if used to be been sold on sons of sultan on the wrong side of the bed but that's who we were and then the family when you're born here i was born here. do you think there is a genuine cultural underpinning of rock incredibly strong thanks to franco before before the front problems and the the siege and all that we were like almost second class citizens here this is when frankel closed the border that separates. us right and we were very concentrated and all could hear was the advertising the propaganda from from spain saying that we were. i don't know were immigrants prostitutes everything you know drug smugglers the works and suddenly we turned and said hey hey they're talking about us so that they used to broadcast across the water to lose to broadcast in spanish radio spanish television and we didn't have television in those days so we would watch spanish t.v. and it was terrible the propaganda was like nazi germany but then of course. right
back to the origins of gibraltar as a british territory in fairfield in them in those baden a period ornament in the hills of spain of the lot yes in fact in seventeen of four were not near route to. the queen of spain apparently had a little tower a little castle built there and she sat there is called the seat of the queen and she wouldn't eat or drink until she saw the spanish flag hoist that in the town and admiral rowe being a gentleman host of the spanish flag so she wouldn't die of hunger and how long the dark last for those pilots flying back i think it was about ten minutes you know just. the cream to break a fast with yes yes very much to be required gentlemen. and she must have been a very silly woman. but she was a quick oh yes but that doesn't really follow does it they were ninety six percent of the people gibraltar voted to. main and as european union members but
overwhelming result. of these terms wallace the motor forces behind such a very simple is a very pragmatic vote the only way that we kept spain at bay was by all of us being inside the repeated union and the european union to keep spain more or less in rain so that they wouldn't do any move problems with the front or all the things that they used to do politically so we voted practically to stay in the union my heart. and for many people syrians we don't have much faith in the european union it was practical it worked sample recent events in catalonia would have reinforced the skepticism about the european commission's gets very complicated the catalonian the situation is very complicated and it's got legal connotations that work against that whereas we have the opposite we have legal constraints that cement our being
here the treaty of utrecht particular i would have thought the lesson from catalonia is that the european commission would side with the loyal european union members i.e. spain almost regardless of circumstance well it has to spanos a lot of money to europe they took an x. go and spoil the client they have to pay that back stay with us for board fascinating insight from david ben tatar after the break.
just admit your monetizing that central bank is just printing and buying back its own debt in a deliberate place then you get into what's called a banana republic named after a countries in latin america that to but they're in the but out of business to end up doing this monetization of their own that and have collapsed their currencies venezuela harder to come to mine this is now going to be contagious and going into american. welcome back to the alex salmond show. so tell us about this book davis ahead so i seem to remember that quote from somewhere. actually i liked writing poetry and my friends tell me why don't you do a book and i decided to do it i was thinking of a of a title for it and in a reply that i got from david cameron in from when he was prime minister he told me he had fought for a change in the european union head heart and soul and i thought that's
a terrific title for the book and i used it but the book was more successful than referendum campbell yes definitely it still if it will will you do the jury's out on that is it is quite interesting that you never would believe the commons was a european referendum campaign in a way perhaps it was in the school itself and the campaign so he was an instinctive unionist but he never got the impression during the european union referendum campaign that cam's absolute heart and soul was cameron was right and what he did in one particular way the european union is a club if you don't like the rules of the club you change the rules and you should get people to support you to change the rules otherwise you have to get out and he was trying to get the rules changed that britain didn't have to get out it didn't work they would tell us a little about the people of gibraltar anyway but why is that the mix here and. are
people wanting more people want to brought to you but like some of folks a little more less well know that's about two three questions you've included there basically gibraltar was a garrison garrison required food and drink and everything and from morocco the supplies were coming in from morocco that brought in moroccans and moroccan jews doing the trading then when the war was over there were several seizures but in between you had spaniards coming in here rip. this poem is that left and went to a city called some broccoli on that side obviously english people british people english scottish irish stayed here and then moroccan started coming in later when the spanish workforce was taken away by franco and we have a great mixture here of of cultures and of people and thankfully there is a lot of not just tolerance but harmony between the different communities so draws is very proud of its ethnic diversity and its ability to rankle some i am very
proud of it and what about. poetry but what is the deep well in what you draw when you're writing about. perhaps i don't know. hundred one poems are written about things that happened to me the things that i've seen love stories broken hearts and just put it down on paper and people love it i do recycles them with circles in spain in england. and people seem to like it so i enjoy terrific another book coming out perhaps left the catastrophe family somewhere about the dream which will never ever another book out already of short stories and now i'm working on another book again i'm going to stay artistic seem like gibraltar amazing you would not believe that thirty thousand people could have so much art in them again thanks to spain for the great amounts by enclosing us here it made us concentrate on what we had to so your argument would be david the
job growth theory and identity was forged in the fire we all see ostracised by the throat totally and out of that at that what do you see the future of of the. very bright except it doesn't all depend on us we are a tiny poor in the chest game and the outside forces of spain and britain we dictate whether we will be successful or not by ourselves we can be successful. no question about. the people of the regional gibraltarian like yourself you aren't all attracted by the elected state model because you see it now you've got your own football team could you know how you're going farther than. it is a very particular situation we cannot imitate the places we have different conditions it has to be our solution for our problems not somebody else a solution for their problems and adopted by us that wouldn't settle here.
