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hello and welcome to crossfire where all things are considered peter lavelle to the summit can donald trump and kim jong un start a meaningful peace process as well as what's italy's democratic process means for the e.u. and much much more on this edition of cross. cross talk in the summit i'm joined by my guest mark sloboda he's an international affairs and security analyst we also have dmitry babich is a political analyst we spoke nick international and in london we crossed alexander make your us he is a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com all right gentlemen crosstalk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to london first let me go to alex i did stew a quick update on what's going on on the korean peninsula this time last week a trumpet said no now he says yes what i think is in play is really the enter
korean dynamic here this is where the real peace process where there is one going to be one it originated there and it's going to continue there and we'd have to see where the u.s. stands but even if the u.s. does change its mind once more it doesn't mean a peace process is over go ahead alex in london i think that is absolutely right and i think you are correct to point out this is actually starts as an insecurity in dialogue the koreans first started to talk to each other rock really back in january when kim jong basically made a speech in your address he said let's go to the. the games and we've seen this. now i also you're absolutely right to say that each is the united states which has been cool along there are some people in the united states who only think are not happy with this process but ultimately what can the u.s.
do if south korea agrees to does north korea agrees to desire to get rid of its nuclear weapons and south korea says the u.s. troops must go does the u.s. say no to those students where on think people would like it to might not be you know what i think it's really interesting to me that in dealing here i mean you know in looking at the mainstream media it is the denuclearization of the korean peninsula not north korea or only also the north korean leadership has made it clear very wisely from a diplomatic point of view is that they're not demanding a complete immediate withdrawal of american troops that would be part of some part of some kind of process here i mean they are displaying a step by step process donald trump through his last. bout it seems to be picking up on that he said there won't be a deal made in one meeting smart ok because there won't be one on top of it we have an international charm offensive going on you usually don't say north korean charm
but now we are meeting with president putin so this is having a ripple effect i mean it's very easy to charm the united states michael pounce. developments in north korea could take what could go along the libyan model you know we all remember what happened to the bear and what's going on there now so it's not a very appealing perspective but you know the way trump handles it on the thirteenth of july you know one day after their presumed that south korea has a local election so they have mid-term elections for their parliament. so it's very important for president one jean who did a lot for peace on the peninsula to come to this election with some kind of a result well he's already i mean there's already results and it's this is all about a process mark there's still a lot of landmines in the in the in going to an end and i and i want to say it's
not there's nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic but we do see the past ok lack of goodwill on all sides including the united states the last time this year there's nothing wrong with being cautiously optimistic but i'm not at all cautiously optimistic cautiously or not i mean the landmines are so huge i mean just the fact that the two koreas are speaking to each other is already a progress that i think we should recognize and we should have we should lower our expectations for this right but i mean we have figures in the administration we have bolton we have pompei o we we have another story we have the u.s. deep state we have japan which does not want to see the two koreas unified as it has historical animosities with cuba we have the south korean deep state because they have a conservative military and intelligence apparatus which is not very happy with their own president right and some of the gestures he is making towards we have to
remember that just a few weeks ago when the u.s. pushed defense drills with north korea that would it was going to involve strategic assets including. b. fifty two an f. twenty and f. twenty two fighters both nuclear capable that already almost song these talks so it would take only a very small military provocation and it's not like we have the seizing of this before. truth not only sink this but to send us in the other direction let me go back to london to here but one of the things that is ok i'll take mark see no he's not come. actually optimistic and i think that balances are us all out on this program here but you know breaking the russians on board the chinese on board certainly elements of the south korean political leadership by i agree with mark there's going to be the deep state that's going to be very hesitant but this is creating a momentum and anyone that's involved in negotiations and particularly donald trump
of the art of the deal no one wants to. have the perception out there that they didn't follow through and i think this is part of the dynamic that is being played out right now go ahead alex jogging about lament and let's talk about this of some that. deep state people like bolts are deliberately trying to sabotage the summit that was why they were bringing up this business about libya and that was why all those drills happened and yet in spite of all of that inspired to drum up say the summit is cooled off the summit is back on and the reason it is back at all is because the koreans the two careers responded want to talk to each other and that is the momentum but mark is absolutely right there are all sorts of people who don't like this japan might want to go along with this eventuality but
