opinion was it right to call from a bar for khadafy for saddam hussein for for for us to leave what has it meant for the middle east was that the right approach i think crisis group has had. as we're
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in the past many times about the big flaws of u.s. policy that has tried to impose its will on other countries and often in ways that have hurt not just the countries but in the u.s. as well as we've seen certainly in iraq that let's you know we could have that debate is a worthy debate to have because there's also the day what does one do if one sees massacres in countries whether it's from the wrong or in syria with hundreds of thousands of people are killed does the international community whoever that whatever that means does it have a responsibility to step in and to stop that they've got a real question that people have to face to which we don't have a good answer today but you know all of those questions will have plenty of time to resolve a need to be resolved but let's not use that as a reason not to address the media urgent question of how to stop the killing in syria. all right mr malley thanks a lot for this interview we're talking to robert malley former advisor to president obama now president and c.e.o. of the international crisis group discussing crisis in syria and that's it for this
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is art international coming up this hour from fringe to front runners italy's anti establishment and the euro skeptic parties are on course to take the lion's share of the general election vote living a bruising to brussels the leader of the league party already is making predictions about europe's future it's clear to us that the system of having one common currency is going to and so we want to be prepared for that moment coming up to focus on syria what's happening there much needed humanitarian aid reaching the rebel on the east and r.t. talks to the only two children first managed to get out from that held place which is occupied by a number of islamist groups. in the model shuttle. bus
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could ever imagine this two russian families learn their daughters were mixed up with a maternity ward forty years ago a mistake that had tragic consequences that story to. get through kevin i would hear it r t h q tonight just turned ten pm this monday the fifth of march first a big say in southern europe early indications from italy's election show the voters have dealt a blow to the establishment parties with the five star movement in line to become the single biggest party. says the five star movement's leader reacting to the exit results shortly after the polls closed smalling a clearly ecstatic nujood of miles and thirty one years old says he's now ready to find coalition partners to try and form a government weeks of deal making therefore lie ahead now in
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a complicated process it's all italy will end up with a center right governing coalition the five star movement didn't have a campaign partner there are other groupings though the anti immigration league party teamed up with four time prime minister silvio berlusconi from go italy and the people of freedom party but discone of self although a long time a political figure there is banned from holding office for another year over a previous fraud conviction meantime league party leader mattel's salvini has already put his name in the hat to be italy's next prime minister who has been in europe it is a law we are now under obligation to form a center right coalition we have a right and a duty to rule in the coming years. one person we can tell you is a really ruled themselves out former prime minister material renzi he's quit in fact as leader of the current center left democratic party after the worst election result in over a decade renzi also added the party would not enter into a coalition it with either the five star movement or the league next and this is
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said churkin has been following much more of this in detail as got more post reaction post-election reaction for us in rome. this was an election that was meant to bring stability and clarity to italian politics but it seems to have done anything but that with of course the antiestablishment five star movement rocketing forward as well as the right wing likud nor taking quite many seats from the way things stand right now those parties of course are celebrating victories in parts in terms of the italian moods we have to say there seems to be a lot of confusion in terms of where this is going to head forward because of course nobody has been able to grasp a majority to be able to leave the way and form a government so there's going to be lots of broad discussions and negotiations moving forward it seems now we have some of the biggest newspapers in italy today with had lines such as this forward for the m five star movement but the government
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is in a puzzle here a win for demaio but italy is in governable so these are just really celebrations inside party headquarters but where it really goes from here is the big question we've been gauging summary options on the streets here in rome where you do let's trust the privacy of our home and i think getting young why not interested after such a disaster over the past few years. policies didn't make anybody happy this defeat is mainly the result of the democratic party's politics basically it's a vote dictated by fear and despair the people's reaction was expected the votes will go to those who make promises and keep them. or in a strange situation. we find ourselves in political confusion and it's brought about an uncertain result therefore we will face the same trouble again well we've seen some reactions for starters from france where a marine the panel had said that the european union is not having