overlooking morocco on one side spain on the other side the rock wine before us and. pushing eighty degrees before a lovely cooling. what would you say the main reason for people coming to gibraltar where it's a great little place is the center of the world believe it or not if you live here you find that you like in an extended family most people know each other know off each other it's easy to get along crime is low. people are nice they were good for their father ought to have come to on your porch through the cycles but what i can do is present you with the alex salmond quick for appearing in the show you know the. only scars. you pass about your close friends thank you very much that you know he's a thank you thank you. but there's more to gibraltar the politics of the economy interesting all these subjects let's talk a bit about the people of the rock and see how these changing and influences
affected the communities that make up the brotha i'm joined by cruz. after a slow caly shotting there the changing nature of off the influences on gibraltar welcome to the show to you know and i thank you very much how would you say the great economic changes taking place affected the complection of gibraltar and its culture over the last generation. well it's been a interesting time which has had big implications and certainly my generation i mean we've lived the initial period with it's a very good relationship with spain then a close or a border early in our lives and then you know fifteen years of more of an island life with very close relationship with the u.k. we turn towards u.k. and so i think the transition has also been social. that with.
i think the incorporation of many new people into gibraltar actually specifically about the military footprint i mean twenty five years ago military spending was the majority of the gibraltar economy sixty percent now it's six percent and it's been replaced by was a colony what does that mean for the the communities who make up the rock when it means that really physical presence of the of the military forces will to reduce dramatically and that was replaced over time between the i would say study the eighty's and ninety's in particular by a work force for the new sectors that were evolving and these people came from all over the world and many of them are still here today so therefore that shift economically had massive implications in a social sense to both to suddenly change from being i would say a. fairly stable community from let's say the original. components from mediterranean origins to the english. to the jewish communities the
hindu communities and then evolved into really incorporating i would say mostly anglo-saxon individuals from study from the u.k. but you know from south africa from the english speaking world in the broader sense when general franco close the bald the back in the late sixty's didn't have the unintended consequence of. a gibraltarian identity again started vaster to. that certainly was the case i mean it was one of the most significant outcomes of that assembly was in the general plan no but certainly i mean before that i would say that the identity was a softer identity of anything then all of a sudden there was one major thing in common for all members of the community wherever they were you know from all social standing just such as i think all of a sudden that's emerged as one cohesive sort of. i think you know
part of the identity which had big. implications for the future although they say that living in interesting times still charlie is cast as a great burden for office or been all these political changes you see that in your lifetime and gibraltar and the recent change of blacks and challenges that may cause headaches for the politician but it's good news for the op this is not certainly i think i mean as you go through these periods you don't realize to what extent they can be meaningful but certainly i mean what they have done is they have you know forced us to really be resourceful and as well culturally i think to really consider you know you know where we sit in a cultural sense and in my case you know i really over time come to the conclusion that you know to do. with his heritage and you know which is so rich and diverse serves as a wonderful sort of stepping stone you know into the much it's a broader world in the cultural and human sense as well you know you're right
you're putting the spotlight as the extent to which despite the political to the role and despite the complexity of the population the growth of really is a spanish land all is it more of an imperial post in europe or is the african influence still a very strong and could all what is gibraltar i mean obviously a concept for everybody but i would say that in my case i have chosen for part of my work to express myself in spanish and i think that's totally not only that just i'm a bit of a c. you know in artistic sense it was something which was important for me to do i also write in english but it happens that i'm maybe close to a spanish cultural space and therefore i have published in spanish flu looking at it from the poetic sense and literary sense i would not jump to the conclusion from that towards you know it's a defining identity and i find languages are really you know