it is not going to be happy to have an eighty million population career economic giant. fall on its doorstep and one who's been to korea south korea which i have there is no love lost between koreans and japanese no no no and when i think i'm going to change gears here but at the end of the day it's all about country sovereignty of south korea maybe want to cause some of it back in japan or have to think about its dependence on the united states if a deal has been quite let's change gears here. i was watching the italian elections with the great fascination. essential of the the the powers that be were putting a brake on democracy. the the the two parties that. more than fifty percent of the vote and then they backtracked here and now we have the e.u. first lecturing the many figures in the e.u. lecturing the italians about how they should vote but the democratic process is inching ever so slowly forward in italy is what kind of message is that sending
brussels and the rest of the membership of the e.u. well i think the message is don't cross the mainstream media who calls anyone who disagrees with the european commission populists far right dangerous marginalized put it difference the five star you know a lot of the league they have won together you know if we. have the ball they way they want more than fifty percent of the vote all of the people who actually came to the pools they had the full right to suggest their prime minister when the president said oh my god i would try to separate that that was a scandal but obviously there are some changes taking place in the u. because i think two years ago three years ago the european commission would simply you know push their idea through you know because they're not in league and the price that committed a mortal sin they called for and then to end a rush of sanctions in their so-called government contract but now when the head of
the european commission called your joint car or you would carry in french when he is saying i'm caught in this i do think we have to reconnect with russia not forget and what our differences are but the russian bashing class to be brought to an end and of course when such things you hear from the head of the european commission something has to change inside or even union to look at the i think maybe you know again cautiously optimistic is that there maybe the where newest it's not the rise of the populous left it's not the rise of the populist left right but it's really the failure of the center. these centrist parties in are they going to get on board and understand that people are going to vote for alternatives so i don't think you understand the danger that this populist democracy presenting to the european union fight and so you're lecturing us on no more. because thankfully
the talian figurehead president rightly recognized that the euro is greater than the market see right and acted to defend it by preventing this from this joint far right far left governments finance minister who was very critical of the euro from being appointed the e.u. his budget chief i think said it best to go and. he says it is unacceptable and acceptable for our talian still vote for populists the markets will teach them how to vote ok alexander react to that because i think that was really the best quote of them all. but you know that it gets down to either you promote and work through the process of democracy or you don't and in this case we had glaring poorer examples of one or the other go ahead why have these two
parties the one star movement and the newly now become the dominant parties in it's really become the dominant party in italy because the mainstream in exactly the democratic party will form a communist party by the way some people might be interested to know became a sensually transmission belts all the alters they we're getting from frankfurt and berlin and brussels they were no longer responding to each halley an electorate they were responding to do what they were being told to do in the center now. given that this is actually we've had twenty years of economic recession and stagnation we have a thirty five percent unemployment amongst young people we have had lower living standards he's. going to jump in here gentlemen we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on real news
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we have the privilege of being the most allied ally of the united states. centaurs tool and many other alliances promoted by the west and states and particularly by members of we also have the privilege of being the most sanctioned. of that to any group of countries so while it sounds contradictory it is contradictory and this shows that pakistan will do what is in its national interest it will not just go with the wind one reel the other. is a. church secret indeed just like priests accused of sexually abusing
children can get away with it quite literally i like to call this the geographic solution so what the bishop needs to do then he finds out that the priest is is a perpetrator is simply moves him to a different spot were the previous standards not the highest ranks of the catholic church conceal the accused priests from the police and justice system to that end if that's known as the end then i think you'll hear that it just is out and. it's felt. welcome back across the uk where all things considered i'm peter remind you we're discussing some real news. ok the moment to go back to the italy e.u.