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a very relaxing night so to speak we've heard from former you keep leader congratulating the five star movement you have more reaction so this is it is said the mood in italy right now. is more one of confusion than anything both over the uncertainty the final results and discontent with the new voting system today's italian newspaper headlines talking of a mess and an ungovernable italy now when you go further afield more reaction for you check out some other western headlines they're predicting a big mess and what it could mean more broadly for europe what this vote in italy is going to mean now the knock on effect checker these headlines a lot of predicting a clash between italy and the e.u. the final election results aren't declared yet but the media is already calling it a nightmare scenario for brussels as well as a warning in a stinging rebuke among other terms somewhat fuel to it has to be said by the league party leaders predictions for the eurozone. have never changed my mind and
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keep on saying choosing the euro was a mistake it's clear to us that the system of having one common currency is going to end not because he wants it to be the case but because it's a matter of common sense the real economy shows it so we want to be prepared for that moment and this is also asked italian politics analyst no bull feed cheer but the possibility of a rift may be opening up between italy and the e.u. . do you think brussels is worried yes is really really worried because you know first of all by some mormons nor even though their right wing coalition they are not so happy about the eurozone about you or your union and several times. when you see that you want to abolish the sanctions against russia you want to change even the foreign policies are we totally he wants to start again cooperation with russia and for sure but not happy about this is really concerned about the only bridge so i can see even the united states if we were. even struck for the intelligence how
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you see it they publish some analyses some videos about italy and they are really concerned about these and. in the future we can really choose to joke about this in europe by in the international arena. focus on syria now the latest happening there well first off united nations aid convoy it seems entered the syrian rebel on clay the eastern ghouta just outside the capital damascus has been a real hotspot or a lately that won a total of forty six trucks delivering health and food supplies to some of the hundreds of thousands of people trapped inside the besieged area with the details our senior correspondent or gassed you. the first batch of u.n. aid has gone in food and health supplies medicine as many as forty six trucks with enough food for twenty seven thousand people the convoy was reportedly held up for a while at the rebel checkpoint but survey eventually let it through this is by the
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way the first time this has happened since the u.n. has called for a month long truce in syria the aid it self was delivered during a cease fire a daily unilateral ceasefire established by the syrian government and russia its purpose was to provide a safe window every day for civilians to flee guta by a special crossings but it seems is the missed rebels had different ideas they're doing what they did in aleppo they aren't allowing any civilians out at all and the shelling those crossings therefore the syrian government has allowed this aid to go in but the u.n. says it didn't get to take everything it wanted certain items like field first aid kits the sort that could be used by militants would take it off the convoy anything of military value jewel use is being blocked nevertheless this is big it is
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a significant development at least those civilians trapped in east ghouta will now have food if the rebels don't do again what they did in aleppo and hold it all in their warehouses fighting also hasn't debated russian monitors in damascus say that islam is in east ghouta have not stopped shelling the capital the syrian government in turn has kept up its own offensive on the enclave forty percent of it has now been retaken by government forces in an operation that has gone on for the last several weeks. we asked representatives of both united nations and the red cross for their thoughts on russia steps to try to help civilians in eastern guta we were not part of the discussions around the humanitarian corridor however you know any any initiative. you know alleviate the suffering of people you know we force well
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we you know our primary goal is to that there is a cessation of hostilities but there is a humanitarian cause that is long enough for us to be able to deliver assistance on a regular basis what we call for and what we continue to call for is thirty days. least thirty days cessation of hostilities so that we can deliver assistance to people in need in. other big areas in syria what's what's important is the most old parties on the ground warring parties and. respect and protect civilians whether there are humanitarian corridors or not so civilians must not be must not be targeted and should be allowed to flee whether through military included doors or not if they wish and if they wish to remain inside their homes and they are not to be targeted that is clear according to international humanitarian law.

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