a bit like dialects i mean poetry is a language you can express his. you know in english and spanish and french you know in so many languages and whether you write in spanish or english you know his significance but it's only part of the story and i think it's not that i'm saying you know spanish culture to me is more important to him that i have that say a cultural heritage which is spanish speaking and somehow that's influenced me too to say to up to up till now for sure to express myself and mostly in spanish through because the political environment sunset the economic environment going to depend on the political outcome but they have to stick to the gibraltar is flushing is it not. it is flourishing and there is i think a lot of activity on many fronts i mean the on the artistic the literary the musical there are many initiatives and i would say that there is a big drive to actually build on our heritage very calm much more consciously than
in the past i would say and is there anywhere else that you passionately would prefer to be walking not at all i think i think that to both or provide me with. a privileged vantage point from which to really. look at the world at large today you know i mean without necessarily restricting myself to dribble and one question i wanted to ask you have been let's see what i'd hear that's wonderful but. describe to us is the say that james joyce never actually came here i didn't even manage to capture of us were even visiting gibraltar. obviously a man of genius. no doubt but obviously very well informed because he i think he was receiving sort of regular correspondence from people living i think an aunt of his living here in the building but it's something which i have difficulty in believing that he never came here to well it was good enough for james joyce it should be good off for any of us and i did so much for the you know pleasure thank you very much thank you. i woke up today the rock of gibraltar of the strive for
you. as britain's i posted the point of the europe by. of the iberian peninsula to start me here i'm only twelve miles from the top of africa each of these factors had a substantial influence in making up the diverse communities of this fascinating territory one thing's for certain period identity has been forged in times of adversity that's going to stand them in good stead and the interesting times ahead join us next week we'll hear what the economy holds for the fascinating territory from all of us here at the alex salmond show for their spin off from the whole of the crew as could by. next week we voted overwhelmingly to remain in the e.u. and now we have to see what effect the hard drugs it could have in the gibraltar economy the reality is we haven't had a hard bragg's scenario it was still in the e.u. we're still functioning. as we were doing in twenty sixteen we're a small number diversified economy so we adapt the history of gibraltar speaks for
itself i mean it's been understood to protect the u.k. but the resilience of the people as well here i think it will take is an incredible entrepreneurial group and there's incredible group of entrepreneurial minds. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race in. spearing dramatic development that only. exists i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical. to sit.
in. the. british counter-terror police say two people have been exposed to the. russian agent and his daughter were poisoned we'll tell you about that this morning . coming up as the world cup knockout stage rough first round of quarterfinal match is set them for friday not far off we'll tell you what the fans and players are up to. twenty four hour period. second night of violent clashes erupting in the french city of not over the death of a young driver killed by police at a checkpoint. i
think of morning this first of the. moscow you're watching out international with me kevin no it first and this morning british counter-terror police say two people are in a critical condition is a hospital in southern england after being affected by the nerve agent novacek. this evening i received test results from poll that showed that the two people have been exposed to the nerve agent of the truck however i must say that we are not in a position to say whether the nerve agent was from the same batch the script was with supposed to the possibility that these two investigations might be linked is clearly a line of inquiry. that is important however the investigation is led by the evidence available so we don't make any assumptions or indulge in speculation well that came
in overnight now the couple it seems are local to soulsby pretty close to in a place called names thirteen kilometers away in the very close the city has a say the same city without form a double agent so i guess crippling his daughter was poisoned with what the u.k. government identified as a novacek agent back in march lisa sethi has got more on this this morning as a details still sketchy but here's what we know so far. it's been confirmed by the metropolitan police that the substance that caused a man and a woman to become critically ill and spray was nervy chalk now the path of both in the mid forty's charlie rally and dorm stages and they're in critical condition so speak district hospital now the two were taken ill on saturday just eight miles away from the site of the script attack way you can say a poisoned back in march now it fast it was thought that contaminated drugs was the cause and this is what they were treated for when they first entered the hospital and i want to. start. right. now. in the
news and has been for a while and then he came out. we had started acting funny but you. know it's very. start. and i'm. around it. so they were. they were. tough some time. next thing to say in. fact it's not going to take. place a it's not known whether the nerve agent was from the same batch as it was used against the script pulse so they're saying that they do not want to four months at this stage but any of the local police declared a major incident in the town of in spain which has several areas cordoned off at the moment but on this day the government has called for an american see cobra