story here when it on the tail end of what alexander mackerras had to say in london all of this is going on with a looming. trade war with the united states so add that into the mix there is a big split in the u. on the economic mess particularly on the so-called north stream you know the gas from russia going to europe and it's exactly the same kind of split that we have all and a tribute to all of the you would too. from the iran deal. and some other used european states that for the ring and pull out they want to protect criticism from the e.u. and they're against the north korean project. and what is very interesting is this cynical had to do it over the united states i mean the spokeswoman for the state department. denied that i'm caught in the minutia through more according to which the u.s. all know opposed the pipeline in order to sell gas to europe well it's not a militia is the rule of the example but i believe through. the issue of the rule
of that we've heard the bollard about iraq not even weapons of mass destruction before the american invasion or of. a russian drone is bob good been actually a research we're going to get to that story ok since you brought it up mark in that explain the resurrection of a russian journalist in ukraine who's in russian yes and i think i got them right ok so this is a journalist opposition activists are comedy about django he's a veteran of the chechen war he tried on the russian side the russian side he tried to get out of military duty by claiming mental illness in fact he got caught bribing a doctor to claim he was mentally ill he ended up not serving when his parents broke in there was commander's office and threatened to chain themselves to the radiator then he volunteered to go back to the second try to and more as a contract soldier then he became anti-war then he became anti russian government
this is a guy who really has no love for his country and their country doesn't have much love for him he celebrated. the death of children in a fire in cattermole recently saying burn burn he said he celebrated the death of a red army choir and journalists that were on route to syria for a performance saying they were as guilty as putin and he posted on social media that he promised to come back to russia the first nato tank coming into moscow so this is guy is quite a character let me go let me can you get bring us up to the present here i mean i mean this this whole scam here i mean the reason why i'm interested in the story i'm not interested in interested in this guy at all ok but he's a character i mean hollywood stuff here but look for the western journalist exactly how they react to this they they took it as gospel from the government in kiev that
the russians were behind it there is not any evidence whatsoever that is the case of that he is they have more famous russian journalist to live in now in ukraine you know and he has been before that story happened because he also covered the door possible from the ukrainian side he was with the ukrainian soldiers swarm been doing yes he's them employed by the our which is funded by the u.s. it's absolutely and russia is such as really to the american embassy russia you know is such a pathetic country after. you return to russia leave here for three years and only left again for your brain in two thousand and seventeen in the end of two thousand and seventeen so when the news came that he was bored or was found by his wife right next to his apartment after all those of course all of the officials in ukraine and in the west with the notable exception of president poroshenko himself started saying that they're sure it was russia they had me just quote their ukrainian prime minister he had the russian to put it in machine didn't give bob.