meeting where intelligence and security officials will gather to give their updates on the case of these mortgages in the city was somewhat i'm rather by here we go again this is not a chart makes the headlines of course people are going to be scared stiff it's four months almost to the day since the whole script of the first to this day was still none the wiser about what happened there information is still totally scarce that's come back as far as the russian side is nothing. because novacek now again making headlines people are going to be scared in that area. very strange will during even there are so few details and no one not even the british press has any inkling will any serious theories as to how this could have happened the man and the woman one a registered drug addict heroin addict exposed presumably the british say to a new virtual nerve agent and there are so many questions here first of all the
british government had promised that they had decon decontaminated and cleaned everything up and soulsby that it was perfectly safe and that they had nicked it all clean and now suddenly you have these and the people there are terrified. out there and they're to be honest because straight. retracted say the first stories possible insoles pretend it was possible to upgrade it and have a third marriage sorry not a visit being kept in any information particularly. if the notion that it's i mean it is. a little bit worried now that we don't know what's going on because. we are but children tell me there are other parents who live around here and that was it being checked. and again the british government is urging people to remain calm saying everything's safe in the there's nothing to worry about again but you
can't blame people for raising some serious questions about what's actually going on there how is this cleanup progressed exerts rigs or right now let's talk about the victims as we know it so far across the whole thing about novacek it's a military grade. chemical weapon that should therefore it should be in theory extremely lethal extremely potent the script falls they pulled through for a reason whatever they were exposed to whatever sort of they were exposed to gave it to them looks like these guys are still alive this morning they're in a critical condition what do we know about them and we know they're in hospital but we know anything about them but they're apparently recovering fighting for their lives who believe they'll come back to consciousness and be able to tell the police exactly how they were exposed but i spent weeks traveling to laboratories speaking to chemists taking interviews and learning about the nuvi chalks which are actually a subgroup of about sixty different varieties of one of the most deadliest nerve
agents in the world and first of all the nerve of jokes decay most of them very quickly so if they're in a container they can survive for decades if they're out in the open air. and if it isn't a huge quantity then decays very quickly the wind the elements so you know would be surprising if this was the same presumably the british say the same batch that this crowd were exposed to but here is the second biggest question how did they survive this was one of the biggest questions with a script out this is a further question to us is exactly this is one of the deadliest nerve agents in the world and just to give you an idea one drop of a new truck nerve agent is enough to kill ten average size men. it's one thing we can have symptoms that we and fellows in minutes if it gets on
the skin symptoms and can take from minutes to hours. what snowed were these that no one's jumping to conclusions quite just yet the british government isn't making any allegations about russian involvement for now though you know that could potentially change in the future and what's clear is the shift in public opinion you look at social media and to be honest people are skeptical. of this now which are consoles bring makes me thing it's nothing to do with the russians but someone in souls bre most things are in your doorstep sample sent to or came from porton down the non-lethal lethal drug some remote news because the world cup two thousand and eighteen is just too much fun the thing that people want to know in addition to the identification of the particular poison or the agent is what is the motivation screwball at least had
a connection at least he was russian he was a double agent something was. connected even though it was weak who were these two people who were these what is to gain kui bono who benefits who who benefits from this. totally confusing this morning as more adversarial of the u.k. accused russia of being directly involved in the poisoning of the scriptures couple months ago but so far refused to share any evidence russia or a strenuous lee along the way denied any involvement in the incident.
government has concluded that it is highly likely that russia was responsible for the act against and use the script. no suggestion of business as usual in relation to our interaction with russia to speak of this action has happened against the backdrop of a well established pattern of russian state aggression. continue to be across that story talk about the football show with a knockout stage of the fee for world cup in russia still well underway that was just wrapped up but the world cup still well underway in anticipation for a building up of the court finally coming this weekend huge lot of games ahead well the first round is coming from friday's your advice at the face for belgium set