and his high principles he was a true friend of your. greenwich called the war party or incident of the russian aggression well if it's the current the same kind of course spread about his death then you can imagine what kind of truth the ukrainian people are layers of lawyers are going to go back to london to alexander. the story for me the only importance of the story is the fact it shows the western media will take anything hook line and sinker from the from the folks in here that will paint russia in a very negative light and we do have the world cup opening up in russia very shortly this is this another way to tarnish russia's reputation go ahead alex well indeed and if you actually look at the british media reaction when. there is a huge sense of betrayal and anger with ukraine surprise surprise surprise their
interest angry because of the gift is not there they expose this narrative as in this case a false and an awful lot of people are very upset and angry with ukraine for doing that. that is one of the most remarkable things people who say well the terrible thing about this story is it's going to mean that hootin and the kremlin drawing ganda machine are going to be able to explore this to prove that a lot i am certainly not exploiting anything i'm juss shining the light on this because that is the only antidote to this kind of propaganda here mark go ahead jump in ok so the whole sort of i mean obviously has some good planning here the ukrainian m.p. who was in are this the said that it was done in the style of sherlock holmes
because sherlock holmes also did something like this and it was very six. so for him i had to tell it to this rather and be but sure comes isn't a real character i mean he. was doing very well there so even though we had a fake killer who actually used to be part of these ukrainian alter it actually was fake to be a fake victim the world's first verified crisis actor lazarus turning just like the scruples from the dead i think they must have shot him with a certified nova dummy blanks only ten times more powerful than vieques which means essentially harmless right the supposedly the guy who hired this killer they're saying who has links to russian intelligence he says he's actually linked to ukrainian counterintelligence there may be a business saying go because he is partner and some of these are very sit on a german ukrainian venture to build. site sniper scopes for the ukrainian
intelligence services and there's a disagreement over who owned this company so some people say that it was all part of an elaborate corruption see how much you love our line of business leaders so entertaining it is so ukrainian sort it let me just walk in and not show the reaction of the western press to all of these bad box encounters alive but they wouldn't still kill him that is their reaction and i'm great a blogger but it comes from that i think he found the most humane areas headline about this the stunt may end up feeding the crammed into spin machine so how to construct a quantum so that i just love it those spent fuel russians will you'll all lies to prove that we have to know why this is impossible this is unacceptable but in fact if you analyze the story there is something in common something in common that the bob wrote it has with russia couldn't story war never happen but there was
a hysterical reaction and there where you by. auld cold war propaganda machine started to work in the west and now it just can't stop you know with will stop abruptly because of history surrender withdrawal of the earth there is no thing as it only constanza we started this program damon was pointing out that you have newspaper clippings and those are those are physical you can save them but in this day and age people just wipe the internet clean ok i want to change topics here alex i want to go to you in important stories like getting a lot of coverage is that the u.s. wants to move a missile defenses in the system into europe presumably because of the withdrawal of the united states from the iran deal but iran is somehow a threat to europe this is this is very provocative behavior on the part of the u.s. considering europe is staying with the deal with the iranians go ahead alex. and
i think the point you make about and ballistic defenses of all the rest is that the united states has been driving now at least twenty years. and is going to continue doing so for every opportunity to do so trying every country that there are directed against russia that is to me in refutable irrefutably true you know it's interesting because i don't see this security necessity mark with these systems are very expensive aren't they i mean someone's going to be cashing in on this or they're extremely expensive but i'm sure the trumpet ministration will try to get the german government to foot the bill his constant complaint is you're going to say to the german government don't know you can't import cars or cars or the united states receive events but you have to take our assuring that they're not spending enough on their nato spending to counter the russian threat that is actually far closer to them so the u.s. wants they're already putting these missile defense or there was and paul and
romania alaska at sea in south korea now they want to put them in. money there was also talk about a new u.s. military base on the. east germany towards the border with paul and put the polish government is now begging dropped they want to pay trump two billion dollars for u.s. military forces that put a base in their country while people around the world are protesting for the thousand i don't see us for our military guys this tiny. hole and tensioners us to occupy their god it is bizarre their behavior it's because everyone in poland has an auntie in chicago here i mean it would be good if the mayor is rapidly running out of time here would be one of the interesting things is that. at the end of the second world war nato was put into place to keep the americans in the germans down in the russians to exactly it seems that the the trump administration is doing
everything possible to rearrange the country's maybe to keep germany down but it's pushing the united states we had we had mccrone. visiting st petersburg with quite a few overtures towards a lot of near putin even calling themself an equal to the russian president so the problem is that a lot of russian resolutions ideas in try and use documents so it will take a long time for europe to get rid of this pressure from the united states by the whole europe will soon or way to liberate itself not by the european union itself but by some other form you know probably individually ten seconds mark yeah. well i have a further stretch columbia in asking for the job or not is that we got about right this is another expansion wow trump is preaching against nato and saying that europe isn't spent spending enough on nato the feds call it wants u.s. military bases that in germany now colombia says this is just foreign policy but
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